Top Gun: Maverick

Oafley Jones · 22-07-2019 10:14am

Tefral wrote: »

Think he had cancer.

Id say he is dead in the movie... They surely would have used him in place of Ed's character otherwise.

Throat Cancer, so even speaking for him is a big deal the moment.

Gatling · 22-07-2019 10:15am

Seemed to look a little more alive giving a UN talk last night

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/21/top-gun-star-val-kilmer-speaks-united-nations-throat-cancer-battle-10435561/

pixelburp · 22-07-2019 10:21am

Re. Cruise's ageing, I dunno; in the glorious era of HD you can definitely see around the eyes and mouth where Botox & god knows what else is fighting a losing fight. His work pales compared with someone like Ming-Na Wen (Agents of SHIELD), who is 55 yet looks easily early 40s and is clearly practising dark magic to remain looking that amazing.

Don't get me wrong, Cruise looks relatively amazing, for a man supposedly in his early 50s, but The Mummy was the point where I lost patience for it all; when Russel Crowe, someone 2 years his junior, referred to Cruise's character as "young man", later finding out said lead character was supposed to be in his mid-30s. At least Top Gun seems to be addressing the fact Cruise should possibly grow the F up.

alchemist33 · 22-07-2019 10:23am

conorhal wrote: »

I just thought it was depressing.
Arrested development man in his 50's still wearing the the same jacket as he did in his 20's and riding his mid life crisis bike?
Jesus.
Maybe that's a crux of the storyline but it's presented as glorious and cool when in fact it's laughable.
I'm coming to the conclusion that people will watch any ol sh1te as long as it tickles their nostalgia-balls.

I'm looking forward to it but agree. It'll take some plot shenanigans to portray him at this age, NOT in a position of authority, yet still believable.

Tazzimus · 22-07-2019 10:45am

pixelburp wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, Cruise looks relatively amazing, for a man supposedly in his early 50s, but The Mummy was the point where I lost patience for it all; when Russel Crowe, someone 2 years his junior, referred to Cruise's character as "young man", later finding out said lead character was supposed to be in his mid-30s. At least Top Gun seems to be addressing the fact Cruise should possibly grow the F up.

Think you mean late 50's, chap is 57. He's older than Charlie Sheen, yet looks ten years younger.
Granted, Charlie has done his best to kill himself repeatedly, so that'll take a toll..

Mellor · 22-07-2019 10:48am

pixelburp wrote: »

His work pales compared with someone like Ming-Na Wen (Agents of SHIELD), who is 55 yet looks easily early 40s and is clearly practising dark magic to remain looking that amazing.

Hardly a fair comparison. Those Asian anti-aging genetic voodoo.

pixelburp · 22-07-2019 10:53am

Tazzimus wrote: »

Think you mean late 50's, chap is 57. He's older than Charlie Sheen, yet looks ten years younger.
Granted, Charlie has done his best to kill himself repeatedly, so that'll take a toll..

Holy shít, you're right. Can see why they're keen to film two Mission Impossible films back to back, cos that has to be the last of them as "Tom Cruise Endangerment" vehicles.

How you live your life tends to catch up with you, no question, and it's probably only the self-pickling that keeps the likes of Keith Richards alive, but Cruise's mid life crisis has gone on enough IMO. "Oblivion" was the last film I remember where he could legitimately pass for the mid to late 30s he still seems to be playing ...

TheIrishGrover · 22-07-2019 12:57pm

Not much regarding the story in the trailer but I suppose it's really only a teaser.

Was never a huge fan of Top Gun but if those flying sequences are even half real, my God. That first scene looks amazing and the in-cockpit shots look great (Assuming they didn't give Cruise control of their fighter jets. I know he's a pilot but still

yourdeadwright · 22-07-2019 4:04pm

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Not much regarding the story in the trailer but I suppose it's really only a teaser.

Was never a huge fan of Top Gun but if those flying sequences are even half real, my God. That first scene looks amazing and the in-cockpit shots look great (Assuming they didn't give Cruise control of their fighter jets. I know he's a pilot but still

Actually belief it or not they did let him be in control for that scene , Crazy I know

Tazzimus · 22-07-2019 4:39pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Actually belief it or not they did let him be in control for that scene , Crazy I know

I can't see a civilian being given control of a military fighter jet worth many, many millions just for a movie. Even if it is the adrenaline junkie that is Tom Cruise.

TheIrishGrover · 23-07-2019 11:42am

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Oafley Jones · 23-07-2019 11:48am

Tazzimus wrote: »

I can't see a civilian being given control of a military fighter jet worth many, many millions just for a movie. Even if it is the adrenaline junkie that is Tom Cruise.

I can see it happening. Years back, the Air Force let Jeremy Clarkson drop a live bomb from an F-15, and they'd no idea who he was.

lukin · 25-07-2019 7:40pm

I've been watching clips of the first movie on YouTube and it really is remarkable what a terrible film it was. Laughable storyline, an astrophysicist who looks like she just stepped off a catwalk, cringe-inducing dialogue ("I feel the need—the need for speed"; I mean really, come on).
Not to mention the fact that there wasn't one character in it who was remotely likeable. All of the pilots were arrogant self-obsessed w####rs and their superiors were cliched portrayals of military top brass.
Kelly McGillis was just there for eye-candy. In fact I think I only watched it when I was a kid 'cause I thought she was super hot.
Typical Tony Scott film (RIP); big on style but low on substance.

Goodshape · 25-07-2019 8:33pm

lukin wrote: »

I've been watching clips of the first movie on YouTube and it really is remarkable what a terrible film it was. Laughable storyline, an astrophysicist who looks like she just stepped off...

Sorry? What?

I'm afraid I can't hear you over the sound of all thisHIGHWAY TO THE DANGERZONE!!!!

lawred2 · 25-07-2019 8:35pm

This will be unadulterated garbage. Hollywood hasn't had an original thought in years

lawred2 · 25-07-2019 8:37pm

lukin wrote: »

I've been watching clips of the first movie on YouTube and it really is remarkable what a terrible film it was. Laughable storyline, an astrophysicist who looks like she just stepped off a catwalk, cringe-inducing dialogue ("I feel the need—the need for speed"; I mean really, come on).
Not to mention the fact that there wasn't one character in it who was remotely likeable. All of the pilots were arrogant self-obsessed w####rs and their superiors were cliched portrayals of military top brass.
Kelly McGillis was just there for eye-candy. In fact I think I only watched it when I was a kid 'cause I thought she was super hot.
Typical Tony Scott film (RIP); big on style but low on substance.

I've been watching a few clips.... <white noise>

lukin · 25-07-2019 9:46pm

Goodshape wrote: »

Sorry? What?

I'm afraid I can't hear you over the sound of all thisHIGHWAY TO THE DANGERZONE!!!!

Actually that's another thing I forgot to mention, thanks for reminding me; the soundtrack is utter garbage too; the very worst of 80's MOR.

lawred2 · 25-07-2019 9:52pm

lukin wrote: »

Actually that's another thing I forgot to mention, thanks for reminding me; the soundtrack is utter garbage too; the very worst of 80's MOR.

Your opinion is wrong

MuffinTop86 · 25-07-2019 9:55pm

So very wrong

salmocab · 25-07-2019 9:55pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Your opinion is wrong

He’s trying hard not to show it

Mellor · 25-07-2019 11:47pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Hollywood hasn't had an original thought in years

If you actually think that, then your opinion on movies in general is pretty void.

pah · 27-07-2019 1:15am

lukin wrote: »

I've been watching clips of the first movie on YouTube and it really is remarkable what a terrible film it was. Laughable storyline, an astrophysicist who looks like she just stepped off a catwalk, cringe-inducing dialogue ("I feel the need—the need for speed"; I mean really, come on).
Not to mention the fact that there wasn't one character in it who was remotely likeable. All of the pilots were arrogant self-obsessed w####rs and their superiors were cliched portrayals of military top brass.
Kelly McGillis was just there for eye-candy. In fact I think I only watched it when I was a kid 'cause I thought she was super hot.
Typical Tony Scott film (RIP); big on style but low on substance.

We can never be friends

Kermit.de.frog · 27-07-2019 4:19am

lukin wrote: »

I've been watching clips of the first movie on YouTube and it really is remarkable what a terrible film it was. Laughable storyline, an astrophysicist who looks like she just stepped off a catwalk, cringe-inducing dialogue ("I feel the need—the need for speed"; I mean really, come on).

Isn't that what is so likable about it? It's pure 80's tripe?

But the aircraft - awesome

Agent Coulson · 27-07-2019 4:39am

lawred2 wrote: »

This will be unadulterated garbage. Hollywood hasn't had an original thought in years

lawred2 wrote: »

Your opinion is wrong

.

brianregan09 · 27-07-2019 4:42pm

To be fair not every film needs to be an intense deep dive character study ffs

1st was one of the best original popcorn movies leave your brain at the door

gnarbarian · 27-07-2019 5:55pm

Lets not forget that without Top Gun we would not have been able to see this classi:pac:

Dades · 27-07-2019 10:13pm

People complain about certain movies being cliched when it was these movies that spawned the cliche.

Die Hard is another movie that looks cliched to the younger viewer, when instead the bits that worked were just rehashed endlessly by subsequent movies.

Zubeneschamali · 27-07-2019 10:28pm

No, I saw Top Gun in the cinema when it came out and the script was lazy clicheed rubbish then.

The cliches are much, much older than that movie.

Cool planes though.

salmocab · 27-07-2019 10:52pm

Top gun was cheesy nonsense with a healthy dose of America good Russia bad. The dialogue was rubbish.
It’s a brilliant movie and I love it.

TinCool · 29-07-2019 12:19pm

lukin wrote: »

I've been watching clips of the first movie on YouTube and it really is remarkable what a terrible film it was. Laughable storyline, an astrophysicist who looks like she just stepped off a catwalk, cringe-inducing dialogue ("I feel the need—the need for speed"; I mean really, come on).
Not to mention the fact that there wasn't one character in it who was remotely likeable. All of the pilots were arrogant self-obsessed w####rs and their superiors were cliched portrayals of military top brass.
Kelly McGillis was just there for eye-candy. In fact I think I only watched it when I was a kid 'cause I thought she was super hot.
Typical Tony Scott film (RIP); big on style but low on substance.

Your point being?

evil_seed · 30-07-2019 9:25am

Corvo · 30-07-2019 12:39pm

lukin wrote: »

I've been watching clips of the first movie on YouTube and it really is remarkable what a terrible film it was. Laughable storyline, an astrophysicist who looks like she just stepped off a catwalk, cringe-inducing dialogue ("I feel the need—the need for speed"; I mean really, come on).
Not to mention the fact that there wasn't one character in it who was remotely likeable. All of the pilots were arrogant self-obsessed w####rs and their superiors were cliched portrayals of military top brass.
Kelly McGillis was just there for eye-candy. In fact I think I only watched it when I was a kid 'cause I thought she was super hot.
Typical Tony Scott film (RIP); big on style but low on substance.

Good God, lukin, I've drawn pistols on men for less.

TheIrishGrover · 01-08-2019 9:57am

I actually was never a big fan of the original. Enjoyed the flying sequences of course but was very underwhelmed. I don't know why. I was the right age to see it and saw it at the right time but just couldn't understand the hype.

With regards to critiquing it now:

I think that's pretty pointless. The original is a film of its time. Designed to be of its time. This was not a film that was intended to be some timeless/ageless masterpiece. It is not a subtle movie:

You had a style-over-substance director in Tony Scott.
You have 'Murica MOR Corporate Rock (20 years later perfectly designated "Yacht Rock")
You have an ear-dribblingly awful script.
There is more cheese than Galtee's annual Bring-your-cheese-to-work-Cheezy-Tuesday Event.

But that's the point. This was an 80's Murica First F*ck Yeah! movie (So it makes sense that the sequel is coming out in the MAGA age).

Are the flying sequences great? Hell Yeah!
Is it a terrible movie? Hell Yeah!
Does that make it a Awesome? Hell Yeah!*

* As I said, I didn't enjoy it but I was, by far, in the minority and I can appreciate it now for what it was.

One of its biggest issues is how clichè it seems to be. As others have said, this is because this is the genesis or early epitome of so many sequences that became clichès:

The nice guy best bud? Gonna die. Especially if he has a plan for the future.
The cocky rival (Not enemy)? Gonna be the birth of a perfect sexually-confusing bromance.
The token really smart hot chick. Just to show how "progressive" it is in a brilliantly patronising 80's way: "See? Chicks can be smart too.... Smart and Hot.
'Murica is centre I mean center of the world. Signify this by having flag f*cking EVERYWHERE and big blue skies (Unless it's orange).
No irony. No satire or sarcasm. No contemplation about ramifications of American foreign policy

So basically Michael Bay.

I mean..... Two years later you had Rambo training The Taliban and fighting The Ruskies!

What I will say (and did say) is that the flying sequences look amazing in that trailer and should look fantastic on the big screen so I might see it just for that. Given that this is basically an ode to flying, I would imagine that they will try to keep it as real as possible.

McDermotX · 16-12-2019 2:06pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4U4BQW9OEk

brevity · 16-12-2019 2:13pm

Good trailer.

pixelburp · 16-12-2019 3:07pm

Miles Teller eh, was only wondering where he had disappeared to.

Sleepy · 16-12-2019 3:08pm

Looks almost like a shot for shot remake:

Epic take off scene - check
A guy who looks exactly like a mustachioed Anthony Edwards - check
Beautiful aerobatics - check
Topless guys playing on the beach - check
American Flag draped over a coffin - check
Tom on a motorbike without a helmet - check

I can't ****in' wait!

MisterAnarchy · 16-12-2019 3:17pm

Kosiniskis films look superb and sound superb too.

That trailer looked superb,very little cgi .

Hans Zimmer is scoring alongside Harold Faltermeyer ,this could be decent.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-12-2019 7:39pm

Looks promising so far.

_Kaiser_ · 16-12-2019 11:36pm

Still looks great. Can't wait for this one.

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO · 17-12-2019 5:39pm

I feel the need—the need for speed! Man I miss Tony Scott films.

silverharp · 17-12-2019 5:55pm

Luckily its not being made by Rian Johnson, Maverick would be fat and bloated living alone on an Island. Seriously though, camera work looks great, I'd be surprised if it has the same buzz as the original movie but it should be a fun ride

Slydice · 17-12-2019 10:35pm

Had to!

MisterAnarchy · 17-12-2019 10:52pm

People grumbling that the new trailer features no spoken words by a female character .

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/12/9037252/top-gun-maverick-tom-cruise-trailer-women

Maverick didnt have to put up with this nonsense back in 1986

Gatling · 18-12-2019 2:31pm

His F18E speaks enough and she's a lady

speedboatchase · 18-12-2019 3:12pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

People grumbling that the new trailer features no spoken words by a female character .

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/12/9037252/top-gun-maverick-tom-cruise-trailer-women

Maverick didnt have to put up with this nonsense back in 1986

I feel the need... THE NEED FOR CLICKS!

Goodshape · 18-12-2019 3:21pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

People grumbling that the new trailer features no spoken words by a female character .

[citation needed]

pixelburp · 18-12-2019 3:24pm

I wonder how much digging was needed before finding that one random outlet making a thing of the trailer? See, look! That one person over there's upset! LIBRUHLS!

No thread is safe from this outrage baiting nonsense.

MisterAnarchy · 18-12-2019 4:06pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I wonder how much digging was needed before finding that one random outlet making a thing of the trailer? See, look! That one person over there's upset! LIBRUHLS!

No thread is safe from this outrage baiting nonsense.

I didn't have to do any digging oddly enough ,it came up on Google near the top for Top Gun.

I'm not outraged either ,I find the whole thing ludicrous .

Goodshape · 18-12-2019 4:44pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I'm not outraged either ,I find the whole thing ludicrous .

Nobody is outraged. You've just fallen victim to the bait.

Top Gun: Maverick

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