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Who thinks Trump will win?

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭bobbyy gee




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose



    We have to rely on polls and the media to inform us of how the race is shaping up, I'd be a bit nervous about that if I were a Democrat.

    Actually, nervousness is dropping. Steve Schmidt sums it up well here:

    Steve Schmidt does a pretty good job summarizing the current polling. Biden has a historic lead, and the media are afraid to talk in depth about the polls at the risk of getting it wrong in 2016. "Joe Biden has the biggest lead of any candidate in the modern era. It's the biggest, the broadest, the most durable of any Presidential candidate, and that lead is going to get bigger after this debate."

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/9/30/1981965/-Steve-Schmidt-masterful-takedown-of-Trump-s-entire-debate-performance

    About 2 minutes in to skip the debate summary. Schmidt leads the Lincoln Project so he's not a fan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Actually, nervousness is dropping. Steve Schmidt sums it up well here:

    Steve Schmidt does a pretty good job summarizing the current polling. Biden has a historic lead, and the media are afraid to talk in depth about the polls at the risk of getting it wrong in 2016. "Joe Biden has the biggest lead of any candidate in the modern era. It's the biggest, the broadest, the most durable of any Presidential candidate, and that lead is going to get bigger after this debate."

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/9/30/1981965/-Steve-Schmidt-masterful-takedown-of-Trump-s-entire-debate-performance

    About 2 minutes in to skip the debate summary. Schmidt leads the Lincoln Project so he's not a fan

    Do you think a man who describes Trump performance in this fashion...

    What this was tonight was a disgrace," Steve continued. "It was a national humiliation. You saw a president who was unhinged, lying, sweaty, disheveled, angry, petulant, and most important of all, completely incapable of making any type of argument about why he should have four more years. He appeared to be crazy most of the debate.

    Can be objective? He also said Trump threatened violence on America if he loses the election.

    No wonder you feel confident if this is the standard content you are consuming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Do you think a man who describes Trump performance in this fashion...

    What this was tonight was a disgrace," Steve continued. "It was a national humiliation. You saw a president who was unhinged, lying, sweaty, disheveled, angry, petulant, and most important of all, completely incapable of making any type of argument about why he should have four more years. He appeared to be crazy most of the debate.

    Can be objective? He also said Trump threatened violence on America if he loses the election.

    No wonder you feel confident if this is the standard content you are consuming.
    What I'm looking for is confirmation of the 'historic lead' numbers, which I haven't found yet. If that's true, I definitely feel more confident, yes.

    Fivethirtyeight has another interesting article today that seems to confirm the 'historic numbers' quote by Schmidt:

    "President Trump’s quest to win a second term is not in good shape. He entered Tuesday night’s debate with roughly a 7- or 8-point deficit in national polls, putting him further behind at this stage of the race than any other candidate since Bob Dole in 1996"

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-chances-are-dwindling-that-could-make-him-dangerous/

    And Bob Dole was a good guy, boring, running against a very popular President. A war hero, even.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    I hope Trump wins by one vote.
    Not that i like him or his politics, but the utter war on him by the left is something i have never seen before. Its beyond parody and is actually quite worrying for the future of politics and reasonable debate.

    It is deeply disturbing. The left should just proclaim him as the next coming of Satan and be done with it.

    Crazy.


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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,844 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I hope Trump wins by one vote.
    Not that i like him or his politics, but the utter war on him by the left is something i have never seen before. Its beyond parody and is actually quite worrying for the future of politics and reasonable debate.

    It is deeply disturbing. The left should just proclaim him as the next coming of Satan and be done with it.

    Crazy.

    "the left" :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Had the chance to watch the whole debate last night; well talk about the emperor having no clothes! Trump was an embarrassment to the dignity of the office constantly interrupting with childish generalised jibes and no specifics whatsoever. It also put paid the the undignified myth re Biden's capacity for debate and retention of detail, he was really on the ball. Wallace couldn't keep the President in line and it particularly unedifying that he had to constantly interrupt Trump who didn't seem to understand the rules and acted like a big baby. It was clear that he was in rally mode but that doesn't work in a debate as Trump didn't seem to understand. If the change in the polls are anything to go by it's time for damage limitation mode in the next debates as those on the fence were clearly disgusted by his carry on. What a disgrace he was.
    I see the latest excuse/whine is that Fox's Chris Wallace is a 'leftist' and the 'media' are out to get Trumpy. It's wearing thin lads, your guy is a dud. "Stand back and stand by" indeed. If the so called 'right' want to win they need to dump this grifter quickly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    You're implying he mocked a disabled journalist's disability and that lie has been debunked a million times. So why are you repeating it?

    You have literally said the exact opposite in previous posts Pete. It's only now been debunked in your head and only in your head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    coolbeans wrote: »
    It's wearing thin lads, you're guy is a dud. "Stand back and stand by" indeed. If the so called 'right' want to win they need to dump this grifter quickly.

    One thing Biden can do now, is push hard for downballot candidates. He's got a commanding lead, Trump is fully immolating everytime a mic is put into his face.

    Apparently Susan Collins is falling further in the polls and SC showing Graham at risk. McSally's also got no chance, that's 2 seats back to the Democratic Party. It's a shame they've abandoned Doug Jones but Alabama is going to go for the old football coach unfortunately. Colorado and NC look to be leaning Democratic, another pickup. Getting Iowa and getting rid of flat-earther Joni Ernst would be another pickup.


    Push, push, push on the Senate.


    The #IMPOTUS is just absolute gold for the Biden campaign. Keep the #IMPOTUS on mike in front of the cameras.


  • Registered Users Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Eduard Khil


    Pence Vs Harris debate will play a significant role next week The Vice President will either steady the course or sink the ship.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    Pence Vs Harris debate will play a significant role next week The Vice President will either steady the course or sink the ship.
    Vice President debates are utterly irrelevant. The viewership is nowhere the same. Most people couldn't even tell you who Hilarys running mate was. It will be a boring affair with Pence doing his boring usual thing, and Kamala Harris trying to big herself up for when she takes over from Biden.

    The liberal media and twitter will "yas queen" anything Harris says then pronounce Harris the winner by default for being a strong independent liberal "Woman of Colour".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    coolbeans wrote: »
    It's wearing thin lads, your guy is a dud.

    This doesn't matter to the Trumpettes.

    He could, literally come over to their house, screw their wife and abuse the kids and they'd still claim he was a "great guy".

    Anyone with even a modicum of self respect knows that this bozo is a seriously damaging element in US politics and a shameful indicator of everything that's wrong with the system over there. But, that doesn't matter, because if gets in, it keeps the others out and that's all that important.

    It's a schoolyard level of politics writ large and supported by the dullest of minds.


  • Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    Well, well ,well, who would have tough it, the media caught in another lie, the white supremacists proud boys with a black leader, i suppose he could identify as white?
    Trump landslide incoming
    https://twitter.com/ATellerOfTruth/status/1311284139681751040


  • Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭Gentlemanne


    I have never seen a single person who says they "don't like Trump but" follow that up with anything original or reasonable.

    Always the same spiteful and/or disingenous bulls**t


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Tony EH wrote: »
    This doesn't matter to the Trumpettes.

    He could, literally come over to their house, screw their wife and abuse the kids and they'd still claim he was a "great guy".

    Anyone with even a modicum of self respect knows that this bozo is a seriously damaging element in US politics and a shameful indicator of everything that's wrong with the system over there. But, that doesn't matter, because if gets in, it keeps the others out and that's all that important.

    It's a schoolyard level of politics writ large and supported by the dullest of minds.

    Trump is living in your head rent free if you genuinely believe that people would let him abuse their family and children and still like him.

    How in the hell does someone arrive at an opinion like that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    I have never heard or read any reason to hate Trump that does not fall apart under the tiniest bit of scrutiny. anyone with a IQ higher than 50 can see the BS


  • Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    Trump is living in your head rent free if you genuinely believe that people would let him abuse their family and children and still like him.

    How in the hell does someone arrive at an opinion like that.

    TDS is recognised by psychiatrists as real, i don't doubt that for a second.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    da_miser wrote: »
    TDS is recognised by physiatrists as real, i don't doubt that for a second.

    physiatrists? Or A physiatrist? Because there's a huge difference.


  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Achebe


    da_miser wrote: »
    Well, well ,well, who would have tough it, the media caught in another lie, the white supremacists proud boys with a black leader, i suppose he could identify as white?
    Trump landslide incoming
    https://twitter.com/ATellerOfTruth/status/1311284139681751040

    Their leader is a Latino from Miami. I'm really not surprised, that city is where all the worst people in Latin America go to live.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    physiatrists? Or A physiatrist? Because there's a huge difference.

    What is a physiatrist?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,392 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    da_miser wrote: »
    Well, well ,well, who would have tough it, the media caught in another lie, the white supremacists proud boys with a black leader, i suppose he could identify as white?
    Trump landslide incoming
    https://twitter.com/ATellerOfTruth/status/1311284139681751040

    He’s of Cuban origin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    joeguevara wrote: »
    What is a physiatrist?

    Thats what I'm wondering myself :pac:

    But ill give him the benefit of the doubt that he meant a Psychiatrist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭NSAman


    joeguevara wrote: »
    What is a physiatrist?
    A short sexual liaison with someone on heavy medication ....

    https://www.aapmr.org/about-physiatry/about-physical-medicine-rehabilitation/what-is-physiatry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Thats what I'm wondering myself :pac:

    But ill give him the benefit of the doubt that he meant a Psychiatrist.

    Im not sure. Its not as if its a simple spelling mistake. Its missing several letters type of mistake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,106 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Trump is living in your head rent free if you genuinely believe that people would let him abuse their family and children and still like him.

    How in the hell does someone arrive at an opinion like that.

    is removing their current healthcare entitlements from there family and kids shortening and harming their mortality not abuse... and they still like him.


    I suppose thats how one arrives at that opinion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    He’s of Cuban origin.

    Cuban is a bonus, he would be well aware of the damage that the Left can do to a country.
    A black man leading a white "Nazi" group, you got to admit thats one of the better fake news stories that TDS suffers believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Im not sure. Its not as if its a simple spelling mistake. Its missing several letters type of mistake.

    Autocorrect from previous Internet searches?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,392 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    da_miser wrote: »
    Cuban is a bonus, he would be well aware of the damage that the Left can do to a country.
    A black man leading a white "Nazi" group, you got to admit thats one of the better fake news stories that TDS suffers believe.

    Yeah, economy in the toilet, weaker environmental protections, over 200 Thousand dead from coronavirus and a 7 trillion dollar deficit in only 4 years.

    But but but the left.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    https://www.concordmonitor.com/First-presidential-debate-Trump-Biden-full-transcript-36532544

    i had a read of some of the transcript of the debate.

    Biden talks a load of gobbledygook most of the time. I have a hard time following him.
    Trump may chat **** but its coherent .


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  • Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    physiatrist fĭz″ē-ăt′rĭst, fĭ-zī′ə-trĭst►
    A physician who specializes in physical medicine
    TDS is only a few years old, ift would be a new field of medicne
    Whole body convulsions, delusion and irrational behaviour are standard along with dozens of other effects


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    listermint wrote: »
    is removing their current healthcare entitlements from there family and kids shortening and harming their mortality not abuse... and they still like him.

    I suppose thats how one arrives at that opinion.

    It was said in the context of screwing someone's wife and so sexual abuse is what was being implied.

    But nice try trying at having a fellow antiTrumper's back I suppose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    I think people are beginning to see the bullsh1t spin of the media and it will push them away from Biden/BLM.

    Mainstream media = peaceful protests and police brutality

    But there are countless videos on youtube and being shared around social media of rioting and absolute chaos, and the fact that this isn't being mentioned in the left dominated media will make people feel that they are being lied to.

    When you see videos of fire trucks being smashed to bits it really makes you wonder wtf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,279 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    da_miser wrote: »
    physiatrist fĭz″ē-ăt′rĭst, fĭ-zī′ə-trĭst►
    A physician who specializes in physical medicine
    TDS is only a few years old, ift would be a new field of medicne
    Whole body convulsions, delusion and irrational behaviour are standard along with dozens of other effects

    Does anybody have any idea what this post is even trying to say?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Trump is living in your head rent free if you genuinely believe that people would let him abuse their family and children and still like him.

    How in the hell does someone arrive at an opinion like that.

    On Boards it's from reading previous posts of yours where you defend him mocking handicapped people, injecting disinfectant and sharing videos of white supremacists shouting white power.

    In real life it's a combination of the above and from testimony from his niece, Mary Trump, his former political advisors, military advisors, who all confirm the dangerous flaws in his personality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,106 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It was said in the context of screwing someone's wife and so sexual abuse is what was being implied.

    But nice try trying at having a fellow antiTrumper's back I suppose.

    Dont confuse Anti Trump, with Anti Muppet billionaire pretending hes your buddy.

    But i suppose it takes all sorts for the love in.

    Hey look maybe one day he will notice you and you can golf and have a cigar together. Thats the goal isnt it, to amplify billionaire talking points so one day you will be rich too?

    Who are we 'other-ing' this week ???

    Meanwhile back in reality land there are normal people who can see right through this conman, if he was in Ireland he'd be knocking on grannies doors telling them their roof needs doing......


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    JJayoo wrote: »
    I think people are beginning to see the bullsh1t spin of the media and it will push them away from Biden/BLM.

    Mainstream media = peaceful protests and police brutality

    But there are countless videos on youtube and being shared around social media of rioting and absolute chaos, and the fact that this isn't being mentioned in the left dominated media will make people feel that they are being lied to.

    When you see videos of fire trucks being smashed to bits it really makes you wonder wtf

    Public support for BLM has been on the wane for some time now, that is the people who are willing to express support for BLM..we have no idea how many Americans don't actually believe they are a fundamentally racist people, I'd be willing to stick my neck out and say the vast majority of Americans are not on board with this movement but are too afraid to express that opinion.

    You wouldn't know this if you consume media, where each week, some corporation changes their logo, or commits to tackling endemic racism, or a celebrity declares racism a virus or some such banality...at the same time the President has blocked Critical Race Theory being shoved down Federal employees throats....who is trying to undermine who?

    If you were into conspiracy theories you'd think that there is a large section of corporate America who don't want Trump in office, because, you know, they have spent fortunes buying influence in Washington for decades and as such are worried about the strength of that influence...but we are all too sane for that kind of wrong think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Trump is living in your head rent free if you genuinely believe that people would let him abuse their family and children and still like him.

    How in the hell does someone arrive at an opinion like that.

    From reading posts like yours. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Tony EH wrote: »
    From reading posts like yours. :pac:

    Criticized Trump many times whenever I've felt it was warranted and so if you feel I'd let him sexually abuse my children then you've either got serious comprehension issues or, like I said, your hatred of Trump has really got to you and he's living rent free. My guess is it's the latter. Maybe spend a little more time trying to rebut users' arguments and then maybe you won't feel the need to resort to ad hominems as much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I see that in addition to going to ridiculous lengths to shill for someone who doesn't even know you, you are totally without a sense a humour too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,945 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The adjustment in narrative has been interesting to see over the last few days.

    Plenty Trump flag wearers have started going with the narrative 'Look, they are both bad, that's why I want to talk about Biden' and on to 'I don't even like Trump' and now 'I've criticized Trump plenty'.

    Here in the US, I was chatting to someone last night who said their neighbour took down their Trump flag which was outside their house after the debate on Tuesday. If he loses in November, in 6 months time you won't be able to find a single person who wanted him to win.

    Of course, a couple of years after that it'll shift to 'We need someone who isn't part of the swamp' and so on again and so the cycle continues.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The adjustment in narrative has been interesting to see over the last few days.

    Plenty Trump flag wearers have started going with the narrative 'Look, they are both bad, that's why I want to talk about Biden' and on to 'I don't even like Trump' and now 'I've criticized Trump plenty'.

    Here in the US, I was chatting to someone last night who said their neighbour took down their Trump flag which was outside their house after the debate on Tuesday. If he loses in November, in 6 months time you won't be able to find a single person who wanted him to win.

    Of course, a couple of years after that it'll shift to 'We need someone who isn't part of the swamp' and so on again and so the cycle continues.

    Everyone knows that Trump is a charlatan and a fraud. But there are those out there that lack a basic self respect and will blow a horn for him at every opportunity. There are even some that spend inordinate amounts of time whoring themselves out as cheap propaganda organs, spinning and spoofing their way through the day.

    Honesty about this guy has been thrown away a long time ago.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    It looks terrible...you go on the road to meet the people, not relatively empty train station platforms.

    It is easy to dismiss, but it is an element that should make the Biden camp very uncomfortable, don't kid yourself, this is not going unnoticed even if the media don't seem to care...the same media who aren't exactly reporting on the recklessness of the supporters of Trump either, they prefer not to mention the size of the crowds oddly enough.

    Look, I think it is a gamble of Trumps to have these rallies as the media are only waiting for any kind of surge in cases...I will say however, he is probably better informed than I am when it comes to risks.

    There are of course, many many other public displays of support for Trump that are not organized by his campaign team, car/boat parades, marches etc across the nation...there are absolutely none for Biden.

    We have to rely on polls and the media to inform us of how the race is shaping up, I'd be a bit nervous about that if I were a Democrat.

    Trump isn't meeting people though, he isn't working the rope. There is a clear white line that drawn at his rallies that he doesn't cross. Biden point to a situation that was reported about Trump freaking out when someone got close to him at a rally that he didn't believe was tested. He doesn't care about his supporters.

    As for surges in cases, it has been shown repeatedly that cases have spiked in areas where he had rallies. I was disappointed during the debate that Biden didn't hit Trump with Cain dying after catching COVID at his event, though I understand that it could be a comment that could hurt him.

    By the way, this doesn't look like an empty train station.

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1311415774687395840?s=20


  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Achebe


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    As for surges in cases, it has been shown repeatedly that cases have spiked in areas where he had rallies. I was disappointed during the debate that Biden didn't hit Trump with Cain dying after catching COVID at his event, though I understand that it could be a comment that could hurt him.

    That's the kind of comment Trump makes all the time, but if Biden said it, there would be faux outrage from the right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Trump isn't meeting people though, he isn't working the rope. There is a clear white line that drawn at his rallies that he doesn't cross. Biden point to a situation that was reported about Trump freaking out when someone got close to him at a rally that he didn't believe was tested. He doesn't care about his supporters.

    As for surges in cases, it has been shown repeatedly that cases have spiked in areas where he had rallies. I was disappointed during the debate that Biden didn't hit Trump with Cain dying after catching COVID at his event, though I understand that it could be a comment that could hurt him.

    By the way, this doesn't look like an empty train station.

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1311415774687395840?s=20

    Oh dear...he is getting a bit of a pasting on his own twitter feed as well....his videos on this tour on his own youtube channel are getting ratioed too.

    Great to see a crowd out for him though...even if it is small...obviously they are not afraid of covid either!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    da_miser wrote: »
    I have never heard or read any reason to hate Trump that does not fall apart under the tiniest bit of scrutiny. anyone with a IQ higher than 50 can see the BS

    An IQ!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    If Biden does get in I'll put money on that relief package magically getting through congress soon after the election, the votes against it will inexplicably change their mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    Anyone actually believe Biden would last 4 years?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    If Biden does get in I'll put money on that relief package magically getting through congress soon after the election, the votes against it will inexplicably change their mind.
    So you think Biden winning will convince Mitch McConnell and the Republicans to drop their opposition to another relief bill?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Not that you care but I expect what you deem as being 'very very forgetful' is likely related to speech impediment.

    Exactly, stumbling over words and entire sentences is quite common. As is replacing words that are easier to say, can also sound weird but its likely the best way he can get through sentences while being as fluid as he can.
    Anyone actually believe Biden would last 4 years?

    Weird question. Yes. Just as I think Trump would last another 4 years. Its a 3 year difference lads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Oh dear...he is getting a bit of a pasting on his own twitter feed as well....his videos on this tour on his own youtube channel are getting ratioed too.

    Great to see a crowd out for him though...even if it is small...obviously they are not afraid of covid either!!!


    All wearing masks, unlike the idiots at trumps mass covid rallies.


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