Wireless Earphones

Boradriver · 07-05-2019 9:11pm

Tried the Outlier Airs in work today. Genuinely, they sound as good as, if not better than a pair of wired sennheisers I have. Genuinely impressed.

Pairing is easy, no issues. Haven't tested enough on calls yet to determine an opinion, the couple of tests I carried out were only for a few seconds. Person at the other end said I sounded a little distant. Again, I'm giving some time to test this more.

Overall, I think they're well worth the price.

Suckit · 08-05-2019 2:15am

dulpit wrote: »

I'd also be interested to hear how laggy they are for watching video?

There should be little to no lag with aptX.

blastman · 08-05-2019 10:58am

caviardreams wrote: »

10% off preorders for the new creative outlier air (10 hours battery life looks sweet!) code OUTLIERAIR
Free shipping also
https://en.creative.com/p/headphones-headsets/creative-outlier-air

Thanks for this, caved and finally ordered a pair, the code is still working so eight quid off makes them extremely attractive.

Boradriver · 08-05-2019 12:43pm

Day 2 - Getting frequent audio dropouts from each earbud. This was very pronounced while out walking, which is somewhat expected. Moving my phone (S8+) from left to right pockets improved the dropouts a little, however it still happened 10-15 times on a 15 minute walk.

I've reset the buds in their case, in order to see if this improved the situation, however it hasn't.

Sitting at my desk today with my phone at arms length away from me, I'm getting 1-2 short dropouts every 30 mins or so. A little disappointing but otherwise, these do sound great. Giving the benefit of the doubt that these are possibly an issue with my set.

Anyone else noticed anything similar?

garion · 08-05-2019 4:55pm

Boradriver wrote: »

Day 2 - Getting frequent audio dropouts from each earbud. This was very pronounced while out walking, which is somewhat expected. Moving my phone (S8+) from left to right pockets improved the dropouts a little, however it still happened 10-15 times on a 15 minute walk.

I've reset the buds in their case, in order to see if this improved the situation, however it hasn't.

Sitting at my desk today with my phone at arms length away from me, I'm getting 1-2 short dropouts every 30 mins or so. A little disappointing but otherwise, these do sound great. Giving the benefit of the doubt that these are possibly an issue with my set.

Anyone else noticed anything similar?

Wow, that's pretty disappointing. I'll have mine on Friday and I really hope I don't have the same issues. If I do they'll be going back. The main reason I went for these was because of the supposed rock-solid connection with aptX - drop outs drive me nuts!

Boradriver · 08-05-2019 5:07pm

garion wrote: »

Wow, that's pretty disappointing. I'll have mine on Friday and I really hope I don't have the same issues. If I do they'll be going back. The main reason I went for these was because of the supposed rock-solid connection with aptX - drop outs drive me nuts!

Yeah I know, it isn't great. Now I wouldn't worry too much yet, maybe it was some external factor or maybe it's my phone. I'll keep an eye on it and see how it goes.

caviardreams · 08-05-2019 6:32pm

I got mine today and used them whilst walking for an hour.

When my phone was in my coat pocket and I had my hood up they were fine connection-wise. The same when my phone was in my back jeans pocket. Zero issues. However, when I had my hand in my coat pocket over/covering my phone, it was breaking up all the time, like unlistenable. No issues without my hand covering it though so will monitor over the next few days.

Really comfy ear-wise though so hopefully it's just my hand blocking the bluetooth signal or something which I can work around.

Tippex · 08-05-2019 6:58pm

corkie wrote: »

New QCY TWS model? + More varieties of iXX TWS!

Balls I missed this

corkie · 08-05-2019 7:05pm

Tippex wrote: »

Balls I missed this

Think they just sold out of stock, that is why there at full price again now. They may pop up on offer again!

adox · 08-05-2019 7:32pm

zweton wrote: »

Anyone tested them running yet? Do they stay in?

I haven’t tested them running but I’ve literally shaken my head around with them in and they don’t budge at all. Seem to sit very well and secure and feel very light despite the bit of bulk they have.

adox · 08-05-2019 7:54pm

caviardreams wrote: »

I got mine today and used them whilst walking for an hour.

When my phone was in my coat pocket and I had my hood up they were fine connection-wise. The same when my phone was in my back jeans pocket. Zero issues. However, when I had my hand in my coat pocket over/covering my phone, it was breaking up all the time, like unlistenable. No issues without my hand covering it though so will monitor over the next few days.

Really comfy ear-wise though so hopefully it's just my hand blocking the bluetooth signal or something which I can work around.

I just tried this. Had the phone in my jeans pocket and pit my hand in as well more or less covering the phone and the signal breaks up completely.

I’ve been using them here for about half an hour with the phone in my jeans pocket and also sitting nearby me and I’ve had a couple of dropouts which is very disappointing.

Will give it another couple of days I think although I don’t see how this will improve.

I have a suspicion I will end up sending these back. The dropouts would drive me nuts.

Will be a real shame as the sound quality is excellent and they are super comfy.

I know a couple of people have posted their initial impressions with them and their dropout issues so would be keen to here from others.

adox · 08-05-2019 8:52pm

Listened for another hour and had another couple of drop outs.

Gonna contact Creative and arrange to send them back.

deisedevil · 08-05-2019 10:33pm

Just tried mine out. Wanted them for running and gym mostly. Can shake my head as hard as I like and jump about and they don't budge. So all good with the fit. Feels comfortable.

Sound is excellent.

Buttons are better than I had anticipated as I had seen reviews saying they were too hard to press. I think they are alright.

But. Getting drop outs. Sometimes one ear and sometimes both. I'll have to test them out a bit more as I had my phone in the kitchen as I moved about and maybe they are better when the phone is on you but it's disappointing. Nowhere near as good as the Bose soundsport connection I had. I really don't want to send these back, very pleased otherwise.

Suckit · 08-05-2019 10:34pm

To the people experiencing dropouts, have any firmwares been released? I know creative mentioned firmware updates to fix certain things on them, but I don't know if they rolled out those updates.
If they did, it could be that the update caused ome other issue, if not, it could be what the update is for.
I know in March that people were checking dropouts on thehardwarezone or soundguys, and saying there was none.

I think they have some troubleshooting steps on their Facebook page, but I'm not on FB so can't link to it. When I search there are tons of FB results.

garion · 08-05-2019 10:49pm

Some initial reviews up on AV Forums too - one person reporting bad dropouts but 2 others very happy. https://www.avforums.com/threads/creative-outlier-air.2227945/

adox · 08-05-2019 11:00pm

garion wrote: »

Some initial reviews up on AV Forums too - one person reporting bad dropouts but 2 others very happy. https://www.avforums.com/threads/creative-outlier-air.2227945/

To be clear, that’s my account on avforums reporting the dropouts.

Aph2016 · 08-05-2019 11:35pm

I have the jabra elite 65t active, they're great except lacking a little bass. Has anyone tried the jvc xx ear buds?

Suckit · 09-05-2019 12:08am

Thehardwarezone forum thread - https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/headphones-earphones-portable-media-devices-314/creative-outlier-air-truly-wireless-earphones-6001902.html
It's a long thread 47 pages.
Quoted from the last page:

DigDub wrote:

Can try master reset the earbuds if you find the connection dropping or intermittent.

eyeone wrote:

How do you perform a master reset?

DigDub wrote:

Put the earbuds inside the case till they are charging (blinking red) and press the buttons on both at the same time for about 5 seconds. It should blink blue once for both earbuds, means master reset already. Forget both earbuds connections in the Bluetooth settings on your phone and repair the phone to your earbuds again.

This may also be helpful - https://support.creative.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?catID=437&CatName=Headphones&subCatID=231&subCatName=MIDI+Keyboards&prodID=23297&prodName=Creative+Outlier+Air&bTopTwenty=1&VARSET=prodfaq:PRODFAQ_23297,VARSET=CategoryID:437

adox · 09-05-2019 9:51am

Ive been on to and got a reply from Creative and they have suggested trying the hard reset(as posted above)before doing anything else.

I`ll give it a go tonight and see if improves. I think the OP who posted problems with dropouts just re-paired them?

Boradriver · 09-05-2019 10:01am

adox wrote: »

Ive been on to and got a reply from Creative and they have suggested trying the hard reset(as posted above)before doing anything else.

I`ll give it a go tonight and see if improves. I think the OP who posted problems with dropouts just re-paired them?

Yeah I had tried that, reckon I didn't complete the hard reset correctly. Have since done that successfully and the dropouts seem to have stopped. Must test a bit more to be 100% sure.

corkie · 09-05-2019 12:38pm

Alfawise V5 TWS

^^^ Sound leakage?

Gearbest €22.75 + shipping!

Aliexpress from approx €27.00
^^^ Be-careful available in 4.0/5.0, so select correctly when ordering.

caviardreams · 09-05-2019 2:22pm

Boradriver wrote: »

Yeah I had tried that, reckon I didn't complete the hard reset correctly. Have since done that successfully and the dropouts seem to have stopped. Must test a bit more to be 100% sure.

When you do the hard reset I presume you have to repeat the initial pairing as if they were brand new again?

Boradriver · 09-05-2019 4:37pm

caviardreams wrote: »

When you do the hard reset I presume you have to repeat the initial pairing as if they were brand new again?

Yeah, exactly. Been using them again at my desk today, phone is arms length away from me & the dropouts started happening again.

Logged a request to return them. It's a real shame because other than the dropouts, they have it all. Sound, build quality, battery life is all great.

I'd love to think I just got a faulty set as I'd hope others don't have this issue.

zweton · 09-05-2019 5:06pm

I have been reading the airpods are really good for exercising/gym and never come out of your ears. A good bit more expensive i know but might get them.

corkie · 09-05-2019 5:49pm

zweton wrote: »

I have been reading the airpods are really good for exercising/gym and never come out of your ears. A good bit more expensive i know but might get them.

LOL!

If you want to fork out expensive money for a device with a battery that will probably render the device useless after approx 2 years of High usage?

Check the thread, multiple 1:1 clones posted for allot cheaper.

adox · 09-05-2019 6:21pm

Boradriver wrote: »

Yeah, exactly. Been using them again at my desk today, phone is arms length away from me & the dropouts started happening again.

Logged a request to return them. It's a real shame because other than the dropouts, they have it all. Sound, build quality, battery life is all great.

I'd love to think I just got a faulty set as I'd hope others don't have this issue.

That’s disappointing. Haven’t reset mine but fear it won’t help either.

adox · 09-05-2019 7:13pm

Reset mine and tested again for 30 minutes. Had 4 dropouts in that time.
Have contacted Creative again. Want to send them back at this stage.

garion · 09-05-2019 7:41pm

adox wrote: »

Reset mine and tested again for 30 minutes. Had 4 dropouts in that time.
Have contacted Creative again. Want to send them back at this stage.

Aw man, that really sucks. Was so looking forward to using these.

Odyssey 2005 · 09-05-2019 7:43pm

garion wrote: »

Aw man, that really sucks. Was so looking forward to using these.

Me too. Have been waiting to pull the trigger on something decent these seemed to fit the bill...doesn't look like it now though.

adox · 09-05-2019 8:03pm

garion wrote: »

Aw man, that really sucks. Was so looking forward to using these.

Yeah it does cause everything else about them is great. The sound is excellent. Decent passive isolation. Extremely comfortable and brilliant battery life.

Those dropouts though. They’d drive me mental. Such a shame.

Maybe they will get it sorted eventually.

corkie · 09-05-2019 8:50pm

SoundPEATS TWS <<<< Rebranded QCY!?

SoundPEATS TWS 5.0 Bluetooth Wireless Earphones True Wireless Earbuds in-Ear Stereo with Microphone Binaural Calls Headset
€ 23,94 € 36,27 -34%
^^^ Rebranded QCY QS2

true-wireless-earbuds-5-0-bluetooth-headphones-yKx19SvyClJH-Q.jpg

true-wireless-earbuds-5-0-bluetooth-headphones-yKx19SvyClJH-Q.jpg

SoundPEATS True Wireless Bluetooth Earbuds in-Ear Stereo TWS Bluetooth Headset Wireless Earphones True Wireless Bluetooth Earbud
€ 39,95 € 81,54 -51%
^^^ Rebranded QCY T1 with 2600mAH box.

613OY0xWpiL._SX569_.jpg

I was on the lookout for the large charging box, but believe the newer top, model is a better purchase now. Pity that it will probably get caught for VAT at that price. Link both to give people a choice?

Edit: - Also available on Amazon .co.uk/.es/.de for similar prices but don't ship here.

TitianGerm · 09-05-2019 11:09pm

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057979491/1/#post110143850

Anybody have these?

alan4cult · 09-05-2019 11:14pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057979491/1/#post110143850

Anybody have these?

Just ordered the Tolv Black with the 15% discount.

TitianGerm · 09-05-2019 11:17pm

alan4cult wrote: »

Just ordered the Tolv Black with the 15% discount.

Yep they we're the ones I was looking at. Hadn't heard of the brand before.

Edit: the black are available from Amazon for £75 but you'll need to use parcel motel or similar.

Suckit · 10-05-2019 1:22am

They seem to have been available in Asia - Japan and Singapore for longer than Europe.
I have seen the Niva reviewed and the much cheaper Tio, but not these. I think I'll hold off until a few have them, seem to be marketing the way Jabra did.
Review (and another coupon code if the first stops working) here:
https://thetechrevolutionist.com/2019/05/sudio-tolv-true-wireless-earphones-review.html

In general, the Sudio Tolv sounded quite neutral. We can feel that the product tries to work hard on the mids and highs. However, it fails to achieve a totality to capture the full essence of the music at those levels. This then causes an unpleasant crack when the vocals reaches a higher range. Also, it felt that the earbuds weren’t able to follow through on certain percussion instruments, such as the cymbals and tambourine. The effort to increase bass had an impact on the mids as well, as the audio produced sounded somewhat muffled and uninteresting.

In conclusion, the Sudio Tolv did manage to live up to what it promises as a pair of True Wireless Earphones. If I had to make a choice between the Sudio Tolv and the Apple Airpods, I would choose the Sudio Tolv anytime, due to its better audio quality and comfort, while retaining a portable and clean design. However, if your focus is on audiophile levels of sound quality, the Sudio Tolv simply does not live up that expectation. It has a bit of everything in the lows, mids and highs, but that is essentially what makes it that boring.

Another review
https://nasilemaktech.com/review-discount-sudio-tolv/

caviardreams · 10-05-2019 5:58pm

Used my outlier airs for 2.5 hours straight today - in my coat pocket and back jeans pocket (but not hands covering!) and was walking so phone was jiggling around etc. Zero dropouts the whole time. Was also walking between kitchen and living room (open plan apartment so not a massive distance) and no dropouts either. Will monitor over the next while and if the only issue is when I am covering my phone with my hand in my pocket I will keep them for sure, as they are mainly for the gym when they would not even be in a pocket.

Hoping they work out as I love them otherwise

The only way to turn them off though I think is to put them back in the case which also charges them. This seems a bit of a waste if you have only used them for an hour or whatever and don't actually need to charge them, but I guess all the completely wire-free ones seem to be like this.

adox · 10-05-2019 6:19pm

caviardreams wrote: »

Used my outlier airs for 2.5 hours straight today - in my coat pocket and back jeans pocket (but not hands covering!) and was walking so phone was jiggling around etc. Zero dropouts the whole time. Was also walking between kitchen and living room (open plan apartment so not a massive distance) and no dropouts either. Will monitor over the next while and if the only issue is when I am covering my phone with my hand in my pocket I will keep them for sure, as they are mainly for the gym when they would not even be in a pocket.

Hoping they work out as I love them otherwise

The only way to turn them off though I think is to put them back in the case which also charges them. This seems a bit of a waste if you have only used them for an hour or whatever and don't actually need to charge them, but I guess all the completely wire-free ones seem to be like this.

I’m glad for you and a little jealous. I wish mine worked well. They are going back early next week. They’ve sent me a return label and told me to send by registered post and scan the receipt to them, so I presume I have to pay for the postage. Still waiting for clarification on that and if so if they refund that too(which I hope they do)

Just a quick one on your hand over the phone in the pocket problem which I replicated, when I did a hard reset, although it still didn’t sort out my drop out problems, it did sort out the hand over the phone in the pocket problem so may be worth considering if it annoys you.

caviardreams · 10-05-2019 8:55pm

adox wrote: »

Just a quick one on your hand over the phone in the pocket problem which I replicated, when I did a hard reset, although it still didn’t sort out my drop out problems, it did sort out the hand over the phone in the pocket problem so may be worth considering if it annoys you.

Cool, thanks Adox. I am kinda afraid to mess with it in case it makes it worse LOL, but good to keep in mind.

I have sent back a faulty product to creative before and they refunded the postage no problem, that's why they need the scan of the receipt.

Hope you find some earphones that suit soon!

garion · 10-05-2019 9:10pm

caviardreams wrote: »

Used my outlier airs for 2.5 hours straight today - in my coat pocket and back jeans pocket (but not hands covering!) and was walking so phone was jiggling around etc. Zero dropouts the whole time. Was also walking between kitchen and living room (open plan apartment so not a massive distance) and no dropouts either. Will monitor over the next while and if the only issue is when I am covering my phone with my hand in my pocket I will keep them for sure, as they are mainly for the gym when they would not even be in a pocket.

Hoping they work out as I love them otherwise

The only way to turn them off though I think is to put them back in the case which also charges them. This seems a bit of a waste if you have only used them for an hour or whatever and don't actually need to charge them, but I guess all the completely wire-free ones seem to be like this.

I tried mine today for the first time on a 5km run. Fit was good and they didn't move while I ran so very happy with that.
I connected them to my Garmin watch on my left wrist with primary bud being the left one. No drop outs at all so again very happy.

I'll try then out with my phone in pocket over the weekend. So far so good though.

caviardreams · 10-05-2019 9:39pm

garion wrote: »

I tried mine today for the first time on a 5km run. Fit was good and they didn't move while I ran so very happy with that.
I connected them to my Garmin watch on my left wrist with primary bud being the left one. No drop outs at all so again very happy.

I'll try then out with my phone in pocket over the weekend. So far so good though.

I don't want to go off topic from bargains but what is the significance of the main unit and secondary unit thing? I can't understand how it matters and why you would want to reassign them as the instructions indicate. Does it matter which is which? Both can answer calls, pause and play etc. from what I can see?

maximoose · 11-05-2019 7:26am

My outliers shipped yesterday, have the tracking number and due to be here Tuesday. Order status all normal.

Oddly though they reverted my card payment this morning

Baggly · 11-05-2019 7:31am

maximoose wrote:

My outliers shipped yesterday, have the tracking number and due to be here Tuesday. Order status all normal.

Ditto. Fingers crossed now after the mixed reviews in this thread.

OmegaGene · 11-05-2019 8:05am

Just thought I’d give an update on these

https://m.ebay.co.uk/orderDetails?itemId=254142981241&txnId=2440821084015&skus=Model:Twin%20Earbud%20with%20Carry%20Case&varId=553490750277

I charged the unit/power bank on arrival and I’ve been using them daily for 90 minutes at least for the last two weeks with no issues and I haven’t had to recharge the power bank yet, not bad for the money I paid £15 on daily deal and they are now £20

Copper_pipe · 11-05-2019 10:31am

What would be the best AirPod clone?

Suckit · 11-05-2019 11:35am

Copper_pipe wrote: »

What would be the best AirPod clone?

I think it depends on who you ask and where they bought them. There are so many now, and they range from $4 (probably being resold at €40) up to hundreds on Chinese sites.
There are the i7s up to the i20s (i30s due out soon if not already) and many may have the same internals or worse.

The XY Pods
AirPod Super Copy (Identical looking in size and shape).

There are own-brand versions like the Huawei Honor FlyPods and FlyPods Pro and Lite versions.
Xiaomi Airdots and Airdots Pro and many more.
The list is huge and growing.

corkie · 11-05-2019 12:33pm

Copper_pipe wrote: »

What would be the best AirPod clone?

corkie wrote: »

i30 TWS Pop-up 1:1 size Replica Wireless earphone 6D Super Bass Bluetooth 5.0 Earphone i30tws PK w1 chip 1:1 i10 i20 tws i12 tws

Suckit wrote: »

There are the i7s up to the i20s (i30s due out soon if not already) and many may have the same internals or worse.

The problem with the iXXs TWS series is there is clones of clones from various resellers at varying prices. And it is put luck if you get a good and reliable version. Check youtube reviews as the i30 TWS is recent, nobody on here has probably got it to review yet.

Suckit · 11-05-2019 1:20pm

corkie wrote: »

The W1 chip is optimised for Apple products, so if using with Android, it won't be of much benefit. I didn't watch the video, but going by the titles of the other videos (apart from the cryptocurrency ones) the reviewers seem to mention that as an advantage.
Youtube 'reviewers' are often people who have signed up to an affiliate program and emailed a few stores promising reviews. I would rely more on user forums over those.
The reviewers of these seem to have declared them as the best without any other reviews of the other models.

Tazium · 12-05-2019 12:50pm

maximoose wrote: »

My outliers shipped yesterday, have the tracking number and due to be here Tuesday. Order status all normal.

Oddly though they reverted my card payment this morning

I had the same, mine arrived day after shipping but they reverted my payment too.

gozunda · 12-05-2019 1:53pm

deisedevil wrote: »

Just tried mine out. Wanted them for running and gym mostly. Can shake my head as hard as I like and jump about and they don't budge. So all good with the fit. Feels comfortable.

Sound is excellent.

Buttons are better than I had anticipated as I had seen reviews saying they were too hard to press. I think they are alright.

But. Getting drop outs. Sometimes one ear and sometimes both. I'll have to test them out a bit more as I had my phone in the kitchen as I moved about and maybe they are better when the phone is on you but it's disappointing. Nowhere near as good as the Bose soundsport connection I had. I really don't want to send these back, very pleased otherwise.

I have a pair of the Bose ones.. I've tried others and nope I keep going back to the ones I know works tbh.

Basq · 12-05-2019 11:45pm

Went with QCY's on AliExpress for a smidge over €20.

Meant to be excellent.

2019 QCY T2C TWS BT5.0 Wireless Earphones with Dual Mircophone 3D Stereo Bluetooth Headphones For All Phones
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/ra1Hu2M

Wireless Earphones

Comments