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Boxing Thread 11/12 (Joshua-Pulev, McKenna Brothers, Top Rank/PBC Cards in US)

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  • #202
    walshb
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    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Yea I think so too. Guess we may as well see it though!

    On Joshua taking a few licks as well... just imagining the damage Lewis would’ve done with the overhand right. I’d say ko round 2/3

    Yes. A 240 lbs mid to late 90s Lewis is probably the worst match for AJ, Fury and Wilder..

    He knocks all three out. Fury, being cuter and bigger and more slippy than the other two may see him make more a go of it..but once Lewis finds the range and lands, all three are done for!

    I don’t think any of them land a McCall or Rahman type power shot...


  • #203
    Morrison J
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    Cyrus wrote: »
    for usyk to have any chance at a HW world title it needs not to be held by fury or joshua, they are just too big for him.

    Usyk is taller than Andy Ruiz with a longer reach tbf. Also far more difficult to hit.


  • #204
    walshb
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Usyk is taller than Andy Ruiz with a longer reach tbf. Also far more difficult to hit.

    Not at all seeing this being hard to hit, even if using Ruiz as a comparison..

    Add in that his own offence is likely not going to intimidate and scare AJ, allowing AJ more confidence, time and precision to unload..

    Usyk at 215 lbs gets hit clean by 240+ lbs AJ, he is gone!


  • #205
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,243 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Morrison J wrote: »
    Usyk is taller than Andy Ruiz with a longer reach tbf. Also far more difficult to hit.

    yep, i mean size isnt everything, mike was 5 10

    he isnt a natural heavy weight tho and doesnt carry the power to get their respect.


  • #206
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    walshb wrote: »
    Not at all seeing this being hard to hit, even if using Ruiz as a comparison..

    Add in that his own offence is likely not going to intimidate and scare AJ, allowing AJ more confidence, time and precision to unload..

    Usyk at 215 lbs gets hit clean by 240+ lbs AJ, he is gone!

    Gassiev hardly touched him for 12 rounds bar one good shot in the 4th I think. Put Usyk in with a dangerous puncher and he'll box extremely elusive on the back foot.

    AJ looks to me like he'll be intimated by getting caught by anyone at the moment. Ruiz isn't a big puncher by heavyweight standards and look what happened when Joshua have him no respect. Usyk has more than enough power to hurt Joshua.


  • #207
    ebbsy
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    walshb wrote: »
    Usually I’d agree here. But something about Pulev showed a resiliency and clarity..I think the ref saw this in his eyes..Pulev was very lucid in round 3, even when taking shots..


    Actually I have changed my mind...you are right.

    Pulev was very tough.


  • #208
    walshb
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Gassiev hardly touched him for 12 rounds bar one good shot in the 4th I think. Put Usyk in with a dangerous puncher and he'll box extremely elusive on the back foot.

    AJ looks to me like he'll be intimated by getting caught by anyone at the moment. Ruiz isn't a big puncher by heavyweight standards and look what happened when Joshua have him no respect. Usyk has more than enough power to hurt Joshua.

    Gassiev and AJ

    Poles apart...

    AJ will get to Usyk....


  • #209
    Morrison J
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    walshb wrote: »
    Gassiev and AJ

    Poles apart...

    AJ will get to Usyk....

    AJ couldn't get to Joseph Parker. It's no given. Hopefully we'll see.


  • #210
    walshb
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    AJ couldn't get to Joseph Parker. It's no given. Hopefully we'll see.

    But you’re touting an Usyk win..

    For a win, I assume he needs to actually try to win..Box, fight, commit...

    Parker was only trying to survive. And he lost clearly...


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  • #211
    Morrison J
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    walshb wrote: »
    But you’re touting an Usyk win..

    For a win, I assume he needs to actually try to win..Box, fight, commit...

    Parker was only trying to survive. And he lost clearly...

    He lost clearly but I still gave Parker 4 rounds I think. He wasn't given the chance to work inside by the ref and just got outjabbed on the outside with no other plan B. Usyk is a far more layered boxer than Parker is in fairness and can go 12 hard rounds which Parker can't. He's levels above him.

    I just think it's a far more intriguing/competitive fight than what's being made out. Not a simple case of Joshua banging out one of the best cruiserweights of all time when he feels like it. Will be a tough gruelling fight for Joshua if he's to win it I think.


  • #212
    nacho libre
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    walshb wrote: »
    Y

    I tell you..if they fight, I expect an easier win for AJ than he had on Saturday!


    If you mean by that Usyk does not have the power to make Joshua cautious, then you maybe right. Uysk will have far more success than Pulvev initially. It will be tough for a while, but i expect Joshua's power will be the difference maker. He is too good not to land at some point- and as we've seen in previous Usyk fights he is hittable.


  • #213
    walshb
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    nacho libre wrote: »
    If you mean by that Usyk does not have the power to make Joshua cautious, then you maybe right. Uysk will have far more success than Pulvev initially. It will be tough for a while, but i expect Joshua's power will be the difference maker. He is too good not to land at some point- and as we've seen in previous Usyk fights he is hittable.

    AJ can land in any round...

    Not at all a surprise he lands clean and heavy right away to do the job!


  • #214
    Morrison J
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    Chisora came forward like a bull against Usyk so obviously landed a few shots. Nothing really substantial though was there? Usyk never remotely hurt. I think you've got to judge Usyk's ability not to get hit when he fought guys who could hurt him. Gassiev a monster puncher hardly laid a glove on him and when he did Usyk took it extremely well.

    The only time I've seen Usyk remotely hurt was by a body shot against Beterbiev in the amateurs. Joshua is a head hunter so that wouldn't concern me greatly.

    I just think this current safety first version of Joshua makes Usyk more than live. If the fight turns into a chess match on the outside I'd have to favour Usyk as the better overall boxer and mover.

    If Joshua fights more gun-ho it flips more in his favour but I'm not convinced he has that in his arsenal anymore.


  • #215
    walshb
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Chisora came forward like a bull against Usyk so obviously landed a few shots. Nothing really substantial though was there? Usyk never remotely hurt. I think you've got to judge Usyk's ability not to get hit when he fought guys who could hurt him. Gassiev a monster puncher hardly laid a glove on him and when he did Usyk took it extremely well.

    The only time I've seen Usyk remotely hurt was by a body shot against Beterbiev in the amateurs. Joshua is a head hunter so that wouldn't concern me greatly.

    I just think this current safety first version of Joshua makes Usyk more than live. If the fight turns into a chess match on the outside I'd have to favour Usyk as the better overall boxer and mover.

    If Joshua fights more gun-ho it flips more in his favour but I'm not convinced he has that in his arsenal anymore.

    AJ still has longer reach, height, longer arms and more power..

    Outside favours him and inside definitely favors him..

    You are not giving AJ enough credit for his outside boxing fundamentals...

    Even a safety-cautious AJ can clearly show superiority if this is a boxing-chess match..he has all the physical advantages.

    Usyk will see and feel the difference in overall size here..


  • #216
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Usyk does have fantastic feet and stamina. I think his best chance is to make it a dance contest for a few rounds. He’ll have to avoid aj;s jab and it could make for dull watching. With a few rounds ticked off he will need to commit in the counter. I don’t think aj will have an easy time cutting off the ring but Usyk’s timing needs to be perfect. I think he needs to fight better than ever before and still catch aj being foolish and over-committed. I can see aj winning long, inside or coming at him like a bull and overwhelming. I’d love Usyk to do it but it would surprise me.


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  • #217
    Coneygree
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    Even with a perfectly executed game plan, he'll never get a fair shout on the cards vs the golden goose.


  • #218
    selectamatic
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    Coneygree wrote: »
    Even with a perfectly executed game plan, he'll never get a fair shout on the cards vs the golden goose.

    Very true.

    And a similar situation if he was to fight Fury in America.

    Usyk has quite the unenviable task ahead of him should he wish to defeat the big boys.


  • #219
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    selectamatic wrote: »
    Very true.

    And a similar situation if he was to fight Fury in America.

    Usyk has quite the unenviable task ahead of him should he wish to defeat the big boys.

    Not so sure I agree with that. I think his name carries enough weight to get him a fair enough crack on the scorecards. If he runs for 12 rounds with an odd tap then I’m happy enough for the judges to recognise that. I don’t think he will beat either but we’ll see what happens. I still see a belt having to be vacated and he could well fight Joe Joyce for that one.


  • #220
    walshb
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    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Not so sure I agree with that. I think his name carries enough weight to get him a fair enough crack on the scorecards. If he runs for 12 rounds with an odd tap then I’m happy enough for the judges to recognise that. I don’t think he will beat either but we’ll see what happens. I still see a belt having to be vacated and he could well fight Joe Joyce for that one.

    I really hope Usyk does not become a recognized HW belt holder due to fighting someone like Joe Joyce for it....


  • #221
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    walshb wrote: »
    I really hope Usyk does not become a recognized HW belt holder due to fighting someone like Joe Joyce for it....

    Here we go for a first. I completely agree! I think both he and Joe are well worth a title shot but a soft belt like that would be a smear on the sport. I’d like to see the fight though I think it would be brilliant. Talk of Joe fighting Chisora, what a waste of time.


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