Covid 19 PUP - Self-Employed only

HereinBray · 31-07-2020 5:53pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Confused, approved and then disallowed??

Me too!!!!

My original application was approved yesterday. When I called the helpline before it was approved I was advised to submit another application. This is the one that has now been Disallowed.

Yesterday I was able to see that I was eligible for the payment - not so today.

Sick of the whole flipping thing to be honest.

HIB

Dempo1 · 31-07-2020 5:58pm

HereinBray wrote: »

Me too!!!!

My original application was approved yesterday. When I called the helpline before it was approved I was advised to submit another application. This is the one that has now been Disallowed.

Yesterday I was able to see that I was eligible for the payment - not so today.

Sick of the whole flipping thing to be honest.

HIB

It's an absolute disgrace, will they won't they? It's seem they make decisions on a whim, just awful to put people through this. I was hoping the new update re 2019 would help people. Just hoping it's an error and keeping fingers crossed for you

HereinBray · 31-07-2020 6:02pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

It's an absolute disgrace, will they won't they? It's seem they make decisions on a whim, just awful to put people through this. I was hoping the new update re 2019 would help people. Just hoping it's an error and keeping fingers crossed for you

My contact just got back to me - they have re-allowed (even a word!) my claim.

Apparently the system isn't recognising my PRSI contributions.

Hopefully I'll see the money in my account next week......

Thanks

HIB

Dempo1 · 31-07-2020 6:08pm

HereinBray wrote: »

My contact just got back to me - they have re-allowed (even a word!) my claim.

Apparently the system isn't recognising my PRSI contributions.

Hopefully I'll see the money in my account next week......

Thanks

HIB

Mother of God, its almost like there trying to wind up people, but delighted for you, well done for the perseverance, have a less stressful and nice long weekend

Just a thought, payment files sent on Thursday for payment so might be another week so don't panic

mp22 · 01-08-2020 1:35pm

Yes posts have been deleted...I`sure you all know why.....

Back on topic please

kingbhome · 02-08-2020 9:04am

Hello, if one is on covid19 payment of 350 per week self employed but is in 2 minds to go back to work. Has been staying off because of throat infections, other issues that if covid19 was got, could really effect them more. Has the potential of a small job to go to but is worried if they come off for just one job, will they be able to cliam again if a second wave comes or will they not be eligible again. Have seen something posted about people not being able to cliam after a certain date!

Dempo1 · 02-08-2020 9:14am

kingbhome wrote: »

Hello, if one is on covid19 payment of 350 per week self employed but is in 2 minds to go back to work. Has been staying off because of throat infections, other issues that if covid19 was got, could really effect them more. Has the potential of a small job to go to but is worried if they come off for just one job, will they be able to cliam again if a second wave comes or will they not be eligible again. Have seen something posted about people not being able to cliam after a certain date!

Morning, on looking at the updated rules, you may have to close payment, even for a small job but it says you can reapply but keep in mind no new claims after 17th September will be processed, I guess it's really down to a decision on will a once off job be worth it, close claim and go through process to claim again before 17th September, keep in mind also, payment is reducing also in September. Good luck

ATC110 · 02-08-2020 9:26am

Dempo1 wrote: »

Morning, on looking at the updated rules, you may have to close payment, even for a small job but it says you can reapply but keep in mind no new claims after 17th September will be processed, I guess it's really down to a decision on will a once off job be worth it, close claim and go through process to claim again before 17th September, keep in mind also, payment is reducing also in September. Good luck

On gov.ie it states “ You may, if your trading income has collapsed to the extent that you are available to take up other full-time employment if it was offered to you, receive a payment for so long as you are available to take up other work”

This reads that you can still have some trading income and be in receipt of the PUP so if that applies then the rules are not being breached?

Dempo1 · 02-08-2020 9:36am

ATC110 wrote: »

On gov.ie it states “ You may, if your trading income has collapsed to the extent that you are available to take up other full-time employment if it was offered to you, receive a payment for so long as you are available to take up other work”

This reads that you can still have some trading income and be in receipt of the PUP so if that applies then the rules are not being breached?

Morning, yes I saw that but the ambiguity seems to arise when they refer to actively seeking work, fully unemployed, I guess my reading of it is the fully unemployed bit and I could be wrong, I found this below, scroll down to rules etc Recent update

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/covid19_pandemic_unemployment_payment.html

ATC110 · 02-08-2020 10:07am

Dempo1 wrote: »

Morning, yes I saw that but the ambiguity seems to arise when they refer to actively seeking work, fully unemployed, I guess my reading of it is the fully unemployed bit and I could be wrong, I found this below, scroll down to rules etc Recent update

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/covid19_pandemic_unemployment_payment.html

I don’t see where it mentions “fully employed” and not sure of the context you’re referring to it?

Dempo1 · 02-08-2020 10:20am

ATC110 wrote: »

I don’t see where it mentions “fully employed” and not sure of the context you’re referring to it?

Apologies, typo, Fully Unemployed

HereinBray · 05-08-2020 1:09pm

HereinBray wrote: »

They didn't say - I'll let you know when it hits the bank account (fingers crossed!)

Hi All,

Money hit my account this morning! The higher rate.

HIB

Dempo1 · 05-08-2020 1:17pm

HereinBray wrote: »

Hi All,

Money hit my account this morning! The higher rate.

HIB

Delighted for you

HereinBray · 05-08-2020 1:21pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Delighted for you

Thank you so much.

I have to say that you're a great asset to this thread - thanks for all your help!

amd1982 · 05-08-2020 2:27pm

HereinBray wrote: »

Hi All,

Money hit my account this morning! The higher rate.

HIB

That’s brilliant

mp22 · 05-08-2020 10:32pm

thread closed

mp22 · 06-08-2020 7:04pm

Thread reopened.........I trust that we will not have any further reasons to close it again

MP22

Snow_White1987 · 06-08-2020 8:50pm

HereinBray wrote: »

Hi All,

Money hit my account this morning! The higher rate.

HIB

Fantastic news!

Snow_White1987 · 06-08-2020 8:53pm

ATC110 wrote: »

On gov.ie it states “ You may, if your trading income has collapsed to the extent that you are available to take up other full-time employment if it was offered to you, receive a payment for so long as you are available to take up other work”

This reads that you can still have some trading income and be in receipt of the PUP so if that applies then the rules are not being breached?

This is still what it says on gov.ie under the self-employed section – even after it's been updated – so this is what I go by.

If you have a minuscule bit of work as self-employed that in no way amounts to a regular income so personally, I would leave the claim as is. You'll pay tax on everything – earnings and the PUP – and if you have no income coming in and your claim is closed, I've heard it's impossible to get it re-opened.

Dempo1 · 06-08-2020 9:04pm

Snow_White1987 wrote: »

This is still what it says on gov.ie under the self-employed section – even after it's been updated – so this is what I go by.

If you have a minuscule bit of work as self-employed that in no way amounts to a regular income so personally, I would leave the claim as is. You'll pay tax on everything – earnings and the PUP – and if you have no income coming in and your claim is closed, I've heard it's impossible to get it re-opened.

Hi there, yes I think your both right, Heather Humphries was interviewed on the news at one and was grilled about a few things but she clearly stated the self employed can take up one off, small jobs without their claim be affected.

There maybe be a podcast of the show if anyone wants to listen back

Try this, about half way through
https://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/share/radio1/21814571

06-08-2020 10:28pm

HereinBray wrote: »

Hi All,

Money hit my account this morning! The higher rate.

HIB

Delighted to hear that!

06-08-2020 10:33pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Hi there, yes I think your both right, Heather Humphries was interviewed on the news at one and was grilled about a few things but she clearly stated the self employed can take up one off, small jobs without their claim be affected.

There maybe be a podcast of the show if anyone wants to listen back

Try this, about half way through
https://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/share/radio1/21814571

For anyone going down this road, tread lightly, the Dept. of SW aren't known for their generosity or flexibilty. I also heard that on the radio and it's so ill defined, what's a small amount of work/money, I'm sure it's many things to many different people.

Dempo1 · 07-08-2020 7:09am

64869923 wrote: »

For anyone going down this road, tread lightly, the Dept. of SW aren't known for their generosity or flexibilty. I also heard that on the radio and it's so ill defined, what's a small amount of work/money, I'm sure it's many things to many different people.

Agreed and this was my initial worry 'I don't like the "fully unemployed" rule still listed " the Minister seems to be suggesting, contact your local intero centre before taking up a small job as such, but the cynic in me thinks this could lead to more trouble than its worth. Its a tough one

California Dreamer · 09-08-2020 9:45pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Agreed and this was my initial worry 'I don't like the "fully unemployed" rule still listed " the Minister seems to be suggesting, contact your local intero centre before taking up a small job as such, but the cynic in me thinks this could lead to more trouble than its worth. Its a tough one

Say nothing and worry about it when you have to do your 2020 tax NEXT YEAR!

torrevieja · 10-08-2020 2:49am

The weekly amount will be reduced from September 17th 2020 .
The new PUP top rate of €350 will be reduced to €300 from Sept 17th . This amount will only be paid to those who were earning more than €300 per week before the pandemic.

Those who earned between €200 and €300 a week pre-Covid will see their pandemic payment reduced to €250 a week .

Claimants who earned less than €200 per week prior to the pandemic are currently on PUP of €203 a week . This will remain at €203.

So My question is ""Earning More than €300 a Week is that Classed as Gross Pay Or Net Pay""?

10-08-2020 6:05pm

I supplied requested details to the PUP Rerate on 10/07 and I have yet to hear anything back. I've called the DEASP numerous times and although pleasant the people on the phone haven't got much information nor do they have access to the people in the know, other than through email.

I'm going to call the Minister's office tomorrow and get in contact with a local TD. Does anyone think there is anything else I could do?

HereinBray · 11-08-2020 9:11am

64869923 wrote: »

I supplied requested details to the PUP Rerate on 10/07 and I have yet to hear anything back. I've called the DEASP numerous times and although pleasant the people on the phone haven't got much information nor do they have access to the people in the know, other than through email.

I'm going to call the Minister's office tomorrow and get in contact with a local TD. Does anyone think there is anything else I could do?

That was going to be my next plan of attack.

When I called - I was advised that my original request was disallowed - which seems put it in a closed status. The helpline suggested I submit another request. I don't know if that flagged my original one - but the original request was allowed within an hour. Maybe that might work? Fingers crossed for you.

On another note - I received my back money overnight.

Thanks

HIB

amd1982 · 12-08-2020 8:49am

64869923 wrote: »

I supplied requested details to the PUP Rerate on 10/07 and I have yet to hear anything back. I've called the DEASP numerous times and although pleasant the people on the phone haven't got much information nor do they have access to the people in the know, other than through email.

I'm going to call the Minister's office tomorrow and get in contact with a local TD. Does anyone think there is anything else I could do?

Same here I contacted the Ministers office Monday and recieved an acknowledgment email and case number more than the PUP Rerate section. I haven’t not heard of anybody who’s had their appeal successful I think it’s definitely been put on the long finger

12-08-2020 3:50pm

amd1982 wrote: »

Same here I contacted the Ministers office Monday and recieved an acknowledgment email and case number more than the PUP Rerate section. I haven’t not heard of anybody who’s had their appeal successful I think it’s definitely been put on the long finger

Thank you for responding. I don't know a soul in the same situation and have yet to hear of any success stories. I'm assuming you made above the threshold, after expenses and other costs.

I was on to the TD's secretary and was told they would send an email, it's just a wait and see situation.

I'm assuming that the people still waiting for a response are the people most likely to get the full rate reinstated.

Dempo1 · 12-08-2020 4:05pm

64869923 wrote: »

Thank you for responding. I don't know a soul in the same situation and have yet to hear of any success stories. I'm assuming you made above the threshold, after expenses and other costs.

I was on to the TD's secretary and was told they would send an email, it's just a wait and see situation.

I'm assuming that the people still waiting for a response are the people most likely to get the full rate reinstated.

I'm sure there was some successful appeals in this thread?

12-08-2020 6:38pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

I'm sure there was some successful appeals in this thread?

Nope.

ATCC10 - refused
SnowWhite - refused
theglobe - didn't inform us of they were successful/unsuccessful
stinkbomb - didn't inform us of they were successful/unsuccessful
pickneary - didn't inform us of they were successful/unsuccessful
torrvieja - didn't inform us of they were successful/unsuccessfu
amd1982 - still awaiting a response
64869923 - still awaiting a response

HereInBray was appealing the decision to receive the payment, they never even got to the stage where they may or may not have been downgraded from €350 to €203.

Dempo1 · 12-08-2020 6:45pm

64869923 wrote: »

Nope.

ATCC10 - refused
SnowWhite - refused
theglobe - didn't inform us of they were successful/unsuccessful
stinkbomb - didn't inform us of they were successful/unsuccessful
pickneary - didn't inform us of they were successful/unsuccessful
torrvieja - didn't inform us of they were successful/unsuccessfu
amd1982 - still awaiting a response
64869923 - still awaiting a response

HereInBray was appealing the decision to receive the payment, they never even got to the stage where they may or may not have been downgraded from €350 to €203.

Apologies, I was sure HereinBray was successful and one other, so basically its 2 refused and the remainder still waiting, I also thought some were submitting 2019 detail as per new criteria, sorry, I was just thinking check back on thread see if anything was missed re appeal.

mallowgarry · 13-08-2020 8:16pm

PAYE Employed 2018, earned €510 a week, Self Employed 2019, earned €275 per week. Sent in Revenue Assessment of Earnings with my PUP Appeal, and was told according to the criteria, I earned Zero since 2018, therefore sine 7 July, I'm getting €203 per week.

Appealed to the Social Welfare Appeals office, and was told you cannot appeal the PUP payment.

Thanks to Mystic for that link. On the basis of the Ministers speech, I immediately re-Appealed to the PUP Rerate email, heard nothing back.

I also appealed to the Ombudsman, and have received a reply telling me I need to exhaust all other avenues of appeal before they will get involved. They have kindly sent me the following address:

Covid 19 Unemployment Payments Appeals
PO Box 12896
Dublin 1

Keep trying. According to the Minister, I am owed over €1000 in backpayments and it's going to be a long Winter

torrevieja · 14-08-2020 7:40pm

Just checking folks is the Covid payment dropping in September from €350 to €300 As I'm hearing now you have to have €300 a week ,or u only get €250 big drop

is that Gross or net is this correct ?

Lot people will be effected if it is
That's.

Dempo1 · 14-08-2020 8:16pm

torrevieja wrote: »

Just checking folks is the Covid payment dropping in September from €350 to €300 As I'm hearing now you have to have €300 a week ,or u only get €250 big drop

is that Gross or net is this correct ?

Lot people will be effected if it is
That's.

Hi there,

Yes it will be a big drop, below the details.

Rate Changes from 17 September 2020
From 17 September 2020 until 31 January 2021 the Pandemic Unemployment Payment will be paid at 3 rates.

The rate you receive will depend on the amount you used to get paid:

if you earned less than €200 per week - the rate of the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment will be €203 per week.

if you earned between €200 and €300 per week - the rate of the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment will be €250 per week

if you earned over €300 per week - you will receive €300 per week

torrevieja · 14-08-2020 8:19pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Hi there,

Yes it will be a big drop, below the details.

Rate Changes from 17 September 2020
From 17 September 2020 until 31 January 2021 the Pandemic Unemployment Payment will be paid at 3 rates.

The rate you receive will depend on the amount you used to get paid:

if you earned less than €200 per week - the rate of the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment will be €203 per week.

if you earned between €200 and €300 per week - the rate of the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment will be €250 per week

if you earned over €300 per week - you will receive €300 per week

Thanks Dempo so is that Gross earnings or nett earnings ?

Dempo1 · 14-08-2020 8:23pm

torrevieja wrote: »

Thanks Dempo so is that Gross earnings or nett earnings ?

I'm assuming it's based on net earnings as PUP not taxed at source , but not sure? Anyone else know??

mallowgarry · 15-08-2020 12:10pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

I'm assuming it's based on net earnings as PUP not taxed at source , but not sure? Anyone else know??

It will be Nett as determined by Revenue Assessment of Earnings.
Spoke with DEASP during the week. I didn't earn anything for six months in 2019 due to injury, signed for Jobseekers Credits during that period.
All my earnings were in the last six months of 2019, but the criteria are again narrowed and they are taking a 52 week average, irrespective of circumstance. That drops me to €275 per week, so I will lose out on COVID payments when the bands change in September.

Snow_White1987 · 15-08-2020 4:57pm

Has anyone heard if they are still cutting the PUP payments for essential travel abroad? A few people have messaged me asking saying they are terrified to go near an airport (even though they will be fully self-isolating when they return) as a result of what when on a couple of weeks ago....

It’s so wrong to put this fear in people!

I presume it’s died down since all the media attention on it but just wanted to see if anyone else had heard anything on it...

Dempo1 · 15-08-2020 5:30pm

Snow_White1987 wrote: »

Has anyone heard if they are still cutting the PUP payments for essential travel abroad? A few people have messaged me asking saying they are terrified to go near an airport (even though they will be fully self-isolating when they return) as a result of what when on a couple of weeks ago....

It’s so wrong to put this fear in people!

I presume it’s died down since all the media attention on it but just wanted to see if anyone else had heard anything on it...

I've responded in other thread but yes to green list countries, No to none green list basically, 2 weeks permitted

ATC110 · 17-08-2020 6:20pm

I'm hearing a lot about eligibility confirmation for the PUP and last Friday 14th August being the deadline.

I confirmed my eligibility on 1st July and was not asked to confirm it again.

Was a second confirmation required?

Dempo1 · 17-08-2020 6:23pm

ATC110 wrote: »

I'm hearing a lot about eligibility confirmation for the PUP and last Friday 14th August being the deadline.

I confirmed my eligibility on 1st July and was not asked to confirm it again.

Was a second confirmation required?

No, don't panic, I thought the same thing, confirmed on 1st July, log into your mywelfare check still awarded, check payment details, it's updated on a weekly basis.

I truly find it hard to believe 28k have not confirmed eligibility, more spin I suspect

ATC110 · 17-08-2020 6:28pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

log into your mywelfare check still awarded, check payment details, it's updated on a weekly basis.

It states "AWARDED" in the yellow coloured banner - is that what you mean?

LillySV · 17-08-2020 6:29pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

I've responded in other thread but yes to green list countries, No to none green list basically, 2 weeks permitted

Minister said this will be the case once she gets legislation in place ... has that actually happened yet? The pandemic payment is an emergency payment that gave no entitlement to Holiday pay...

Dempo1 · 17-08-2020 6:36pm

ATC110 wrote: »

It states "AWARDED" in the yellow coloured banner - is that what you mean?

Yes that's it, if suspended, closed it would say so, check payment history also, you'll see payment for this week, in arrears of course

ATC110 · 17-08-2020 6:39pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Yes that's it, if suspended, closed it would say so, check payment history also, you'll see payment for this week, in arrears of course

The latest detail is:

11 AUGUST 2020
COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment
31 Jul 2020 - 06 Aug 2020

Is that up to date?

Dempo1 · 17-08-2020 6:41pm

ATC110 wrote: »

The latest detail is:

11 AUGUST 2020
COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment
31 Jul 2020 - 06 Aug 2020

Is that up to date?

Yes, a little confusing but fine

Also, I took screenshot of message confirming I confirmed etc etc

Snow_White1987 · 17-08-2020 6:57pm

I don’t have access to that part on welfare.ie as I’m still waiting in my Public Services Card but even though I confirmed eligibility back in July (it also says in my inbox on welfare.ie that I confirmed it), it does make me slightly nervous...

Look at this: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/almost-28-000-lose-eligibility-for-pandemic-unemployment-payment-1.4332440?mode=amp

Surely that many couldn’t have left confirming at the risk of their claims closing? I’m just hoping they haven’t closed random accounts unnecessarily!

ATC110 · 17-08-2020 6:58pm

Snow_White1987 wrote: »

I don’t have access to that part on welfare.ie as I’m still waiting in my Public Services Card but even though I confirmed eligibility back in July (it also says in my inbox on welfare.ie that I confirmed it), it does make me slightly nervous...

Look at this: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/almost-28-000-lose-eligibility-for-pandemic-unemployment-payment-1.4332440?mode=amp

Surely that many couldn’t have left confirming? I’m just hoping they haven’t closed random accounts unnecessarily!

I saw that article and it does seem bizarre that so many would not have confirmed

Dempo1 · 17-08-2020 7:05pm

Snow_White1987 wrote: »

I don’t have access to that part on welfare.ie as I’m still waiting in my Public Services Card but even though I confirmed eligibility back in July (it also says in my inbox on welfare.ie that I confirmed it), it does make me slightly nervous...

Look at this: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/almost-28-000-lose-eligibility-for-pandemic-unemployment-payment-1.4332440?mode=amp

Surely that many couldn’t have left confirming at the risk of their claims closing? I’m just hoping they haven’t closed random accounts unnecessarily!

O, didn't realise basic accounts don't have access full access, but you can see approved? and see your messages?, you'll be fine, I recall we posted about that. Can you see payment history? Honestly don't worry, once you have to message conf you confirmed, all good

Covid 19 PUP - Self-Employed only

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