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14-03-2019, 15:28   #1
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The Luas: Badly designed?

Do you think there are design flaws with the luas and the signaling systems etc considering the amount of accident and actual deaths that have been linked with it.

Some incidents are definitely as a result of people running red lights etc but not all can be classed this way.

I wonder how much of a review takes places after each of the incidents
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Well, it's an inherently dangerous system. Running trams at frequency and speed in close proximity to pedestrians is just a risky thing to do. It is fine up to a certain point, but when the frequency goes high, you really need something segregated, like the proposed MetroLink.

The Luas safety record is actually not bad considering how busy the system is and how many interactions there are with pedestrians and other traffic.

The Rail Safety Commission looks at incidents. I don't really know what the protocol is for investigations.
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14-03-2019, 15:32   #3
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it was designed ??
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Do you think there are design flaws with the luas and the signaling systems etc considering the amount of accident and actual deaths that have been linked with it.

Some incidents are definitely as a result of people running red lights etc but not all can be classed this way.

I wonder how much of a review takes places after each of the incidents
I think if they painted it red or a luminous color so it would stand out other than grey.
Also people walking across in front of the Luas with headphones in or on their phone is modern day Darwinism and natural selection at its finest.
People are stuck to them and I guarantee you if they reviewed the cause of each incident a person on their phone or with headphones in is top of the list

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Do you think there are design flaws with the luas and the signaling systems etc considering the amount of accident and actual deaths that have been linked with it.
More than 440,000,000 million trips and only one (intending) passenger killed. Several other road users have died, but Luas has not been responsible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luas#Notable_incidents

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Some incidents are definitely as a result of people running red lights etc but not all can be classed this way.
The vast majority of injuries on railways are due to error by third parties.

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A lot more than a typical car crash.

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Badly designed? It looks like The Terminators mickey!
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I would guess its more to do with people ignoring lights and running out in front of it then the design of the tram.
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You can say the Luas wasn't responsible for these other incidents in some legal sense, but the system certainly did result in new risks to road-users.
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Only 6 pedestrians have been killed in 15 years, so less than one every two years with over 41.8 million passengers riding it safely annually (or almost 100 million people riding it safely every two years vs one person dying), and of course most deaths and accidents are through the fault of the pedestrian themselves anyway

The design is fine and as good or better than most tram systems world wide
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Apparently new figures have revealed that 100% of Luas incidents involved some sort of electric tram. It's a disgrace, Joe...
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The biggest design flaw was having two Luas lines in a relatively small city that didn't hook up imo.
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]I think if they painted it red or a luminous color so it would stand out other than grey. [/B]
Also people walking across in front of the Luas with headphones in or on their phone is modern day Darwinism and natural selection at its finest.
People are stuck to them and I guarantee you if they reviewed the cause of each incident a person on their phone or with headphones in is top of the list
Good point. It blends in with the dull city streets, plus the skies are grey over Dublin 3 quarters of the yr.

A new paint scheme could definitely reduce incidents.
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Badly designed? It looks like The Terminators mickey!
You mean The Traminator!

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Do you think there are design flaws with the luas and the signaling systems etc considering the amount of accident and actual deaths that have been linked with it.

What's the problem with the Luas signalling systems? I'm not aware of one incident involving the Luas where the tram itself broke a signal. There have been numerous minor collisions where cars broke traffic lights.

I'm also unaware of a single fatality that involved an occupant of a car or a tram itself. Unfortunaltely pedestrians have been the big losers but as vulnerable road users this is to be expected.
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