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  • #52
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    I did a thread on it recently....did great things. Happy to let you use my delid tool and liquid metal as I have loads.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=108400826


  • #53
    jebidiah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭jebidiah


    Manually OC'ed 3000MHz memory to 3200MHz. Pc runs fine when gaming, doesn't crash during cinebench. But when I turn pc on it sometimes switches off or resets, usually just the once. Is this a voltage related thing?


  • #54
    wotzgoingon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Are you sure it holds the overclock after restarting as sometimes that is the computer reseting back to stock settings as the overclock is unstable.


  • #55
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    jebidiah wrote: »
    Manually OC'ed 3000MHz memory to 3200MHz. Pc runs fine when gaming, doesn't crash during cinebench. But when I turn pc on it sometimes switches off or resets, usually just the once. Is this a voltage related thing?

    https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/773966-comprehensive-memory-overclocking-guide/
    Stress testing:
    Once this starts, let it run for several hours. I personally let mine run for about 8-12 hours, depending on how I feel and how much I've tinkered from my last stable profile, but I do not recommend running for less than 8 hours.


  • #56
    jebidiah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭jebidiah


    wotzgoingon wrote: »
    Are you sure it holds the overclock after restarting as sometimes that is the computer reseting back to stock settings as the overclock is unstable.

    Yes it was showing up in performance manager and gigabyte system information viewer at the higher frequency.

    Could it be that I left the voltage settings on auto? I had planned to monitor the voltage and see where it set itself and manually set that value.


  • #57
    Cuddlesworth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    jebidiah wrote: »
    Manually OC'ed 3000MHz memory to 3200MHz. Pc runs fine when gaming, doesn't crash during cinebench. But when I turn pc on it sometimes switches off or resets, usually just the once. Is this a voltage related thing?

    You should really do a proper stress test, 30minutes minimum.

    You can use a app called stressApp, bit of work to get going on Windows but worth it.

    https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/stress-app-test-chronic-memory-stress-test.18765249/


  • #58
    MiskyBoyy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/ROG-MATRIX-RTX2080Ti-P11G-GAMING/

    "Infinity Loop Cooling

    The Matrix's internal closed-loop water cooling system is the first of its kind. Combining the performance of an external closed-loop hybrid with the minimal footprint of a standard air-cooled card introduced many design challenges, such as miniaturizing a water pump to squeeze between the shroud and PCB. The effort paid off by delivering headroom to propel the Matrix's clock speeds to a new level of performance for builds without custom water loops. "


  • #59
    jebidiah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭jebidiah


    How much value is there in upgrading an i5-4460 user to a 3770k (processor is available from a house mate (not for free)) and OC supporting mobo compared to building a new Ryzen 5 based system?
    Obviously one will cost a lot less as he has DDR3 ram already, and the 3700k could potentially be upped to a 4790k down the line, but is it worth staying on these older intel platforms?

    I saw Terrorfirmer recommending it to someone on an 2500k recently


  • #60
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Skate 3 runs on latest RPCS3 build

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEmtAIZW8Ak


    Need minimum 6 core CPU atm for this game. Most other games that are currently compatible run fine on i5/Ryzen 5s.


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  • #61
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    jebidiah wrote: »
    How much value is there in upgrading an i5-4460 user to a 3770k (processor is available from a house mate (not for free)) and OC supporting mobo compared to building a new Ryzen 5 based system?
    Obviously one will cost a lot less as he has DDR3 ram already, and the 3700k could potentially be upped to a 4790k down the line, but is it worth staying on these older intel platforms?

    I saw Terrorfirmer recommending it to someone on an 2500k recently

    The 3770K and 4460 are different socket types, not compatiable.

    3rd and 4th gen i7 are still good for games though.

    Just dropping in an i7-4770 or 4790 into your PC is relativelty cheap and hassle free though.


  • #62
    jebidiah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭jebidiah


    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    The 3770K and 4460 are different socket types, not compatiable.

    3rd and 4th gen i7 are still good for games though.

    Just dropping in an i7-4770 or 4790 into your PC is relativelty cheap and hassle free though.

    You're right, is it the 2*** and 3*** generations which are compatible? Either way, I'd have told him to get a mobo that will support overclocking.

    I'm just wondering if it still makes sense to go for the 3770-k for the next maybe two years?


  • #63
    wotzgoingon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    jebidiah wrote: »
    You're right, is it the 2*** and 3*** generations which are compatible? Either way, I'd have told him to get a mobo that will support overclocking.

    I'm just wondering if it still makes sense to go for the 3770-k for the next maybe two years?

    Tbh if he has to get a board also he better getting a Ryzen build. You could pick up a first gen Ryzen and board second hand for relatively cheap.


  • #64
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    It it means buying a board as well, it's entirely pointless, I thought you were talking about just replacing the 4460 with an i7!


  • #65
    Skerries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,551 ✭✭✭✭Skerries


    kevovek wrote: »
    Do you think the vega 56/64 will come down a bit more in price in the next 2/3 months? I want something to take over from my 290x

    they seem to be on the way down

    https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-PowerColor-Radeon-RX-Vega-56-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1189368.html
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  • #66
    Joshua J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    Skerries wrote: »
    they seem to be on the way down

    https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-PowerColor-Radeon-RX-Vega-56-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1189368.html

    You can pick up a 56 on Overclocker for 320GBP/3 free games. It's been taunting me for weeks and has nearly broken my resolve lol. I'm trying to hold out for the new AMD cards but I've got the upgrade itch.

    https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapphire-radeon-rx-vega-56-pulse-8gb-hbm2-pci-express-graphics-card-11276-02-40g-gx-38f-sp.html


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  • #67
    Venom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    wotzgoingon wrote: »
    Tbh if he has to get a board also he better getting a Ryzen build. You could pick up a first gen Ryzen and board second hand for relatively cheap.


    Would need to move to DDR4 as well which adds a fair wack to the overall upgrade cost.


  • #68
    Venom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    Joshua J wrote: »
    You can pick up a 56 on Overclocker for 320GBP/3 free games. It's been taunting me for weeks and has nearly broken my resolve lol. I'm trying to hold out for the new AMD cards but I've got the upgrade itch.

    https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapphire-radeon-rx-vega-56-pulse-8gb-hbm2-pci-express-graphics-card-11276-02-40g-gx-38f-sp.html


    Well if you order it tonight, sure as hell AMD will announce some super cheap and crazy specced GPU's at their keynote tomorrow :D


    hCD69369D


  • #69
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Hi.
    Do you lot know if connecting a HDMI to a laptop bypassed the graphics of the laptop hooked to a TV.

    I'v tried a laptop then the above and the latter worked better.


  • #70
    wotzgoingon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    The laptops GPU is still being used.


  • #71
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    wotzgoingon wrote: »
    The laptops GPU is still being used.

    Thanks, maybe its the screen that is bad.
    But works on TV but not laptop.

    Not to bother anyway just checking out of interest.


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  • #72
    jebidiah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭jebidiah


    Venom wrote: »
    Would need to move to DDR4 as well which adds a fair wack to the overall upgrade cost.

    My main concern for him is really value for money now Vs longevity. If he can get the 3770k+mobo from our friend for a good price, or a 4790 for his current mobo and run for another two years with his current DDR 3 ram SSD and GPU, then I'd say he would be happy.

    All depends on whether those CPUs are going to last in games for the next few years?


  • #73
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    They should last fine. It's way easier to get just the 4790 for €120 2nd hand and drop it in. I doubt someone's gonna sell a 3770K + board for much less (if even) and you've to go to all the effort of rebuilding the full system.

    If it comes down to that, you'd be way better off just selling the current board, ram + 4460 for €130 or whatever and getting a Ryzen 1600X, 8GB DDR4 and an A320M or B350 board.


  • #74
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    Hi.
    Do you lot know if connecting a HDMI to a laptop bypassed the graphics of the laptop hooked to a TV.

    I'v tried a laptop then the above and the latter worked better.
    Jeff2 wrote: »
    Thanks, maybe its the screen that is bad.
    But works on TV but not laptop.

    Not to bother anyway just checking out of interest.
    What exactly are you trying to do though?

    If you connect a TV/monitor via HDMI to your laptop, it just turns into another screen that Windows can use.
    They don't have any graphics capabilities of their own.


  • #75
    Skerries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,551 ✭✭✭✭Skerries


    Joshua J wrote: »
    You can pick up a 56 on Overclocker for 320GBP/3 free games.

    https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapphire-radeon-rx-vega-56-pulse-8gb-hbm2-pci-express-graphics-card-11276-02-40g-gx-38f-sp.html

    that link was €299 when I posted so must have gone back up
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  • #76
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    What exactly are you trying to do though?

    If you connect a TV/monitor via HDMI to your laptop, it just turns into another screen that Windows can use.
    They don't have any graphics capabilities of their own.

    I was running a game on laptop and it was very slow.
    When I hooked it to the TV it ran much better.


  • #77
    wotzgoingon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    I was running a game on laptop and it was very slow.
    When I hooked it to the TV it ran much better.

    That's weird. What is the resolution of Tv and laptop screen?


  • #78
    kevovek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭kevovek


    anyone have any experience buying B Grade stuff from Overclockers?


  • #79
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    wotzgoingon wrote: »
    That's weird. What is the resolution of Tv and laptop screen?

    I'll check all out tomorrow.

    Run it on the laptop and right after run it hooked to the TV to be sure it wasn't lag on the server or Internet.
    I'm pretty sure it was just because of the TV, weird indeed.


  • #80
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    The only thing that would make sense is if the TV is lower resolution than the laptop, e.g 768p vs 1080p.


  • #81
    wotzgoingon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    kevovek wrote: »
    anyone have any experience buying B Grade stuff from Overclockers?

    I once bought a ultra wide B grade but I never received it. It obviously got lost in transit but luckily for me it made it's way back to them so I was refunded.

    I waited about two weeks before contacting them and they told me they sold it to someone else. I was actually kinda glad as it was a spur of the moment buy that I did not need. That was a few years ago.


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  • #82
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Amusing story, my mate is doing a new build and he ordered the DDR4 Vengeance RAM off Amazon 4-5 weeks ago and only got the final components recently, he gets into the middle of putting it together, fishes the RAM out and on opening it it contains 2 x 128mb of old skool DDR sticks, some smart arse had swapped it out and returned it for I guess a full refund. Amazon kindly agreed to the return and exchange, but you'd really think they'd do a better job of return inspections and not do this to a customer!

    PMauprX.jpg


  • #83
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    kevovek wrote: »
    anyone have any experience buying B Grade stuff from Overclockers?

    Got my replacement X99 motherboard from there, still working grand :)


  • #84
    wotzgoingon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    That is bad regarding the RAM.


  • #85
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Really common. Amazon see it as cheaper to take the hit than spend 3 mins on each restocking but that misses the extreme frustration for the "second" customer.


  • #86
    kevovek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭kevovek


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    Got my replacement X99 motherboard from there, still working grand :)

    Nice one, just keeping an eye on the vega 56/64 B grade prices some are pretty tempting


  • #87
    h0neybadger
    Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭h0neybadger


    Hey guys. hopefully someone can help.

    I ordered a motherboard from Amazon Warehouse. Used item.
    Can't ship to Ireland unfortunately. So I used Parcel Motel.

    Arrived this evening, and just collected it.

    It's not what I ordered. Completely different motherboard :( but the right box.

    Filling out a returns form with Amazon, it's only showing Hermes drop off and Royal Mail drop off.
    Trying to add an address to return it from, won't give me any more options.

    Any thoughts? Should I ring Amazon and see what they can do? Or will I need to somehow get it to a RoyalMail post office? :(


  • #88
    EoinHef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    With only about £20 in the difference would people go for a 8700k or a 9700K?

    That includes board cooler ram for each etc so only £20 in the difference overall


  • #89
    MiskyBoyy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    EoinHef wrote: »
    With only about £20 in the difference would people go for a 8700k or a 9700K?

    That includes board cooler ram for each etc so only £20 in the difference overall

    Went for the 9700k myself and love it :)


  • #90
    jebidiah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭jebidiah


    h0neybadger wrote: »
    Hey guys. hopefully someone can help.

    I ordered a motherboard from Amazon Warehouse. Used item.
    Can't ship to Ireland unfortunately. So I used Parcel Motel.

    Arrived this evening, and just collected it.

    It's not what I ordered. Completely different motherboard :( but the right box.

    Filling out a returns form with Amazon, it's only showing Hermes drop off and Royal Mail drop off.
    Trying to add an address to return it from, won't give me any more options.

    Any thoughts? Should I ring Amazon and see what they can do? Or will I need to somehow get it to a RoyalMail post office? :(


    Email or call and explain what happened. They are excellent with returns like this. Will most likely ask you to pay for postage and will refund it once item is received back.


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  • #91
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    With regards b-grade....unless the saving is massive, I just wouldn't. The vast majority of companies either don't test stuff properly, don't test it at all, or just give it rudimentary testing for a few minutes and slap a 'a-OK' sticker on it and re-sell.

    Someone mentioned buying a b-grade Vega from OCUK......a new Vega is £349 with 3 brand new AAA games and has a full warranty. The B-Grade item has no games and just a 90 day warranty, so even if it was working 100%, the saving would have to be massive in my opinion....which it likely isn't.


  • #92
    iLikeWaffles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    EoinHef wrote: »
    With only about £20 in the difference would people go for a 8700k or a 9700K?

    That includes board cooler ram for each etc so only £20 in the difference overall

    €20 for 2 cores more than the 8700k, go for the 9700k!


  • #93
    iLikeWaffles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    h0neybadger wrote: »
    Hey guys. hopefully someone can help.

    I ordered a motherboard from Amazon Warehouse. Used item.
    Can't ship to Ireland unfortunately. So I used Parcel Motel.

    Arrived this evening, and just collected it.

    It's not what I ordered. Completely different motherboard :( but the right box.

    Filling out a returns form with Amazon, it's only showing Hermes drop off and Royal Mail drop off.
    Trying to add an address to return it from, won't give me any more options.

    Any thoughts? Should I ring Amazon and see what they can do? Or will I need to somehow get it to a RoyalMail post office? :(

    That sucks! Iv'e not had it happen but I'd suspect Amazon would not pay for the return as you bypassed mailing options. That said I ordered something before on normal Amazon with parcel motel and that too had no Ireland delivery they did the RMA for me anyway. Contact them saying there is an issue with submitting the form (button greyed out or something) talking to a Human might get you a printable RMA.


  • #94
    jebidiah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭jebidiah


    iLikeWaffles wrote: »
    That sucks! Iv'e not had it happen but I'd suspect Amazon would not pay for the return as you bypassed mailing options. That said I ordered something before on normal Amazon with parcel motel and that too had no Ireland delivery they did the RMA for me anyway. Contact them saying there is an issue with submitting the form (button greyed out or something) talking to a Human might get you a printable RMA.


    Similarly, my kindle was replaced under warranty, they asked me to send it via royal mail, which I couldn't. So after an online chat they agreed to let me post it with An Post registered and they refunded the postage cost when the item was received. If it's a case of a swapped part in the wrong box I can't imagine they will ask you to pay.


  • #95
    Cuddlesworth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    ED E wrote: »
    Really common. Amazon see it as cheaper to take the hit than spend 3 mins on each restocking but that misses the extreme frustration for the "second" customer.

    I've been hit with this 3 times now, pretty sure my account is going to be flagged because of their crappy system. Its really picking up in popularity.


  • #96
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    iLikeWaffles wrote: »
    €20 for 2 cores more than the 8700k, go for the 9700k!

    2 extra physical cores, but no hyperthreading (so 8700K still has 12 "execution" threads compared to 8). edit: this can also contribute to better 1% lows on 8700K

    Gamers Nexus & other reviews found that in certain games this actually hurts performance, such that the older 8700K was outperforming the 9700K.
    The only thing that saved the 9700K was that it clocked higher - which, due to silicon lottery, might not be an advantage.

    In general though, they perform about equal - I'd take the 8700K tbh, and buy some beer with the change instead.


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  • #97
    EoinHef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    The one thing that keeps putting the 9700k in my head is the fact that down the road i could drop in a 9900k as id have a decent z390 board. Looking at the gigabyte aorus elite.

    Then the 8700K having more threads keeps making me think its the better option,potentially want to assign cores to servers that id run locally or do a bit of streaming etc.Thankfully aria got a good few more 8700k's in stock today so i have a little time to make the decision.

    Can see why misky was up till 5am trying to decide:P

    Im actually debating just stumping up the extra €120 and going with a 9900K


  • #98
    Cuddlesworth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    EoinHef wrote: »
    The one thing that keeps putting the 9700k in my head is the fact that down the road i could drop in a 9900k as id have a decent z390 board. Looking at the gigabyte aorus elite.

    Then the 8700K having more threads keeps making me think its the better option,potentially want to assign cores to servers that id run locally or do a bit of streaming etc.Thankfully aria got a good few more 8700k's in stock today so i have a little time to make the decision.

    Can see why misky was up till 5am trying to decide:P

    If you game at 1440p or above and expect to use a decent gpu, the Intel proc's don't really hold any value proposition. And you won't upgrade to a 9900k in future, its rare to find top spec cpu's that are both for sale on their own and at a reasonable price. Check out 7700K/6700K pricing right now if you don't believe me. Its hard to even find a reviewer for the 9 series launch who disagreed with me.


  • #99
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    8700K, 9700K & 9900K are practically neck-and-neck in most games tbh; you're limited by GPU more often than not.


  • #100
    EoinHef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    Cuddlesworth wrote: »
    If you game at 1440p or above and expect to use a decent gpu, the Intel proc's don't really hold any value proposition. And you won't upgrade to a 9900k in future, its rare to find top spec cpu's that are both for sale on their own and at a reasonable price. Check out 7700K/6700K pricing right now if you don't believe me. Its hard to even find a reviewer for the 9 series launch who disagreed with me.

    Plenty of people dropping older i7's into builds that were originally an i5,whay would a 9900k be different?

    Was tempted to just lash a 3770k into my machine a few months ago. Was on sale for €120 in CEX


  • #101
    EoinHef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    8700K, 9700K & 9900K are practically neck-and-neck in most games tbh; you're limited by GPU more often than not.

    Thats why i reckon im finding it hard to decide,its all so close with pros and cons for each


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