Looking at GLAS info

50HX · 26-02-2015 10:32pm

low in put is 140 kg nitrates/ha

Killarney49 · 27-02-2015 11:28am

Anyone know what the rate of payment per hectare for private land is? I know its 120 for commonage. Thanks

eire23 · 27-02-2015 11:37am

Killarney49 wrote: »

Anyone know what the rate of payment per hectare for private land is? I know its 120 for commonage. Thanks

314 at a max of 10 hectares

Killarney49 · 27-02-2015 11:50am

Thanks Eire 23.

eire23 · 27-02-2015 12:30pm

Killarney49 wrote: »

Thanks Eire 23.

But your only allowed 40kgs nitrogen/ha including slurry/fym/fertiliser.
The land cant have been reseeded in the last 8 years and i think there has to be four varietys of grass in it . Its a complete non runner i think anyways.

Connemara Farmer · 27-02-2015 1:31pm

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/glas-is-an-absolute-cock-up-agricultural-advisors-claim/

annubis · 27-02-2015 1:51pm

is the rule where by you can only have one of the GLAS measures per parcel of land going to make it hard for lads to make up the higher payments or am i mistaken?

Connemara Farmer · 27-02-2015 6:40pm

Bit of advice folks, talk to as many different planners as ye can, ask questions re prices and what ye do or don't actually need. If ye on commonages, or indeed not, talk really closely to neighbours, talk to contacts ye may have. Some of the stuff that's going on, ain't on. Saying no more on that.

Toplink · 27-02-2015 9:27pm

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Bit of advice folks, talk to as many different planners as ye can, ask questions re prices and what ye do or don't actually need. If ye on commonages, or indeed not, talk really closely to neighbours, talk to contacts ye may have. Some of the stuff that's going on, ain't on. Saying no more on that.

Thats disgraceful... either there is strict clearly defined criteria or not.

Connemara Farmer · 28-02-2015 12:57am

Toplink wrote: »

Thats disgraceful... either there is strict clearly defined criteria or not.

I typed out a number of replies and deleted them all. All I can or want to say is already said in my previous post

Farrell · 02-03-2015 12:10pm

Would anyone know with regard the Permanent Pasture:
Would you be allowed to spread slurry on the designated area?
Could you do drainage to appropriate wet spots?

Muckit · 02-03-2015 12:46pm

50HX wrote: »

low in put is 140 kg nitrates/ha

Anyone good at the paperwork? What kind of stocking rate does this allow for anf how much bag fert ( if any)?

Farrell · 02-03-2015 2:26pm

Muckit wrote: »

Anyone good at the paperwork? What kind of stocking rate does this allow for anf how much bag fert ( if any)?

I could be wrong,
170Kg/N/Ha * Area (Ha) = X
X - Total N (Kg) for 2014) = Y
Amount of Bag = Y/(10*Strength of N)
i.e. for 18.6.12 = Y/(10*18)

I said · 02-03-2015 11:32pm

At info meeting teagasc today.
Cost to apply€435 if ya don't qualify you can reapply in 2nd tranche.that money sounds like a non returnable deposit if you don't get into the scheme.
If you get in it's an extra €465 to draw up your plan for the scheme.Soil testing extra.

I said · 02-03-2015 11:36pm

As con said here a while ago the commonage sounds like a nightmare the advisor at the meeting said as much today.

AP2014 · 02-03-2015 11:36pm

I said wrote: »

At info meeting teagasc today.
Cost to apply€435 if ya don't qualify you can reapply in 2nd tranche.that money sounds like a non returnable deposit if you don't get into the scheme.
If you get in it's an extra €465 to draw up your plan for the scheme.Soil testing extra.

Holy hell, sure most will be luck to get 2k a year I reckon.

I said · 02-03-2015 11:41pm

AP2014 wrote: »

Holy hell, sure most will be luck to get 2k a year I reckon.

You can get up to five a year for five years it's how you can manovere it to suit.
For the wild bird area it's a lot of ground to sow,the return is good but it's tied up for five years.

AP2014 · 02-03-2015 11:49pm

I said wrote: »

You can get up to five a year for five years it's how you can manovere it to suit.
For the wild bird area it's a lot of ground to sow,the return is good but it's tied up for five years.

Do you reckon there is any hope in getting in for a fella in my situation. I am farming 30 odd acres, under stocked, no water ways(besides drains), no slurry on farm. Lightly stocked and no outwintering.

Not sure how I would qualify from tier 1. Unless I plant wild bird cover. 99% of my farm is permanent grass and over 15 years since reseeded.

Only thing I can see is stone wall maintenance, which sounds like hard work or maybe planting trees which could be costly.

Is there any point of a dry stock farm like mine applying or am I wasting my time?

I said · 03-03-2015 1:31am

AP2014 wrote: »

Do you reckon there is any hope in getting in for a fella in my situation. I am farming 30 odd acres, under stocked, no water ways(besides drains), no slurry on farm. Lightly stocked and no outwintering.

Not sure how I would qualify from tier 1. Unless I plant wild bird cover. 99% of my farm is permanent grass and over 15 years since reseeded.

Only thing I can see is stone wall maintenance, which sounds like hard work or maybe planting trees which could be costly.

Is there any point of a dry stock farm like mine applying or am I wasting my time?

No harm in checking it out

zetor 4911 · 03-03-2015 10:06am

I said wrote: »

At info meeting teagasc today.
Cost to apply€435 if ya don't qualify you can reapply in 2nd tranche.that money sounds like a non returnable deposit if you don't get into the scheme.
If you get in it's an extra €465 to draw up your plan for the scheme.Soil testing extra.

My understanding of the charges is that the fee to apply is €435.00 but you only get this rate if you are in the Teagasc club which costs between €145 to €200 per year so you have to add on this additional charge to the €435 which gives a total of between €580 and €635. The same holds for drawing up the plan if you get in that is you have to add on the teagasc club charge.

I said · 03-03-2015 10:29am

zetor 4911 wrote: »

My understanding of the charges is that the fee to apply is €435.00 but you only get this rate if you are in the Teagasc club which costs between €145 to €200 per year so you have to add on this additional charge to the €435 which gives a total of between €580 and €635. The same holds for drawing up the plan if you get in that is you have to add on the teagasc club charge.

Don't ya pay a private advisor a fee also

AP2014 · 03-03-2015 10:32am

I said wrote: »

No harm in checking it out

Cheers, I'll fire off an email to a few advisor's on the list. Would want to be fairly confident of getting in for that fee.

zetor 4911 · 03-03-2015 11:31am

I said wrote: »

Don't ya pay a private advisor a fee also

Well I would be very surprised if he would do it for nothing.

I said · 03-03-2015 2:56pm

zetor 4911 wrote: »

Well I would be very surprised if he would do it for nothing.

Yeah I was doubting that alright

Crossakiel · 03-03-2015 3:19pm

Some Glas Updates from Agriland today

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/20-common-questions-farmers-are-asking-about-glas/

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/glas-what-tier-farmer-are-you/

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/key-dates-for-glas-from-now-until-2016/

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/glas-is-a-brilliant-and-very-simple-scheme-says-philip-farrelly/

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/key-dates-for-glas-from-now-until-2016/

patjack · 03-03-2015 5:23pm

This is something I can't get an answer on from info released, planners or other sources:

If you have a priority asset we'll say Hen Harrier which pays €370/ha. And with your hectares this brings you to €5,450 can you avail of GLAS plus by utilising other measures to get you to the €7,000. Or could you in this case only get avail of GLAS + if you have enough hectares to bring over the €7k using the priority asset on its own?

Anyone any thoughts on this, struggling to get to info, have emailed the Depts designated GLAS email but as of yet no response. If the planners don't know yet, then I don't know how we are supposed to know.

Corkfarmer · 03-03-2015 8:38pm

patjack wrote: »

This is something I can't get an answer on from info released, planners or other sources:

If you have a priority asset we'll say Hen Harrier which pays €370/ha. And with your hectares this brings you to €5,450 can you avail of GLAS plus by utilising other measures to get you to the €7,000. Or could you in this case only get avail of GLAS + if you have enough hectares to bring over the €7k using the priority asset on its own?

Anyone any thoughts on this, struggling to get to info, have emailed the Depts designated GLAS email but as of yet no response. If the planners don't know yet, then I don't know how we are supposed to know.

I would also like to know the answer to this as Im in a similar situation. From what I can gather I think you can make up the balance with a different action but not sure.

Bullocks · 03-03-2015 9:19pm

Crossakiel wrote: »

Some Glas Updates from Agriland today

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/20-common-questions-farmers-are-asking-about-glas/

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/glas-what-tier-farmer-are-you/

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/key-dates-for-glas-from-now-until-2016/

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/glas-is-a-brilliant-and-very-simple-scheme-says-philip-farrelly/

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/key-dates-for-glas-from-now-until-2016/

What do ye think about the piece from Phillip Farrelly about the GLAS scheme ? He seems to think it's simples to get in and get the full amount , has anyone used him before ?

Username John · 03-03-2015 10:10pm

So it seems you
- decide you want to join
- say you're interested, reply to some text
- get you plan done by May 15
- pay the planner
- you find out in sept if you're accepted or not

What happens if you aren't accepted? Is the money you paid in May gone, or what happens in this case?

Or am I reading it wrong?

eire23 · 03-03-2015 11:04pm

Username John wrote: »

So it seems you
- decide you want to join
- say you're interested, reply to some text
- get you plan done by May 15
- pay the planner
- you find out in sept if you're accepted or not

What happens if you aren't accepted? Is the money you paid in May gone, or what happens in this case?

Or am I reading it wrong?

You can apply the next time it opens up with that original plan. If you dont get in this year and next year dosent suit your fee is gone.

Whats a derailleur? · 04-03-2015 9:43am

eire23 wrote: »

You can apply the next time it opens up with that original plan. If you dont get in this year and next year dosent suit your fee is gone.

No, the meeting I was at they said if you don't get accepted this time, your application stays on file for the next tranche in 2016..and it's reassessed then. You don't have to reapply in 2016.
If you apply your fee is gone alright it seems.

patjack · 04-03-2015 10:29am

Corkfarmer wrote: »

I would also like to know the answer to this as Im in a similar situation. From what I can gather I think you can make up the balance with a different action but not sure.

I find that matrix they have very confusing, my reading of the matrix, I would have thought that if you have Hen Harrier you could chose Private Natura which I know would overlap, but I also thought it states that they could overlap.

I am reliably informed however I am wrong on this. We'll get some clarity soon I'd say. A lot of planners have some form of training again this week.

Coveney said something that along the lines that if you have enough in it. The big question is whats enough?

If you hear anything Corkfarmer would you mind posting on here?
And vice versa, if I hear anything I'll throw it up here.

Whats a derailleur? · 04-03-2015 10:43am

patjack wrote: »

I find that matrix they have very confusing, my reading of the matrix, I would have thought that if you have Hen Harrier you could chose Private Natura which I know would overlap, but I also thought it states that they could overlap.

I am reliably informed however I am wrong on this. We'll get some clarity soon I'd say. A lot of planners have some form of training again this week.

Coveney said something that along the lines that if you have enough in it. The big question is whats enough?

If you hear anything Corkfarmer would you mind posting on here?
And vice versa, if I hear anything I'll throw it up here.

My UNDERSTANDING of it is that the only way you can be GLAS+ is if you already have 2 PEAs...so you've got commonage and farmland birds or rare breeds.

But I don't think you can take actions to bump yourself up to GLAS+

Connemara Farmer · 04-03-2015 10:47am

Whats a derailleur? wrote: »

My UNDERSTANDING of it is that the only way you can be GLAS+ is if you already have 2 PEAs...so you've got commonage and farmland birds or rare breeds.

But I don't think you can take actions to bump yourself up to GLAS+

Unless they change it, the only action you can take with commonage to get GLAS+ is rare breeds. That's the only other measure that is listed in the commonage section. And then you have the unit value, breeding, and registered previous history hoops attached to that measure. Basically you'd need ten registered Connemara ponies, been a member of the society for the past two or three years, have had one registered offspring for each in that time and I think you may have to have the animal served each time in heat in GLAS.

supersean1999 · 04-03-2015 10:51am

Whats a derailleur? wrote: »

My UNDERSTANDING of it is that the only way you can be GLAS+ is if you already have 2 PEAs...so you've got commonage and farmland birds or rare breeds.

But I don't think you can take actions to bump yourself up to GLAS+

Very few people will get over 5k. And a lot of farmers will do well to reach 3-4k. Its a complete joke scheme. Made as complicated as possible so the powers that be can say. Ahh sure look at those little farmers refusing money. They must be rich enough.

Bullocks · 04-03-2015 11:05am

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Unless they change it, the only action you can take with commonage to get GLAS+ is rare breeds. That's the only other measure that is listed in the commonage section. And then you have the unit value, breeding, and registered previous history hoops attached to that measure. Basically you'd need ten registered Connemara ponies, been a member of the society for the past two or three years, have had one registered offspring for each in that time and I think you may have to have the animal served each time in heat in GLAS.

My 2 Galway ewes aren't much good to me then !

Corkfarmer · 04-03-2015 10:58pm

patjack wrote: »

I find that matrix they have very confusing, my reading of the matrix, I would have thought that if you have Hen Harrier you could chose Private Natura which I know would overlap, but I also thought it states that they could overlap.

I am reliably informed however I am wrong on this. We'll get some clarity soon I'd say. A lot of planners have some form of training again this week.

Coveney said something that along the lines that if you have enough in it. The big question is whats enough?

If you hear anything Corkfarmer would you mind posting on here?
And vice versa, if I hear anything I'll throw it up here.

Was talking to advisor today and he is no wiser on this matter, but will hopefully find out this week so will keep you posted.

patjack · 06-03-2015 10:09am

Corkfarmer wrote: »

Was talking to advisor today and he is no wiser on this matter, but will hopefully find out this week so will keep you posted.

Hi Corkfarmer,

Was at a meeting last night, normal rule is that you need two priority assets to qualify for GLAS + with the exception of Hen Harrier. You will get paid on Hen Harrier up to 18.93 Hectares.

Worrying thing for a few farmers at the meeting was that if your land is in organic and you want to claim Hen Harrier on that same land you will have to forego your organic payment. Strange one!

Only thing the planner said was that he thought this may be changed in that you can claim both but he is to double check.

Western Pomise · 06-03-2015 1:31pm

My situation would be typical of a fair few part time farmers on Western seaboard I would imagine.Have a few years left to run on AEOS,also have commonage,no Natura area.
The whole situation re 'GLAS' seems to be as clear as mud regarding whether likes of myself should jump ship from AEOS and apply to GLAS .....I posted on another thread how some advisors recommend staying with AEOS till end and that a new scheme or different form of GLAS will replace it.....whereas other advisors say to leave AEOS and try to get into GLAS this year when theres a bigger numerical intake???????

Disappointing that the Dept introduce a new scheme with all the bells and whistles coverage of how it will put money back into farmers pockets....then leave a very short timescale for the farmers to decide whether to go for it or not.

And leave huge unknowns there about the whole thing while farmers make up their minds.

patjack · 06-03-2015 1:45pm

Western Pomise wrote: »

My situation would be typical of a fair few part time farmers on Western seaboard I would imagine.Have a few years left to run on AEOS,also have commonage,no Natura area.
The whole situation re 'GLAS' seems to be as clear as mud regarding whether likes of myself should jump ship from AEOS and apply to GLAS .....I posted on another thread how some advisors recommend staying with AEOS till end and that a new scheme or different form of GLAS will replace it.....whereas other advisors say to leave AEOS and try to get into GLAS this year when theres a bigger numerical intake???????

Disappointing that the Dept introduce a new scheme with all the bells and whistles coverage of how it will put money back into farmers pockets....then leave a very short timescale for the farmers to decide whether to go for it or not.

And leave huge unknowns there about the whole thing while farmers make up their minds.

Have to agree, WP, it was a big point of debate at our meeting last night whether to jump ship or stay. The planner last night was inclined to say stay put unless you are tier three.

This his interpretation, he reckons the scheme will be underscribed with the short time frame, so he reckons if a tier 3 applicant wanted to join, now would be the best time to try as next year there are few places and more priority applicants coming off other schemes. He did issue a health warning saying this was his interpretation. He also said said that the dept have committed to opening another Glas scheme in Sept, again he said, nothing in writing and this could be Jan Feb 16 rather than Sept 15.

His train of thought for people in our area (Hen Harrier Designated) was stay in AEOS or Hen Harrier Plans till completion then join whatever GLAS scheme is available.

Doctors differ and patients die, but thats his reading. Totally different advice would be relevant for Commonages etc.

I am going contra to his advice, in terms of jumping ship from AEOS to GLAS because I'd prefer the certainty of having 5 years guaranteed GLAS than wondering and waiting about the next GLAS to open.

Easy decision for me though as I won't lose out much financially and in my case worth it for the certainty.

So many unknowns still and the dept have chopped and changed details in the background. Why the nuts and bolts of the scheme aren't available to farmers I don't know. In reality the scheme isn't open yet as there are still issues to be ironed out.

Corkfarmer · 06-03-2015 11:07pm

patjack wrote: »

Hi Corkfarmer,

Was at a meeting last night, normal rule is that you need two priority assets to qualify for GLAS + with the exception of Hen Harrier. You will get paid on Hen Harrier up to 18.93 Hectares.

Worrying thing for a few farmers at the meeting was that if your land is in organic and you want to claim Hen Harrier on that same land you will have to forego your organic payment. Strange one!

Only thing the planner said was that he thought this may be changed in that you can claim both but he is to double check.

I see so if you only have 10HA Hen Harrier you must make up the balance with another primary asset or can it be any of the measures to get the €7000

Connemara Farmer · 06-03-2015 11:17pm

Heard two things today. A hen harrier GLAS dairy farmer who would have to put his entire farm into the HH scheme which would disallow him from cutting silage - not sure on details so don't take that as globally applying to all HH farmers.

Second thing was anyone joining GLAS next year WOULD get a 5 year term.

skoger · 06-03-2015 11:34pm

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Heard two things today. A hen harrier GLAS dairy farmer who would have to put his entire farm into the HH scheme which would disallow him from cutting silage - not sure on details so don't take that as globally applying to all HH farmers.

Second thing was anyone joining GLAS next year WOULD get a 5 year term.

Would that mean a new CMP would be needed when another shareholder joins? Or does he not get paid for the commonage in year 5?

Connemara Farmer · 07-03-2015 12:24am

skoger wrote: »

Would that mean a new CMP would be needed when another shareholder joins? Or does he not get paid for the commonage in year 5?

Likely he pays into the existing one, not sure though. From what I was told it sounds like he gets a 5 year term from next year. Presumably that means the other farmers both start and finish a year ahead of the new farmer.

Birdnuts · 07-03-2015 1:23am

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Heard two things today. A hen harrier GLAS dairy farmer who would have to put his entire farm into the HH scheme which would disallow him from cutting silage - not sure on details so don't take that as globally applying to all HH farmers.

Second thing was anyone joining GLAS next year WOULD get a 5 year term.

Just reading a bit on this recently and it seems that the vast majority of HH SPA land is upland heath,scrub,forestry and rough grazing. Likely to be very little dairy in these areas and AFAIK the HH element of GLAS can only be applied for by people with land in these SPA areas. Some talk of folks being advised to split land into parcels to avail of different elements of GLAS to get the full payment. Might make sense if one has a parcel up a hill and a main holding in the lowlands or vice versa.

f2 · 22-03-2015 11:58pm

How do you qualify for Glas +, only info I can find requires membership of horse society in 2013

Farrell · 23-03-2015 10:22am

Only persons who had a SFP application in 2014 can apply this year, if you started farming in 2015 (bought/leased etc.) can you apply in 2016? or are you excluded from GLAS altogether?

Corkfarmer · 23-03-2015 10:31am

Am I right in saying only land you declared on your 2014 SFP form can be included in a 2015 Glas application? New leased land for 2015 will not be able to be included on your Glas application.

Corkfarmer · 23-03-2015 10:33am

f2 wrote: »

How do you qualify for Glas +, only info I can find requires membership of horse society in 2013

I think you have to exceed €5000 in a single tier 1 category. Disaster for me as I'm up to €4900 in a tier 1 primary action and am short about half an acre to get over the €5000.

patrickn · 23-03-2015 12:25pm

Corkfarmer wrote: »

Am I right in saying only land you declared on your 2014 SFP form can be included in a 2015 Glas application? New leased land for 2015 will not be able to be included on your Glas application.

Yes.

Looking at GLAS info

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