UFC 251 - Usman vs Masvidal Sat July 11th

AbusesToilets · 12-07-2020 6:01am

MrStuffins wrote: »

If you had Max winning, fair enough.

But to call that a robbery is ludicrous. The judges were watching the same fight I was anyway.

Volk did nothing in that fight. Max controlled the ring the entire time, kept him under pressure. Volk's takedowns went nowhere, Max easily dealt with them.

EagererBeaver · 12-07-2020 6:03am

Aldo by KO/TKO

Coming out to the Scarface music!

MrStuffins · 12-07-2020 6:03am

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Volk did nothing in that fight. Max controlled the ring the entire time, kept him under pressure. Volk's takedowns went nowhere, Max easily dealt with them.

The fight is scored by round.

What score did you have it?

12-07-2020 6:04am

Aldo by KO/TKO

Let's go Street Jesus.

iLikeWaffles · 12-07-2020 6:04am

Mellor wrote: »

Ok, what is your alternative intelligent way of defending from there?

Obviously not getting into that position is optimal.

What are you talking about? There is no defence! You can cover your face all you want. When you admit defeat by shelling up like that there's 2 options: ref stops it or by some miracle you stop receiving punches. Doesn't matter how experienced you are if you can't see punches you're not defending them.

Whelo79 · 12-07-2020 6:04am

Yan by Sub

I have to agree with others, I thought Max took that all day long. Completely controlled the pace, controlled the octogon, 2 knockdowns, never looked in any danger. A close tight fight, but a poor decision

oyvey · 12-07-2020 6:04am

EagererBeaver wrote: »

He's hinting towards a 10-8 rule.

Exactly. I thought it was 10-9 anyway without the knockdowns.

MrStuffins · 12-07-2020 6:04am

EagererBeaver wrote: »

He's hinting towards a 10-8 rule.

I understand that. It's classic after-timing though.

Mellor · 12-07-2020 6:06am

Aldo by KO/TKO

I thought Max had it. But as I said I didn’t round score while watching.
Anyone saying a robbery either doesn’t understand scoring or is just being dramatic.
Razor close decision either way.

MrStuffins · 12-07-2020 6:06am

oyvey wrote: »

Exactly. I thought it was 10-9 anyway without the knockdowns.

I think there should be way more 10-8 rounds.

But thank God we don't have arbitrary 10-8 rounds due to knock downs. That would be farce! The sport is too dynamic for that rubbish

2u2me · 12-07-2020 6:07am

Masvidal to be finished for the first time!. Usman is a fantastic fighter

EagererBeaver · 12-07-2020 6:08am

Aldo by KO/TKO

Whelo79 wrote: »

I have to agree with others, I thought Max took that all day long. Completely controlled the pace, controlled the octogon, 2 knockdowns, never looked in any danger. A close tight fight, but a poor decision

I agree, but there's a world of difference between a decision in a close fight going the wrong way compared to what you think and it being a robbery.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-07-2020 6:08am

Yan by Sub

Usman, that is all

MrStuffins · 12-07-2020 6:08am

2u2me wrote: »

Masvidal to be finished for the first time!. Usman is a fantastic fighter

Or fourth time......

MrStuffins · 12-07-2020 6:10am

This is how Verdict MMA had it scored anyway......

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCh4KB3Jxpm/?igshid=1xk3sy1pi90mj

12-07-2020 6:11am

Aldo by KO/TKO

Masvidal is different breed.

EagererBeaver · 12-07-2020 6:11am

Aldo by KO/TKO

oyvey wrote: »

Exactly. I thought it was 10-9 anyway without the knockdowns.

There is no mandatory 10-8 rule in MMA. Whether you think there should be is irrelevant. The rounds were scored according to the rules of the sport.

There's no way either of those two knock-downs should have turned both those rounds into 10-8s under the rules as they currently stand.

darced · 12-07-2020 6:11am

I hope Mas can pull something off.

hawaii501 · 12-07-2020 6:12am

Masvidal by KO/TKO

As they say, 'don't give the judge a decision'.

Thought max won Rd 1 & 2, volk Rd 4 & 5.
Round 3 was either way and I think for very close fights like that, the champ always gets the nod.

Would love Masvidal to win here but just can't see it at all, hopefully another war.

2u2me · 12-07-2020 6:12am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Or fourth time......

Do you mean in his career or in the UFC? I think the commentator(bt sports) said he's never been stopped in the UFC

Mellor · 12-07-2020 6:13am

Aldo by KO/TKO

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

What are you talking about? There is no defence! You can cover your face all you want. When you admit defeat by shelling up like that there's 2 options: ref stops it or by some miracle you stop receiving punches. Doesn't matter how experienced you are if you can't see punches you're not defending them.

There’s 3 basic ways to defend. Move, block or counter. Theres levels to it of course, but it all boils down to those three.
If you can’t move, and can’t counter. Block is the best option.

You keep saying it’s admitting defeat. But you haven’t offered a better option?
Repeating that the ref should have stopped it is not the point.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-07-2020 6:14am

Yan by Sub

Latest MMA fight I've watched, better be good

Mellor · 12-07-2020 6:18am

Aldo by KO/TKO

2u2me wrote: »

Do you mean in his career or in the UFC? I think the commentator(bt sports) said he's never been stopped in the UFC

He has 3 stoppages on his record. All pre UFC.
And the TKO was ridiculous, so in reality he’s been subbed twice and never (T)KO’d

iLikeWaffles · 12-07-2020 6:19am

Mellor wrote: »

There’s 3 basic ways to defend. Move, block or counter. Theres levels to it of course, but it all boils down to those three.
If you can’t move, and can’t counter. Block is the best option.

You keep saying it’s admitting defeat. But you haven’t offered a better option?
Repeating that the ref should have stopped it is not the point.

3 options, non of which Aldo was able to do, you have to be able to see where punches are coming from to block them. Repeating that the ref should have stopped it is exactly the the point. Should have been stopped a good 100 seconds before the point it was stopped. Like you said "It absolutely should have been stoped earlier." so what's the problem here???

darced · 12-07-2020 6:21am

1-0 Masvidal

John_D80 · 12-07-2020 6:21am

Looked to me like Masvidal was backing up a lot in the last minute of round 1. Tiring possibly?

s1ippy · 12-07-2020 6:22am

Rogan is right about the wrestling. He needs to drag him to the ground, that's where Usman is going to get the advantage.

oyvey · 12-07-2020 6:22am

EagererBeaver wrote: »

There is no mandatory 10-8 rule in MMA. Whether you think there should be is irrelevant. The rounds were scored according to the rules of the sport.

There's no way either of those two knock-downs should have turned both those rounds into 10-8s under the rules as they currently stand.

What I think is irrelevant. Ouch.

iLikeWaffles · 12-07-2020 6:23am

Steel toes on Mesvidal

EagererBeaver · 12-07-2020 6:24am

Aldo by KO/TKO

oyvey wrote: »

What I think is irrelevant. Ouch.

In the context of how the fight is scored? Yes, absolutely irrelevant.

martyos121 · 12-07-2020 6:26am

Masvidal is already wrecked, can only go downhill from here.

MrStuffins · 12-07-2020 6:26am

1-1 but Marty not looking great.

He's there to be hit!

12-07-2020 6:28am

Aldo by KO/TKO

Jorge is up.

Mellor · 12-07-2020 6:31am

Aldo by KO/TKO

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

3 options, non of which Aldo was able to do,

So what should he do instead?
Still waiting on your magical alternative.

you have to be able to see where punches are coming from to block them.

If you can see you can block better, maybe.
But if you can’t, absorbing a strike on your forearm instead of your face is a big plus no matter what.

[quote{Repeating that the ref should have stopped it is exactly the the point. Should have been stopped a good 100 seconds before the point it was stopped. Like you said "It absolutely should have been stoped earlier." so what's the problem here???[/quote]
I’m not talking about the Aldo stoppage specifically. It should have been stopped earlier. I’ve said that twice.

I’m talking about the idea that shelling up is defeat. That’s nonsense. Sometimes intelligent defence means 100% defense

12-07-2020 6:34am

Looks like it's only going one way.

12-07-2020 6:34am

Aldo by KO/TKO

Jorge is way up.

EagererBeaver · 12-07-2020 6:38am

Aldo by KO/TKO

Basically the exact fight it was expected to be.

Whelo79 · 12-07-2020 6:40am

Yan by Sub

Is this the first time someone will win a title fight by stomping on a foot and shoulder bumping?

Porthallian · 12-07-2020 6:40am

Yan by Sub

39-37 Usman. Absolute borefest. Landed about 100 foot stomps.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-07-2020 6:42am

Yan by Sub

Game set and match now

iLikeWaffles · 12-07-2020 6:43am

Mellor wrote: »

So what should he do instead?
Still waiting on your magical alternative.

If you can see you can block better, maybe.
But if you can’t, absorbing a strike on your forearm instead of your face is a big plus no matter what.

{Repeating that the ref should have stopped it is exactly the the point. Should have been stopped a good 100 seconds before the point it was stopped. Like you said "It absolutely should have been stoped earlier." so what's the problem here???

I’m not talking about the Aldo stoppage specifically. It should have been stopped earlier. I’ve said that twice.

I’m talking about the idea that shelling up is defeat. That’s nonsense. Sometimes intelligent defence means 100% defense

You'll be left waiting on the magical alternative you want me to supply. Don't remember saying there was one either!

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-07-2020 6:44am

Yan by Sub

Porthallian wrote: »

39-37 Usman. Absolute borefest. Landed about 100 foot stomps.

They should be outlawed, cheep "nut" shots imo.

oyvey · 12-07-2020 6:45am

EagererBeaver wrote: »

In the context of how the fight is scored? Yes, absolutely irrelevant.

And in the context of a message forum where we give our thoughts on things? Even then, yes?

12-07-2020 6:46am

A fight that sums up why I don't follow UFC that much.

Mellor · 12-07-2020 6:46am

Aldo by KO/TKO

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

You'll be left waiting on the magical alternative you want me to supply. Don't remember saying there was one either!

So when I said sometimes that’s the best option?
What are you disagreeing with?

EagererBeaver · 12-07-2020 6:46am

Aldo by KO/TKO

oyvey wrote: »

And in the context of a message forum where we give our thoughts on things? Even then, yes?

When you're asking for rules that don't exist to be applied? Yes, absolutely. It's not a matter of opinion.

Whelo79 · 12-07-2020 6:47am

Yan by Sub

Jesus, the main event is on and you two are waffling about some ****e the whole way through it!

Porthallian · 12-07-2020 6:48am

Yan by Sub

Nigerian Nightnurse.
Dominant champion but not someone I'd be dying to see fight again.

iLikeWaffles · 12-07-2020 6:48am

Mellor wrote: »

So when I said sometimes that’s the best option?
What are you disagreeing with?

Go to bed!

EagererBeaver · 12-07-2020 6:50am

Aldo by KO/TKO

Whelo79 wrote: »

Jesus, the main event is on and you two are waffling about some ****e the whole way through it!

The main event is over the best part of five minutes, was incredibly boring and was never in doubt.

It's nothing to do with you, so if you've no interest, feel free to stay the **** out of it

UFC 251 - Usman vs Masvidal Sat July 11th

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