Gun safe won't open

Uinseann_16 · 18-08-2020 8:08pm

Heckler wrote: »

I'd imagine its not a great lock at but I'd like to figure out whats gone wrong. I think the key isn't catching the talon to move the bolt. Both keys are identical though. Nothing chipped or broken off. Maybe the talon is worn down.

So when you turn it youre not getting full contact?
If i were you id go onto reddit and go to the lockpicking section ( r/Lockpicking )and give some pics and your issue
You will find people with much more knowledge than myself

JP22 · 18-08-2020 9:33pm

Can't see any grease.??

Grease up all the moving parts and see if that allows the lock to operate.

Heckler · 19-08-2020 12:04am

Doused it in 3 in 1. I'm sure its fecked. My problem now is finding the same lock. Specific nut holes/spacing. Suppose can drill new ones if needed. Got quoted 120 for a locksmith call out ex VAT plus any repairs and/or the cost of a new lock.

Be cheaper to buy a new safe.

Grizzly 45 · 19-08-2020 12:42am

Heckler wrote: »

Aahh I think i got it. These fellas are shorn off yeah ?

To my untrained eye.They look totally out of alignment to the levers, and should by rights be actually sitting on them to give resistance when the key is turned? This might have been your initial problem,they wouldnt allow the lock to function due to them jamming against these springs not sitting on the levers properly.
Contact the safes distributors/maker and ask them for a replacement lock?

JP22 · 19-08-2020 11:24pm

check out locks on line.co.uk

Cass · 19-08-2020 11:40pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

To my untrained eye.They look totally out of alignment to the levers, and should by rights be actually sitting on them to give resistance when the key is turned?

Thinking the same, and i also know feck all about it.

Seems like the key is only turning some of the levers. IOW engaging with only say two or three meaning the lock is still held.

Is there anyway to disassemble the unit, straighten each lever/pin, and then reassemble. At this point you've nothing to lose so might be worthwhile.

Done the same with my back door. Was having issues and when i knew it was a fix or replace i took it apart. A spring had worked itself loose and stopped working so i took the unit apart, tightened up everything, and reassembled. Works fine now.

Heckler · 20-08-2020 6:37pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

To my untrained eye.They look totally out of alignment to the levers, and should by rights be actually sitting on them to give resistance when the key is turned? This might have been your initial problem,they wouldnt allow the lock to function due to them jamming against these springs not sitting on the levers properly.
Contact the safes distributors/maker and ask them for a replacement lock?

No info on the makers but have found a distributor in Ireland so will drop them a line.

JP22 wrote: »

check out locks on line.co.uk

Will do. Thanks.

Cass wrote: »

Thinking the same, and i also know feck all about it.

Seems like the key is only turning some of the levers. IOW engaging with only say two or three meaning the lock is still held.

Is there anyway to disassemble the unit, straighten each lever/pin, and then reassemble. At this point you've nothing to lose so might be worthwhile.

Done the same with my back door. Was having issues and when i knew it was a fix or replace i took it apart. A spring had worked itself loose and stopped working so i took the unit apart, tightened up everything, and reassembled. Works fine now.

I was in touch with a locksmiths and will probably drop it in to them to see if it can be repaired. Its possible from what I can see to disassemble the unit but I might make a balls of it completely and put it beyond repair so might hold off doing that tempting and all as it is to try...

From all the websites I've looked up I've not seen any locks that look like my one. Typical :rolleyes:

tudderone · 20-08-2020 8:23pm

I wouldn't bother repairing the thing, chuck it in the bin and buy a new one, just use it as a pattern to check against the new one. Do a search on ebay, not the irish one, there is nothing on it. But the UK or German one.

Heckler · 20-08-2020 9:19pm

I'm thinking I might disassemble it and have a go myself. The research I've done seems to suggest theres nothing too complicated going on inside. While it should be easily replacable normally, most I've seen are rectangular while mine is square so the mounting holes wouldn't align. This is the closest I've found so far that might fit the bill.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gunsafe-Cabinet-Brattonsound-Sentinal-Plus-Deadlock-7-Lever-Replacement-Lock/283881937738?hash=item4218ae9b4a:g:vsgAAOSwSQxewazT

tudderone · 20-08-2020 11:22pm

Heckler wrote: »

I'm thinking I might disassemble it and have a go myself. The research I've done seems to suggest theres nothing too complicated going on inside. While it should be easily replacable normally, most I've seen are rectangular while mine is square so the mounting holes wouldn't align. This is the closest I've found so far that might fit the bill.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gunsafe-Cabinet-Brattonsound-Sentinal-Plus-Deadlock-7-Lever-Replacement-Lock/283881937738?hash=item4218ae9b4a:g:vsgAAOSwSQxewazT

A few minutes with a small round file or a die grinder would get the holes aligned.

philog · 20-08-2020 11:31pm

I have a lock and key here.. Gimme a ring on 0857484599.. I had the very same problem as you.... I think I know what the problem is...

Heckler · 21-08-2020 12:00am

philog wrote: »

I have a lock and key here.. Gimme a ring on 0857484599.. I had the very same problem as you.... I think I know what the problem is...

Cheers Philog. Any details on what you think has gone wrong ?

philog · 21-08-2020 9:55pm

Heckler wrote: »

Cheers Philog. Any details on what you think has gone wrong ?

If it's a hollow key.. You need to completely clean it out with a needle and then blow it out with an air hose.. You might think its clean but it may not be.. The key may not be going in the full way onto the spigot.. Even a millimetre will prevent it from opening.. You could be very surprised.. That was problem with mine.. The key got small particles of dirt up in it from being in my pocket.. Anyway I rang brattonsound in England and they sent me a new lock and 2 keys.. Great people to deal with.. So now I have the old lock which is perfect.. But only one key with it.. Its here if you want it.. Its working as smooth as silk.. Gimme a bell if you want it and I'll send it on to you... Its very easy to fit.. Only 2 bolts.. Hope you get sorted..

Heckler · 21-08-2020 10:54pm

philog wrote: »

If it's a hollow key.. You need to completely clean it out with a needle and then blow it out with an air hose.. You might think its clean but it may not be.. The key may not be going in the full way onto the spigot.. Even a millimetre will prevent it from opening.. You could be very surprised.. That was problem with mine.. The key got small particles of dirt up in it from being in my pocket.. Anyway I rang brattonsound in England and they sent me a new lock and 2 keys.. Great people to deal with.. So now I have the old lock which is perfect.. But only one key with it.. Its here if you want it.. Its working as smooth as silk.. Gimme a bell if you want it and I'll send it on to you... Its very easy to fit.. Only 2 bolts.. Hope you get sorted..

Thanks a mil for the offer Philog. Appreciate it. I dropped by a local locksmiths today and handed in the lock, was told they'd have a look but it would be tuesday before I'd have it back. No problem.

I left and got a phone call 20 minutes later. Lock fixed. One of the levers had a problem so he replaced it and job done. 40euros. Delighted to have it sorted.

So a big thanks and recommendation to Adm Security on the Tramore Road in Cork. I found out after that they don't even have a call out charge. Only charge for the work done. After I got a 120euro call out charge quote from a larger, more well known locksmith company before any work is done. I know where my business will be going in future.

Thanks for all the previous help and suggestions fellas. Can't beat ye shooters for lending a hand.

Rows Grower · 21-08-2020 11:09pm

Heckler wrote: »

Thanks a mil for the offer Philog. Appreciate it. I dropped by a local locksmiths today and handed in the lock, was told they'd have a look but it would be tuesday before I'd have it back. No problem.

I left and got a phone call 20 minutes later. Lock fixed. One of the levers had a problem so he replaced it and job done. 40euros. Delighted to have it sorted.

So a big thanks and recommendation to Adm Security on the Tramore Road in Cork. I found out after that they don't even have a call out charge. Only charge for the work done. After I got a 120euro call out charge quote from a larger, more well known locksmith company before any work is done. I know where my business will be going in future.

Thanks for all the previous help and suggestions fellas. Can't beat ye shooters for lending a hand.

Great result, fair play to ADM and to yourself as well Heckler.

Word of mouth is the best advertising.

Heckler · 21-08-2020 11:16pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

Great result, fair play to ADM and to yourself as well Heckler.

Word of mouth is the best advertising.

Yup. Couldn't have asked for a better result. Will refit the lock tomorrow. Shouldn't be a problem but if I have any hassle it's good to know these lads are there who can sort it.

omegaodie · 04-09-2020 12:44am

For posterity. WD40.

juice1304 · 04-09-2020 2:44pm

WD40 is terrible for locks and guns. If you want to lubricate a lock powdered graphite works best.

tudderone · 04-09-2020 2:45pm

juice1304 wrote: »

WD40 is terrible for locks and guns. If you want to lubricate a lock powdered graphite works best.

Yes, wd40 is useless for most things. Use proper light oil.

Grizzly 45 · 04-09-2020 9:46pm

WD40 is a most important tool in any rednecks tool kit.
if it ain't moving and it should.WD40 it!! If it is moving and it aint supposed to.Duct tape it till it stops!:D

omegaodie · 07-09-2020 2:36pm

I don't know nutin bought gun oil, but for locks, joints, bolts, bearings or stiff knees then WD40 is the stuff. :P

Grizzly 45 · 10-09-2020 9:11pm

Great ad for WD

Uinseann_16 · 13-09-2020 6:21pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Great ad for WD

Jaysis

:D i dont think you'd want to take that ad too literally id say itd burn:pac::D

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