throwing cigarette butts out the car window

Minime2.5 · 26-01-2020 1:04pm

Vic_08 wrote: »

They don't put bins in cars either, does that make it okay to fling used fast food wrappers out the window? Why should smoker's be given a pass on littering?

Sadly we share our small island with a lot of disgusting pigs, hedges and ditches beside our roads are covered with stuff people have flung out of cars.

I've been having the same dilemma with my empty beer cans so I've been throwing them out the window too

Stateofyou · 26-01-2020 1:06pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

Chewing gum is cheaper. Let me know how you get on a month from now.

Switch to chewing gum so. Put a little piece of folded up paper in your pocket to stick it in when you're done. Let us know how you get on a month from now.

Guy:Incognito · 26-01-2020 1:10pm

adrian92 wrote: »

Yes, the filter is the environmental problem.

The problem could be solved easily if a ministerial order was made to the effect that cigarettes should have either no filter or a biodegradable filter

The problem would be solved easily if people stopped being scumbags.

Graces7 · 26-01-2020 1:11pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

I don't believe you. I don't believe you would sacrifice the convenience of a tumble-dryer, for example, just to lower your carbon footprint. I just don't buy this boyscout act I'm afraid.

I think you're just making stuff up as you go along. Want proof? Today you wrote: "Behave like a child, you get treated like a child." Last week you wrote: "Treat people like infants and they'll resent their employer and find ways around it." Verbatim.

So do you reduce your footprint or did you just make it up on the spot in response to what was a very good point? Could you do more to reduce your footprint? If so then why exactly are you calling me lazy and questioning my attitude. Maybe I'm not the one who needs a good look in the mirror. At least I know my stance on things.

Interesting. many of us, myself included, do not own a tumble dryer. I am as you so aptly put it " squeaky clean" according to your earlier list.. No washing machine, don't eat meat, no car, and never any food waste at all. Yes, peel goes to compost...Recycle everything.

But I expect YOU will find something to cavil at... Most of us do care very deeply and strive to live that care.

Throwing cigarette butts around is, like all littering, wrong and detrimental to our fragile ecology.
OK?

OK!

the beer revolu · 26-01-2020 1:15pm

Graces7 wrote: »

don't eat meat, !

In confused by this. You've stated before that you don't eat meat but you regularly post about meals involving meat.
Ham joint, sausages, chicken, turkey.

What's the story?
Do you eat meat or not?

Guy:Incognito · 26-01-2020 1:16pm

Grab All Association wrote: »

Coffee cups, Tayto bags and fast food packaging are the biggest litter problems along roads. I’d be more pissed off about this than a cigarette butt.

How about all scumbags just stop being scumbags, right from cigarette butts all the way up to large household items.

Guy:Incognito · 26-01-2020 1:17pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

Digging? I've been consistently making valid points throughout this entire fiasco.

Justifying scumbags littering isnt making valid points, regardless of what you tell yourself.

xzanti · 26-01-2020 1:24pm

Nothing more rank than someone accidentally walking a manky cigarette butt into your house on the sole of their shoe.

I can't stand smoking. I'd honestly rather the smell of dog**** in the air than smoke. I don't know what it is about it; it repulses me.

People standing in the door of a restaurant blowing smoke at you as you walk by is another massive bugbear of mine. Yuck.

Hammer89 · 26-01-2020 1:41pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Justifying scumbags littering isnt making valid points, regardless of what you tell yourself.

I have made valid points. I've made quite a few of them come to think of it. In fact I come across better than most of you lot in this thread. I'm not lying and saying I care about the environment or calling people scumbags or knackers. Some fella even questioned my upbringing.

As I said to the other lad, you boys are coming across as way bigger assholes than someone who flicks cigarettes away from time to time. That's the irony that none of you get

AndrewJRenko · 26-01-2020 1:53pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

Well then do what I suggested Andrew and we'll see how decent you are when you have to discard something very small between 10-15 times a day in public. Believe me, on some occasions you're not going to go out of your way to find a bin if there isn't one nearby. On some occasion you will litter it because it's the most convenient solution at that time. Do the experiment.

I don't do gum or smoke, but when I have litter, I find a bin. I had a paracetamol packet on Friday, so I waited till I found the bin at the Luas stop. I'm not a saint or an environmental hero. I just don't litter, like most decent people.

Grab All Association wrote: »

Jesus Christ it’s only cigarette butts. Along comes another car and squashes the butt flat on the road making it almost unnoticeable. Rain comes along and breaks down the cigarette butt.

Coffee cups, Tayto bags and fast food packaging are the biggest litter problems along roads. I’d be more pissed off about this than a cigarette butt.

Rain doesn't break down plastic. It takes 10-15 years to break down.

Check the link I posted earlier showing how cigarette butts are actually the biggest problem found in litter surveys.

Vic_08 · 26-01-2020 2:13pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

I have made valid points. I've made quite a few of them come to think of it. In fact I come across better than most of you lot in this thread. I'm not lying and saying I care about the environment or calling people scumbags or knackers. Some fella even questioned my upbringing.

As I said to the other lad, you boys are coming across as way bigger assholes than someone who flicks cigarettes away from time to time. That's the irony that none of you get

How original, respond to people pulling you up on your behaviour by throwing personal insults at them. Funny how that is exactly how scumbags respond no matter what nasty, unpleasant, anti-social or illegal behaviour they are being confronted about.

If YOU don't wan't to be labelled a scumbag then don't act like one.

B.A._Baracus · 26-01-2020 3:03pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How about all scumbags just stop being scumbags, right from cigarette butts all the way up to large household items.

The gas thing is that majority of people who litter aren't scumbags. I'd be willing to place large wager that the same sort moaning in this thread litter themselves.

Graces7 · 26-01-2020 3:07pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

The gas thing is that majority of people who litter aren't scumbags. I'd be willing to place large wager that the same sort moaning in this thread litter themselves.

I do not ever litter. Period.

And please define "scumbag"? Thank you

Littering is illegal and antisocial

Hammer89 · 26-01-2020 3:21pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I don't do gum or smoke, but when I have litter, I find a bin. I had a paracetamol packet on Friday, so I waited till I found the bin at the Luas stop. I'm not a saint or an environmental hero. I just don't litter, like most decent people..

Except you wouldn't find a bin if you had to discard the same thing 10 times a day and a bin wasn't available! You wouldn't buy an ashtray and bring it around with you. You wouldn't wrap the butt up in a little bit of tissue every single time you had a smoke and waited until you find a bin. You wouldn't keep it in your pocket. You've never been a smoker evidently so you can't see how unrealistic and how impractical these solutions are.

You would, like everybody else, throw it away from time to time if there wasn't a bin around. As the other fella said, 4.5 trillion cigarette butts are littered each year, but if you smoked then you reckon you'd be able to go a full year without contributing to that number? Nonsense.

But guess what, it's grand. Nobody cares. It doesn't make you any less of a husband or a brother or a father or a son. You can still be a very, very decent human being even if you flick smokes away from time to time. I know, mental, but it's completely true. That's what the people in here don't seem to realise.

They think they're incorruptible but they've never been smokers, so frankly they have no idea whether they would litter cigarette butts or not. How could they? What, just because you don't flytip or throw away empty bottles of Sprite it means you'd have the same morals on a cigarette butt? No it doesn't quite work like that. You're going to have to believe me that if you smoked, you would, from time to time, do what you're saying you'd never do. Show me a smoker who has never littered his or her cigarette ends and I'll show you Ireland's biggest liar.

This goes to all of you, all of you sanctimonious, holier-than-thou people who know everything about cigarette butts and yet nothing at the same time. You's all know how long it takes for them to decompose, and the effect they have on maritime creatures, but you've have never had one of them in your hand and having nowhere to put it except the ground. You don't know how they smell much worse than the smoke itself and trust me, if you were sharing an office with somebody who kept their cigarette butts in their pocket until finding a bin you'd wish they had thrown them away.

Get off your high horse, all of you. You're not superior beings. You're narrow-minded and dare I say far more ignorant than I am. What could be more ignorant than taking a firm stance on something while having no frame of reference beyond a National Geographic article? Astounding.

Stateofyou · 26-01-2020 3:30pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

Except you wouldn't find a bin if you had to discard the same thing 10 times a day and a bin wasn't available! You wouldn't buy an ashtray and bring it around with you. You wouldn't wrap the butt up in a little bit of tissue every single time you had a smoke and waited until you find a bin. You wouldn't keep it in your pocket. You've never been a smoker evidently so you can't see how unrealistic and how impractical these solutions are.

You would, like everybody else, throw it away from time to time if there wasn't a bin around. As the other fella said, 4.5 trillion cigarette butts are littered each year, but if you smoked then you reckon you'd be able to go a full year without contributing to that number? Nonsense.

But guess what, it's grand. Nobody cares. It doesn't make you any less of a husband or a brother or a father or a son. You can still be a very, very decent human being even if you flick smokes away from time to time. I know, mental, but it's completely true. That's what the people in here don't seem to realise.

They think they're incorruptible but they've never been smokers, so frankly they have no idea whether they would litter cigarette butts or not. How could they? What, just because you don't flytip or throw away empty bottles of Sprite it means you'd have the same morals on a cigarette butt? No it doesn't quite work like that. You're going to have to believe me that if you smoked, you would, from time to time, do what you're saying you'd never do. Show me a smoker who has never littered his or her cigarette ends and I'll show you Ireland's biggest liar.

This goes to all of you, all of you sanctimonious, holier-than-thou people who know everything about cigarette butts and yet nothing at the same time. You's all know how long it takes for them to decompose, and the effect they have on maritime creatures, but you've have never had one of them in your hand and having nowhere to put it except the ground. You don't know how they smell much worse than the smoke itself and trust me, if you were sharing an office with somebody who kept their cigarette butts in their pocket until finding a bin you'd wish they had thrown them away.

Get off your high horse, all of you. You're not superior beings. You're narrow-minded and dare I say far more ignorant than I am. What could be more ignorant than taking a firm stance on something while having no frame of reference beyond a National Geographic article? Astounding.

Take a nap, good god.

That's a lot of false assumptions.

When actually, it's YOU who wouldn't. Speak for yourself.

It's not grand, and a great many people (and animals) care you absolute ignoramus.

You can be a good person in other ways, but one can still admit where your faults are, which you are completely incapable of doing. And making positive changes where you can. That's lacking in your character, clearly.

You have somewhere to put cigarette butts, what is wrong with you? You can buy a pocket ashtray for a couple euro. There are a number of possible solutions but you're not interested in that. Just because you're not interested in solutions doesn't mean they don't exist.

What could be more ignorant than having a cheap solution at your fingertips and refusing to acknowledge it or do better.

B.A._Baracus · 26-01-2020 3:42pm

Graces7 wrote: »

I do not ever litter. Period.

And please define "scumbag"? Thank you

Littering is illegal and antisocial

Go way out of that. Every has littered at least once in their lifes.

Lying fake as**oles haven't tho. So which one are you?

Lewis_Benson · 26-01-2020 4:16pm

Kimbot wrote: »

Why?

Because its ****ing disgusting.

Hammer89 · 26-01-2020 4:17pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Take a nap, good god.

That's a lot of false assumptions.

When actually, it's YOU who wouldn't. Speak for yourself.

It's not grand, and a great many people (and animals) care you absolute ignoramus.

You can be a good person in other ways, but one can still admit where your faults are, which you are completely incapable of doing. And making positive changes where you can. That's lacking in your character, clearly.

You have somewhere to put cigarette butts, what is wrong with you? You can buy a pocket ashtray for a couple euro. There are a number of possible solutions but you're not interested in that. Just because you're not interested in solutions doesn't mean they don't exist.

What could be more ignorant than having a cheap solution at your fingertips and refusing to acknowledge it or do better.

No they're realistic and practical assumptions because I'm a smoker, and you're not, so let me decide what's true and false.

This is the most bizarre conversation I've ever had. Basically, you read an article from National Geographic and formed your entire opinion around it without having any experience on the actual subject. Let's pretend you read an article about war. Imagine how unfathomably stupid it would be to then think you're qualified to talk about war to a soldier of one. That's what it's like. 'OMFG are you actually comparing a soldier to a smoker.....?' This is what you were going to say, right? Of course it is because you continuously miss the point so why stop now.

McHardcore · 26-01-2020 4:17pm

I dont get it. People done seem to think cigarette buts are litter like normal litter for some reason. If anything its more disgusting. Its nearly as bad as chewing gum.

Graces7 · 26-01-2020 4:32pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Go way out of that. Every has littered at least once in their lifes.

Lying fake as**oles haven't tho. So which one are you?

I have never littered. Nor used such language.

Your problem is that you think everyone is like you? We were trained and taught , " Take your rubbish home with you" and to respect the countryside and not litter the streets.

Those were good habits for life.

AndrewJRenko · 26-01-2020 4:54pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

Except you wouldn't find a bin if you had to discard the same thing 10 times a day and a bin wasn't available! You wouldn't buy an ashtray and bring it around with you. You wouldn't wrap the butt up in a little bit of tissue every single time you had a smoke and waited until you find a bin. You wouldn't keep it in your pocket. You've never been a smoker evidently so you can't see how unrealistic and how impractical these solutions are.

Except I would. Don't judge everyone by your low standards.

What exactly is impractical about carrying a portable ashtray?

B.A._Baracus · 26-01-2020 6:03pm

Graces7 wrote: »

I have never littered. Nor used such language.

Your problem is that you think everyone is like you? We were trained and taught , " Take your rubbish home with you" and to respect the countryside and not litter the streets.

Those were good habits for life.

So not even once?
You are a liar

IAMAMORON · 26-01-2020 6:07pm

Has the moral high ground been realised yet?

Tordelback · 26-01-2020 6:10pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

So not even once?
You are a liar

Can't speak to the language thing, but i've never knowingly littered, not once in my life, so I don't see why Graces7 has to be lying. It's not actually that hard not to drop your crap everywhere.

Stateofyou · 26-01-2020 6:35pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

No they're realistic and practical assumptions because I'm a smoker, and you're not, so let me decide what's true and false.

This is the most bizarre conversation I've ever had. Basically, you read an article from National Geographic and formed your entire opinion around it without having any experience on the actual subject. Let's pretend you read an article about war. Imagine how unfathomably stupid it would be to then think you're qualified to talk about war to a soldier of one. That's what it's like. 'OMFG are you actually comparing a soldier to a smoker.....?' This is what you were going to say, right? Of course it is because you continuously miss the point so why stop now.

You don't decide what's true and false for anyone else, pal. Jesus... you're aggressive, calm down. I have a biology degree, and a lesser award in Environmental Economics so you can actually shove it up your assuming hole with all the rest of your absurd assumptions. Better yet, collect all your litter and plug it with that. You should stop, while you're behind. Seriously doubt this is the most bizarre conversation you've ever had. :pac:

beejee · 26-01-2020 6:57pm

Saw an argument happening between two drivers, side by side in traffic. Just as they moved off your man flicked a lit cigarette in the window of the other car.

I laughed

Hammer89 · 26-01-2020 7:31pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

You don't decide what's true and false for anyone else, pal. Jesus... you're aggressive, calm down. I have a biology degree, and a lesser award in Environmental Economics so you can actually shove it up your assuming hole with all the rest of your absurd assumptions. Better yet, collect all your litter and plug it with that. You should stop, while you're behind. Seriously doubt this is the most bizarre conversation you've ever had. :pac:

You do realise that by telling me to calm down you're actually saying 'I'm very angry' right? And you are angry. Incidentally, using that pacman emoji is another sign I think. It's quite a passive way of pretending you have the upper hand in a discussion because you're not intelligent or articulate enough to achieve it through words, so you turn to emojis as a red herring.

Stateofyou · 26-01-2020 7:43pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

You do realise that by telling me to calm down you're actually saying 'I'm very angry' right? And you are angry. Incidentally, using that pacman emoji is another sign I think. It's quite a passive way of pretending you have the upper hand in a discussion because you're not intelligent or articulate enough to achieve it through words, so you turn to emojis as a red herring.

There you go assuming again. You know what they say about people who assume right?

Loving the armchair psychology! You're a sad case, man. A better use of your time would be to order a pocket ashtray for yourself. Have you done that yet?

Hammer89 · 26-01-2020 7:58pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

So not even once?
You are a liar

This entire thread is full of liars. The only honest ones are the smokers.

Ted_YNWA · 26-01-2020 8:44pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

You don't decide what's true and false for anyone else, pal. Jesus... you're aggressive, calm down. I have a biology degree, and a lesser award in Environmental Economics so you can actually shove it up your assuming hole with all the rest of your absurd assumptions. Better yet, collect all your litter and plug it with that. You should stop, while you're behind. Seriously doubt this is the most bizarre conversation you've ever had. :pac:

Hammer89 wrote: »

You do realise that by telling me to calm down you're actually saying 'I'm very angry' right? And you are angry. Incidentally, using that pacman emoji is another sign I think. It's quite a passive way of pretending you have the upper hand in a discussion because you're not intelligent or articulate enough to achieve it through words, so you turn to emojis as a red herring.

Stateofyou wrote: »

There you go assuming again. You know what they say about people who assume right?

Loving the armchair psychology! You're a sad case, man. A better use of your time would be to order a pocket ashtray for yourself. Have you done that yet?

Hammer89 wrote: »

This entire thread is full of liars. The only honest ones are the smokers.

Mod

Can both of you debate without winding each other up.

AndrewJRenko · 26-01-2020 9:13pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

This entire thread is full of liars. The only honest ones are the smokers.

Being honest about your own anti-social behaviour isn't a great virtue to be shouting about.

Hammer89 · 26-01-2020 11:21pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Being honest about your own anti-social behaviour isn't a great virtue to be shouting about.

It's better than lying and saying you wouldn't engage in the same 'anti-social behaviour' if you were a smoker.

If 4.5 trillion cigarette butts are littered each year then billions of people are complicit in it. Those numbers should be staggering enough to make you ask yourself why you'd be any different. Do you have stronger principles than billions of others or are you merely untested because you don't smoke?

Stateofyou · 27-01-2020 12:01am

Hammer89 wrote: »

It's better than lying and saying you wouldn't engage in the same 'anti-social behaviour' if you were a smoker.

If 4.5 trillion cigarette butts are littered each year then billions of people are complicit in it. Those numbers should be staggering enough to make you ask yourself why you'd be any different. Do you have stronger principles than billions of others or are you merely untested because you don't smoke?

Again, just because you've decided others are lying doesn't make it fact.

Billions of people are an exaggeration, best estimates are within in the 1 billion range. If you have smoked 20 cigarettes a day for the past 30 years, you would have littered 219,000 toxic butts on the ground in that time. Throwing something on the ground 219,000 times without ever doing something better about it is shocking.

That number should be staggering enough to ask yourself why you can't do anything different. Estimates are that about 75% of all smokers litter their butts, making it the most littered item on earth. So first of all, 25% of people who smoke wouldn't actually litter them. 25% of smokers have stronger principles than you. If 25% can manage to dispose of them properly, so can you, and so should all the others. Why does the fact that you're in the worst company of people who litter to such a disgusting degree make you feel justified in doing it?

Hammer89 · 27-01-2020 12:15am

Stateofyou wrote: »

If you have smoked 20 cigarettes a day for the past 30 years, you would have littered 219,000 toxic butts on the ground in that time. Throwing something on the ground 219,000 times without ever doing something better about it is shocking.

Great you can use a calculator. Now use your brain and work our the fundamental problem with this stupid post. If you can't see it then you're genuinely not fit to discuss this any further I'm afraid.

Stateofyou · 27-01-2020 12:21am

Hammer89 wrote: »

Great you can use a calculator. Now use your brain and work our the fundamental problem with this stupid post. If you can't see it then you're genuinely not fit to discuss this any further I'm afraid.

It gets worse for you, I'm afraid. Of the estimated 75% of smokers who litter their butts, they are estimated to do so 65% of the time. That means of the 75% of smokers who litter, they still manage to not litter them 35% of the time.

I personally liked the miniature coffin pocket ashtray available for sale another poster suggested; just seems to go best with the general theme.

Hammer89 · 27-01-2020 12:33am

He still can't see the glaring error he's made so this is just deflection. "I know. If I bombard him with stats and percentages maybe he'll change the subject" lol. Can anybody else spot it?

Sephiroth_dude · 27-01-2020 12:42am

Mod

Hammar and Stateofyou ye were both warned to stop bickering, stop it now or I'll have to card both of ye, final warning!

kowloon · 27-01-2020 12:47am

loveisdivine wrote: »

It's also extremely toxic to wildlife.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbgM4zvbrU4

It's also great fun having them flicked back into your face while on a bike.

lawred2 · 27-01-2020 12:53am

Hammer89 wrote: »

He still can't see the glaring error he's made so this is just deflection. "I know. If I bombard him with stats and percentages maybe he'll change the subject" lol. Can anybody else spot it?

I'd be obliged if you detailed the glaring error please!

Hammer89 · 27-01-2020 1:11am

lawred2 wrote: »

I'd be obliged if you detailed the glaring error please!

I'm not telling him. You can tell him. Read this and tell him what he's overlooked: "If you have smoked 20 cigarettes a day for the past 30 years, you would have littered 219,000 toxic butts on the ground in that time." I think a lot of smokers would spot it very quickly, which reinforces what I said earlier - reading a National Geographic article is not a substitute for actual experience.

27-01-2020 1:21am

I smoked for approx 20 years, but stopped about 12 years ago.
When I smoked, I didn't in the car, & I hope I always disposed of my buts correctly, but yea, there were definitely times I threw a butt on the street.

Now, I have a very good plan to stop the dumping of buts on the street, where do i go ? Do I need to patent it? How do i do that?

patob · 27-01-2020 1:22am

Just report offence to local authority littering offence phone number, with vehicle reg number, location, time.

Chinasea · 27-01-2020 9:43am

patob wrote: »

Just report offence to local authority littering offence phone number, with vehicle reg number, location, time.

Haha. Walk past almost any pub and the ground outside and shores are littered with cigarette butts. Litter wardens oblivious, not on radar, couldn't be bothered.

Pub owners should regularly sweep up , but go unchecked and couldn't be bothered.

lawred2 · 27-01-2020 10:09am

Chinasea wrote: »

Haha. Walk past almost any pub and the ground outside and shores are littered with cigarette butts. Litter wardens oblivious, not on radar, couldn't be bothered.

Pub owners should regularly sweep up , but go unchecked and couldn't be bothered.

Urban myth

Chinasea · 27-01-2020 11:52am

What is an Urban myth. Do you mean litter wardens. They are definitely a myth and a farce.

AndrewJRenko · 27-01-2020 6:07pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

It's better than lying and saying you wouldn't engage in the same 'anti-social behaviour' if you were a smoker.

If 4.5 trillion cigarette butts are littered each year then billions of people are complicit in it. Those numbers should be staggering enough to make you ask yourself why you'd be any different. Do you have stronger principles than billions of others or are you merely untested because you don't smoke?

Why would I be different? Because I don't litter.

The better question is why you'd be different from most decent people?

Chinasea wrote: »

Haha. Walk past almost any pub and the ground outside and shores are littered with cigarette butts. Litter wardens oblivious, not on radar, couldn't be bothered.

Pub owners should regularly sweep up , but go unchecked and couldn't be bothered.

I've reported businesses who have their staff smoking outside dropping butts and pubs too. The litter warden has acted on those cases successfully.

seagull · 27-01-2020 6:17pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

Digging? I've been consistently making valid points throughout this entire fiasco.

You've been consistently talking through your arse.

Hammer89 · 27-01-2020 8:50pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why would I be different? Because I don't litter.

You also don't smoke Andrew. Your moral compass is only tested in familiar territory, but it's obviously untested in situations and circumstances that you have no experience in.

Would you walk in the pissing rain to find a bin for a cigarette butt? You don't know. You don't know whether in that moment you'd sacrifice your stance on littering for the convenience of flicking away your smoke end.

You'll probably say that you'd use your portable ashtray, but you wouldn't because you wouldn't have one unless you were previously in a position where you needed one, where you had to illegally discard a cigarette first, at which point your morals have flown out the window like, ironically, your man's cigarette butt and it's easier to just keep doing it. You wouldn't have one before the fact, much like how a dog owner doesn't go out and buy a muzzle before knowing their madra is capable of biting someone.

Jim Gazebo · 27-01-2020 9:51pm

Was driving home today and driver in front threw lit butt onto roof of car which then went onto my windscreen. Was behind them almost all the way home and they were chronic slow, I was getting p1ssed towards the end because I realised why he was slow, because he was smoking cigarette after cigarette. Not a road to overtake either. Seriously contemplated using the dash cam footage to report but it's too much hassle.

TuringBot47 · 27-01-2020 10:08pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

Your moral compass is only tested in familiar territory,

While your moral compass has been tested... It needs recalibrating.

throwing cigarette butts out the car window

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