Expectation of Men to do physical Work in certain Jobs

Problem Of Motivation · 30-08-2019 10:44am

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

All that being said, I don't really care. They got paid 77% less than I did so **** it.

But that's probably changed since!

Reviews and Books Galore · 30-08-2019 11:17am

Silentcorner wrote: »

He is dealing with an amateur supervisor, who has fostered a fairly noxious working environment, as amateurs tend to do and he is struggling to stand up for himself in a manner that is effective for him...if this was a young woman who was being made to make the tea for everyone or expected to clean the kitchen the tone of this thread would be a little different also!

True. Maybe his boss is a b itch in the same ways that some male bosses are c un with a missing letter.

But, you have to eat **** in a job unfortch and you should get it out of the way now. I never got the hang of not taking things personally or hating my job and I kind of wish I did.

Really, OP, eat **** as it will help you when you find a job you love. Just bottle up all those issues and anger and accept your paycheck.

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Anecdotal bull**** coming right up.

Used to work in a sports store in Liffey Valley. Boxes of gear used to come in boxes that had to be carried upstairs. Not a single female carried those 20+ daily boxes up to the stockroom upstairs. Few females even worked in the stockroom other than the unboxing jobs.

Generally, the girls did the clothing lines, the guys did the footwear lines, the guys did the stockroom. There were occasional exceptions, but they were serious outliers.

All that being said, I don't really care. They got paid 77% less than I did so **** it.

Were they part time?

Oh, I have a quick story. I was working in a place where we got deliverys every few weeks and all the men folk were expected to empty a van. The ladies had a cup of tea and gawked at the men lifting. As in, you know, pent up style. I enjoyed it, but just an interesting situation.

And, the foreign manager was very happy to get stuck in, and the Irish manager actually didn't. Funnilly enough, I do remember the gawking becoming more extreme under the Irish manager.

Doesn't have any relation to anything, just an interesting memory.

Edit: Just another add to the op to just weather it. All jobs suck at some point, and just push through and turn your brain off tbh.

Assetbacked · 30-08-2019 11:32am

What's the issue here? Men and women are not physically equal, men are generally a lot stronger than women. We get paid more for our stronger attributes in line with the benefits we have. The only issue is when women claim they deserve the same amount for less work.

YFlyer · 30-08-2019 11:37am

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Anecdotal bull**** coming right up.

Used to work in a sports store in Liffey Valley. Boxes of gear used to come in boxes that had to be carried upstairs. Not a single female carried those 20+ daily boxes up to the stockroom upstairs. Few females even worked in the stockroom other than the unboxing jobs.

Generally, the girls did the clothing lines, the guys did the footwear lines, the guys did the stockroom. There were occasional exceptions, but they were serious outliers.

All that being said, I don't really care. They got paid 77% less than I did so **** it.

You mean 77% of what you got?

YFlyer · 30-08-2019 11:40am

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

For the record I was taking the piss entirely.

Scratch my question..lol

30-08-2019 11:47am

Sounds like somebody is struggling to understand it’s called work for a reason or they’re just a whining, lazy and emasculated wimp with no idea how to be a man.

rd1izb7lvpuksx · 30-08-2019 11:49am

Adrian Future Cheesecake wrote: »

Here we go again. Even a carton of milk was a problem.

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

This is still definitely a thing. I see it in my work and even though there are countless campaigns emphasising health and safety and to "share the load" when lifting or transporting loads from one area to the other there is still a hidden inference that by actually asking for help, you are being a bit of a nuisance and are somehow less of a man for asking. Now for me to say that I have evidence to back it up as I have seen lots of guys roll their eyes when asked to help me and a little passive aggressive dig or joke along the lines of "Jaysus did you ever put your back into anything?" which I usually respond with "this place isn't worth putting your back OUT for!".

Of course this is just my workplace and experience, im sure all workplaces are different.

I'll always ask for help, because everyone doing this kind of work will have done their manual handling training and have seen the diagram that Adrian Future Cheesecake posted above. If you don't follow the training, you won't be covered if there's an accident.

I never like a layabout, even when asking for two-man lifts for loads either of us could throw around with no bother, because it's the company's choice. Sometimes I have to call in other crews and wait hours, but again, it's the company's choice - who am I to overrule?

nthclare · 30-08-2019 11:49am

Looks like someone's boxing clever

Hotblack Desiato · 30-08-2019 12:37pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They should realize that kind of work you need to be broken in to gradually etc.

Are you talking about sex work?

mariaalice · 30-08-2019 12:51pm

God help him when he has a home and has to dig a garden, paint, do maintenance, move furniture do some work on his car and a million other tasks that require physically hard work.

mariaalice · 30-08-2019 12:53pm

Also avoiding work and leaving it for someone else to do is lazy it's not being clever and yes it's going to affect peoples opinion of you and not in a good way.

blinding · 30-08-2019 1:56pm

Women only get you to do that physical work to check out your bum action .

They see it as training for young bucks .

Problem Of Motivation · 30-08-2019 1:56pm

mariaalice wrote: »

God help him when he has a home and has to dig a garden, paint, do maintenance, move furniture do some work on his car and a million other tasks that require physically hard work.

But that's different isn't it. At least in that case if I hurt myself, I wouldn't have to live with the memory that I was coerced into doing something that I didn't feel safe doing. At least I would know that no one else played a part in my decision. That is what makes all the difference in the world.

Problem Of Motivation · 30-08-2019 1:58pm

mariaalice wrote: »

Also avoiding work and leaving it for someone else to do is lazy it's not being clever and yes it's going to affect peoples opinion of you and not in a good way.

Yeah but I probably went home needing an hour less sleep that night than the other fella!

Problem Of Motivation · 30-08-2019 1:59pm

blinding wrote: »

Women only get you to do that physical work to check out your bum action .

Yeah well it never got me laid, so fcek that!

Hotblack Desiato · 30-08-2019 1:59pm

mariaalice wrote: »

Also avoiding work and leaving it for someone else to do is lazy it's not being clever and yes it's going to affect peoples opinion of you and not in a good way.

Not when it's a woman avoiding the work, it seems

blinding · 30-08-2019 2:04pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

Yeah well it never got me laid, so fcek that!

You are not bucking your ar$e enough when you are lifting and don’t forget the guttural grunts .;)

mariaalice · 30-08-2019 2:16pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Not when it's a woman avoiding the work, it seems

I would have as equally a poor opinion of a woman who avoided work and left it for someone else.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-08-2019 2:17pm

By making the men do the lifting, that's exactly what they are doing

mariaalice · 30-08-2019 2:18pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

Yeah well it never got me laid, so fcek that!

Also women don't tend to find lazy men attractive another motivation for not avoiding work.

Woke Hogan · 30-08-2019 2:23pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Not necessarily not being able for hard physical labor doesn't mean a man is soft.

I doubt Rees Moggs wouldn't last a min in a job requiring hard labor. I wouldn't call him soft.

He’s as soft as ****e.

Problem Of Motivation · 30-08-2019 2:30pm

mariaalice wrote: »

Also women don't tend to find lazy men attractive another motivation for not avoiding work.

It depends on the circumstances, but it's not as simple as you make it out. I would actually disagree with you... for a number of reasons. Women don't find it attractive to see a man being told what to do.

Secondly, it's not because I'm lazy, as you should have been able to gather from the post.

Woke Hogan · 30-08-2019 2:31pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

It depends on the circumstances, but it's not as simple as you make it out. I would actually disagree with you... for a number of reasons. Women don't find it attractive to see a man being told what to do.

Secondly, it's not because I'm lazy, as you should have been able to gather from the post.

You’re a bit of a whinger though.

Problem Of Motivation · 30-08-2019 2:33pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

You’re a bit of a whinger though.

Still, women find it attractive when a man has the confidence to speak his mind! Since those are the thoughts on mind mine, I will often speak up.

Woke Hogan · 30-08-2019 2:34pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

Women find it attractive when a man has the confidence to speak his mind!

They don’t find whining attractive though.

Problem Of Motivation · 30-08-2019 2:36pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

They don’t find whining attractive though.

Who said I was whining? Maybe the boards post looks like whinning, but it didn't look like I was whining in the factory those days.

It seems that what you call whining, I call standing up for myself. What looks attractive is that I couldn't be bothered putting myself at risk because I am high value. I'm not trying to prove anything. Besides, the ladies know I'm fit as fcuk when they see me with my shirt off anyway.

Woke Hogan · 30-08-2019 2:41pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

Who said I was whining? Maybe the boards post looks like whinning, but it didn't look like I was whining in the factory those days.

It seems that what you call whining, I call standing up for myself. What looks attractive is that I couldn't be bothered putting myself at risk because I am high value. I'm not trying to prove anything. Besides, the ladies know I'm fit as fcuk when they see me with my shirt off anyway.

I’m saying you’re whining. You’re a whinger.

30-08-2019 2:43pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

I am high value.

Your content isn't.

Redneck Reject · 30-08-2019 2:46pm

My job is about 95% physical, mucking stalls, training young horses, repairs around the property. I also work with 2 female students who are as thin as beanpoles, heh. But they do their work without asking for help, unless it's something very heavy. They will ask me for help but they never just sit back and expect me to do it myself. I have a lot of respect for them, whereas with the OP, can't say I do.

Problem Of Motivation · 30-08-2019 2:49pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I’m saying you’re whining. You’re a whinger.

I know what you're saying and you are wrong my friend.

Woke Hogan · 30-08-2019 2:56pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

I know what you're saying and you are wrong my friend.

I don’t think I am, pal.

Anyway, next time you have to pick something up leave it to the men and you can make the tea for the boys in the canteen.

Problem Of Motivation · 30-08-2019 2:56pm

Redneck Reject wrote: »

My job is about 95% physical, mucking stalls, training young horses, repairs around the property. I also work with 2 female students who are as thin as beanpoles, heh. But they do their work without asking for help, unless it's something very heavy. They will ask me for help but they never just sit back and expect me to do it myself. I have a lot of respect for them, whereas with the OP, can't say I do.

Yeah, but what if the girls weren't pulling their weight? Would u just do it all yourself? You weren't in the same dilemma as me, so cut out your talk about respect.

Redneck Reject · 30-08-2019 3:07pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

Yeah, but what if the girls weren't pulling their weight? Would u just do it all yourself? You weren't in the same dilemma as me, so cut out your talk about respect.

I have done it myself for a time, then they hired the students so they could get experience. It shouldn't matter who does what as long as the work gets done. These students could probably work rings around you.

Problem Of Motivation · 30-08-2019 3:12pm

Redneck Reject wrote: »

It shouldn't matter who does what as long as the work gets done.

Well in my case the work did get done, so why does it matter if I didn't do the heavy lifting? Yet so say you don't have respect for me. You're contradicting yourself.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-08-2019 3:31pm

Op, how do you feel this thread has gone? Do you feel there’s a trend in the responses? What have you learned from asking the question?

Genuinely fascinated that you’re so surprised by the realities of working life.

endacl · 30-08-2019 3:47pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

Well in my case the work did get done, so why does it matter if I didn't do the heavy lifting? Yet so say you don't have respect for me. You're contradicting yourself.

You certainly do a fair share of the heavy lifting when it comes to starting stupid threads about non issues.

Fair play.

Arne_Saknussem · 30-08-2019 3:48pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I don’t I am, pal.

Anyway, next time you have to pick something up leave it to the men and you can make the tea for the boys in the canteen.

That's not very woke Hogan.

Raconteuse · 30-08-2019 4:23pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

What looks attractive is that I couldn't be bothered putting myself at risk because I am high value.

Ah now, while I think people should go a bit easier on you (a point can be made without insults), just... no (that's if you're serious).

pinkyeye · 30-08-2019 8:00pm

Am I right in picking up that this is the same poster that got offended because someone asked him to go for milk at a funeral??

If it is then it quite obviously an outright windup or a man with serious issues.

Dakota Dan · 30-08-2019 9:12pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

With this thread I hope to highlight the situation that some men are put in with the expectations upon them to do the lifting, and how people may take for granted of them. The problem is that people will think a guy is a pussy if he takes caution or refuses to lift things, but I would actually say that sometimes it takes courage to refuse to lift.

One day in a factory where I worked, I was being passed heavy boxes over 4 foot wall. It wasn't in my usual line of work. I said I'd do a few, but then the boxes just kept coming and coming. Eventually I put my foot down and said to the supervisor "I need to know how many more of these boxes are due to come, and I might need help in lifting them". He was surprised that I said this and smiled at me. He said "yeah yeah, of course", and I called another guy from further up the line to come lift with me. I'm bloody glad I did ask for help because there were about another 40 boxes came!! It wasn't just the fact that it was badly planned, but the attitude of the supervisor when I spoke up. And I know it's very unlikely but any time a freak accident happens, it will be a guy that gets something like a finger chopped off.

Another time I remember when I was taking bacterial samples in a factory, once part I had to get to was up a high ladder. The lady showing the routine (first day) had to get another guy to go up there to show me the routine because she was "afraid of heights". When it came to asking someone to climb the ladder for her, there was this sudden change in her demeanor and she sort of acted like a little girl... like it was supposed to be cute that she couldn't be bothered putting herself at risk. She eventually said to a senior male colleague "can you get 'one of the lads' to go up there for me?". He replied "if you want me to go up the ladder, just ask". He had to bring me up and show me what to do.

Story about another manual Labor Dilemma I once faced

Another day at this factory I was working on a production line and part of the task involved lifting 25 kg boxes from a pallet and lifting them over to the conveyor line. There were about three people on each side of the production line, but the pallet of boxes was on one side of the conveyor. After a few minutes of work, the supervisor (female) came by and just said "two guys on this side". Seeing as I had been doing all the lifting work the previous day, I decided I'd stay where I was on the side that didn't involve lifting. Another poor guy on my side realised that I wasn't budging so he moved over instead of me. For the next hour I could tell that he was sort of looking over towards me with disgust at my laziness. You see if it were a male supervisor calling these same shots then at least I might feel that he'd have done years of lifting himself!

But the previous day when I had been doing all the heavy lifting, I had made sure that I was lifting correctly, and that I took my time. At one point in time I could see this supervisor staring at me. Maybe I'm surmising, but it was as if she was thinking to herself "would that lazy guy not go a bit faster?". When there was a bit of down time, I decided to sit on the boxes for about 30 seconds or so. Every now and then when I'd sit on the boxes I'd be aware that she could see, and I knew that I wouldn't get into trouble as long as I didn't do it right in front of her. But this day, I'd had enough of her nastiness towards me. I sat there until I knew she'd have to do something. She gave a gesture with here hands for me to get up, as if I was a dog almost. I just looked right at her. I got up in my own time... albeit only a few seconds later. But it was enough to piss her off. Straight away she walkie talkied to some manager, and then told me to report to him. I said to her that if that manager wants to speak to me, then he knows where I am. At this point she threw a complete tantrum.

Later she was gossiping about me to other Polish fork lift drivers that were passing by. I could tell by the way they were looking over at me. For about the next hour I was fearing when and if that manager was going to show up and see me, and what would happen if he did? He didn't show in the end! I'm not saying I got away with it, but that was all that happen that day.

I hope there is never a disaster or war because of the amount of pansies around nowadays, man the fcuk up.

blinding · 30-08-2019 9:23pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I hope there is never a disaster or war because of the amount of pansies around nowadays, man the fcuk up.

The women and the Trans people age doing the fighting the next time . We men will be making the sandwiches this time .

Equality and all that .

El_Duderino 09 · 30-08-2019 10:13pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I hope there is never a disaster or war because of the amount of pansies around nowadays, man the fcuk up.

There have always been “pansies”. This poster, posts from the point of view of a clueless yolk alright. Not sure if they’re serious or parody but it doesn’t really matter. There were always “pansies” and if there were a disaster, they young people would do the dirty work as always. Don’t worry you’ll wrinkley aul self.

fat zombie · 30-08-2019 11:21pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I hope there is never a disaster or war because of the amount of pansies around nowadays, man the fcuk up.

Ireland unlike Europe has been spared the horrors of war, this has led us to a situation where the herd needs to be culled.
Many men walking the streets today carry DNA that would not have survived in a war torn continental Europe.
More proof of there need to cull the herd, look at the state of Irish women versus the continental women! The men went of to war and died in great numbers, the women stayed at home, when war was over the returning men where outnumbered by the women in a big way, therefor the women had to compete for the attention of the few men.
Irish women did not have to fight for the attention of the men, they let themselves go in a big way, thankfully in the last decades the continental woman have come to Ireland, and forced the Irish girls to raise their game.
There still is a large problem of weak feeble men and slovenly women, a hard Brexit and a serious recession would go someway to fixing the problem.

Arne_Saknussem · 30-08-2019 11:39pm

fat zombie wrote: »

Ireland unlike Europe has been spared the horrors of war, this has led us to a situation where the herd needs to be culled.
Many men walking the streets today carry DNA that would not have survived in a war torn continental Europe.
More proof of there need to cull the herd, look at the state of Irish women versus the continental women! The men went of to war and died in great numbers, the women stayed at home, when war was over the returning men where outnumbered by the women in a big way, therefor the women had to compete for the attention of the few men.
Irish women did not have to fight for the attention of the men, they let themselves go in a big way, thankfully in the last decades the continental woman have come to Ireland, and forced the Irish girls to raise their game.
There still is a large problem of weak feeble men and slovenly women, a hard Brexit and a serious recession would go someway to fixing the problem.

Jaysis, the edge on that :eek:

fat zombie · 30-08-2019 11:43pm

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

Jaysis, the edge on that :eek:

Is true , so you can't debate it and just post a nothing comment

El_Duderino 09 · 30-08-2019 11:58pm

fat zombie wrote: »

Is true , so you can't debate it and just post a nothing comment

What’s the point debating it? You think evolution happens in a single generation? If you’re so keen on culling the herd, volunteer yourself for scrutiny first. Would you be deemed “fit” for survival, do you think?

fat zombie · 31-08-2019 12:06am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What’s the point debating it? You think evolution happens in a single generation? If you’re so keen on culling the herd, volunteer yourself for scrutiny first. Would you be deemed “fit” for survival, do you think?

1.90 metres
85kg
married
3 children
wife is a stay at home mum
i earn good money
thats what you will be measured against

Redneck Reject · 31-08-2019 12:08am

Where is Anderas77 when we need him?

El_Duderino 09 · 31-08-2019 12:09am

fat zombie wrote: »

1.90 metres
85kg
married
3 children
wife is a stay at home mum
i earn good money
thats what you will be measured against

Ah, we’ll be measured against you. That’s convenient for you. Well if you say so it must be true. Lol.

Arne_Saknussem · 31-08-2019 12:28am

fat zombie wrote: »

Is true , so you can't debate it and just post a nothing comment

Lacks originality or any kind of wit.

3/10 and that's being kind.

Expectation of Men to do physical Work in certain Jobs

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