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  • #102
    Willfarman
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    AP2014 wrote: »
    I bought ones like the Roscommon lads there for €800 in March, not great quality. Had the vet TB testing 2 weeks ago and he said I would be giving €950 for them then, 6 weeks later. Madness.

    Hopefully the craziness lasts until November, March and November are the two months prices matter to me.

    I think it will be a lot dearer this November than last anyway that's all I can say. 2014 bullocks are genuinely scarce I think.


  • #103
    Farmer Pudsey
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    I think it will be a lot dearer this November than last anyway that's all I can say. 2014 bullocks are genuinely scarce I think.

    Bullock kill is up 16% compared to this time last year. There was 100K more cattle that age around last year. 2-3 year old cattle will get very scarse as the year goes on. The kill is very high considering the cow kill is way down by 33% and bulls 50% year to date.


  • #104
    AP2014
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    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Bullock kill is up 16% compared to this time last year. There was 100K more cattle that age around last year. 2-3 year old cattle will get very scarse as the year goes on. The kill is very high considering the cow kill is way down by 33% and bulls 50% year to date.

    I have 5 or 6 to squeeze yet, would I be as well off leave them? Would they be hard sold in November?


  • #105
    Willfarman
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    A lot more customers for bullocks usually.


  • #106
    CloughCasey1
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    I think it will be a lot dearer this November than last anyway that's all I can say. 2014 bullocks are genuinely scarce I think.

    Hopefully anyway. There is still some value to be got but it's more to do with luck than trend. The big glut or reared calves this year due to the quota wasn't as big as forecasted either.


  • #107
    Farmer Pudsey
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    CloughCasey1 wrote: »
    Hopefully anyway. There is still some value to be got but it's more to do with luck than trend. The big glut or reared calves this year due to the quota wasn't as big as forecasted either.

    there was still 100K more calves born than last year. As well exports are back about 30K I think. 2017 is looking fairly sh!tty


  • #108
    Hershall
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    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    there was still 100K more calves born than last year. As well exports are back about 30K I think. 2017 is looking fairly sh!tty

    Id say last year was mild compared to what factories will do in 2017.


  • #109
    Cavanjack
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    What is the trade like for heavy weanling bulls (>400kg)? Don't be at too many marts but see on journal heavy lads seem to be better value per kg than lighter ones. Would buying these type to kill this time next year leave a few pound?


  • #110
    Farmer Pudsey
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    Cavanjack wrote: »
    What is the trade like for heavy weanling bulls (>400kg)? Don't be at too many marts but see on journal heavy lads seem to be better value per kg than lighter ones. Would buying these type to kill this time next year leave a few pound?

    Any animal will leave a few pounds or even euro's provided you do not pay too much for them.


  • #111
    Willfarman
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    The good qaulity Bulls would be a good punt if you have finances and facilities. They wouldn't have near the lift in price that the plainer middle of the road Bulls have got. 350kg at 1000 be potentially 470kg carcass Bulls worth 2000 this time next year. Qaulity and age are of upmost importance.


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  • #112
    Farmer Pudsey
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    The good qaulity Bulls would be a good punt if you have finances and facilities. They wouldn't have near the lift in price that the plainer middle of the road Bulls have got. 350kg at 1100 be potentially 470kg carcass Bulls worth 2000 this time next year. Qaulity and age are of upmost importance.

    Do not think you would be paying much more (if anything) for a bull a 100kgs heavier. I be more inclined to buy them and finish for Dec/Jan. A bull killing 470kgs will be near enough or over 800kgs LW. Yoyu have to put 450+kgs LW on them. Price for Dec/Jan are often as good as May price. Bull may only kill 400 kgs but you are only putting on 250kgs. Always found that the most money out of shed cattle was made on Dec/Jan Cattle.


  • #113
    Willfarman
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    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Do not think you would be paying much more (if anything) for a bull a 100kgs heavier. I be more inclined to buy them and finish for Dec/Jan. A bull killing 470kgs will be near enough or over 800kgs LW. Yoyu have to put 450+kgs LW on them. Price for Dec/Jan are often as good as May price. Bull may only kill 400 kgs but you are only putting on 250kgs. Always found that the most money out of shed cattle was made on Dec/Jan Cattle.

    Hard to graze them big boys though and near impossible to buy them and group them without em murdering one another. The boys that you can graze till September put up a Lor o weight very cheap. I seen Bulls under 16 mths dying o 450 to 490 kg deadweight. Homebred lims out of humongous char and lim cows but you would pick up similar qaulity in marts.

    But i do agree that dec jan cattle leave the most money a lot of years


  • #114
    Willfarman
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    I will try note a few prices in mart today if the type are in it and be interesting get you to do up detailed budget see would they work out.


  • #115
    Cavanjack
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    I will try note a few prices in mart today if the type are in it and be interesting get you to do up detailed budget see would they work out.
    Would be interested in what yourself or Pudsey would estimate it would cost to carry the heavier lads to finish and would there be a margin. Was thinking of chancing a dozen or so of them to see how they would fare out. Usually keep bucket reared stock here so wouldn't know what sort of weight gain I could get off these over a year.


  • #116
    Farmer Pudsey
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    Cavanjack wrote: »
    Would be interested in what yourself or Pudsey would estimate it would cost to carry the heavier lads to finish and would there be a margin. Was thinking of chancing a dozen or so of them to see how they would fare out. Usually keep bucket reared stock here so wouldn't know what sort of weight gain I could get off these over a year.

    It all depends on what you pay for ration and how you value silage. You would have to try to buy them as a bunch off the land or over one day in a mart as they can be less likly to fight after a spin. If bought 1st june 120 days at grass at 50c/day. 120 kgs of ration over last 6 weeks at grass. Housed October 1st. 110 day to finish feeding ad lib good silage and 1.2 tons of ration. Dosing, mart, factory fees, vet, possible losses(15-20/head average) transport. around 450 euro.


  • #117
    Willfarman
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    April 13 decant red lim Bulls 6 of. Sold singly. 435kg to 455kg one buyer from Midlands factory. 1050ish one with the other. Only comparable smaller Bulls belonged to a dealer. Top qaulity charolais. Certain u grade Imo. October 14 born. 310 kgGroup of 6 in his herd 4 days all out of same herd. Unsold but was trying to find a victim at 920+.. If you could buy them where he bought them!!


  • #118
    Willfarman
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    The heavier lads would have to come off grass early September at latest unless you meet an extremely dry time and meal feed them meal outdoors. A formidable task. 100 days grass. €50. Transport commission and a dose €25. 3 months good silage and avg 7kg meal @ €2.20 a day.€200. 70 days intensive meal @ 3.75 day €262. Won't talk about broken legs pissers or losses!! € 537+ cost€1050 stand you € 1587

    750kgs live weight? Kill out at 57% 430kgs carcass early February. 4.20€ a kg be €1800ish.

    Yearling bullocks returned to mart in autumn leave the same turn minus the hassle??


  • #119
    AP2014
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    The heavier lads would have to come off grass early September at latest unless you meet an extremely dry time and meal feed them meal outdoors. A formidable task. 100 days grass. €50. Transport commission and a dose €25. 3 months good silage and avg 7kg meal @ €2.20 a day.€200. 70 days intensive meal @ 3.75 day €262. Won't talk about broken legs pissers or losses!! € 537+ cost€1050 stand you € 1587

    750kgs live weight? Kill out at 57% 430kgs carcass early February. 4.20€ a kg be €1800ish.

    Yearling bullocks returned to mart in autumn leave the same turn minus the hassle??

    I'll let ya know in November. I have 20 bought at €800 and 5 at €850. Took me a while to get them and few very average ones.


  • #120
    Willfarman
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    AP2014 wrote: »
    I'll let ya know in November. I have 20 bought at €800 and 5 at €850. Took me a while to get them and few very average ones.

    What weights?


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  • #121
    AP2014
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    What weights?

    Don't have exact weights but they were very light bullocks around 280kg...5 were around the 320kg and cost the 850. All very average cattle.


  • #122
    Willfarman
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    AP2014 wrote: »
    Don't have exact weights but they were very light bullocks around 280kg...5 were around the 320kg and cost the 850. All very average cattle.

    Hard to pick up anything any less in money.


  • #123
    AP2014
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    Hard to pick up anything any less in money.

    I was on the verge of going for a few aax or hex but dealer managed to get another load of continentals a few weeks ago. He was surprised he got them himself, said it was hell to buy them. Be interesting to see how they do compared to last year which was a great year for my kinda system.


  • #124
    Miname
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    I was in carnaross tonight and have to say I thought light stores were well back in price. Plenty of 350kg Bulls for 850.


  • #125
    Cavanjack
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    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    It all depends on what you pay for ration and how you value silage. You would have to try to buy them as a bunch off the land or over one day in a mart as they can be less likly to fight after a spin. If bought 1st june 120 days at grass at 50c/day. 120 kgs of ration over last 6 weeks at grass. Housed October 1st. 110 day to finish feeding ad lib good silage and 1.2 tons of ration. Dosing, mart, factory fees, vet, possible losses(15-20/head average) transport. around 450 euro.
    Out of curiosity How do you value grass at 50c a day?


  • #126
    Willfarman
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    Late Autumn 14 Bulls 280 kg @ say €900 good shapey export type nice lads if you got em for it.. Graze until November. Say €60 for grass. €.35 for commission transport and dose. 3 months silage and avg 7 kg meal @2.20 a day. €264. 1. Month on 10 kg meal high maize meal and silage @ €3 a day. €90. 2 months ad lib@ 3.75 a day. €225. Assume 420kg of gain @ 1.5 kg day. 700 kg ko of 60% 420 kg @. €4.50 a kg carcass under 16 months on grid. € 1890. - 1574 = €316 gross.

    Figures and system Loosely based on a suckler friends recently killed Bulls. Might be hard come by similar quality stock though.


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  • #127
    Farmer Pudsey
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    Cavanjack wrote: »
    Out of curiosity How do you value grass at 50c a day?

    Have always costed grass at that for last 3-4 years. It is not like silage where grass will grow grass. Just when it is starting to get going you are grazing it. Them heavy bulls will tear ground as well. Say the average 480kgs for grazing season then they will require an average of 10kgs of DM/day. Even allowing for it to reduce as you feed meal for last 6 week at grass you will still average 9kgs DM/day over the season. allow for it 4.5c/kg of DM not an exact science but near enough.

    On an acre of land over an 220 day grazing season would 120 euro cover Fertlizer , fencing reseeding etc, etc, etc


  • #128
    Cavanjack
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    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Have always costed grass at that for last 3-4 years. It is not like silage where grass will grow grass. Just when it is starting to get going you are grazing it. Them heavy bulls will tear ground as well. Say the average 480kgs for grazing season then they will require an average of 10kgs of DM/day. Even allowing for it to reduce as you feed meal for last 6 week at grass you will still average 9kgs DM/day over the season. allow for it 4.5c/kg of DM not an exact science but near enough.

    On an acre of land over an 220 day grazing season would 120 euro cover Fertlizer , fencing reseeding etc, etc, etc
    Is it necessary to feed meal to these type Bulls for the last 6 weeks at grass?


  • #129
    Farmer Pudsey
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    Late Autumn 14 Bulls 280 kg @ say €900 good shapey export type nice lads if you got em for it.. Graze until November. Say €60 for grass. €.35 for commission transport and dose. 3 months silage and avg 7 kg meal @2.20 a day. €264. 1. Month on 10 kg meal high maize meal and silage @ €3 a day. €90. 2 months ad lib@ 3.75 a day. €225. Assume 420kg of gain @ 1.5 kg day. 700 kg ko of 60% 420 kg @. €4.50 a kg carcass under 16 months on grid. € 1890. - 1574 = €316 gross.

    Figures and system Loosely based on a suckler friends recently killed Bulls. Might be hard come by similar quality stock though.

    If late autunm bulls , I presume that they will be Nov/Dec born under this regime they will be 17/18 months at slaughter so outside 16 month grid. Know a few farmers that kill sub 16 month on the griod and 360kg DW seems to be near enough the max and averaging a little over 340kgs. I had one once that killed over 400kgs sub 16 months a few years back but he was an exceptional animal. Very few bulls kill 60% IMO most are back 56ish%, Would be very hard to source such quality bulls.

    Cavanjack wrote: »
    Is it necessary to feed meal to these type Bulls for the last 6 weeks at grass?


    Yes if you want to finish Dec/Jan. You want them soft going into the shed Oct 1st. I even feed them 8-10 weeks if I could. It is the cheapest weight gain you will put on them. Expect them on 3kgs and good grass to be doing 1.2+kgs/day. Also at in the two weeks before housing bui;ld them up to 5-6 kgs outside, when housed as there is minimal change in diet they will continue to power ahead.


  • #130
    Willfarman
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    Good quality under 16 mth Bulls are regularly killing 60%. But yes it is probably hard enough to source these as the exporters have it sewn up. My friends Bulls were early spring born. Housed and fed since last October. But yes to get late autumn bull finished under 16 mths. Would need start meal on grass and straight in on ad lib. Back to drawing board!

    The Bulls I seen had access to 72 dad silage and high maize meal baled silage and avg 10 kg meal a day until silage ran out. Shot up to 14kg when offerd only straw. But ko and weight for age was amazing.


  • #131
    Willfarman
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    November born Bulls now 280 kg. say €900. Graze till November. 3 kg meal from 1st August. €64. Grass meal dose commission transport. €95. 6 weeks silage and avg 8 kg meal.@ €.2.75 day €115. Ad lib high maize meal meal and straw 90 days. 3.75 day say €375 give or take. Say 400 kg carcass. @. 4.50kg Is €1800.. Minus € 1550 be €250 gross.

    These would be manageable bulls for the grazing period. Easier on the land the fences the farmer and there'd be the option of continuing to feed as your not constrained by the age of them come spring if there happened to be a rising market and no worries about upper carcass limits.


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  • #132
    AP2014
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    Hopefully it lasts another 4 months anyway never mind 18 months.

    http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/its-frightening-what-people-are-giving-for-cattle-at-the-moment/


  • #133
    restive
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    Has the recent price pull by factories had any impact on mart prices?


  • #134
    Farmer Pudsey
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    restive wrote: »
    Has the recent price pull by factories had any impact on mart prices?


    No


  • #135
    I said
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    restive wrote: »
    Has the recent price pull by factories had any impact on mart prices?

    Yes ballymahon was a disaster check farmersforum.ie for results.
    Results not up yet anything over 600kgs struggled to get 2€ a kg


  • #136
    mahoney_j
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    500 kg fleshy hol fr bullocks born feb mar 14 ,.2 Euro kg still achievable in mart for them ??


  • #137
    Farmer Pudsey
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    I said wrote: »
    Yes ballymahon was a disaster check farmersforum.ie for results.
    Results not up yet anything over 600kgs struggled to get 2€ a kg

    In two marts yesterday and Wednesday, Friesians 500kgs + were not far off 2/kg. Herefords 600kgs were 2.1/kg+, saw no Contenintals as was only in one place for 40 minutes and there was none at the other mart.

    Lighter Fr 450 kgs good quality 860, poorer quality 420, 30 months of age 700 euro. Herefords 18 months 330kgs 880 euro. What amazed me was the ringside was empty enough I could have got a spot myself

    Cows looked Ok up to 550 kgs 50+&- there weight. Anything that has no calf registered sold better than heifers. Heavier cows were in demand. However another thing that was curious was stockbulls selling for the equivlent of 3.3/kg DW and ones that could be fed on were selling very well as well.


  • #138
    Farmer Pudsey
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    500 kg fleshy hol fr bullocks born feb mar 14 ,.2 Euro kg still achievable in mart for them ??

    March 13 Fr 2/kg. Bargain of the day was a few 740 kg Ho Fr sold for nearly 1350. They were Feb12-March '13. There were the only real value I saw accross the two marts.


  • #139
    CHOPS01
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    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    In two marts yesterday and Wednesday, Friesians 500kgs + were not far off 2/kg. Herefords 600kgs were 2.1/kg+, saw no Contenintals as was only in one place for 40 minutes and there was none at the other mart.

    Lighter Fr 450 kgs good quality 860, poorer quality 420, 30 months of age 700 euro. Herefords 18 months 330kgs 880 euro. What amazed me was the ringside was empty enough I could have got a spot myself

    Cows looked Ok up to 550 kgs 50+&- there weight. Anything that has no calf registered sold better than heifers. Heavier cows were in demand. However another thing that was curious was stockbulls selling for the equivlent of 3.3/kg DW and ones that could be fed on were selling very well as well.

    Those hereford's should be able to give a lad a chance to make money or were they poor


  • #140
    Farmer Pudsey
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    CHOPS01 wrote: »
    Those hereford's should be able to give a lad a chance to make money or were they poor


    No were Okish O+ if good level of finish. However these type of cattle will struggle to really gain weight. They will be lucky to average there were KO nect September/October. I think the were Feb/March born so will have to be killed next August/Sept if you want the Qa bonus.


  • #141
    mf240
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    500 kg fleshy hol fr bullocks born feb mar 14 ,.2 Euro kg still achievable in mart for them ??

    You have great weight for age there. Should be good sellers.


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  • #142
    Muckit
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    What day is ballymahon on? Could go down and bring up a trailer load and sell them in Ballinasloe the following Wednesday.


  • #143
    I said
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    Muckit wrote: »
    What day is ballymahon on? Could go down and bring up a trailer load and sell them in Ballinasloe the following Wednesday.

    Not if your buying continentals.Plain cattle are a waste of time trying to sell there.trade back from last couple of weeks


  • #144
    mahoney_j
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    Muckit wrote: »
    What day is ballymahon on? Could go down and bring up a trailer load and sell them in Ballinasloe the following Wednesday.

    Holstein but not extreme ,good frames and decent flesh cover was in mart 3 weeks ago and they would of came close to 2.20 kg but I've heard prices have slipped 20 c kg in the mean time


  • #145
    orm0nd
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    heavy cattle well back in the marts , lighter stock not as much

    just talking to guy earlier who sells usually sell lm bullocks (he would have them nice, all home bred) about 330 to 360 kgs , reckons they are back on average €50 in 2 weeks


  • #146
    orm0nd
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    Muckit wrote: »
    What day is ballymahon on? Could go down and bring up a trailer load and sell them in Ballinasloe the following Wednesday.

    Thursday

    usually watch it online while having the lunch ,, great ch & lm cattle selling there

    saw a few lots of '14 fr bullocks , llooked sguare enough on camera selling for less than screws of '15 runner holsteins were making in nenagh a couple of weeks ago


  • #147
    simx
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    Trade wasn't back much in Kk yesterday anyway seen Fr bullocks making €2/kg and a couple made more


  • #148
    bogman_bass
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    CHOPS01 wrote: »
    Those hereford's should be able to give a lad a chance to make money or were they poor

    18 months old. Leaves a year to get them finished and they would have to put on .8g a day between now and then. I doubt they would be fit to do that


  • #149
    Farmer Pudsey
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    bogman_bass wrote: »
    18 months old. Leaves a year to get them finished and they would have to put on .8g a day between now and then. I doubt they would be fit to do that


    Would just about do do at 380 dats (approx early Sept next year) at 0.8 kgs would give you 300kgs gain. That would bring them to 630kgs which would be a K/O of 315-325kgs. They would just about be fit it however depends on how they would grow. At 4.4/kg they come into 1400 in price. You wpould want everything to go right with them and what would they leave you 100 euro????


  • #150
    I said
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    orm0nd wrote: »
    Thursday

    usually watch it online while having the lunch ,, great ch & lm cattle selling there

    saw a few lots of '14 fr bullocks , llooked sguare enough on camera selling for less than screws of '15 runner holsteins were making in nenagh a couple of weeks ago
    Yer man selling them was raging over the price of them


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  • #151
    mallethead
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    have a big charolais cow to go she's about 800kg
    what sort of money is worth?


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