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Our dog bit my 7 year old in the face

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭pburns


    I was bitten in the face by an old sheepdog we had at about 4 yrs old. Frightened the ****e in me but it was my own fault for annoying her. Life lesson...

    Keep your child away from dogs eating their food.

    Don't put down the dog.

    I have a lovely dog right now (half Lab) who is as gentle as they come. But if someone went messing at food he was enjoying who knows?

    Don't listen to the urban idiots living in boxes who don't know ANYTHING about dogs...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭Kauto0709


    To be honest when it happened, the more (I think) sensible side of me was thinking the dog never does this, and my son never watched him bite a bone before and so the dog doesn't want to hurt my son but is instinctively guarding the bone. Other than that my son and the dog always play together and the dog has a strange attachment to him for years now. My initial dealing with it is just to ensure they leave the dog alone when he's chewing on something like that.

    It's a tough decision and I know I'm going to lose sleep over it.

    Your dog and your son are friends. The dog presumably saw your son as a threat to the bone and so snapped. Perhaps he didn't even mean to bite him, just to warn him off. Don't get him put down, he is a part of the family, your son would be so upset. Just talk to your son about giving the dog some space.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭keepalive213


    It's difficult to give informed advice without knowing the exact circumstances...
    In saying that I think it would be wrong to kill the dog for that, most any dog I've seen will snarl if you get to close while they are eating.
    I'd imagine a good deal of dogs would instinctively nip you if you came between them and their food / bone.
    If the dog is otherwise then placid keep it and just be more careful around feeding times.
    If that's not an option then try re home it.
    I got a proper chewing as a child from a cattle dog that was eating at the time, she was re homed to a farm with no kids. It was a loss, she was a gift besides.

    Edit... I bet if anyone tried to bother the same child the dog would nip them too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭ExoPolitic


    I had a dog that nipped one of my chickens in the same way, the next day it ate two of them...

    Dog was swiftly removed from the premises...


  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If your in Dundalk ring the Louth county council pound.

    They have a good team up there and will assess the dog. They also work with rescues to rehome dogs and the rescue also work on their behavior.

    Be honest with them and tell them everything about the dog, and by this I mean it's entire history and they will give you their honest opinion.

    BTW you mentioned that your child was staring at your dog while it was eating, dogs see that as aggression and an attempt to take its food, as its what another dog will do when it wants to do exactly thst. Some dogs will react as if your child was a dog and snap or worse.

    Hope you're child is OK and that you make the right decision for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    If it was my dog I’d keep him and tell the child to stay away from the dog when it’s eating.
    I’d also feed him in a separate area away from people in future and I’d have given it a good lash when it did bite if I witnessed it but that’s all.
    Feed it on its own.most dogs don’t like people messing with them or getting up in their space when they eat.
    It’s not like it’s running around biting everyone ffs.
    That’s not an aggressive dog you have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    For the mod up above I'm from Dundalk. The dog is a cross between a spaniel and perhaps a collie and he's about 6 year old. He was a rescue dog from a local lady initially given to my dad but I decided I liked him so much we swapped over dogs and certs etc etc.

    His behaviours since we have known him this last 5 years? He jumps up on people looking to get petted. All he ever wants is for me to pet him. He's never in all the years we've had him been aggressive with anyone just with other dogs as we pass them on the leash.

    I didn't see the incident because I was in the kitchen. Initially I heard my son cry, I rushed to ask him the problem and I suggested that maybe the dog jumped up on him and scratched him with his nail or something but my son said he was looking down on him eating his bone and without warning he lifted his head and bit him real quick. There was no growling, no barking or anything of the sort. We have never given the dog a bone as long as we've owned him and only ever fed him dry food from the bowl. But a few days ago my wife comes home from the shop with a bone of a pigs leg or foot and that's his first time ever owning a bone.


    Bones are a really high value treat. Really high value. Long lasting, tasty, meaty bone after all the years he's just had dog nuts. Of course he felt threatened OP, he'd just won the food lottery and he thought your son could possibly take it away, so he reacted in the only way he knew how. He would have reacted to you or any other human or animal that came into his space at that moment in time. You might have noticed him freeze or lip curl, or any number of subtle little movements that DBB mentioned above, but a 7yr old, who had no experience of reading canine body language would have been pretty oblivious to them.



    Again, I'm showing my age but I was also taught at an early age not to annoy the dog when he/she was eating. I tell my 3yr old not to annoy the dogs when they're eating and that they have sharp teeth and could get annoyed. So she helps me get their dinner ready, she puts the bowls down and we walk away. Nowadays dogs are expected to be robots and not to react to anything, a lot of people make the mistake of giving out to a dog for growling or showing teeth, basically suppressing the only warning signals they have. So when they bypass those signals, for fear of their human given out to them, all they have left to warn with is their teeth.



    OP, I wouldn't be getting the dog put down. I wouldn't rehome the dog either. I'd manage the situation by NEVER giving him a bone again. Or if you want to give him a high value treat, get a crate and all high value treats are to be eaten in the crate, safe for the dog, safe for your son. You could get a behaviourist in for a consult to observe the situation and to assess the dogs behaviour. You could get a plan of action on how to go from here should you wish to keep the dog. Bear in mind that it's not a training plan for the dog - rather a training plan for the humans on how to manage the situation.



    ^^
    The above is just my opinion. I understand that you could be uncomfortable with having the dog around your son given that he has nipped him. You said that it was your fathers dog, could he go back to your father?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    ExoPolitic wrote: »
    I had a dog that nipped one of my chickens in the same way, the next day it ate two of them...

    Dog was swiftly removed from the premises...



    You should have had the hens secured away from the dog in a predator proof area.that was the dogs instinct and your fault it happened.bad animal husbandry.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    ExoPolitic wrote: »
    I had a dog that nipped one of my chickens in the same way, the next day it ate two of them...

    Dog was swiftly removed from the premises...

    Yeah, definitely a comparable situation. Better remove the dog before he eats the op's kid


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    People very quick to put down a dog. It's unfortunate that they were the first replies to the op.
    Your son could have been in the dogs blindspot and startled him. There could have been a lot of contributing factors tbh that you may not have seen. If they get on normally it seems a huge jump to want to kill the dog straight away.
    It is worth noting that if the dog wanted to bite your son and cause harm, it would have.
    It sounds more like a warning snap and maybe your son moved or was closer than the dog thought.
    Killing the dog would definitely not be my first instinct. You could also consider monitoring the dog with your son for a few days and see if there is anything to be wary of.
    Feed the dog out the back garden or in a room away from where you son can go. If you are still unsure then maybe ask around or if anyone would like to take the dog explaining why. Failing that, then maybe the dog pound.

    Killing the dog would be my absolute last resort, and only when all other avenues are completely exhausted and I'm sure the dog is going to attack somebody.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    ExoPolitic wrote: »
    I had a dog that nipped one of my chickens in the same way, the next day it ate two of them...

    Dog was swiftly removed from the premises...

    Did the dog think the chicken was going to take it's bone?

    If not, it's not at all "in the same way" is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    ExoPolitic wrote: »
    I had a dog that nipped one of my chickens in the same way, the next day it ate two of them...

    Dog was swiftly removed from the premises...



    Ffs your dog bit a chicken and yet the next day ate 2.did you not think after the first day that you should do something to avoid further problems.
    Hardly Einstein territory.
    Bad animal husbandry. The dog shouldn’t have had access to the hens and you as the owner failed them both


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,964 ✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    I’d have given it a good lash when it did bite if I witnessed it but that’s all.

    You have posted in this forum enough to know that advocating violence towards animals is not tolerated here under any circumstances. Reign it in, thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭linpoo


    To be honest when it happened, the more (I think) sensible side of me was thinking the dog never does this, and my son never watched him bite a bone before and so the dog doesn't want to hurt my son but is instinctively guarding the bone. Other than that my son and the dog always play together and the dog has a strange attachment to him for years now. My initial dealing with it is just to ensure they leave the dog alone when he's chewing on something like that.

    It's a tough decision and I know I'm going to lose sleep over it.

    When i was a child my nanny had a yorkshire and i got snapped at and nipped on the lips a few times. That doesnt mean a dog is agressive or likely to do that again. That dog never did it again and lived to old age.

    I them had a jack russel for 14 years and if i went near him when he was eating she would show his teeth and growl or if i put my foot near she would snap it.....doesnt make the dog agressive for protecting her food. This dog was great then with the kids that came along.


    There are ways of showing the dog that the kids are top of the pack if you google it you will find the information.....ive done it with my own dog.

    Please find the dog a home with adults only if you are insistent on getting rid. A snap is not a putting downable offence imo.

    Also the child needs a tetanus shot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    linpoo wrote: »
    When i was a child my nanny had a yorkshire and i got snapped at and nipped on the lips a few times. That doesnt mean a dog is agressive or likely to do that again. That dog never did it again and lived to old age.

    I them had a jack russel for 14 years and if i went near him when he was eating she would show his teeth and growl or if i put my foot near she would snap it.....doesnt make the dog agressive for protecting her food. This dog was great then with the kids that came along.


    There are ways of showing the dog that the kids are top of the pack if you google it you will find the information.....ive done it with my own dog.

    Please find the dog a home with adults only if you are insistent on getting rid. A snap is not a putting downable offence imo.

    Also the child needs a tetanus shot.


    Please, do not tell the OP to google how your kids need to be "top of the pack"
    Please, just No!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,734 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    I wouldn't trust any dog with a small child and I love dogs.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't give my dog any bones anymore because when he had them he was so aggressive. Didn't like anyone, including me, being anywhere near him when he had one.
    I don't go near him when he eats, I tell everyone else to stay away from him when he is eating.
    My dog would even growl at me when he had a bone, it's very high on their want list I think!
    Tell your kid to stay away when dog is eating. Should be grand


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 wolfie1968


    We have a 9 year old Westie. Once or twice over the years we gave him a bone. I approached him one time messing, trying to get the bone off him and he basically turned in to a completely different dog in seconds. They go back to their natural instincts and become very dangerous. Bones really bring out the vicious side of some dogs. Stick to the basic food.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭keepalive213


    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    I wouldn't trust any dog with a small child and I love dogs.

    Very true


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,459 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I’d have given it a good lash when it did bite if I witnessed it but that’s all.

    You have posted in this forum enough to know that advocating violence towards animals is not tolerated here under any circumstances. Reign it in, thanks

    Ah ya far better to sit the dog down and explain in its chosen language that it had in fact acted in a manner than was not acceptable. You could then finish the conversation by asking that they didn't do it again or if they did to make sure that they covered their arse by making sure that the child had at least ignored 3 warning signs because then there is not a court in the land that could put it to death.
    On no account use a little slap to reinforce the wrong doing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭linpoo


    Please, do not tell the OP to google how your kids need to be "top of the pack"
    Please, just No!!

    I didn't say the kid needs to be top of the pack. I said there are ways to show the dog they are i.e so that the dog knows they are at the bottom of the pecking order.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    mickdw wrote: »
    Ah ya far better to sit the dog down and explain in its chosen language that it had in fact acted in a manner than was not acceptable. You could then finish the conversation by asking that they didn't do it again or if they did to make sure that they covered their arse by making sure that the child had at least ignored 3 warning signs because then there is not a court in the land that could put it to death.
    On no account use a little slap to reinforce the wrong doing.

    This forum will not be used as a medium for people to advocate hitting dogs. It's very clear in the charter. If you'd prefer a more hard-handed approach was taken, by all means communicate this via your own blog or a forum that permits it. But not here.
    Another clear rule of this forum, which I helpfully posted in a mod warning earlier this evening, is that posters are required to be respectful towards one another, even if they don't agree with each other. Not only is your sarcasm completely wide of this mark, your smartarsery in response to a mod warning just goes beyond the beyond.
    Don't post in this thread again.
    Thanks
    DBB


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    we had an incident like this with our jack Russell years ago when our daughtet was young.
    she survived and we were willing to accept that it was a flaw in his character that we ,including the kids, were willing to live with and we were always aware that it had a possibility of happening again so avoided situations where it could occur.

    it never stopped us loving him and feeling great sadness when he died of heart disease 4 years ago. we talk about him often and remember him with love. our family pet. our choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    Most dog owners are bad dog owners.

    Sad but true.

    The fact this happened once means you're not fit to own a dog.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    antix80 wrote: »
    Most dog owners are bad dog owners.

    Sad but true.

    The fact this happened once means you're not fit to own a dog.

    There have been a few posts throughout telling the op that they shouldn't own a dog. This breaches the rule about being respectful towards other posters and is really quite a hurtful thing to say.
    So. Let this be the last such post.
    Thanks,
    DBB


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,908 ✭✭✭acequion


    I'm just horrified at the knee jerk completely over the top reaction of some posters wanting the animal destroyed because it was doing what an animal does, guarding its territory. If that's the case no children should ever be around animals as dogs may bite and cats may scratch. But deprive a child of the pleasure of a pet and you deprive them of something deeply enriching.

    OP,it's your call if you don't feel comfortable keeping the dog, but for the love of god don't have the poor creature killed over this!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Folks, we're going to lock this thread until the morning, when we'll consider our options re re-opening it.
    Thanks,
    DBB


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