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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,594 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    What difference will it make if the Democrats lose the next election. America doesn't seem to change drastically no matter who the president is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    You are correct nothing much changes.

    Economy goes boom bust boom bust no matter who is in charge.

    The wealthy get wealthier and those struggling struggle further. Which makes all this republican v Democrat thing often pointless and partisan battles so often come at the expense of actually sorting policy to help those millions struggling.

    It's hard to see a path out of it as in it's very nature every 4 years it's red v blue the whole system is built on division and not unity and that divide is now at concerning levels amplified by social media the internet and the way society is heading.

    There is no good v bad only winners v losers in America and those struggling most are the ones losing with this increase in idealogical divide.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Reporter: "A moment ago, you were asked whether or not you believed that we would have free and fair elections in 2022 if some of these state legislatures reformed their voting protocols. You said that it depends. Do you -- do you think that they would in any way be illegitimate?"

    Biden: "Oh, yeah, I think it easily could be -- be illegitimate. Imagine -- imagine if, in fact, Trump has succeeded in convincing Pence to not count the votes."

    Reporter: "In regard to 2022, sir -- the midterm elections."

    Biden: "Oh, 2022. I mean, imagine if those attempts to say that the count was not legit. You have to recount it and we're not going to count -- we're going to discard the following votes. I mean, sure, but -- I'm not going to say it's going to be legit. It's -- the increase and the prospect of being illegitimate is in direct proportion to us not being able to get these -- these reforms passed."

    (cnn)

    Of course this is going to be spun two completely different ways, but what is Biden saying here? Is he saying if they don’t get the reforms passed then the 2022 election will be illegitimate? Didn’t trump say something similar about mail in voting in 2019?

    If that’s what he’s saying what implications does this have for previous elections.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The difference is one was and still is utterly without an iota of evidence (Trump in 2019) whereas Biden is expressing concern about what the GOP are trying and succeeding so far to do in advance of 2022/2024, which is a clear effort to rig the elections in their favour and the evidence is there for everyone to see.

    Like for example in Georgia where in one county , the GOP are trying to close all but one voting site , along with reducing access to mail-in voting thereby making it really difficult to vote.

    They even say it out loud - Ken Paxton , the Attorney General for Texas just said on Bannons podcast the other day "We (the GOP) are done if everybody can vote" .

    More people voting means the GOP lose so they are doing everything they can to suppress turnout in Urban areas especially ,where they don't usually pick up many votes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,959 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Not a good week for Biden, seems to have put his foot in it regards NATO and the Ukraine during a very sensitive time.

    Polls are terrible for him as well and getting worse.

    He is barely staying above Trump's numbers at this point and his own supporters are growing weary of him I feel.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The county in question votes heavily Republican (68% Trump last election), how does going to just one polling site help the GOP? There are about 6,000 voters, and none of them live more than 15 minutes' drive from the county seat. Maybe it's just a matter of efficiency. There are better examples to use.

    Even at that, having only one polling site isn't the end of the world. Jefferson county, KY and Democrat-governed, voted 60% for Biden, the county administrators saying they didn't have the ability to have multiple sites. One single polling site for 600,000 eligible voters. They got the job done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,064 ✭✭✭Christy42


    The big issue is is there an alternative? Many are frustrated that they are not getting a left wing leader so what is the alternative to them when someone comes up against him repeating Trump's points? It is first past the post so voting for anyone other than one of the two is essentially not voting.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Reasonable points in isolation, but in the last election most of the votes cast were mail-in which they are also severely cutting back on.

    So they are reducing polling stations , reducing access to mail-in and early voting and removing huge numbers of people from the voting registers for various (and sometimes spurious) reasons.

    It's the cumulative impact of all these changes that just make it that bit more difficult to vote than it should be.

    Nothing they are doing could reasonably be described as increasing agency and making it less difficult for people to cast their legally entitled vote.

    And it most certainly has absolutely ZERO to do with "Election Integrity and Security".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    The failure to deliver. The promise of $10,000 student debt relief immediately, is going to be doozy.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭satguy


    Joe is clearly cognitively impaired,, an old man that is past his sell by date. But with that said, he is still miles ahead of that nut job Kamala Harris.

    And another nut job looks like she is being lined up to be the Democratic Party pick to run against Trump (again). I think Bill will be kept away from the typing pool interns if his wife wins.

    All the above are near 80 or thereabouts.

    Tulsi Gabbard would do a better job then any of them, and should really be the Dems pick next time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,654 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Kamala is a nutjob and Tulsi Gabbard is the answer, funniest thing I'll read all day 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    Tulsi Gabbard is an interesting one.

    She made peices of Kamala in the live debates and was soon abandoned by the Democrats by not falling in line.

    She may have a future with the republican party where she is growing in Popularity.

    Democratic party is very cut throat it seems you either say what they want you too or your alienated.

    That's why they are left with a bland president and vice president who bring no personality to the Whitehouse and have lost the American public.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,581 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Why is Harris a nut job? I’m not a fan of her at all, but she seems sane to me.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,411 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,133 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Are you joking about Joe or not, because someone else here said that was a wind up?


    Just trying to separate the arguments being made in good faith, and wind up merchants. It's pretty difficult in this thread to be fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,133 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




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    Biden needs to learn the frequently used tactic that Ronald Reagan used when he got caught making a mistake. “There I go again.” Many would laugh and let him move on.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I have to say, I'm content enough with Gabbard (I have issues with her, but compared to the other options?) and was planning to vote for her in the primary until she pulled out before Texans could vote.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub



    Democratic party is very cut throat it seems you either say what they want you too or your alienated.

    Seriously?

    No question that the Democrats need to worry less about their "purity tests" and focus more on simply winning , but being a dissenting voice in the current Democrat party is certainly an infinitely safer/easier place to be than being a dissenting voice in todays GOP.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,959 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    In fairness, that is what the Democrats voted for.. some middle ground centrist, but the disappointing thing is, he is just doing it badly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    I don't know if Bernie Sanders would agree with you.

    But yes both parties are certainly guilty of it no question.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Aside from the fact that Bernie Sanders is an Independent and not a member of the Democrat Party , has he been censured? has he been primaried? has been removed from committees etc.?

    There's a pretty long list on the GOP side where the answer to most/all of those questions is a resounding yes.

    Equally how many GOP people have simply walked away in the last few years rather than fight the Primary they knew was coming because they spoke out against Trump?

    No Political party is immune from this kind of stuff ,but the current GOP are orders of magnitude beyond anyone else in their demands for absolute fealty to Trump , not the party - Trump.



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    A third party of independents would be a solution to the 2 party problem Adams cautioned about. But just like an oxymoron, neither party would allow it to occur.

    So we stand in the American political laundromat watching the 2 parties take their turns spinning their worthless messages. Where impression management is more important than addressing voter’s needs.

    Biden will come. And Biden will go. With the GOP focused on pointing out Biden mistakes. No matter how small. For PR sake and nothing of value. Followed by a GOP president (probably Trump) who will in turn have the Dems repeating the previous cycle of the GOP condemnations. Around and around we go. Where it stops no one knows.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    Great post a third option is what is needed in my opinion but as you mentioned extremely unlikely anytime soon if ever.

    More people are becoming politically fatigued with the current situation as it's become so polarizing and exhausting with many beginning to see that there is no good guys, both sides love their lobbying both sides lie and both sides never really change anything and if they actually want to it's impossible to get anything radical through the house and senate anyway.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Come up out of it, Sanders was the front runner twice and the DNC actively worked against him.

    This was leaked in 2016

    ‘The leaks resulted in allegations of bias against Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign, in apparent contradiction with the DNC leadership's publicly stated neutrality,[6] as several DNC operatives seemed to deride Sanders' campaign and discussed ways to advance Hillary Clinton's nomination’

    ‘The DNC issued a formal apology to Bernie Sanders and his supporters "for the inexcusable remarks made over email" that did not reflect the DNC's "steadfast commitment to neutrality during the nominating process.’



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Realistically , the US Political system is more like 4 or possibly 5 distinct groupings right now.

    In the GOP you got a Far-right where the Marjorie Taylor-Greenes and Paul Gosars live , you've then got a more traditional GOP where Cheney and Romney types exist.

    With the Democrats you have what's called the "far left" in the US , but are really not especially "left" at all in a global context where AOC et al are , you then have the more traditional Democrats of the Biden type.

    There's an argument for a 5th grouping somewhere around the middle with moderates from both sides , but that's a stretch.

    With a normal electoral system that's what would happen organically and you'd have coalitions etc. forming alliances to control the House and Senate.

    It would also force them to actually find consensus and compromise on Policy as it would be a requirement to create working majorities.

    The ever increasing gap between the "sides" within the parties on both sides means that the ability to actually govern and pass meaningful legislation is becoming more and more unachievable for both sides.

    Hard to see any way it gets better though.



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    Caution should be used when reading Gallup polls results. They reported independent voters at 42 percent, democrats 30 percent, and republicans 26 percent December 1-16, 2021. Consequently Biden and both parties must manage their impressions to attract independents if they want to control both houses and the executive. As well as stack the Supreme Court when vacancies occur. Lots of finger pointing and little action for the voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,162 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There is only so long the "of the right" line works.


    Bidens most pressing problems now are among Democratic voters and activists.


    Only so long "but Trump".


    Bidens presidency is in big trouble.


    Like Trump, an inability to shut up is making it worse.



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    These groupings within parties probably has merit. But when the Senate vote has been called, the GOP tends to vote against Biden endorsed House bills in lock-step fashion. Similar to Obama’s 2nd term. The Dems are generally the same except for 2 media spotlight grasping D-Senators that hope for Independents and GOP crossovers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,133 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "He's not giving any press conferences" has changed to "he's talking too much".

    You can wishcast all you want.

    Statements like "he's in big trouble" need to be backed up by facts, or else they're just opinions.. and you know what they say about opinions



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  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    Without getting into a spit spat with you because as you say opinions don't mean much and all we have to judge on really is the approval ratings from unbiased sources like five thirty-eight.

    You can say Biden is doing a wonderful job and I can say he's doing a terrible job and we will get nowhere.

    The polls show for all to see that his approval has dropped significantly and is down among independents and very suprsingly down heavily in the under 30's demograph. Most Americans are not confident in the way the country is going.

    His presidency is in a tender area with midterms coming up the democrats need to be in a healthier place.

    Anything can happen in the 3 years ahead and he could end up being the best president in modern history but as of now this is not the case and his sharp approval decline in his first year is concerning since he has already passed his major pieces of legislation with no change in approval.

    He entered his presidency as the most popular president of all time with the most votes in history and has seen that popularity slide away over his first year and needs to regain some faith of the people beyond his partisan base.

    So you ask other posters for proof Biden is in murky waters when I think it is indeed you that needs to construct a post beyond a simple twitter link dump that Biden is doing the great job you keep alluding to.

    As it is you that is going against the grain of the beliefs of the USA population with your beliefs and are in the minority, so please prove to us how Biden is setting the world alight and doing just dandy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,162 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    🙂


    What press conferences are you on about. Joe's problem is saying stupid things and making those stupid things the news story.


    His polling is fairly poor, across polls and varying media ones.


    The polls show his support in his own party base, among black people, college educated whites, women all substantially down. The key demographics for his party.


    Look at the massive majority who think that country is on the wrong track, who think his priorities are wrong.



    I'm not sure why you are pretending otherwise or how you think it benefits Biden or the Democrats.


    Stridently anti Trump media like MSNBC and CNN have polls on this and talk about it but you know better.


    Weren't you a hyper Trump supporter in the last Presidency?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,392 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    President Biden, asked by Fox's Peter Doocy whether inflation will be a political liability in the midterms, is heard on a hot mic responding, "No, that's a great asset – more inflation. What a stupid son of a bitch."


    lol



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Did Doocy really ask that?

    It's a stupid remark for Biden to make but what kind of a question is that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,392 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    ^ I seem to be unable to quote anything.

    Yeah, video is on Twitter.


    Let the pearl clutching commence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,133 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Despite saying what most of America are thinking, biden should apologize. It's not appropriate and it shouldn't happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,594 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    A nice deflection from his "minor incursion" gaffe.

    Attack the media when under pressure.

    The American tradition.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Joe was vice when his pres was coming out with this. lol

    Aged like milk




  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    A reasonable and relevant question by Doocy considering recent polls show 69% of Americans are concerned about inflation.

    I don't think anyone or Doocy will be too bothered, If anything it's nice to see a bit of personality from Bland Biden for a change.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,133 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    Doocy is smart enough to have the President apologising to him and his name mentioned around the world.

    Far from Dumb my friend, and he certainly won't be paying for any drinks this weekend with the co workers.

    Post edited by arthursway on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,133 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,581 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    It was foolish to say it out loud, but he’s not wrong. What a stupid question.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,133 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Absolutely ridiculous question, absolutely what everyone was thinking, an absolute idiot of a "reporter" but still not appropriate to say and absolutely appropriate to apologize.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Joe Trump



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,392 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Petal clutching in full flow…..as predicted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands



    Oh Joe! I wonder will the media be playing it over and over again all day making a big deal out of it like they would with Trump?

    Will RTE get Brian O'Donovan to give us a recap of "this extraordinary behaviour"?

    C'mon Joe, you need to fire yourself.


    “I’m not joking when I say this: If you’re ever working with me and I hear you treat another colleague with disrespect or talk down to someone, I promise you, I will fire you on the spot — on the spot. No ifs ands or buts,” Biden told the staffers, talking to a large

    video screen

    Oh isn't it funny that if Trump said this he'd be called a rude person who doesn't show respect. But when it's Biden, it's just a "gaffe".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,133 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Yes.

    Saying something that everyone is thinking but not knowing the microphone is on, constitutes a "worrying streak".

    Get over yourself



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,133 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "if Trump said this he'd be called a rude person who doesn't show respect. But when it's Biden, it's just a "gaffe"

    Trump said much worse and never apologized.

    Learn to differentiate. It's an essential life skill.



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