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The Luas: Badly designed?

magic_murph

Do you think there are design flaws with the luas and the signaling systems etc considering the amount of accident and actual deaths that have been linked with it.

Some incidents are definitely as a result of people running red lights etc but not all can be classed this way.

I wonder how much of a review takes places after each of the incidents

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punisher5112

iamwhoiam wrote: »

That would be seriously annoying for all people living close enough to the Luas to hear it .

Not high pitched but like a cat bell....

Just enough for the rodents.... I mean people... To hear

iamwhoiam

punisher5112 wrote: »

Not high pitched but like a cat bell....

Just enough for the rodents.... I mean people... To hear

Any bell loud enough to shift the eejits with headphones etc on would wake the kids in nearby homes !

nice_guy80

Should have built more of it

Alf Veedersane

Paulzx wrote: »

What's the problem with the Luas signalling systems? I'm not aware of one incident involving the Luas where the tram itself broke a signal

Well, apart from the crash with the bus on O'Connell St but the driver was acquitted on direction of the judge due to a degree of conflict in evidence

Alf Veedersane

Gulliver wrote: »

Is there any breakdown of where the unfortunate pedestrians were from? I'm just wondering if it was tourists or non-locals who weren't familiar with the system who got killed.

Unfortunate blind pedestrians you mean?

Ones who might not see the tracks or the tram?

KungPao

Too many stops is my gripe. And if they could add a short spur so it passes nearer to my house, that’d be great.

punisher5112

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Well, apart from the crash with the bus on O'Connell St but the driver was acquitted on direction of the judge due to a degree of conflict in evidence

Eh the Luas ran a signal.

The bus had a green light.

Alf Veedersane

punisher5112 wrote: »

Eh the Luas ran a signal.

The bus had a green light.

Eh, I'm not sure you read the post I quoted.

It said "I'm not aware of one incident involving the Luas where the tram itself broke a signal".

And I said "apart from the one where it crashed into the bus".

strandroad

punisher5112 wrote: »

It could do with a bell sounding all the time.

If you're on the luas in town the driver usually keeps sounding the bell all the time, because of rampant jaywalking. Often they don't even look right or left it's quite a sight.

People are so used to jaywalking and the cars accommodating them that they forget the luas cannot brake on the spot.

jrmb

I saw a tram painted yellow the other day as part of an advertising campaign. It was very visible but actually looked tidy and quite sharp. In Berlin all of the public transport vehicles are painted a similar colour and they look perfectly elegant. It could be a good idea for Dublin.

nice_guy80

jrmb wrote: »

I saw a tram painted yellow the other day as part of an advertising campaign. It was very visible but actually looked tidy and quite sharp. In Berlin all of the public transport vehicles are painted a similar colour and they look perfectly elegant. It could be a good idea for Dublin.

Paint them the colour of the line
I don't know why the line out to cabra wasn't called the yellow line etc
It's a completely different part of the city

Sheeps

The green line was designed to be upgraded to a metro system, with wider reinforced tracks, but then NIMBYism happened.

salmocab

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Paint them the colour of the line
I don't know why the line out to cabra wasn't called the yellow line etc
It's a completely different part of the city

You know that would mean having to repaint every tram every time it crosses the city from green to your yellow

Manic Moran

There is nothing as easy to avoid getting run over by as a large vehicle which weighs scores of tons, and does not approach from unexpected directions on unexpected paths. If you can't see the rail lines under your feet, you're probably not going to notice a yellow vehicle 60 feet away and closing.

iamwhoiam

salmocab wrote: »

You know that would mean having to repaint every tram every time it crosses the city from green to your yellow

They could use magic paint and have it drive through a car wash and change colours as it crosses town

Outlaw Pete

You'd be quicker walking than getting the Luas in many areas. Grand for certain parts of Dublin where it can pick up some speed but they made a mess off locating the stops in or around the city centre.

Nobody is going to walk from Henry St to Malbrough St, Dominick or Parnelll to get the Luas towards Grafton St, they'll just walk up instead and it's the same in the other direction. If you're around Grafton St are you going to walk over to Dawson or around the side of Trinity to get the Luas to O'Connell St? Nah, you'll just walk down as sure it's nearly as far.

They should have made it more user friendly and convenient to jump on and off by like the trams are in San Franciscooooo. Abbey St and Jervis were good locations though, so I guess it's just the Green Line city centre stops I think they dropped the ball on.

Anyway, with regards to safety, the stats ain't so bad.

supersaint3

iamwhoiam wrote: »

They could use magic paint and have it drive through a car wash and change colours as it crosses town

My little lad has a jumper and if you rub the picture on it one way it's Darth Vader and the other way it's a stormtrooper....

[Deleted User]

davidk1394 wrote: »

I think if they painted it red or a luminous color so it would stand out other than grey.
Also people walking across in front of the Luas with headphones in or on their phone is modern day Darwinism and natural selection at its finest.
People are stuck to them and I guarantee you if they reviewed the cause of each incident a person on their phone or with headphones in is top of the list

Is this a joke?

It's covered in a big yellow stripe. It's big, it's shiny in parts, and it runs along the same track every day, just a few minutes apart.

And you want it repainted? Maybe if drivers would just put their phones down and stop breaking red lights, then they'd stop crashing.

Do we need to paint all houses in hi-vis too now, to make it easy for drivers to avoid them?

https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1106246238863851520

Alf Veedersane

Hmmm. Definitely time for a complete overhaul of LUAS design.

andekwarhola

By its nature, it has to navigate through urban areas with other traffic and pedestrians. I think a certain level of accidents are inevitable and nearly all can't really be pinned on the luas trams. They're running on fixed tracks with clearly defined junctions. I commuted on the luas for years and the and witnessed first hand the amount of wanker behaviour from pedestrians and especially cars at junctions.

Keyzer

We've had the Luas for over a decade - everyone knows about it, knows where the tracks are and most people know what a tram/train looks like.

Its not the Luas's fault certain pedestrians are idiots or certain drivers don't give a toss about obeying the rules of the road.

OneArt

For years, I've lived in cities that are well-connected with many tram lines. Thankfully, have never actually seen someone get run over. But I've seen plenty of near misses with people and cars.

In all cases, it's the f*cking IDIOTS who have no idea how to conduct themselves in traffic.

1.) Tram line (right in front of the stop), bells ringing as the tram approaches and the pedestrian cross light has just turned red. There's a woman standing RIGHT BETWEEN the tracks (no headphones in), fiddling on her phone. The tram got so close the driver had to honk the horn and scares the sh!t out of her. She leaps forward and the tram just about misses slicing her foot off.

2.) Bunch of people waiting to cross. Pedestrian light is taking too long to turn green (it's Germany, so people tend to obey them a bit more...) people are hit with a sudden surge of impatience just as the tram is inches away. They run across the track like headless f*cking chickens and the driver has to honk the horn and break suddenly. They basically just run out in front of him. Morons.

3.) Traffic lights for cars turn green. One car stops completely on the tram lines, your man just sitting there scratching his balls or whatever. Tram pulls away from the station, starts ringing its bells really loudly. Car ignores it until its really close, then bombs away and nearly knocks a pedestrian off the footpath.

No, trams/trains are not badly designed. In fact, they're the safest form of public transport. Sure, they have accidents but cars have more fatalities. You can easily avoid it by NOT WALKING ON THE DAMN RAIL LINES which is easy to do. Especially in a city like Dublin where there aren't many to begin with.

There's talk of banning cars from Cologne city center which I'd definitely support. It would make it more cyclist friendly too and easier to get around. Driving through the center of any busy city is a pain in the arse anyway. It's usually much faster to cycle or get a tram (not a buses though).

ghostdancer

as with most things, idiot people are the problem.

also, like in other countries, the sooner we start putting cameras overlooking yellow boxes and fining vehicles that stop in them and cause Luas delays, the better.

H3llR4iser

OneArt wrote: »

For years, I've lived in cities that are well-connected with many tram lines. Thankfully, have never actually seen someone get run over. But I've seen plenty of near misses with people and cars.

Was going to say this - tram lines work almost exactly in the same way more or less everywhere (sure, there ARE cities where they're segregated and classified as "light railways"), I don't see why Dublin has to somehow be the exception where it "can't work". Sounds to me like the same silly opposition to building apartments I keep hearing.

OneArt wrote: »

In all cases, it's the f*cking IDIOTS who have no idea how to conduct themselves in traffic.

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2.) Bunch of people waiting to cross. Pedestrian light is taking too long to turn green (it's Germany, so people tend to obey them a bit more...) people are hit with a sudden surge of impatience just as the tram is inches away. They run across the track like headless f*cking chickens and the driver has to honk the horn and break suddenly. They basically just run out in front of him. Morons.

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Yeah this - you can hardly fault the tram line design for people being stupider than farm animals.

Something like this happened to be a few years ago in Cork, on the quay at the junction between Pana and Patrick's hill. I was stopped at the red light, people crossing; The little man turns red, people stop but I spot this moronic arsehole of an hippie, wearing gigantic noise canceling headphones, walking down at a pace towards the light - as my light turns green, he just crosses without even looking...and everyone follows behind.

[Deleted User]

Maybe we need more hi-vis on the bridges too? Let's just hi-vis everything, just to make certain that drivers don't have to actually pay attention to their driving.

https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1106552162702815232?s=19

kylith

antoinolachtnai wrote: »

You can say the Luas wasn't responsible for these other incidents in some legal sense, but the system certainly did result in new risks to road-users.

New risks? Like 'don't walk out in front of vehicles'? I'd have thought that was a fairly basic concept that anyone born outside of rural Mongolia would have come across.

iamwhoiam

kylith wrote: »

New risks? Like 'don't walk out in front of vehicles'? I'd have thought that was a fairly basic concept that anyone born outside of rural Mongolia would have come across.

I think even in rural Mongolia they would know to step aside if a horse came galloping by

punisher5112

Unfortunately there is no cure for stupid.

AMKC

It was designed and done wrong from the start. It should have been put up of stilts like the metro system in Sydney for instance. That way it would not have taken up the road space that it did and that could have still been used too so the traffic in the city would have been reduced as some people that drove in would now be able to use the trams that go along on tracks built up high over the roads not on them and there would not have to have been as many changes to traffic into the city so the vehicles would move along better now with less vehicles on it. But no they said it would be anti-social lol as if anyone getting on the Luas these day are social anyway with there eyes and ears addicted to there devices.

rossie1977

They have almost identical system in Nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlLXMaldlwk