STEVIE WONDER 3 Arena Tuesday, July 9th 2019

Bellerstring · 10-07-2019 9:28am

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

I thought it was an incredible gig, well worth the money.

The sound was a but iffy during the first song, but they got it sorted pretty quickly.

Paid €320 for two tickets.
Listening to a DJ and cover versions is not my idea of "well worth the money"

leahyl · 10-07-2019 9:36am

How do the promoters in Ireland get away with charging these prices for tickets? Is it because we are just mugs and they know we'll pay it?

170e for a concert ticket is absolutely extortionate and then to hear that the gig wasn't even that good with DJ's and backing singers all getting a look in :mad:

The Nal · 10-07-2019 9:41am

leahyl wrote: »

How do the promoters in Ireland get away with charging these prices for tickets? Is it because we are just mugs and they know we'll pay it?

Yup. People think its "well worth the money".

The annoying thing is that it inflates the market here for other gigs.

Need to take a leaf from the Italians books, where they pay far less than we do for gigs.

Streisand concert cancelled amid price row

Lewis_Benson · 10-07-2019 10:11am

Bellerstring wrote: »

Paid €320 for two tickets.
Listening to a DJ and cover versions is not my idea of "well worth the money"

I understand that.
For me stevie was on form and played out of his skin.
We may nit see him here again, so for me, it was worth it.
One ticked off the list.

Burty330 · 10-07-2019 10:55am

The O2 is a chithole. You really have to see these bands/performers in other venues to realize how bad the sound is in that place is.

Wooderson · 10-07-2019 10:58am

Loads of silly bucketlisters bigging this one up. It was a mess. One of the worst shows ive seen.

How Soon Is Now · 10-07-2019 11:03am

Seen him at a festival in London for half the price of this nearly ten years ago.

Really good no bull**** on stage and brilliant atmosphere.

I'm bascially done with gigs over here unless it's something I have to see. The money you have to pay for tickets is a ****ing joke. Then add in the sound is ****e most time and majority of the crowd are only there to have chat and a dance.

Waste of time and money.
Be better off saving the cash and watching a live performance at home ffs.

leahyl · 10-07-2019 11:11am

And then with the ridiculous ticket prices comes the outrageous price for accommodation and then petrol money/transport money. At least if you live in Dublin you can go home to your own bed. :mad:

Anyway, sort of hijacking the Stevie Wonder thread now just to have a rant :pac:

Peter File · 10-07-2019 11:12am

Burty330 wrote: »

The O2 is a chithole. You really have to see these bands/performers in other venues to realize how bad the sound is in that place is.

Sound engineer for the artist is at fault. Acoustics are excellent in the 3arena. Lazy sound engineers are the problem for poor sound in there.

Ash.J.Williams · 10-07-2019 11:20am

leahyl wrote: »

And then with the ridiculous ticket prices comes the outrageous price for accommodation and then petrol money/transport money. At least if you live in Dublin you can go home to your own bed. :mad:

Anyway, sort of hijacking the Stevie Wonder thread now just to have a rant :pac:

No gig is worth passing the 100 euro mark...it's become the new normal now and there's nothing we can do

beecee · 10-07-2019 11:22am

Peter File wrote: »

Sound engineer for the artist is at fault. Acoustics are excellent in the 3arena. Lazy sound engineers are the problem for poor sound in there.

Yep, sound for Tame Impala was superb for example!

Mrs Shuttleworth · 10-07-2019 11:28am

Burty330 wrote: »

The O2 is a chithole. You really have to see these bands/performers in other venues to realize how bad the sound is in that place is.

The 02/3Arena gets blamed for sound really unfairly. Having been to loads of gigs in there most of which have good to great sound it's the production team for the occasional dud.

Sound was excellent in there for Eagles Monday night - I could hear nuances in the tracks I haven't before.

I wish poster you'd been with me on Saturday night for The Who at Wembley Stadium. It was like listening to them through a mudbath.

Burty330 · 10-07-2019 11:35am

Peter File wrote: »

Sound engineer for the artist is at fault. Acoustics are excellent in the 3arena. Lazy sound engineers are the problem for poor sound in there.

No, the place produces a flat muddled sound since it was the Point Depot.

I know plenty of people who would sooner travel further afield than go to the o2.

Its a dump.

Mrcaramelchoc · 10-07-2019 11:37am

Peter File wrote: »

Sound engineer for the artist is at fault. Acoustics are excellent in the 3arena. Lazy sound engineers are the problem for poor sound in there.

would stevie have his own sound engineer or is it a 3 arena guy?

bodhrandude · 10-07-2019 11:42am

Patrick Freyne seems to give more of a balanced review in the Irish Times which tallies with some of the posts here. https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/stevie-wonder-in-dublin-a-wondrous-night-of-transcendent-music-and-some-iffy-stuff-1.3952282

johnnyskeleton · 10-07-2019 11:48am

Burty330 wrote: »

No, the place produces a flat muddled sound since it was the Point Depot.

I know plenty of people who would sooner travel further afield than go to the o2.

Its a dump.

The fact that you keep referring to it as the o2 and say that the sound is the same as it was in the point, when it has undergone a dramatic change since its Point days, suggests that you haven't been there in a long while.

To be honest, I'm generally not that mad about 3 Arena gigs. They usually feel packed, in terms of getting in, getting to the bar, and having no room to dance etc. Sometimes, these factors decrease my enjoyment of a gig to the point (sorry) that I don't enjoy the gig as much as I would a festival or Olympia gig. But this isn't due to the sound quality in the venue itself, which is usually very good.

As an aside, two of the better gigs I've seen in recent years have been there - the Arcade Fire boxing ring gig last year and Tame Impala earlier this year. Both class. Both sounded excellent.

I kinda feel dirty that I have to speak up for the 3 Arena, but sure there ya go!

johnnyskeleton · 10-07-2019 11:50am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

No gig is worth passing the 100 euro mark...it's become the new normal now and there's nothing we can do

There is one thing we can do - don't go. As a result, I've missed lots of the legendary bands/artists who have played here over the last few years. But I've seen plenty good quality current bands around the €40-60 mark who have been great. I don't really think even those gigs are worth €40-60, but at least if its a poor show you aren't down too much!

Burty330 · 10-07-2019 12:04pm

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The fact that you keep referring to it as the o2 and say that the sound is the same as it was in the point, when it has undergone a dramatic change since its Point days, suggests that you haven't been there in a long while.

To be honest, I'm generally not that mad about 3 Arena gigs. They usually feel packed, in terms of getting in, getting to the bar, and having no room to dance etc. Sometimes, these factors decrease my enjoyment of a gig to the point (sorry) that I don't enjoy the gig as much as I would a festival or Olympia gig. But this isn't due to the sound quality in the venue itself, which is usually very good.

As an aside, two of the better gigs I've seen in recent years have been there - the Arcade Fire boxing ring gig last year and Tame Impala earlier this year. Both class. Both sounded excellent.

I kinda feel dirty that I have to speak up for the 3 Arena, but sure there ya go!

Its so bad in there even renowned live acts like Tool , Pearl Jam , Depeche Mode , RHCP 2017 sounded flat. I saw each band in different venues and the difference in sound quality was glaring.

Its no surprise Wonder has caused mass disappointment , which once again can be out down to the o2 being a terrible venue.

Us typical Micks aren't going to criticize the only venue we have and will happily continue putting lipstick on the hog that is the OHH TWO

leahyl · 10-07-2019 12:08pm

The Nal wrote: »

Yup. People think its "well worth the money".

The annoying thing is that it inflates the market here for other gigs.

Need to take a leaf from the Italians books, where they pay far less than we do for gigs.

Streisand concert cancelled amid price row

This line from the article sums it up perfectly:

"I went online to find a ticket for a friend who is a huge Streisand fan," said Manuela, 23, a Rome-based law student who complained to Codacons. "But I needed to spend around €400 for an average seat, which is too much for me, for most Italians and is a form of social discrimination."

YUP

Furious-Red · 10-07-2019 12:10pm

Burty330 wrote: »

Its so bad in there even renowned live acts like Tool , Pearl Jam , Depeche Mode , RHCP 2017 sounded flat. I saw each band in different venues and the difference in sound quality was glaring.

Its no surprise Wonder has caused mass disappointment , which once again can be out down to the o2 being a terrible venue.

Us typical Micks aren't going to criticize the only venue we have and will happily continue putting lipstick on the hog that is the OHH TWO

Im pretty sure Tool havent played the 3Arena.

Ive never had an issue with the 3Arena when ive went to gigs there , sound is usually spot on (example would be Eagles on monday). As people have said sometimes bad sound can come down to Front of House engineer

Burty330 · 10-07-2019 12:17pm

Furious-Red wrote: »

Im pretty sure Tool havent played the 3Arena.

Ive never had an issue with the 3Arena when ive went to gigs there , sound is usually spot on (example would be Eagles on monday). As people have said sometimes bad sound can come down to Front of House engineer

02 is just the Point Depot with a face lift. Its still the same warehouse that produces a flat , muddled sound.

As i already said , you have to see the same bands elsewhere to notice how bad the sound is in there.

grimm2005 · 10-07-2019 12:22pm

Furious-Red wrote: »

Im pretty sure Tool havent played the 3Arena.

Ive never had an issue with the 3Arena when ive went to gigs there , sound is usually spot on (example would be Eagles on monday). As people have said sometimes bad sound can come down to Front of House engineer

They played the Point in 2006 apparently which doesn't really count as it was an entirely different venue. I never actually went to a gig in the old point but apparently the sound was terrible. Have been to plenty in 3arena (including Pearl Jam which was excellent) and have to say 9 times out of 10 the sound is great and the venue was quite obviously rebuilt with gigs in mind. I haven't been to a tonne of arenas but those that I have been to it certainly ranks pretty high in comparison (much better sound quality than London's O2 arena for example).

The remark about not criticising a venue is just weird, I don't think anyone would have any issues criticising a venue if it was warranted, for example I think the Olympia is a horrible venue for gigs.

argentum · 10-07-2019 12:30pm

Burty330 wrote: »

02 is just the Point Depot with a face lift. Its still the same warehouse that produces a flat , muddled sound.

As i already said , you have to see the same bands elsewhere to notice how bad the sound is in there.

Talking through your backside now a 70 million spend with the stage turned 90 degrees does not make it the same warehouse.
The sound engineer supplied to the venue is the cause of the problem not the venue itself.

Widescreen · 10-07-2019 1:15pm

Slightly off topic here, but I've been to loads of gigs in the point/3 arena.

Biggest problems I come across is the noise from people yapping all the way through the concert and going up/down/up stairs all night to get drink.

Last Saturday at the Eagles we had to tell a crowd of women behind us who probably only knew Hotel California to shut it! Otherwise we would have had gig ruined for us. I think they thought they were at a hen party!

We are crying out for a proper run venue where you cannot constantly get up and down or buy drink at any time etc. And be in your seat before it starts.

Rant over!

Ash.J.Williams · 10-07-2019 1:22pm

Burty330 wrote: »

02 is just the Point Depot with a face lift. Its still the same warehouse that produces a flat , muddled sound.

As i already said , you have to see the same bands elsewhere to notice how bad the sound is in there.

What you're saying makes no sense from an engineering and scientific point of view . It's as if you've literally made something up.

Bellerstring · 10-07-2019 1:27pm

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/absolutely-devastated-fans-hit-out-over-poor-sound-at-stevie-wonder-gig-38298384.html

Another review from the Indo.
Just as an aside, Stuart Clarke from HP gave this gig a great review.
This guy has to keep onside with the promoters so he'll continue getting his freebies to all the gigs.
Bad reviews, he wont be asked again.
Betcha he wouldn't be so gushing if he had to pay like a normal punter
Haven't ever heard him giving a less than positive review to any gig.

Ash.J.Williams · 10-07-2019 1:31pm

Bellerstring wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/absolutely-devastated-fans-hit-out-over-poor-sound-at-stevie-wonder-gig-38298384.html

Another review from the Indo.
Just as an aside, Stuart Clarke from HP gave this gig a great review.
This guy has to keep onside with the promoters so he'll continue getting his freebies to all the gigs.
Bad reviews, he wont be asked again.
Betcha he wouldn't be so gushing if he had to pay like a normal punter
Haven't ever heard him giving a less than positive review to any gig.

Hotpress announced the rammstein gig last week but if you didn't know who they were the article would make you think they are nazi sex offenders

Zardoz · 10-07-2019 1:38pm

Peter File wrote: »

Sound engineer for the artist is at fault. Acoustics are excellent in the 3arena. Lazy sound engineers are the problem for poor sound in there.

I'm not sure are they lazy ,tone deaf or just incompetent .

A good sound engineer can make all the difference .

hetuzozaho · 10-07-2019 2:02pm

Widescreen wrote: »

We are crying out for a proper run venue where you cannot constantly get up and down or buy drink at any time etc. And be in your seat before it starts.

We have it, National Concert Hall. It's a pleasure.

Hurrache · 10-07-2019 2:10pm

Burty330 wrote: »

The O2 is a chithole. You really have to see these bands/performers in other venues to realize how bad the sound is in that place is.

I've been to a good few gigs there, it has great sound when done right. The poor sound was not due to the venue.

The Nal · 10-07-2019 2:22pm

Theres usually a sound issue when the seats are up with the large standing area. The sound gets bounced to the back, travels around the concession stand area and echoes back into the arena.

Its a shíte venue unless its set up with the smaller standing area and the seating area holds the sound. Then its just a very average venue.

petros1980 · 10-07-2019 2:27pm

Agree regarding cost. usually refuse to pay more than 100 myself. It's just greed.

The point is a great venue. You get the same sound engineer experts on every gig thread giving out about the sound quality and people drinking etc....yawn....just go to a gig, have a beer and enjoy it

Thundercats Ho · 10-07-2019 2:35pm

petros1980 wrote: »

Agree regarding cost. usually refuse to pay more than 100 myself. It's just greed.

The point is a great venue. You get the same sound engineer experts on every gig thread giving out about the sound quality and people drinking etc....yawn....just go to a gig, have a beer and enjoy it

People are always gonna drink at gigs, i do myself, there's no issue with people drinking.
It's when people are scuttered, and shout talking to each other throughout the whole gig.
It is a problem, but at least if you've got standing tickets, you can move about to get away from people that are full to the neck, and you can also move to find a spot with decent sound too.

ooter · 10-07-2019 2:42pm

when he was speaking i literally couldn't hear a word he was saying, sound was dreadful. but when he sang he was brilliant, for once in my life was quality.
didn't get the DJ bit or the backing singers, looked to me like they were just trying to fill time to get it over the 2 hour mark. that thing SW did with the yoke in his mouth was baffling and then fluting around on the other instrument for about 10 mins before finally playing imagine was.

The Nal · 10-07-2019 2:42pm

petros1980 wrote: »

Agree regarding cost. usually refuse to pay more than 100 myself. It's just greed.

The point is a great venue. You get the same sound engineer experts on every gig thread giving out about the sound quality and people drinking etc....yawn....just go to a gig, have a beer and enjoy it

Yup just take the 160 quid ticket price and dodgy sound up the ass and shut up eh?

Theres a good paddy.

Mrs Shuttleworth · 10-07-2019 2:52pm

ooter wrote: »

when he was speaking i literally couldn't hear a word he was saying, sound was dreadful. but when he sang he was brilliant, for once in my life was quality.
didn't get the DJ bit or the backing singers, looked to me like they were just trying to fill time to get it over the 2 hour mark. that thing SW did with the yoke in his mouth was baffling and then fluting around on the other instrument for about 10 mins before finally playing imagine was.

Sounds like he was using a vocoder. A lot of 1970s funk artists used them (Herbie Hancock in particular). In fact Joe Walsh used one the night before in the same venue.

Anyone any vids of last night?

ollkiller · 10-07-2019 2:55pm

Burty330 wrote: »

02 is just the Point Depot with a face lift. Its still the same warehouse that produces a flat , muddled sound.

As i already said , you have to see the same bands elsewhere to notice how bad the sound is in there.

Nonsense. Seen Eddie Vedder, Roger Waters twice and Black Sabbath there and the sound was fantastic. If the sound is bad it's the soundman's fault and no one else's. And that soundman would be the artist's soundman, not the house engineer.

It really is that simple.

Wooderson · 10-07-2019 3:05pm

petros1980 wrote: »

Agree regarding cost. usually refuse to pay more than 100 myself. It's just greed.

The point is a great venue. You get the same sound engineer experts on every gig thread giving out about the sound quality and people drinking etc....yawn....just go to a gig, have a beer and enjoy it

Take a holiday with this flat earth reductive nonsense.

peejay1986 · 10-07-2019 3:07pm

Any talk of the 3 Arena being a generally bad venue for sound is pure nonsense, windup talk and should immediately be disregarded.

I'm in a very lucky position that my girlfriend gets complimentary tickets to see some acts via work, so we've been to quite a lot of gigs at various venues. The 3 Arena is incredibly consistent, especially compared to other larger venues I've attended.

I can only think of two gigs I've been to there when the sound has been poor and it's certainly a case of the engineer and their team not setting things up correctly or noticing the issue. It's a very good venue, with great viewing options and good sound.

As for people yapping at concerts. It's getting far worse. I'm all for having a good time but it baffles me why some people pay money to see a gig, then spend 90% of the time chatting. Go, have a few drinks, dance, enjoy yourself, but save the gossip for outside. The staff then to do very little either when things are reported to them.

petros1980 · 10-07-2019 3:10pm

The Nal wrote: »

Yup just take the 160 quid ticket price and dodgy sound up the ass and shut up eh?

Theres a good paddy.

Is that what I said? Twat. I don't pay 160 quid for gigs. And I'm not one of these spanners like yourself who goes to gigs just to complain about the sound quality online afterwards.

Not saying it wasn't bad last night, as there seem to be a lot of complaints. But it can't be bad at every gig held there; again unless you're a spanner who just goes looking for issues with the sound

johnnyskeleton · 10-07-2019 3:12pm

Burty330 wrote: »

Its so bad in there even renowned live acts like Tool , Pearl Jam , Depeche Mode , RHCP 2017 sounded flat. I saw each band in different venues and the difference in sound quality was glaring.

In re: Depeche Mode, I was at that gig. I had a seat all the way up in the gods and could make it out perfectly. So much so that I could even hear the embarrassed chuckle when Dave held the mike up to a young lady at the end of "Enjoy the Silence" and she scuffed her line (poor thing). I struggle to see how hearing such small sounds from the very back of the venue could be considered poor sound quality.

Also, not to get too technical but what exactly do you mean by sounded flat? I assume you mean that it wasn't loud enough rather than that it wasn't clear or that the gig was musically flat (which, unless they used a pitch shifter which I doubt, is nothing to do with the venue's sound). Or do you mean that you didn't enjoy the gig as much as you did in other places? If the latter, I can see why other venues can be more enjoyable - the 3 Arena is a big old warehouse after all, and lacks the intimacy of smaller venues - but this isn't to do with the sound quality.

Us typical Micks aren't going to criticize the only venue we have and will happily continue putting lipstick on the hog that is the OHH TWO

It's not the only venue we have and there is plenty criticism of the 3 Arena, but just that that criticism is not due to sound quality. I mean, would I prefer to have seen Tame Impala in Vicar Street - yes. But, given that over 14,000 other people wanted to see him, it had to be a large venue and that obviously means that you lose out. It might be fairer if you compare the 3 Arena with say the Alexandra Palace in London.

Mrs Shuttleworth · 10-07-2019 3:33pm

Someone has uploaded one hour twenty mins of the gig.

leahyl · 10-07-2019 3:47pm

Widescreen wrote: »

Slightly off topic here, but I've been to loads of gigs in the point/3 arena.

Biggest problems I come across is the noise from people yapping all the way through the concert and going up/down/up stairs all night to get drink.

Last Saturday at the Eagles we had to tell a crowd of women behind us who probably only knew Hotel California to shut it! Otherwise we would have had gig ruined for us. I think they thought they were at a hen party!

We are crying out for a proper run venue where you cannot constantly get up and down or buy drink at any time etc. And be in your seat before it starts.

Rant over!

Totally agree, the Irish insistence on being able to buy copious amounts of alcohol throughout the entire gig and missing most of it in the process :rolleyes:. I remember for Bruce Springsteen in PUC in 2013, the queues for drink outside the stadium were unreal, people were waiting 40 minutes just to get a drink and missing massive chunks of his set as a result. It can only mean that they aren't really fans surely. I mean I had never been to a Bruce Springsteen concert before then but I certianly wasn't going to miss any of it just to get an (again) overpriced alcoholic beverage. Once the gig starts there should be no alcohol sold after that, imo.

maximoose · 10-07-2019 4:08pm

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

Someone has uploaded one hour twenty mins of the gig.

Jesus christ.

Ash.J.Williams · 10-07-2019 4:26pm

petros1980 wrote: »

Is that what I said? Twat. I don't pay 160 quid for gigs. And I'm not one of these spanners like yourself who goes to gigs just to complain about the sound quality online afterwards.

Not saying it wasn't bad last night, as there seem to be a lot of complaints. But it can't be bad at every gig held there; again unless you're a spanner who just goes looking for issues with the sound

Welcome to boards

Ash.J.Williams · 10-07-2019 4:27pm

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

In re: Depeche Mode, I was at that gig. I had a seat all the way up in the gods and could make it out perfectly. So much so that I could even hear the embarrassed chuckle when Dave held the mike up to a young lady at the end of "Enjoy the Silence" and she scuffed her line (poor thing). I struggle to see how hearing such small sounds from the very back of the venue could be considered poor sound quality.

Also, not to get too technical but what exactly do you mean by sounded flat? I assume you mean that it wasn't loud enough rather than that it wasn't clear or that the gig was musically flat (which, unless they used a pitch shifter which I doubt, is nothing to do with the venue's sound). Or do you mean that you didn't enjoy the gig as much as you did in other places? If the latter, I can see why other venues can be more enjoyable - the 3 Arena is a big old warehouse after all, and lacks the intimacy of smaller venues - but this isn't to do with the sound quality.

It's not the only venue we have and there is plenty criticism of the 3 Arena, but just that that criticism is not due to sound quality. I mean, would I prefer to have seen Tame Impala in Vicar Street - yes. But, given that over 14,000 other people wanted to see him, it had to be a large venue and that obviously means that you lose out. It might be fairer if you compare the 3 Arena with say the Alexandra Palace in London.

Wow tame impala is one person? That could have been embarrassing for me if I told a young person that they're a great band

johnnyskeleton · 10-07-2019 4:40pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Wow tame impala is one person? That could have been embarrassing for me if I told a young person that they're a great band

Its a grey area. Its a guy who tours with a band he plays with a lot. But I think the recordings are just him, and the band have a different name

mrk75 · 10-07-2019 4:46pm

leahyl wrote: »

Totally agree, the Irish insistence on being able to buy copious amounts of alcohol throughout the entire gig and missing most of it in the process :rolleyes:. I remember for Bruce Springsteen in PUC in 2013, the queues for drink outside the stadium were unreal, people were waiting 40 minutes just to get a drink and missing massive chunks of his set as a result. It can only mean that they aren't really fans surely. I mean I had never been to a Bruce Springsteen concert before then but I certianly wasn't going to miss any of it just to get an (again) overpriced alcoholic beverage. Once the gig starts there should be no alcohol sold after that, imo.

Good call...but wishful thinking. Venues will have too much to lose on sales...

But the point is well made. We can't help ourselves - we love "the craic" and it wouldn't do to be considered the proverbial dry sh*te by just going for the music.

No. We treat a gig like a big pub and yammer away. In fairness, I'm sure lots of folk do it and wonder the next day what the f*ck they were at when they can't remember any of the songs they didn't hear because they were drinking and/or chatting....

maximoose · 10-07-2019 4:49pm

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Its a grey area. Its a guy who tours with a band he plays with a lot. But I think the recordings are just him, and the band have a different name

When they walked out on stage in 3arena my OH asked me "is it a him or a them?", I said I think it's technically a him.. miliseconds later Kevin says "We are Tame Impala" and she loved telling me I was wrong :pac:

Snickers Man · 10-07-2019 7:05pm

leahyl wrote: »

How do the promoters in Ireland get away with charging these prices for tickets? Is it because we are just mugs and they know we'll pay it?

Those of us who have been on Boards for a long time have a vague memory of writs being issued by one large promoter some years back because he didn't like what people were saying on this site about one of his less well organised (yet still prohibitively expensive) shows. It got to the stage, as I remember, that all mention of the company was prohibited by Mods because of fears of legal repercussions.

So much for "the customer is always right".

But then he went and ****ed up a Barbara Streisand concert and found he couldn't be as dismissive of her well heeled fans as he could for a bunch of sweaty rockers. Cause they knew lawyers too. In fact, many of them probably WERE lawyers!

Karma.

Anyway, careful who you slag off. Alls I'm sayin'

STEVIE WONDER 3 Arena Tuesday, July 9th 2019

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