Looking at GLAS info

KatyMac · 07-02-2015 3:19pm #1

Got a leaflet from Teagasc yesterday about GLAS. Am I reading it right when it says that is you have SAC you are in the first tier and will probably get in? I have 2 fields that have SAC status, about 16 acres in area. I've always thought it was nothing but a plague, but now am not so sure. Have any of ye thought much about it yet? is it worthwhile or will it just be another load of red tape with not much at the end.
I have been looking at traditional hay meadows and dry stone walls as I've got those in spades anyway.

blue5000 · 07-02-2015 3:50pm

KatyMac wrote: »

Got a leaflet from Teagasc yesterday about GLAS. Am I reading it right when it says that is you have SAC you are in the first tier and will probably get in? I have 2 fields that have SAC status, about 16 acres in area. I've always thought it was nothing but a plague, but now am not so sure. Have any of ye thought much about it yet? is it worthwhile or will it just be another load of red tape with not much at the end.
I have been looking at traditional hay meadows and dry stone walls as I've got those in spades anyway.

I suppose it all depends on what type of farming you are doing, but I think it isn't a patch on the reps scheme that it is supposed to be replacing. 5k isn't enough of a carrot for all the restrictions imposed, for me anyway. Reps was cut by (AFAIK) 17% after ppl signed up for it, what's to stop the prix cutting this to 4k after we all sign up for it?

KatyMac · 07-02-2015 4:01pm

That's my fear as well but I suppose I'm living in hope (not dying in despair). The SAC is a nuisance anyway, so they can hardly make it much worse!!!! I actually did a bit of work on it last year, clearing out existing drains which improved it no end. A neighbour has had sheep on it for the winter and they ate the rough grass down to the roots and it looks better now than it has done for years. I might even get a cut of silage which will be better than standing over the cattle for a couple of hours watching out for redwater.

Capercaille · 07-02-2015 5:28pm

Entering GLAS. Farm in SPA. Hopefully they get rid of capped payments, which are totally unfair.

aneala · 24-02-2015 1:35am

Hi All,

Does anyone have a definition of "low input permanent pasture"?

If your let put out some small amount of fert at least, I might be interested.

djmc · 24-02-2015 6:53am

I rang today looking for details and they said that they didn't have that information yet.
Only in this country would they announce a scheme open and tell you they don't have information on it.

patjack · 24-02-2015 11:34am

djmc wrote: »

I rang today looking for details and they said that they didn't have that information yet.
Only in this country would they announce a scheme open and tell you they don't have information on it.

Agreed djmc, anyone know how many HA qualify you for the 2k top up. I am farming 14HA SAC (Hen Harrier) and have read farmers will qualify for 2k top up if farming enough area. Currently 14ha * €370 = €5,180. So looks like will qualify for the 5k, would I need to be farming close on 19 HA to qualify for the 2k extra?

As in 18.91 HA * €370 = €7k or what way will it work does anyone know?

Scheme is open but no details, what a joke!

KatyMac · 24-02-2015 11:40am

I'm going to a meeting next Monday. Teagasc sent out a letter and I believe most of the lads around me got them too. It seems to be full steam ahead, but I don't think there is much time to think about it, from reading the letter they are looking for you to sign up there and then but maybe I've got that wrong

Poor Farmer in the hills · 24-02-2015 1:56pm

Dont panic about signing up to Teagasc they have subcontracted out their GLAS planning and are charging huge money for GALS plans. Seem to be trying to panic people into signing up with them. Shop around

Poor Farmer in the hills · 24-02-2015 1:57pm

Sorry GLAS plans!

patjack · 24-02-2015 3:40pm

Just read that I can't transfer from AEOS 2 to GLAS until 2016, bloody disaster.
I signed up to AEOS 2 on the assumption (I know assumption is the mother of all f%*$ ups) that I could switch to a new environmental scheme if one were made available, for those with Hen Harrier Designated land etc.

Raging with myself, although probably would have signed up anyway. "A bird in the hand...." attitude at the time.

F it anyway.

dryan · 24-02-2015 3:44pm

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

Dont panic about signing up to Teagasc they have subcontracted out their GLAS planning and are charging huge money for GALS plans. Seem to be trying to panic people into signing up with them. Shop around

what kind of figures are you talking about here?

Was with Teagasc for Reps4 so wouldnt mind shopping around.

24-02-2015 3:55pm

dryan wrote: »

what kind of figures are you talking about here?

Was with Teagasc for Reps4 so wouldnt mind shopping around.

Journal last week said that teagasc/FRS could be charging e1145 for GLAS plans

Ten Pin · 24-02-2015 4:00pm

patjack wrote: »

Just read that I can't transfer from AEOS 2 to GLAS until 2016

So am I right in saying that you can’t be in both AEOS and GLAS, transform only? If you’re referring to the clause below under eligibility it doesn’t distinguish between AEOS 1, 2 etc or have you read something else from another document?

“7.4. Only those participants currently in AEOS with Commonage or Hen Harrier Environmental Priorities on their farms may transform from their existing contracts into GLAS in the first Tranche of applications.”

CallofGuti · 24-02-2015 4:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Journal last week said that teagasc/FRS could be charging e1145 for GLAS plans

Saw that, think it said at least €1145 which seems very high. Is that every year?

patjack · 24-02-2015 4:10pm

Ten Pin wrote: »

So am I right in saying that you can’t be in both AEOS and GLAS, transform only? If you’re referring to the clause below under eligibility it doesn’t distinguish between AEOS 1, 2 etc or have you read something else from another document?

“7.4. Only those participants currently in AEOS with Commonage or Hen Harrier Environmental Priorities on their farms may transform from their existing contracts into GLAS in the first Tranche of applications.”

Thanks Ten Pin, a glimmer of hope, hope your right. My AEOS 2 payment isn't worth diddly squat, planner made a bad job of it, asked him would I qualify for the 4k he said yes, ended up getting less than 2k. Couldn't get hold of him after, :-)

This is what I was reading:

http://www.yourcommonage.ie/2015/02/aeos-should-you-transfer-to-glas-now.html

tanko · 24-02-2015 4:16pm

patjack wrote: »

Just read that I can't transfer from AEOS 2 to GLAS until 2016, bloody disaster.
I signed up to AEOS 2 on the assumption (I know assumption is the mother of all f%*$ ups) that I could switch to a new environmental scheme if one were made available, for those with Hen Harrier Designated land etc.

Raging with myself, although probably would have signed up anyway. "A bird in the hand...." attitude at the time.

F it anyway.

Will it be possible to get into Glas in 2016 when you are finished AEOS?

patjack · 24-02-2015 4:31pm

tanko wrote: »

Will it be possible to get into Glas in 2016 when you are finished AEOS?

Hi Tanko,

Thanks to Ten Pin pointing it out to me, it looks like I will qualify to transform in 2015. Ten Pin has the attention to detail I don't possess.

I had an inkling that I was told I could transfer from AEOS to any new scheme but when I couldn't find any documentation on it.

Think places will be limited in 2016 prob would qualify on priority basis alright.

supersean1999 · 24-02-2015 4:33pm

patjack wrote: »

Just read that I can't transfer from AEOS 2 to GLAS until 2016, bloody disaster.
I signed up to AEOS 2 on the assumption (I know assumption is the mother of all f%*$ ups) that I could switch to a new environmental scheme if one were made available, for those with Hen Harrier Designated land etc.

Raging with myself, although probably would have signed up anyway. "A bird in the hand...." attitude at the time.

F it anyway.

ARe you still not better off, how many years would you of been without a payment,

Poor Farmer in the hills · 24-02-2015 4:37pm

patjack wrote: »

Just read that I can't transfer from AEOS 2 to GLAS until 2016, bloody disaster.
I signed up to AEOS 2 on the assumption (I know assumption is the mother of all f%*$ ups) that I could switch to a new environmental scheme if one were made available, for those with Hen Harrier Designated land etc.

Raging with myself, although probably would have signed up anyway. "A bird in the hand...." attitude at the time.

F it anyway.

Correct me if i'm wrong but if you have a priority asset (Commonage protected bird etc) you should be allowed to switch to GLAS

Charliebull · 24-02-2015 4:43pm

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

Dont panic about signing up to Teagasc they have subcontracted out their GLAS planning and are charging huge money for GALS plans. Seem to be trying to panic people into signing up with them. Shop around

where alse can one look then, where would one get a list of private planners

Deleted User wrote: »

Journal last week said that teagasc/FRS could be charging e1145 for GLAS plans

thats some chunk money, cant be every year

patjack · 24-02-2015 4:46pm

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

Correct me if i'm wrong but if you have a priority asset (Commonage protected bird etc) you should be allowed to switch to GLAS

Your right, I missed that clause. Like your username, is it trademarked, it could apply to me and a few others on here

ganmo · 24-02-2015 4:47pm

I was at the cillin hill meeting last week and they gave rough cost of 330 ish for application + 450ish for plan

patjack · 24-02-2015 4:49pm

supersean1999 wrote: »

ARe you still not better off, how many years would you of been without a payment,

Well Sean, my AEOS payment is so low, I 'd be better off joining GLAS asap. Even if I was losing up to 1k by joining I'd take it, prefer to be in ASAP and be assured of the 5k for the 5 yrs as soon as I could.

supersean1999 · 24-02-2015 4:54pm

patjack wrote: »

Well Sean, my AEOS payment is so low, I 'd be better off joining GLAS asap. Even if I was losing up to 1k by joining I'd take it, prefer to be in ASAP and be assured of the 5k for the 5 yrs as soon as I could.

Ok in that case your unlucky, I was presuming you could of been in aeos 2 years and it will be prob the end of 16 early 17 before there is a full 12 month payment on this, u will only lose 1 year I'd say

Poor Farmer in the hills · 24-02-2015 5:45pm

*List of Approved Advisors (xls 259Kb)
department of agriculture list of approved GLAS advisors as of today

I said · 24-02-2015 7:10pm

Rang local teagasc office today about it they are having info meetings this week about it

ganmo · 24-02-2015 10:03pm

anyone have a of the list of rare breeds?

ihatewinter · 24-02-2015 10:10pm

Cattle Horses and Ponies Sheep
Kerry Connemara Pony Galway
Dexter Irish Draught
Irish Maol (or Moiled) Kerry Bog Pony

Note: The maximum number of livestock units that can be claimed for annual payment is 10

ihatewinter · 24-02-2015 10:12pm

What is needed to get the full payment of 2000 for Glas+

AP2014 · 24-02-2015 10:18pm

ihatewinter wrote: »

What is needed to get the full payment of 2000 for Glas+

A miracle I would say....

Nobbies · 24-02-2015 10:32pm

if it,s anything like aeos,they will be making it up for years too come,sneaky like changes here and there contradicting things that they had previously stated in terms and conditions.anything in it about afew pound too cut hooring ivy off tree,s and hedges??

Capercaillie · 24-02-2015 11:13pm

There are agri-environmental schemes that have no cap on payments.

wesleysniper38 · 24-02-2015 11:33pm

Am I correct in thinking that a participant in AEOS1 whose scheme expires in September can't join GLAS this year ?

AP2014 · 24-02-2015 11:49pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

There are agri-environmental schemes that have no cap on payments.

What are these?

Capercaillie · 25-02-2015 11:06am

AP2014 wrote: »

What are these?

NPWS farm plans. Only very limited places and you have to be in SPA/SAC.

KatyMac · 25-02-2015 12:37pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

NPWS farm plans. Only very limited places and you have to be in SPA/SAC.

Can you throw a link up for us?? I have almost a third of the farm designated SAC - maybe it's some use after all.

patjack · 25-02-2015 1:00pm

Farmland Habitat (private Natura Site) vs Farmland Birds

Hi, My entire holding is Hen Harrier Designated, so to me as a potential GLAS applicant I qualify under Tier 1 (a) under Farmland Birds.

What I am looking to distinguish between is Farmland Habitat (private Natura Site) vs Farmland Birds.

What s the definition of a a Farmland Habitat? Does having your land designated SAC/SPA as above under Farmland Birds also by definition qualify you under Farmland Habitat?

As in is there an overlap of definition here?

Capercaillie · 25-02-2015 1:06pm

KatyMac wrote: »

Can you throw a link up for us?? I have almost a third of the farm designated SAC - maybe it's some use after all.

ww.npws.ie/farmers-and-landowners/schemes/npws-farm-plan-scheme
I can't post links not enough posts, so just add "w" to above. I've been accepted into Corncrake farm plan, works out alot better than GLAS scheme.

djmc · 25-02-2015 2:28pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

NPWS farm plans. Only very limited places and you have to be in SPA/SAC.

Are they open again I thought that they were closed in 2010 due to no funding

Killarney49 · 25-02-2015 4:18pm

Hi there, I am trying to find out if it will be worthwhile I joining GLAS. I have about 16 hectares Commonage and 6 Hectares of Private farmland. I just wanted to know what I could get payed in GLAS and what are my lightly charges. Previously I was in REPS4. Got payed 5k a year with roughly 350 euro planner fee annually.. From what I read so far, is it 120 euro per hectare in GLAS? Anyone with information appreciated thanks.

Connemara Farmer · 25-02-2015 4:23pm

Killarney49 wrote: »

Hi there, I am trying to find out if it will be worthwhile I joining GLAS. I have about 16 hectares Commonage and 6 Hectares of Private farmland. I just wanted to know what I could get payed in GLAS and what are my lightly charges. Previously I was in REPS4. Got payed 5k a year with roughly 350 euro planner fee annually.. From what I read so far, is it 120 euro per hectare in GLAS? Anyone with information appreciated thanks.

You will have to get in contact with planners local to you to find out what they're charging. The commonage rate is €120ha alright, but how much the commonage management plan will cost you and how much your individual GLAS plan will cost will have a larger bearing. You won't make the €5k on that area of commonage so will need to pick measures on your fenced land to bring up payment.

Fuxake · 25-02-2015 6:41pm

patjack wrote: »

Just read that I can't transfer from AEOS 2 to GLAS until 2016, bloody disaster.
I signed up to AEOS 2 on the assumption (I know assumption is the mother of all f%*$ ups) that I could switch to a new environmental scheme if one were made available, for those with Hen Harrier Designated land etc.

Raging with myself, although probably would have signed up anyway. "A bird in the hand...." attitude at the time.

F it anyway.

Dont think its as bad as it seems. If you join GLAS in 2015, you will be losing a full year's AEOS and under GLAS you will only be at best entitled to a payment for three months (ie Oct, Nov, Dec) which is max 1250 and then a full five years. But if you wait until 2016, you are still entitled to the full five years, under GLAS and you will have maxed out AEOS.

Killarney49 · 25-02-2015 7:02pm

thanks Connemara Farmer for your reply. Yeah will have to see from a local planner what the costs are. Can I claim payment from 6 hectares private land and at what rate per hectare without doing the commonage ? Suppose best to find out a local planner and talk to them, thanks. REPS was great while it lasted!

Connemara Farmer · 25-02-2015 7:31pm

Killarney49 wrote: »

thanks Connemara Farmer for your reply. Yeah will have to see from a local planner what the costs are. Can I claim payment from 6 hectares private land and at what rate per hectare without doing the commonage ? Suppose best to find out a local planner and talk to them, thanks. REPS was great while it lasted!

No, if you have commonage, then you must include it. Also, just on a point above re timing, if a plan is started on your commonage and you don't go into it in year one, then you DON'T get a fresh five year plan, you will get 4 years, and the master planner will have you over a barrel as s/he will have a monopoly.

The joys of bad schemes.

TITANIUM. · 25-02-2015 8:38pm

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

No, if you have commonage, then you must include it. Also, just on a point above re timing, if a plan is started on your commonage and you don't go into it in year one, then you DON'T get a fresh five year plan, you will get 4 years, and the master planner will have you over a barrel as s/he will have a monopoly.

The joys of bad schemes.

Wtf. It just keeps getting better!

Capercaillie · 25-02-2015 8:41pm

djmc wrote: »

Are they open again I thought that they were closed in 2010 due to no funding

I'm only entering this year, but they are fairly picky about people entering the schemes. Entry is on a competitive basis. The fact I was doing everything (and more) on the scheme meant they took me on.

fastrac · 25-02-2015 8:43pm

You must have had the rare breeds registered with the Breed society in 2012 or its not you cant have it as an option. You also need access on both sides for hedging and coppicing.The arable borders seem a good option for the tillage farmer.All this from the info meeting in Mallow today

Capercaillie · 25-02-2015 8:46pm

djmc wrote: »

Are they open again I thought that they were closed in 2010 due to no funding

Capercaillie wrote: »

I'm only entering this year, but they are fairly picky about people entering the schemes. Entry is on a competitive basis. The fact I was doing everything (and more) on the scheme meant they took me on.

Alot of farmers on Shannon callows will not be going back on the Corncrake Scheme, so that is freeing up spaces.

Connemara Farmer · 25-02-2015 9:39pm

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Wtf. It just keeps getting better!

Yes, a lot of lads think they can finish out AEOS 1 or 3 then start a 5 year GLAS term. But if another farmer has started a GLAS plan this year the 5 year clock is ticking down for everyone, in or out, once on same commonage. It would be in AEOS commonage farmers interests - if drawing max payment on commonage measure - to go into GLAS this year. (Once the terms and conditions don't turn too ugly).

fastrac wrote: »

You must have had the rare breeds registered with the Breed society in 2012 or its not you cant have it as an option. You also need access on both sides for hedging and coppicing.The arable borders seem a good option for the tillage farmer.All this from the info meeting in Mallow today

Another point on rare breeds, well on Connemara ponies anyhow, you must have registered offspring produced in one of the two years previous to (?) joining the scheme I think.

Who would be interested in a hoop jumping class? :rolleyes:

KatyMac · 25-02-2015 10:31pm

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Who would be interested in a hoop jumping class? :rolleyes:

Also need to learn how to knit with red tape.

Looking at GLAS info

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