Waterford Politics MEGATHREAD

Cabaal · 22-05-2013 3:05pm

Am Chile wrote: »

I dont think this anti abortion group are doing themselves any favours abusing and trying to intimidate a public rep out in tramore on a busy afternoon with children and families around.

Anti-abortion crowds don't care,
To them its fair game to protest even outside schools and show their posters to very young kids,

They care all about the zygote but they couldn;t give a monkey's about the baby once its born, once it grows up and the life and well being of it if its a pregnant women.

I've not seen protesters anytime I've been around Waterford or Kilkenny yet but I will be wasting their time when I do,

CuriousG · 22-05-2013 4:41pm

Who cares???

Everyone has their right to have an opinion and campaign for that opinion, including all of you.

If it was something you were passionate about and someone gave out about it, you'd never hear the end of it.

Opinions for all, except when it doesn't suit people...

If you don't like them, ignore them. It's really that simple.

Cabaal · 22-05-2013 5:00pm

CuriousG wrote: »

Who cares???

Everyone has their right to have an opinion and campaign for that opinion, including all of you.

If it was something you were passionate about and someone gave out about it, you'd never hear the end of it.

Opinions for all, except when it doesn't suit people...

If you don't like them, ignore them. It's really that simple.

Normally I'd agree but there's a difference big between protesting and protesting by imitating people and spreading fear and lies.

People should be under no illusions when it comes to the so called pro life crowd, they are very well funded from the USA and they take no prisoners to get what they want.

CuriousG · 22-05-2013 5:04pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Normally I'd agree but there's a difference big between protesting and protesting by imitating people and spreading fear and lies.

People should be under no illusions when it comes to the so called pro life crowd, they are very well funded from the USA and they take no prisoners to get what they want.

There are plenty of other organisations that act like that. They are funded from the US - And??? You would think it's a paramilitary we're talking about. 'Take no prisoners' They are a group of mostly older people with a passionate opinion, much like most people these days. There are people in this thread that have posted about THEIR political events etc and that was allowed, but just because it's something that isn't agreed with, it must be bad. Everyone should have their say.

Not saying it's right, but as I said, if you don't like it, have nothing to do with it.

If you are for abortion, fine. That's your right. It's theirs to be against it.

They are usually two or three elderly people on the street, they hardly intimidate anyone. That's just dramatic. The definition of 'intimidating' these days is looking at someone the wrong way. Not actual intimidation.

'Normally I'd agree, but....' Is just another way of saying you want everyone to have a fair say, unless you disagree.

mozattack · 22-05-2013 5:06pm

Anti abortion is the only way for a Catholic country where no-one has sex before marriage, no-one uses contraception and priests are lovely people who never did any harm to anyone.

Oh wait a minute.

Cabaal · 22-05-2013 5:16pm

CuriousG wrote: »

If you are for abortion, fine. That's your right. It's theirs to be against it.

True,
The problem with the pro-life crowd though is its applying a religious view onto none religious people.

It cannot be compared to politics because unlike a political party/government religion changes with the speed of an iceage and you can't vote out the pope

CuriousG · 22-05-2013 5:28pm

Cabaal wrote: »

True,
The problem with the pro-life crowd though is its applying a religious view onto none religious people.

It cannot be compared to politics because unlike a political party/government religion changes with the speed of an iceage and you can't vote out the pope

A good few of them are not religious in any way, can confirm that from experience.

I am not Catholic and while I am not part of them/any organisation and have no plans to be, my opinions are from myself, I am against abortion on a personal level.

Just because some people aren't religious doesn't mean the ones who are have to forfeit their right.

This is meant to be a fair country, but just because people have a stigma (understandably) with the church, it is used to silence people who are entitled to their say aswell.

Not The Real Scarecrow · 22-05-2013 5:39pm

CuriousG wrote: »

A good few of them are not religious in any way, can confirm that from experience.

I am not Catholic and while I am not part of them/any organisation and have no plans to be, my opinions are from myself, I am against abortion on a personal level.

Just because some people aren't religious doesn't mean the ones who are have to forfeit their right.

This is meant to be a fair country, but just because people have a stigma (understandably) with the church, it is used to silence people who are entitled to their say aswell.

If its fair then it should allow people to decide whats right for themselves with out the government or some one who doesn't agree with it dictating what some one should do to their own body. The main problem with the protesters is their inability to understand that just because they beliee something is right, it doesn't give them the power to force other people to adhere to their belief systems. If the abortion debate was about mandatory abortions I could see why they should get so aggressive about it,but as it is they attack people that want it legal for people to choose what they want for themselves. Their tactics in protesting are shocking at the best of times. I've seen far worse stuff at protests abroad than what I've seen in Ireland and they can be unbelievably aggressive to the point I can't believ they can even call them selves christian. I always though Christianity was about tolerence.
I just fail to understand why people get so wound up about what other people do in their own lives. If the protesters are so concerned about other peoples bodies wouldn't they be better off spending their time fund raising for impoverished expectant mothers or tryng to make the world a better place for unborn children so that the unwanted may be wanted.
I'm all on for tolerence but when peole like this show they have no respect for other peoples opinions and fail to even listen to ounter arguements, its time to call them out for what they really are and put them in their rightful place.

Am Chile · 22-05-2013 5:42pm

CuriousG wrote: »

Who cares???

Everyone has their right to have an opinion and campaign for that opinion, including all of you.

If it was something you were passionate about and someone gave out about it, you'd never hear the end of it.

Opinions for all, except when it doesn't suit people...

If you don't like them, ignore them. It's really that simple.

I agree people are entitled to have opinions and campaign on issues-but I think there is a fine line between campaigning and harassing people as they try to go about their business out in the street like the harassment john halligan faced from the pro life campaigners in tramore this past sunday-and the putting leaflets through his letterbox past 12 in the night- what do they hope to gain from it? they know john has his political position on the abortion issue and they still decide to put leaflets through his letterbox-from reading articles online even some fine gael tds are being targeted by pro life campaigners-anti abortion posters targetting fine gael tds being put up in the middle of the night-again what are they hoping to gain from it?

Fine Gael party chairman Charlie Flanagan has compared extremist anti-abortion campaigners to the Ku Klux Klan.

Mr Flanagan was responding to Fine Gael TDs being personally targeted by anti- abortion campaigners who are putting up posters outside their homes, offices and even local churches.
The posters usually have a picture of the TD, the Fine Gael logo and a picture of a foetus in its mother's womb but no identifying marks to say who produced the poster.

Mr Flanagan hit back at the practice saying: "Abortion posters with FG TDs appear in the night. Nobody admits to putting them up. Promoters hide their faces. Just like KKK," he said on Twitter.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/td-claims-prolife-extremists-acting-like-ku-klux-klan-29241471.html

Chiparus · 22-05-2013 6:32pm

Should the above post be moved to the politics super thread mods?

Max Powers · 23-05-2013 10:50am

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

sure weren't SF left with egg on their faces when they complained about a delegation from Waterford city council travelling to an event in order to get the tall ships event to return back to Waterford!!!

best thing to happen Waterford in decades and they tried to get cheap headlines out of it!!

Yeah, agree with that in fairness. Sending a couple of people to try get tall ships back may be worthwhile as there is a clear link/objective. I think we all agree the conferences and training days they have are a joke. I still have an issue with Mary Roches USA trip, (and mary O hallorans + husband), there was no clear goal.

I realise one person can do a lot, egs: Nicky Fewer - Tall Ships, Lady in Drogheda - PayPal but these are exceptional people and i think shaking hands of some CEOs of companies that we have here is not worthwhile/unlikely to get benefits. If it turned out that one of those companies was deciding whether to locate here or UK, then I would possibly agree sending over a rep with IDA might be a good idea.

Cabaal · 23-05-2013 11:23am

Max Powers wrote: »

Yeah, agree with that in fairness. Sending a couple of people to try get tall ships back may be worthwhile as there is a clear link/objective. I think we all agree the conferences and training days they have are a joke. I still have an issue with Mary Roches USA trip, (and mary O hallorans + husband), there was no clear goal.

I realise one person can do a lot, egs: Nicky Fewer - Tall Ships, Lady in Drogheda - PayPal but these are exceptional people and i think shaking hands of some CEOs of companies that we have here is not worthwhile/unlikely to get benefits. If it turned out that one of those companies was deciding whether to locate here or UK, then I would possibly agree sending over a rep with IDA might be a good idea.

Sometimes its just better to meet people in person,

Sure you can send e-mails or make a phone call but there's nothing like meeting a person face to face in the same room to make a connection.

This is case for handing in cv's for jobs, job interviews and the likes so why are people so against TD's meeting company CEO's face to face?

Yes it costs money, but sometimes it can pay off.

CuriousG · 23-05-2013 12:55pm

Meatwad wrote: »

The main problem with the protesters is their inability to understand that just because they believe something is right, it doesn't give them the power to force other people to adhere to their belief systems.

Turn that way of thinking around, also. Just because some people think abortion is right doesn't mean everyone should say so. Abortion may or not ultimately be illegal in this country, either way, there are people that will agree with both side, that will not just go away. You have to campaign for what YOU personally believe. They are doing that, as you will if it comes to it.

Am Chile wrote: »

I agree people are entitled to have opinions and campaign on issues-but I think there is a fine line between campaigning and harassing people as they try to go about their business out in the street like the harassment john halligan faced from the pro life campaigners in tramore this past sunday-and the putting leaflets through his letterbox past 12 in the night- what do they hope to gain from it?

To quote yourself;

Am Chile wrote: »

Some people it seems have a problem with anyone who dares to air a dissenting view-protests arent unique to waterford-enda kenny was met with a large number of protesters in galway a good while ago protesting over turf cutting restrictions and protests in donegal when he went there and phil hogan met by protesters in wicklow-different groups have a gripe with the government over different issues-

TDs are there to listen. That TD actually refused to see them in his office, and refused any appointments relating to the matter. What else were they to do? Everyone has to have their say, politicians are there for everyone. Not just for you. Demanding answers and 'harassing' are too different things. Society has sensitivity issues if that constitutes are harassment now. He is a TD, and while I do not agree with disrupting his personal life, in the state Ireland is in now on any issue, why should they get an easy ride? You said yourself a lot of people have issues with the government, please do not pick and choose which ones are ok to suit yourself.

I don't know what they want to achieve by doing all that, and I am not saying I agree with the methods, but the truth of this is you would probably still give out if they didn't say boo to anyone. When they are on the street, they don't. I have been harassed more by the likes of concern/other outspoken charity collectors than I have by a few old people sitting at a table. I say fair play to them for having the guts to go out onto a busy street at that age and stand for what they believe. If it was any other subject, you would all be saying the same. I don't think it is fair to say they only come out and hide at night, when you are also giving out about them 'harassing' people in broad daylight on the street. It is either one or the other.

No matter what the subject, people in this country have a lot of issues right now, and staying silent won't do a thing. More power to the people that want to speak out about something they don't like, we are too quiet a nation as it is. Nothing will ever get done if everyone is told to shut up because not everyone agrees.

ziedth · 23-05-2013 1:18pm

Chiparus wrote: »

Should the above post be moved to the politics super thread mods?

Please use report post in the future or send a PM. I'm happy to leave the post there.

Max Powers · 23-05-2013 3:55pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Sometimes its just better to meet people in person,

Sure you can send e-mails or make a phone call but there's nothing like meeting a person face to face in the same room to make a connection.

This is case for handing in cv's for jobs, job interviews and the likes so why are people so against TD's meeting company CEO's face to face?

Yes it costs money, but sometimes it can pay off.

Sometimes......i would change that to exceptional/rare circumstances. As far as I can remember, Mary Roches rationale for going to US was to say: 'anything we can do, pick up the phone/let us know'. I would appreciate that if i was the CEO of a big company but a phone call to the office would suffice plenty. Its careless to go travelling anywhere in hope of something happening. You have to target specific things, that is when face to face helps.

Max Powers · 23-05-2013 3:57pm

im really surprised that the Munster or N&S havent pushed accountability of our reps more. Are they afraid of upsetting them, in case they need planning permission or something

Hoffmans · 23-05-2013 6:49pm

andthen didnt yer pro life chap head up to halligans private home on a midnight call and shove a load of pro life flyers through the door , creepy kunt..........

jad2007 · 23-05-2013 7:08pm

The local print and broadcast media are clearly unwilling to rock the boat to much with our reps, WCC in its various forms are big customers of WLR ,News and Star so im guessing that is the reason.

Personnally I would like to see all our local councillors asked a series of fairly basic questions like

Are you the director of a company (s) ?

How many conferences did you attend last year ?

Anyway stuff like that Im sure people get the idea, what you will find is that some of our councillors are making a nice living out of politics and we might get some surprises.

wellboytoo · 23-05-2013 11:30pm

Max Powers wrote: »

If it turned out that one of those companies was deciding whether to locate here or UK, then I would possibly agree sending over a rep with IDA might be a good idea.

Jasus Max you better give the IDA your number so!:D

Mr Tibbs · 24-05-2013 12:10am

Sully wrote: »

Some of the posters are graphic and they are positioned in as many places as possible. The saying "Wont someone think of the children?" comes to mind.

I'm all for letting people express their views, but within reason.

It would have been nice if that had been the Catholic Churchs motto when all the abuse was happening maybe the cover up would not have happened afterall. Life begins in the womb they believe and we should all have the greatest respect for the unborn so what happens when children start growing up and become cute looking to some of these people.
To me that was a greater crime than abortion including the cover up by those who believe they have a right to preach to us about morals. Many years ago I used to go into a box to confess all my evil doings to a man of God as I thought but it turned this fellow was a pervert and here I was woryring about going to hell for cursing.

Dick phelan · 24-05-2013 3:15am

Not all pro life people are basing it on relligion they could just be viewing it as a life you dont have to be Catholic to view an unborn baby as a life jasus the pro lifers have every right to protest if you dont agree with them dont join them simple its their views and they have a right to voice them, oh i actually agree with abortion but i understand if you are against it why you would be so pationate about it i dont agree with them but i wont give them abuse for protesting

Max Powers · 24-05-2013 8:51am

wellboytoo wrote: »

Jasus Max you better give the IDA your number so!:D

Thats a good one:D, you know what i mean (just to clarify, im not looking to be asked myself, it would be nice though)

CuriousG · 24-05-2013 10:43am

Dick phelan wrote: »

Not all pro life people are basing it on relligion they could just be viewing it as a life you dont have to be Catholic to view an unborn baby as a life jasus the pro lifers have every right to protest if you dont agree with them dont join them simple its their views and they have a right to voice them, oh i actually agree with abortion but i understand if you are against it why you would be so pationate about it i dont agree with them but i wont give them abuse for protesting

Agreed.

Finnbar01 · 24-05-2013 11:11am

Cabaal wrote: »

Normally I'd agree but there's a difference big between protesting and protesting by imitating people and spreading fear and lies.

People should be under no illusions when it comes to the so called pro life crowd, they are very well funded from the USA and they take no prisoners to get what they want.

Where's your evidence that they are well funded from the USA? If you have no proof, you yourself can be accused of same things you accuse the pro life crowd of.

Professey Chin · 24-05-2013 1:21pm

Finnbar01 wrote: »

Where's your evidence that they are well funded from the USA? If you have no proof, you yourself can be accused of same things you accuse the pro life crowd of.

Well theyre hiding something about their funding
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/anti-abortion-groups-ignored-political-watchdog-queries-1.1316629

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/why-american-pro-life-dollars-are-pouring-into-ireland/266981/

Plus have you ever looked at their rallies? Massive bilboards, thousands of professionally printed leaflets (theres never any hand made ones), buses hired to get people there, professional equipment for screens & speakers. Its not cheap and id love to know how they afford it

robp · 24-05-2013 5:34pm

Chinpool wrote: »

Well theyre hiding something about their funding
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/anti-abortion-groups-ignored-political-watchdog-queries-1.1316629

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/why-american-pro-life-dollars-are-pouring-into-ireland/266981/

Plus have you ever looked at their rallies? Massive bilboards, thousands of professionally printed leaflets (theres never any hand made ones), buses hired to get people there, professional equipment for screens & speakers. Its not cheap and id love to know how they afford it

Funny that you ignore the funding of pro choice groups coming in from the US, which happens to massively exceed what pro life groups may get. US billionaire Chuck Feeney has funded the Irish Council for Civil Liberties (ICCL) to the tune of some $7.7 million. link. The name ICCL sounds like a government quango but its actually just a NGO pressure group which spends a great deal of time pushing the pro choice cause.

Look at the end of the day overseas investment is celebrated when its from multinationals taking advantage of tax loop holes. If money is given for investment in Ireland, museums or charities overseas more power to them. This kind of funding is just a continuation of that. Do the people implying it to be suspicious refuse in work in American multinationals or refuse to donate to third world charities. Anyway the vast majority of their funding is Irish.

nice_very · 24-05-2013 5:58pm

are they still there on a daily basis? I must get in and meet them for a chat someday Im bored

Finnbar01 · 24-05-2013 6:13pm

Chinpool wrote: »

Well theyre hiding something about their funding
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/anti-abortion-groups-ignored-political-watchdog-queries-1.1316629

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/why-american-pro-life-dollars-are-pouring-into-ireland/266981/

Plus have you ever looked at their rallies? Massive bilboards, thousands of professionally printed leaflets (theres never any hand made ones), buses hired to get people there, professional equipment for screens & speakers. Its not cheap and id love to know how they afford it

If they don't want to cooperate with a government funded quango fair play to them.

blankAs · 27-05-2013 1:55am

They were set up on the prom in Tramore this afternoon. two older men and one middle aged man looking for signatures to support pro life stance, realy what has it got to do with them? they couldnt answer me as to who was going to look after and financially support all these children that abortion was never an option for as they are just crumpledy misinformed old men!

Max Powers · 27-05-2013 8:54am

They were talking about the unemployment problem in the SE this morning on Newstalk with some (ex GAA) Liam Griffin (Hotelier). Good to hear the issue getting media coverage, this came on the back of Varadker saying how great they are doing on the unemployment progress over the weekend. In fairness, to Griffin, he highlighted a few of the issues, he failed to highlight the IDA office/support issue, University etc. He did say we have been forgotten about and mentioned about Rosslare port not being supported. Cant blame him for mentioning that, he is from Wexford so that would close to home for him.

We need to keep it in the front of their minds, now that they have announced 75 jobs in KK (Glanbia) and 200 in Nypro, they probably think we are all happy days down here.

Finnbar01 · 27-05-2013 5:47pm

blankAs wrote: »

They were set up on the prom in Tramore this afternoon. two older men and one middle aged man looking for signatures to support pro life stance, realy what has it got to do with them? they couldnt answer me as to who was going to look after and financially support all these children that abortion was never an option for as they are just crumpledy misinformed old men!

So because they are men and two were old men at that, they are misinformed and shouldn't have an opinion on the matter?

jayboi · 27-05-2013 6:20pm

blankAs wrote: »

They were set up on the prom in Tramore this afternoon. two older men and one middle aged man looking for signatures to support pro life stance, realy what has it got to do with them? they couldnt answer me as to who was going to look after and financially support all these children that abortion was never an option for as they are just crumpledy misinformed old men!

Are you sitting down cos what I'm about to say may both shock and amaze you....
...absolutely everybody......both women AND men... started off as the unborn

No offence I just don't understand this idea that men have no say whatsoever and I'd be more or less pro choice

fuzzy dunlop · 29-05-2013 4:00pm

I do not see what the problem is. They have the right to protest as do the pro choice crowd. There is often pro choice protests and they have been allowed protest witout any prejudice from the authorites. I have witnessed them often enough.

fuzzy dunlop · 29-05-2013 5:37pm

blankAs wrote: »

They were set up on the prom in Tramore this afternoon. two older men and one middle aged man looking for signatures to support pro life stance, realy what has it got to do with them? they couldnt answer me as to who was going to look after and financially support all these children that abortion was never an option for as they are just crumpledy misinformed old men!

It has plenty to do with them.We are living in a democracy and they are entitled to protest against something that they believe is intrinsically evil. It doesn't matter if they are right or wrong. They are entitled to do whatever they want as long as it is legal. It is amazing that the liberal principles of freedom of speech and right of assembly and protest are all hunky dory until someone that disagrees with the same liberals cosy censensus on a certain issue comes along.

Trotter · 30-05-2013 3:17pm

I find it a bit annoying that along with the tech uni fiasco, the boundaries decision is out today also where one journalist mentioned Waterford as one of the biggest losers. The cynic in me would suggest some attempt at suave media management.

Sully · 30-05-2013 3:46pm

Trotter wrote: »

I find it a bit annoying that along with the tech uni fiasco, the boundaries decision is out today also where one journalist mentioned Waterford as one of the biggest losers. The cynic in me would suggest some attempt at suave media management.

By the Waterford Forum Mods?!? Christ, the last person I expected to go down the conspiracy route was yourself!

Seriously Trotter, this is big news for Waterford - even if our application was rejected, it would need its own thread. The thread is full of negative press so we are doing an awful job. Its debatable if the news is positive. The government are being slammed in the thread. So technically, on the conspiracy theory, it should be shoved into the mega thread.

I think we would all agree, big threads (positive or negative) need to be on their own. Its not sensible to be in a megathread. The smaller ones are put into a megathread. This is to avoid the political infighting, bait biting and all around political remarks in most threads. Both threads will be heavily moderated and not by me. Not even the slightest moderation - I won't be anywhere near it with my mod hat. Its a temporary measure, and not even proposed by me - the biggest political nerd out of the mods.

Not everything is a conspiracy or out to get Waterford.

KevIRL · 30-05-2013 4:09pm

Sully wrote: »

By the Waterford Forum Mods?!? Christ, the last person I expected to go down the conspiracy route was yourself!

Seriously Trotter, this is big news for Waterford - even if our application was rejected, it would need its own thread. The thread is full of negative press so we are doing an awful job. Its debatable if the news is positive. The government are being slammed in the thread. So technically, on the conspiracy theory, it should be shoved into the mega thread.

I think we would all agree, big threads (positive or negative) need to be on their own. Its not sensible to be in a megathread. The smaller ones are put into a megathread. This is to avoid the political infighting, bait biting and all around political remarks in most threads. Both threads will be heavily moderated and not by me. Not even the slightest moderation - I won't be anywhere near it with my mod hat. Its a temporary measure, and not even proposed by me - the biggest political nerd out of the mods.

Not everything is a conspiracy or out to get Waterford.

WTF on a few fronts

Firstly he didnt mention the Waterford mods or boards.ie even. He
references the boundaries report, a journalist and then suave media management. I dont knwo where you got Waterford forum mods from

. Me thinks you are the one with the tinfoil hat on here Sully

Secondly point about picking and choosing what threads will have posts moved to this thread or not is nuts, users wont know where to post. If someone is out of line on thread then the mods should moderate, not pick and choose what topics can and cannot be debated on their own thread

Trotter · 30-05-2013 4:12pm

Sully wrote: »

By the Waterford Forum Mods?!? Christ, the last person I expected to go down the conspiracy route was yourself!

Seriously Trotter, this is big news for Waterford - even if our application was rejected, it would need its own thread. The thread is full of negative press so we are doing an awful job. Its debatable if the news is positive. The government are being slammed in the thread. So technically, on the conspiracy theory, it should be shoved into the mega thread.

I think we would all agree, big threads (positive or negative) need to be on their own. Its not sensible to be in a megathread. The smaller ones are put into a megathread. This is to avoid the political infighting, bait biting and all around political remarks in most threads. Both threads will be heavily moderated and not by me. Not even the slightest moderation - I won't be anywhere near it with my mod hat. Its a temporary measure, and not even proposed by me - the biggest political nerd out of the mods.

Not everything is a conspiracy or out to get Waterford.

Easy tiger lol.. I read both stories in the national papers today! I never said the mods were involved.. Ye're good but not that good!

I'd have posted my hmmmm about the mergers and the faux university news in the university thread but I love to follow mods rules and ye wouldn't be happy with me if I did.
:P Get coffee Sully quick!

If VinB was here now he'd say to you.. Wha Wha What are you on about?!

Sully · 30-05-2013 5:09pm

Normality returned and panic over!!

Trotter · 30-05-2013 5:39pm

Don't relax yet Sully..

Boundary Review

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dday-for-councillors-as-650-face-axe-in-boundary-revamp-29307363.html

The biggest losers in the new allocation are likely to be Laois, Longford, Clare, Tipperary, Waterford, Leitrim, Roscommon, Sligo, Cavan and Monaghan.

Ignore the above! We also bring you happy news of a University (sort of) that will happen (might happen) that will bring your region (and the others) great joy.

Department of Education to create Technological Universities in sector overhaul

Both on the same day. Hmmm.

The boundary review and merger needs its own thread but I don't have the energy to argue against the idea that although all the main cities in FG/Lab's new country ideal (Dublin, Galway, Cork) are coming out of this just fine, once again Waterford will be treated differently. We'll save loads of money merging it and it'll all be great.. Hooray for Waterford.

Im just posting the links above for info really. Ive lost the will to debate it. Waterford is being battered by FG/LAB and if FF were pulling these stunts, we'd have FG/LAB screaming foul at the ref.

Sully · 30-05-2013 6:10pm

I don't know much about this boundary debate or how it compared with other regions so its hard to comment. How is a region a winner or loser? Loss of seats I assume?

Trotter · 30-05-2013 6:12pm

Sully wrote: »

I don't know much about this boundary debate or how it compared with other regions so its hard to comment. How is a region a winner or loser? Loss of seats I assume?

Its linked to the merger. *ducks..*.. which is disadvantageous to Waterford compared to our much stronger and more influencial regional competitors.

Sully · 30-05-2013 7:07pm

On the subject of local rates - a local and national governmental issue is attempted to being addressed by one of our local TDs. I spotted this on Facebook but had heard about it on WLR a number of weeks ago. In short, there is some ancient law that says that if an owner/occupier of a premises closes down or vacates it, and in doing so leaves behind unpaid local authority rates, any new tenant that takes over ownership or occupancy is liable for the tenant’s defaulted rates bill.

Imagine being greeted with that on arrival into your new unit! :eek:

Anyway, he is tabling a bill that would address this and he is asking for councils to put forward motions calling for this bill to be expedited. Cork has so far done so and apparently other councils have agreed to support it.

Its being put forward by Paudie Coffey, Fine Gael TD. That fellow from Portlaw.

fuzzy dunlop · 30-05-2013 8:03pm

Sully wrote: »

On the subject of local rates - a local and national governmental issue is attempted to being addressed by one of our local TDs. I spotted this on Facebook but had heard about it on WLR a number of weeks ago. In short, there is some ancient law that says that if an owner/occupier of a premises closes down or vacates it, and in doing so leaves behind unpaid local authority rates, any new tenant that takes over ownership or occupancy is liable for the tenant’s defaulted rates bill.

Imagine being greeted with that on arrival into your new unit! :eek:

Anyway, he is tabling a bill that would address this and he is asking for councils to put forward motions calling for this bill to be expedited. Cork has so far done so and apparently other councils have agreed to support it.

Its being put forward by Paudie Coffey, Fine Gael TD. That fellow from Portlaw.

This post highlights perfectly what is wrong with this thread. There is no distinction between any post as long as a politician or party is mentioned. Therefore the discussion can meander all over the place. Attention is diverted from the inequitable merger to some micky mouse motion Paudie Coffey is tabling.

Max Powers · 31-05-2013 4:56pm

Re: Boundary thing

Surely, the less councillors we have, the better? as they are a overly expensive waste of space, by and large.

fuzzy dunlop · 31-05-2013 7:32pm

Max Powers wrote: »

Re: Boundary thing

Surely, the less councillors we have, the better? as they are a overly expensive waste of space, by and large.

But we don't have less.Waterford has less. Dublin has more. Galway City has more.Waterford City has none because it is de facto abolished. And its services uniquely in Ireland spread all over the county! You see a pattern emerging yet? I'm all for less councillors,Less TD's and less senators. But this certainly isn't happening here. This is just tinkering. We were promised by FG and all we get is the usual tinkering that they do when they get into government.

Hijpo · 04-06-2013 2:15am

Sully wrote: »

On the subject of local rates - a local and national governmental issue is attempted to being addressed by one of our local TDs. I spotted this on Facebook but had heard about it on WLR a number of weeks ago. In short, there is some ancient law that says that if an owner/occupier of a premises closes down or vacates it, and in doing so leaves behind unpaid local authority rates, any new tenant that takes over ownership or occupancy is liable for the tenant’s defaulted rates bill.

Imagine being greeted with that on arrival into your new unit! :eek:

Anyway, he is tabling a bill that would address this and he is asking for councils to put forward motions calling for this bill to be expedited. Cork has so far done so and apparently other councils have agreed to support it.

Its being put forward by Paudie Coffey, Fine Gael TD. That fellow from Portlaw.

With regards the rates issue, wasnt there proposal put forward in the CoCo that rates be reduced by 3% for SME's making it more affordable to keep trading? The 3% shortfall would then be filled by halving the amount set aside for legal costs and that expenses paid to cllrs be cut by 25% (or something along those lines) Apparently it was defeated by the controlling FG/Lab group.

MOC88 · 05-06-2013 2:04pm

So does anyone think our tds are doing a good job?

allthedoyles · 13-06-2013 11:41pm

Wow!
Waterford FG TD John Deasy saves FF TD John McGuinness at PAC today. Deasy admits govt top brass want to cut John's cttee down to size

Chiparus · 14-06-2013 1:28am

More career advancement from Deasy.

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