Garda shoots dog in Longford

ohnonotgmail · 05-12-2018 11:52am

baldbear wrote: »

There is no dog! Thats the thing.

there is evidence to suggest there was a dog and the video edited to remove it.

Get Real · 05-12-2018 11:52am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I can't link it but the Independent online is carrying an article that armed Garda are protecting the home of the guard involved in the shooting of Stokes and his dag. This was after the Garda received online threats. I think our traveller friends may regret stepping over the line going after a guard. Then again not to many of them arevMensa candidates.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/armed-officers-protect-gardas-house-over-threats-after-man-shot-in-leg-37596535.html

That's the one

tuxy · 05-12-2018 11:53am

baldbear wrote: »

There is no dog! Thats the thing.

So again when the garda is aiming low and saying "I'll but a bullet in it's head" he is talking about what? A dwarf?
The video has been edited to not show a dog yet everyone in the video is acting like there is a dog there.
Is the traveller holding back and trying to control a dwarf also?

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2018 11:54am

baldbear wrote:

There is no dog! Thats the thing.

I suggest you look at the video posted online. The traveller was holding something in his right hand out of camera shot, it then grabs the guard's tie. The guard tells Stokes to get it to let go or he'll shoot it in the head.

facehugger99 · 05-12-2018 11:55am

jjmcclure wrote: »

Pity he didn't let rip with a sub machine gun. Save a fortune in fraudulent welfare claims.

So, basically you're advocating genocide?

ohnonotgmail · 05-12-2018 11:56am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I suggest you look at the video posted online. The traveller was holding something in his right hand out of camera shot, it then grabs the guard's tie. The guard tells Stokes to get it to let go or he'll shoot it in the head.

He also says "watch him watch him" to something. These are commands typically given to a dog.

ohnonotgmail · 05-12-2018 11:56am

facehugger99 wrote: »

So, basically you're advocating genocide?

No that would be mass murder not genocide.

josip · 05-12-2018 11:58am

tuxy wrote: »

Toby is the dog.

Toby is was the dog

05-12-2018 11:58am

baldbear wrote: »

There is no dog! Thats the thing.

Yep. It’s gone missing. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/gsoc-probes-longford-shooting-incident-13685981

yew_tree · 05-12-2018 11:59am

No Officer armed or otherwise should have to deal with scum alone. Imagine the result in the same situation in the US....the amount of time and resources these thugs take up is unreal and none of them pay tax...ethnic status indeed.

Captain Obvious · 05-12-2018 12:00pm

baldbear wrote: »

There is no dog! Thats the thing.

Who are you hoping to convince? Anyone who has watched and listened to the posted video can tell there was very likely a dog there. If there wasn't then why did he shoot the man in the leg and not the chest as he is trained? What was the man holding in his right hand at the start of the video if not a dog's collar? Why was he saying "watch out watch out"? Why did the Garda say "tell him to let go of me"? Why did he shoot downwards? Why have witnesses backed up the account of the dog? Why have witnesses said a dog was shot?

Even if you are right and it wasn't a dog that had hold of the Garda's tie then it was the man who had hold of the Gardas tie and pull him to the ground and the Garda did what he had to do to prevent that with minimal injury to his attacker.

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2018 12:01pm

yew_tree wrote:

No Officer armed or otherwise should have to deal with scum alone. Imagine the result in the same situation in the US....the amount of time and resources these thugs take up is unreal and none of them pay tax...ethnic status indeed.

In the US I can tell you it wouldn't be the dog that would have got the bullet and it wouldn't be just one bullet.

_Brian · 05-12-2018 12:01pm

Between the ever vocal anti Garda crowd and the ever downtrodden traveller representatives, this detective is on for a scalding no matter what now.

I think he acted right, and if there was a dog and slash hook as being reported then I support him even further.

tuxy · 05-12-2018 12:01pm

Guy about the no barking on video. Can't attack dogs be trained to only bark on command?
The ARU was needed for the same family as they own many trained attack dogs. If you spend enough time training a dog I'm sure you can prevent it from barking while still doing it's job of attacking.

ohnonotgmail · 05-12-2018 12:02pm

tuxy wrote: »

Guy about the no barking on video. Can't attack dogs be trained to only bark on command?
The ARU was needed for the same family as they own many trained attack dogs. If you spend enough time training a dog I'm sure you can prevent it from barking will still doing it's job of attacking.

TBH you probably wouldn't hear it anyway over the screeching of yer wan.

Gravelly · 05-12-2018 12:05pm

tuxy wrote: »

Guy about the no barking on video. Can't attack dogs be trained to only bark on command?
The ARU was needed for the same family as they own many trained attack dogs. If you spend enough time training a dog I'm sure you can prevent it from barking while still doing it's job of attacking.

I believe some criminals in the UK are known to cut the vocal cords of dogs protecting their homes so that an intruder won't hear the dog until it's too late.
Not necessarily saying this is the case here, but it's a possibility I suppose.

Feisar · 05-12-2018 12:07pm

But what would John Connors do?

yew_tree · 05-12-2018 12:07pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

In the US I can tell you it wouldn't be the dog that would have got the bullet and it wouldn't be just one bullet.

Exactly...lay your hands on a US cop and your committing suicide. I think recent scandals have Garda support at its lowest ever but I think most will support them in what they have to deal with in situations like this.

The problem I see here in rural Ireland is an overkill in checkpoints catching people who may be over the limit in the morning, coming from mass, weddings, football games etc....meanwhile when there are boy racers, fights in town and actual burglaries the cops aren’t around or so quick to act.

tuxy · 05-12-2018 12:08pm

Gravelly wrote: »

I believe some criminals in the UK are known to cut the vocal cords of dogs protecting their homes so that an intruder won't hear the dog until it's too late.
Not necessarily saying this is the case here, but it's a possibility I suppose.

Debarking, never head of it before and now wish I didn't know about as I do have a soft spot for dogs.
Probably not the case here though as I said it's not too difficult to prevent barking with the right training.

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2018 12:10pm

Feisar wrote:

But what would John Connors do?

Call the guard racist because the dag was German?

archer22 · 05-12-2018 12:16pm

tuxy wrote: »

Debarking, never head of it before and now wish I didn't know about as I do have a soft spot for dogs.
Probably not the case here though as I said it's not too difficult to prevent barking with the right training.

Would be some trainer who could train a Dog not to bark when he gets shot :rolleyes:

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2018 12:17pm

archer22 wrote:

Would be some trainer who could train a Dog not to bark when he gets shot

Bullet in the head can seriously hamper the ability to bark.

XsApollo · 05-12-2018 12:17pm

We need more of this.
Only people that worry about this type of reaction are people that deserve this type of reaction.

aaakev · 05-12-2018 12:18pm

_Brian wrote: »

Between the ever vocal anti Garda crowd and the ever downtrodden traveller representatives, this detective is on for a scalding no matter what now.

I think he acted right, and if there was a dog and slash hook as being reported then I support him even further.

The lad who got shot is lucky to be alive, what the hell did he expect to happen attacking an armed garda who was telling him to back off??!!

archer22 · 05-12-2018 12:19pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Bullet in the head can seriously hamper the ability to bark.

Ability to run as well...and there is no dead Dog in front of the shooter in that video.

billie1b · 05-12-2018 12:20pm

BBFAN wrote: »

He's on his own. Have you ever called the Gardaí in your life? Not a chance an armed detective would arrive if you called and said you were being assaulted.

Not a chance in hell. It has been said that rumour has it he was a friend of the person who owns the fan which seems a much more likely story wouldn't you agree?

Btw, I might add I have direct experience of ringing the Gardaí whilst being assaulted and NO-ONE arrived. You know why? Because they didn't have a car with 2 Gardaí in it available.

My house was broken into before and a lone detective armed with his gun arrived to take statements etc etc, it does happen, also from 7am to 7pm Garda are allowed perform their duties by themselves, as in one person in the car to respond to calls, from 7pm to 7am it has to be at least two Gardai together. Seen as this incident happened around 5pm it was seen as perfectly normal for one detective to respond to it by himself.

baldbear · 05-12-2018 12:21pm

tuxy wrote: »

So again when the garda is aiming low and saying "I'll but a bullet in it's head" he is talking about what? A dwarf?
The video has been edited to not show a dog yet everyone in the video is acting like there is a dog there.
Is the traveller holding back and trying to control a dwarf also?

Yes Exactly he is called the dwarf slash hook Stokes. He is well known.

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2018 12:21pm

archer22 wrote:

Ability to run as well...and there is no dead Dog in front of the shooter in that video.

Do you think it's possible that somebody may have removed the dag? Also the video never goes below waist height so what's on the ground is not visible, as mentioned multiple times on this thread plus don't be forgetting the obvious editing of same.

Liam McPoyle · 05-12-2018 12:22pm

Feisar wrote: »

But what would John Connors do?

Think of the childers?

archer22 · 05-12-2018 12:24pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Do you think it's possible that somebody may have removed the dag? Also the video never goes below waist height so what's on the ground is not visible, as mentioned multiple times on this thread plus don't be forgetting the obvious editing of same.

The video does go below waist height immediately after the shot when camera operator apparently steps back

Gravelly · 05-12-2018 12:24pm

Feisar wrote: »

But what would John Connors do?

Put in another terrible acting performance that gets praised as the next Marlon Brando by all the D4 luvvies?

tuxy · 05-12-2018 12:25pm

Business Cat wrote: »

Think of the childers?

The pregnant woman was really thinking of the childer when she got involved in trying to steal the van.

seamus · 05-12-2018 12:26pm

archer22 wrote: »

Ability to run as well...and there is no dead Dog in front of the shooter in that video.

If the dog got shot in the head, the bullet wouldn't have made it to the guy's foot. He most likely caught the dog in neck or upper body.

In any case, a head shot isn't always instantly fatal, no reason why the dog wouldn't have bolted. If it ran 5 metres in any direction and collapsed, it would be out of camera shot.

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2018 12:26pm

archer22 wrote:

The video does go below waist height immediately after the shot when camera operator apparently steps back

You need to look again the video goes to her injured husband's foot where he's gone from being on her left to her left. No footage of the group near the van where the dog was .

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2018 12:28pm

seamus wrote:

If the dog got shot in the head, the bullet wouldn't have made it to the guy's foot. He most likely caught the dog in neck or upper body.

A 9 mm fired from close up can exist a skull, it depends on where the bullet enters and skull thickness.

Gravelly · 05-12-2018 12:28pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You need to look again the video goes to her injured husband's foot where he's gone from being on her left to her left. No footage of the group near the van where the dog was .

Presumably when the husband sues for his foot injury, he'll have been the next Usain Bolt who's guaranteed gold in the Olympics was cruelly snatched from him by the actions of the Garda.

archer22 · 05-12-2018 12:31pm

I don't know folks its impossible to know what exactly happened...GSOC are the only people who can now unravel the mystery of it all.

tuxy · 05-12-2018 12:35pm

archer22 wrote: »

I don't know folks its impossible to know what exactly happened...GSOC are the only people who can now unravel the mystery of it all.

True there are bits missing and I hope the truth whatever it may be comes to light after a full investigation.

But do you think the Garda is talking to a dwarf or a dog when he aims low and say "I'm put a bullet in it's head, get him to let go of me"

Also is it a dwarf or dog the traveller is holding back earlier in the video?

ohnonotgmail · 05-12-2018 12:35pm

archer22 wrote: »

I don't know folks its impossible to know what exactly happened...GSOC are the only people who can now unravel the mystery of it all.

nobody here can say exactly what happened. But there is enough evidence in what we can see to suggest there was a dog present. If there was no dog present then parts of the video make no sense.

Raheem Euro · 05-12-2018 12:36pm

Gravelly wrote: »

Presumably when the husband sues for his foot injury, he'll have been the next Usain Bolt who's guaranteed gold in the Olympics was cruelly snatched from him by the actions of the Garda.

He won't be able to successfully sue for injuries he received in the course of a robbery. Liability is all on his side. If he had any legally held assets or income he would have ended up paying for the truck owner's and garda's PTS.

RustyNut · 05-12-2018 12:36pm

seamus wrote: »

If the dog got shot in the head, the bullet wouldn't have made it to the guy's foot. He most likely caught the dog in neck or upper body.

Really? What is the standard ammunition issued to detectives? Hollow point, soft point .......?

aaakev · 05-12-2018 12:36pm

seamus wrote: »

If the dog got shot in the head, the bullet wouldn't have made it to the guy's foot. He most likely caught the dog in neck or upper body.

From that range the bullet may not expand enough to slow down so could very well exit the other side and hit his leg.

You could well be right on the neck though, id say the dog bolted straight away after being shot and was out of the camera shot by the time
The screaming camera woman stepped back

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2018 12:38pm

RustyNut wrote:

Really? What is the standard ammunition issued to detectives? Hollow point, soft point .......?

Standard 9 mm parabellum, in the Sig or Whalter.

tuxy · 05-12-2018 12:38pm

RustyNut wrote: »

Really? What is the standard ammunition issued to detectives? Hollow point, soft point .......?

FMJ for 9mm sig if this article is correct

https://www.thejournal.ie/ammunition-garda-tender-4144315-Jul2018/

seamus · 05-12-2018 12:49pm

I remember seeing an episode of Cops years ago where they attended the scene after a drive-by shooting. One guy had been shot, but he was walking around not a bother on him, massive fat bastard. The cops asked where he'd been shot and if he was hurt. He pointed to a small hole in his substantial thigh and said, "Naw man, it was only a 9mm, barely even stings".

So that's my knowledge of guns in a nutshell. I assumed 9mm wouldn't have the energy to go in and out of a skull, happy to be corrected.

ohnonotgmail · 05-12-2018 12:50pm

seamus wrote: »

I remember seeing an episode of Cops years ago where they attended the scene after a drive-by shooting. One guy had been shot, but he was walking around not a bother on him, massive fat bastard. The cops asked where he'd been shot and if he was hurt. He pointed to a small hole in his substantial thigh and said, "Naw man, it was only a 9mm, barely even stings".

So that's my knowledge of guns in a nutshell. I assumed 9mm wouldn't have the energy to go in and out of a skull, happy to be corrected.

Oddly enough i actually remember that episode but i remember it as a .22 which would make more sense.

Edgware · 05-12-2018 12:51pm

Gravelly wrote: »

What's with slash hooks? They seem to be able to whip them out at any opportunity. Whoever imports them must be making a killing.

Same as Belfast. Big demand for baseball bats but they never actually buy a baseball

tuxy · 05-12-2018 12:54pm

seamus wrote: »

So that's my knowledge of guns in a nutshell. I assumed 9mm wouldn't have the energy to go in and out of a skull, happy to be corrected.

Depends on so many factors and this was almost point blank range not a drive by! There is a good change it with right through flesh though and didn't hit bone.
9mm is kind of a medium/low power round, how close you are to the target and where it hits makes a big difference.

FTA69 · 05-12-2018 12:55pm

seamus wrote: »

I remember seeing an episode of Cops years ago where they attended the scene after a drive-by shooting. One guy had been shot, but he was walking around not a bother on him, massive fat bastard. The cops asked where he'd been shot and if he was hurt. He pointed to a small hole in his substantial thigh and said, "Naw man, it was only a 9mm, barely even stings".

So that's my knowledge of guns in a nutshell. I assumed 9mm wouldn't have the energy to go in and out of a skull, happy to be corrected.

Lad a 9mm bullet would do terrible things to a human body. It’s far from a cap-gun calibre.

josip · 05-12-2018 12:57pm

OT but why is some ammunition/guns referred to in metric and some in imperial?

Garda shoots dog in Longford

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