COOLOCK residents are moving to try to block plans

Thelonious Monk · 22-10-2019 7:51pm

I'm from the area and would always consider the village D5. D17 is more Clonshaugh etc. Anyway who gaf.

22-10-2019 8:41pm

Horsebox9000 wrote: »

Cool so my experience of actually going there and being involved with a body that claimed to be in D17 for 6 years and lay in the village comes no where near your internet research.

Yes, your experience of being involved with that body may be flawed if the person who defined it as D17 in the first place was incorrect. That screenshot isnt 'Internet research', its a quote from the body directly responsible for the administration of the postal districts for the whole city. I mean, look at the eircode. That was only created, what, 3 years ago?

Question: where does D17 end and D5 start, in your opinion?

Horsebox9000 · 22-10-2019 8:53pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'm from the area and would always consider the village D5. D17 is more Clonshaugh etc. Anyway who gaf.

Agreed
As I stated earlier I'm just being pedantic for the sake of it

The Satanist · 22-10-2019 9:10pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Question: where does D17 end and D5 start, in your opinion?

Ima chime in here and say the Oscar Traynor Road was mostly the border, apart from Cadburys which was always 5 :rolleyes:

Coolock Village was always Dublin 5

Thelonious Monk · 22-10-2019 9:19pm

That pub in the village whats name escapes me has the best guinness ive ever tasted, Kyles yes

lola85 · 22-10-2019 9:25pm

piplip87 wrote: »

What services are the council or developer's putting in place to deal with the population increase ?

Can the schools cope ? Can GP surgeries cope ? Is there enough amenities locally to keep the youth from boredom ?

What about traffic ? Will the roads be upgraded.

I'm in Virginia a small village back before the last boom. The town has seen a massive population increase and the services have not caught up ten years later.

Jesus if we take that attitude or took it in the past why bother building anything???

Amenities to keep the youth from getting bored?

Are you having a laugh?

Is that some sort of threat, I mean what did kids do in the 50s and 60s when there was nothing compared to nowadays.

Yet crime was so much less back then.

Pure NIMBYS.

Oh I don’t want houses here because my GP won’t cope.

shesty · 22-10-2019 9:26pm

I actually didn't post the link to the right article there.Here's the one I meant to post.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/developer-offers-471-apartments-for-social-housing-in-dublin-1.4058268?mode=amp

I took the main point from all that to be that the State spent 2 billion sorting out the whole Ballymun thing, and yet here we (potentially) go again.... regardless of area or how many storeys.

shesty · 22-10-2019 9:32pm

lola85 wrote: »

Jesus if we take that attitude or took it in the past why bother building anything???

Amenities to keep the youth from getting bored?

Are you having a laugh?

Is that some sort of threat, I mean what did kids do in the 50s and 60s when there was nothing compared to nowadays.

Yet crime was so much less back then.

Pure NIMBYS.

Oh I don’t want houses here because my GP won’t cope.

Fick right off.

Except that is a problem.Where I live (not Coolock, by the way) hundreds of houses are being built amd in surrounding towns.What public transport there is around here is full to bursting yet being advertised as a selling point for these houses-a bus and train link to Dublin.Schools are full to bursting with long waiting lists.GPs are closed to taking new kids as patients.Local clubs have waiting lists.No shops or any type of facilities are being provided in one nearby town (which has basically nothing im it apart from hundreds of houses and more umder construction) and the roads are mediocre at best and very crowded.

It is not NIMBY-ism...people around here anyway are just sick to death of hundreds of houses (badly built) being dumped on us and no improvements to the services or amenities around the towns at all, nothing being included or forced as part of the developments.We are shocking at planning in this country.

lola85 · 22-10-2019 9:44pm

People want houses built for the homeless and they want them built now.

The government will react when people rant there isn’t enough houses.

Tough if its where you live.

Every development has the same moaners crying it destroys the local mood and outlook blah blah.

Where do you want these apartments built?

Tell us where is ideal?

The Satanist · 22-10-2019 9:56pm

I'd like to see 20,30 or even 40 storey apartment blocks in the city centre, ideally around the Docklands area where people actually work and want to live, and often don't have families. I doubt that this type of dweller wants to sit on a bus/train/metro for any amount of time.

lola85 · 22-10-2019 10:39pm

The Satanist wrote: »

I'd like to see 20,30 or even 40 storey apartment blocks in the city centre, ideally around the Docklands area where people actually work and want to live, and often don't have families. I doubt that this type of dweller wants to sit on a bus/train/metro for any amount of time.

Cool.

So what do we do with families of 4 and 5 children with no means to support themselves on the outskirts of the city?

Answers on a postcard.

Thelonious Monk · 22-10-2019 10:41pm

lola85 wrote: »

Cool.

So what do we do with families of 4 and 5 children with no means to support themselves on the outskirts of the city?

Answers on a postcard.

More places to live in the centre means young professionals don't need to clog up the suburbs, Einstein

lola85 · 22-10-2019 10:43pm

shesty wrote: »

Except that is a problem.Where I live (not Coolock, by the way) hundreds of houses are being built amd in surrounding towns.What public transport there is around here is full to bursting yet being advertised as a selling point for these houses-a bus and train link to Dublin.Schools are full to bursting with long waiting lists.GPs are closed to taking new kids as patients.Local clubs have waiting lists.No shops or any type of facilities are being provided in one nearby town (which has basically nothing im it apart from hundreds of houses and more umder construction) and the roads are mediocre at best and very crowded.

It is not NIMBY-ism...people around here anyway are just sick to death of hundreds of houses (badly built) being dumped on us and no improvements to the services or amenities around the towns at all, nothing being included or forced as part of the developments.We are shocking at planning in this country.

Coolock.

Northside shopping center.
Tesco clarehall.
Omni santry.
Aldi.
Lidl.
Artane shopping center.
Iceland.

No SHOPS ay??????????

Pure NIMBYS at its finest.

lola85 · 22-10-2019 10:48pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

More places to live in the centre means young professionals don't need to clog up the suburbs, Einstein

Like the fast track apartments that was proposed a few weeks ago but were shouted down as box apartments by the opposition?

Or co living was it?

As much as I would love high rise in the city center we are too thick as a country to see the benefits.

STB. · 22-10-2019 10:49pm

lola85 wrote: »

Coolock.

Northside shopping center.
Tesco clarehall.
Omni santry.
Aldi.
Lidl.
Artane shopping center.
Iceland.

Pure NIMBYS at its finest.

I hate this claptrap.

The infrastructure is not there to support the current traffic on the Malahide road, nevermind a development of monstrous proportions. Between Clare Hall and Malahide, the area is almost unrecognisable as all the land around Haughey's old stomping ground has been sold off for high density housing - Clare Hall, Clongriffin etc.

Make no mistake, we have not learnt from our previous mistakes. The Councils have spent years trying to undo Ballymun flats setups through regeneration only for some bright spark child architect to have the same idea again that will not work in Ireland. This is not fúckin Miami.

lola85 · 22-10-2019 10:51pm

STB. wrote: »

I hate this claptrap.

The infrastructure is not there as it is to support the current traffic on the malahide road, nevermind a development of monstrous proportions.

Make no mistake, we have not learnt from our previous mistakes. The Councils have spent years trying to undo Ballymun flats and regeneration only for some bright spark have the same idea, again that will not work in Ireland. This is not fúckin Miami.

But sure we had someone in this thread earlier telling us all the tenants will be unemployed anyway??

So not much traffic on that one.

What’s your proposals to solve the housing crisis apart from NIMBY?

The Satanist · 22-10-2019 10:53pm

lola85 wrote: »

Like the fast track apartments that was proposed a few weeks ago but were shouted down as box apartments by the opposition?

Or co living was it?

As much as I would love high rise in the city center we are too thick as a country to see the benefits.

The opposition were wrong about them. The only issue I have with those places (I presume you're referring to the one bed units with shared kitchen spaces) is the stupid rents proposed, €1300 a month iirc.

Agree with your second point. There's plenty of spaces available for high rise that wouldn't have any negative effect on culturally and architecturally sensitive areas.

STB. · 22-10-2019 10:53pm

lola85 wrote: »

But sure we had someone in this thread earlier telling us all the tenants will be unemployed anyway??

So not much traffic on that one.

Yeah, not jumping at that.

High Rise DOES NOT work in suburbia.

lola85 · 22-10-2019 10:56pm

STB. wrote: »

Yeah, not jumping at that.

High Rise DOES NOT work in suburbia.

It does in other countries.

But wildlife or something..

cgcsb · 22-10-2019 10:56pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually it does, the housing crisis is not just driven by lack of supply, affordability is as much a problem.

Would ya say there's a connection between supply and demand by chance? :pac:

Kermit.de.frog · 22-10-2019 11:00pm

STB. wrote: »

Yeah, not jumping at that.

High Rise DOES NOT work in suburbia.

Having 100% social housing in a high rise does not work.

Private rented or owner occupier high rise is absolutely fine in my opinion.

STB. · 22-10-2019 11:02pm

lola85 wrote: »

It does in other countries.

But wildlife or something..

Wildlife ? What are you waffling about.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Having 100% social housing in a high rise does not work.

Private rented or owner occupier high rise is absolutely fine in my opinion.

High rise apartments and flat like complexes do not work in Ireland.

The truth is that Eoghan Murphy's knee jerk reactions to what FG didn't do over the previous 8 years have not worked. There is already a shít load of permitted large scale housing developments approved by ABP through their fast track housing mechanism.

Want to know what happens when these permissions are obtained ? Selling on of the permissions. It is astonishing that the media have not picked up on it. Its like Celtic Tiger without the builds.

Look at the numbers already permitted.......

Kermit.de.frog · 22-10-2019 11:03pm

3 cranes on new apartment blocks just went up in my area only last week...things moving alright.

lola85 · 22-10-2019 11:06pm

shesty wrote: »

I actually didn't post the link to the right article there.Here's the one I meant to post.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/developer-offers-471-apartments-for-social-housing-in-dublin-1.4058268?mode=amp

I took the main point from all that to be that the State spent 2 billion sorting out the whole Ballymun thing, and yet here we (potentially) go again.... regardless of area or how many storeys.

If people are given a free house and can’t act like normal civilized people well it’s certainly no one elses fault except the people themselves.

Not the state, or the government or anyone else.

Personal responsibility anyone?

STB. · 22-10-2019 11:06pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

3 cranes on new apartment blocks just went up in my area only last week...things moving alright.

There are loads, and I mean shítloads of already permitted large scale housing developments and it becomes a risk and profit game, where the original applicants never had any intention of building anything. It was to further monetise an asset.

These are just the current ones that are in public consultation.

http://www.pleanala.ie/shd/applications/CurrentApplications/Current%20Applications11Oct.pdf

Its the biggest con ever allowed.

Niallof9 · 22-10-2019 11:11pm

Will people stop using the term high rise...ffs

Kermit.de.frog · 22-10-2019 11:12pm

STB. wrote: »

There are loads, and I mean shítloads of already permitted large scale housing developments and it becomes a risk and profit game, where the original applicants never had any intention of building anything. It was to further monetise an asset.

These are just the current ones that are in public consultation.

http://www.pleanala.ie/shd/applications/CurrentApplications/Current%20Applications11Oct.pdf

Its the biggest con ever allowed.

There is a simple answer to that and I believe it is being examined.

Give all fast track applicants if their application is successful 12 months to start construction.

If they don't start construction they lose permission and get fined.

MonkieSocks · 22-10-2019 11:21pm

A big thing here would be schools.

New coolock village apartments.

New apartments on chivers old site

New apartments on old tayto site.

Could amount to a lot of kids looking for schools.

The school on Mask Ave had a fire last week, they struggled to find places for the pupils displaced by this.

DCC made an aful cockup by paving over the water connections for the fire brigade............they had to get the water from a connection on the malahide road and use a water tanker......idiots:mad:

Infrastructure for all these people not fully thought out.

STB. · 22-10-2019 11:25pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There is a simple answer to that and I believe it is being examined.

Give all fast track applicants if their application is successful 12 months to start construction.

If they don't start construction they lose permission and get fined.

Yeah BUT its NOT in the legislation or any of the permissions granted.

Incidentally that whole SHD process has been extended until the end of 2021.

Plenty of land to accumulate money on through land with permission without taking the risks of building anything. No immediate fast track house building.

lola85 · 22-10-2019 11:35pm

MonkieSocks wrote: »

A big thing here would be schools.

New coolock village apartments.

New apartments on chivers old site

New apartments on old tayto site.

Could amount to a lot of kids looking for schools.

The school on Mask Ave had a fire last week, they struggled to find places for the pupils displaced by this.

DCC made an aful cockup by paving over the water connections for the fire brigade............they had to get the water from a connection on the malahide road and use a water tanker......idiots:mad:

Infrastructure for all these people not fully thought out.

As always there will be places in school for every kid.

More scaremongering.

lola85 · 22-10-2019 11:42pm

STB. wrote: »

Wildlife ? What are you waffling about.

High rise apartments and flat like complexes do not work in Ireland.

The truth is that Eoghan Murphy's knee jerk reactions to what FG didn't do over the previous 8 years have not worked. There is already a shít load of permitted large scale housing developments approved by ABP through their fast track housing mechanism.

Want to know what happens when these permissions are obtained ? Selling on of the permissions. It is astonishing that the media have not picked up on it. Its like Celtic Tiger without the builds.

Look at the numbers already permitted.......

Yeah so astonishing only you have picked up on it at?

You should go to some media outlet with this astonishing revelation.

Idbatterim · 22-10-2019 11:49pm

I read that Murphy intends to change the legislation to a use it or lose it when a scheme receives pp ...

sdanseo · 23-10-2019 6:12pm

On the subject of postcode boundaries, Eircodes in the Dublin postcode zones are tied to those, so it's all here (generally speaking, read disclaimer top left. For example parts of D11 , D13, D17 etc are addressed as Co. Dublin with a DXX Eircode):
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1ObFwqV2vtigkclpjea3sUHNhUuw&ll=53.393110838992506%2C-6.184066326938364&z=15

Alternatively just look at the street signs.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3898713,-6.2002572,3a,75y,238h,55.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWWTQ3yJkvc5M8yNBZ814Zw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

MonkieSocks · 23-10-2019 6:36pm

lola85 wrote: »

As always there will be places in school for every kid.

More scaremongering.

Could you name those Schools please

COOLOCK residents are moving to try to block plans

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