The Healy Raes

Collie D · 25-05-2019 5:47pm

Is this thread like the gang land one where we can’t name names? Who’s the unpopular Kerry politician?

The Rape of Lucretia · 25-05-2019 5:48pm

I would shy away from banning people from standing for election, but one solution could be remedial classes made compulsory for the people of Kerry. I know there are probably people there who know what a joke the Healy Raes are, and are embarrassed to live in a county that elects that type of representative. But they would surely see it as necessary and go along with it, if it solved the problem of Kerry people who cannot vote responsibly.

Rows Grower · 25-05-2019 6:04pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I would shy away from banning people from standing for election, but one solution could be remedial classes made compulsory for the people of Kerry. I know there are probably people there who know what a joke the Healy Raes are, and are embarrassed to live in a county that elects that type of representative. But they would surely see it as necessary and go along with it, if it solved the problem of Kerry people who cannot vote responsibly.

That's handy seeing as you have no say whatsoever in the matter and the Attorney General quite recently advised the government it could not implement banning even for former TD's who had been convicted of corruption.

Rows Grower · 25-05-2019 6:07pm

kennypowers wrote: »

What happens when /if he gets convicted of the assault will he have to step down or does that only happen in countries that hold politicians to account?

What happened Jim McDaid when he was a sitting TD and got convicted for driving up the wrong side of a dual carriageway locked out of his mind after drinking wine for 7 hours?

amcalester · 25-05-2019 6:14pm

Have the Healy-Reas taken a leaf out of Sinn Féin’s book and employed online supporters?

Atoms for Peace · 25-05-2019 6:25pm

dude_abided wrote: »

I thought they actually did quite well by their constituency from the sounds of it (building Kilgarvan road, providing for area etc). Irrespective of if you like them or not, surely that's showing democracy working?

Shane Ross on the other hand....

Ever drive through kilgarvan on that road? Its like an Irish Pripyat that's been abandoned since the 80's.

paleoperson · 25-05-2019 6:34pm

I had some sympathy for Jackie Healy Rae Senior - an old man set in this ways, some mental impairment no doubt setting in, global warming wasn't confirmed during the majority of his life, probably didn't finish second level education, against establishment D4 types who didn't understand Kerry, you know I get it, I'm from a farming background myself.

But Michael Healy Rae has no excuses. I feel like he's selling a con, particularly to supporters of Jackie Healy Rae who see him as a continuation. There's no way Michael Healy Rae could be that irrational about climate change, drink driving, etc.

Rows Grower · 25-05-2019 8:52pm

Jaysus lads, Johnny is after topping the first count in Kenmare region with over 3,000 votes.

Dakota Dan · 25-05-2019 8:53pm

salmocab wrote: »

No he is a knob but that irrelevant, are you suggesting that because one politician is a sleeveen that the rest have to be too?

I'll explain it better for you to grasp, Bertie was a gombeen as well and the Dubs voted for him in their droves.

Ubbquittious · 25-05-2019 8:54pm

I moved to Kerry not so long ago and I don't think the Healy Rae's are that bad after all. Better than those serious auld dhrips in FF / FG

Dakota Dan · 25-05-2019 9:00pm

Collie D wrote: »

Is this thread like the gang land one where we can’t name names? Who’s the unpopular Kerry politician?

There's 2 lads mentioned here that will be stepping down, must be one of them never heard of them though.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/kerry-county-council-jackie-healy-rae-elected-on-first-count-1.3890435

ChikiChiki · 25-05-2019 9:21pm

Collie D wrote: »

To be fair the county council is the best place for them. Local issues at local level. Just keep it out of the Dail.

Aye, awarding some nice local contracts to the plant hire business. On OUR money.

Collie D · 25-05-2019 9:29pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Aye, awarding some nice local contracts to the plant hire business. On OUR money.

I actually started typing something similar but I decided to be nice for a change

invicta · 25-05-2019 9:34pm

Boys and girls, the facts ARE the Healy-Rae’s get ‘work’ done!
Love it or loathe it, that’s what it is, and the ballot boxes have proved it again today

Mrsmum · 25-05-2019 9:36pm

The amount of family members of established politicians up for election all over the country is something else. Peadar Tobin has a sister running, Boxer moran has a son and also a brother running, Lowry has a son, Noel Dempsey has a daughter, Mary O'Rourke has a son, Mattie McGrath has a son, that's just what I heard in the last few days and of course the Healy Raes have the whole family running. Also I never knew until the last few days that Lynn Boylan and Eoin O'Broin are partners. Family dynasties all over the place.

salmocab · 25-05-2019 9:48pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I'll explain it better for you to grasp, Bertie was a gombeen as well and the Dubs voted for him in their droves.

Ah I see now, so what your saying is because the dubs elected a gombeen then Kerry should too.

Rows Grower · 25-05-2019 9:58pm

Maura is leading in Killarney as far as I know, over 2,000 votes.

They'll be counting again tomorrow morning.

Votes like that don't fall out of the sky in all fairness.

Edgware · 25-05-2019 10:02pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

The amount of family members of established politicians up for election all over the country is something else. Peadar Tobin has a sister running, Boxer moran has a son and also a brother running, Lowry has a son, Noel Dempsey has a daughter, Mary O'Rourke has a son, Mattie McGrath has a son, that's just what I heard in the last few days and of course the Healy Raes have the whole family running. Also I never knew until the last few days that Lynn Boylan and Eoin O'Broin are partners. Family dynasties all over the place.

You've been busy the "last few days" catching up with all the political news.
Don't get too excited or you will be put back in to the padded cell

The Rape of Lucretia · 25-05-2019 10:17pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I moved to Kerry not so long ago and I don't think the Healy Rae's are that bad after all. Better than those serious auld dhrips in FF / FG

If you want to see pantomime or vaudeville, go to a theatre though. Politics is a serious business if we want it done correctly, and a Laurel and Hardy type show doesnt really cut it.

The Rape of Lucretia · 25-05-2019 10:19pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

The amount of family members of established politicians up for election all over the country is something else. Peadar Tobin has a sister running, Boxer moran has a son and also a brother running, Lowry has a son, Noel Dempsey has a daughter, Mary O'Rourke has a son, Mattie McGrath has a son, that's just what I heard in the last few days and of course the Healy Raes have the whole family running. Also I never knew until the last few days that Lynn Boylan and Eoin O'Broin are partners. Family dynasties all over the place.

Only if you elect them. They dont elect themselves. Its a problem for Ireland, that ever since it lost its lords and Monarchy, it has tried to fill a national void by electing family dynasties.

riemann · 26-05-2019 7:26am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Only if you elect them. They dont elect themselves. Its a problem for Ireland, that ever since it lost its lords and Monarchy, it has tried to fill a national void by electing family dynasties.

No it hasn't.

riddles · 26-05-2019 7:55am

If your family has a background in any business profession or sport to a certain level clearly the next generation are potentially going to move in that direction. Politic's is no different in this regard, if people put their name out there for election and get the required votes to be elected well done them. If they leverage a family network to do so, what's the problem?

whisky_galore · 26-05-2019 8:00am

I wonder if the people most butthurt about the HR dynasty wished their elected representatives worked as well as they do for them?

smurgen · 26-05-2019 8:19am

tayto lover wrote: »

Gombeens vote for gombeens.

And what of dubs voting for money grabbing fraudsters?

awec · 26-05-2019 8:33am

Council is the best place for them.

Problems arise when the balloons are elected to the Dail and act like Councillors for Kerry instead of TDs.

irishguitarlad · 26-05-2019 8:35am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Aye, awarding some nice local contracts to the plant hire business. On OUR money.

That's another thing, they do a ****e job on the roads in Kerry so they are fücked again in a few months, thus getting more contracts, pocketing money and doing more ****e Jobs, the never ending circle. Danny said It was the fairies messing with one particular road, eh no, you just do a shít job.

colm_mcm · 26-05-2019 8:43am

irishguitarlad wrote: »

That's another thing, they do a ****e job on the roads in Kerry so they are fücked again in a few months, thus getting more contracts, pocketing money and doing more ****e Jobs, the never ending circle. Danny said It was the fairies messing with one particular road, eh no, you just do a shít job.

Isn’t plant hire just machinery?

irishguitarlad · 26-05-2019 8:53am

colm_mcm wrote: »

Isn’t plant hire just machinery?

Yeah but I'm sure there's dodgy dealings there. Another thing, Michael was marching with the water protestors but had the contract to put in the meters. Some will say smart business man but I can't help view It as a bit two faced.

SlowBlowin · 26-05-2019 8:57am

If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... the The Healy RAe-Team."

I have lived in Kerry about 8 years. The Healy Raes are a breath of fresh air. Never in all the places I have lived have I come across politicians so eager to help their constituents, and if thats what you want you wont find better. Yes they have their own businesses, they don't hide it, they keep the work in Kerry.

They have helped me huge amounts, I have a new 500m tarmac drive instead of the old muddy track. The road to the village is well maintained. I know if I need medical treatment, and I cant get it locally they will collect and deliver me to a hospital that will. If you need to chat to them they are 100% approachable and will listen. Many have a story about how the HRs have helped them out.

The reason they keep getting elected is because they are an asset to the people of Kerry. Sure we know everyone outside Kerry hates them, but we think they are jealous.

salmocab · 26-05-2019 10:01am

SlowBlowin wrote: »

, but we think they are jealous.

They’re not

liam7831 · 26-05-2019 10:06am

salmocab wrote:

Theyâ€™re not

Green monster peeping out there

salmocab · 26-05-2019 10:07am

liam7831 wrote: »

Green monster peeping out there

Nope not even a bit

iamwhoiam · 26-05-2019 10:09am

SlowBlowin wrote: »

If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... the The Healy RAe-Team."

I have lived in Kerry about 8 years. The Healy Raes are a breath of fresh air. Never in all the places I have lived have I come across politicians so eager to help their constituents, and if thats what you want you wont find better. Yes they have their own businesses, they don't hide it, they keep the work in Kerry.

They have helped me huge amounts, I have a new 500m tarmac drive instead of the old muddy track. The road to the village is well maintained. I know if I need medical treatment, and I cant get it locally they will collect and deliver me to a hospital that will. If you need to chat to them they are 100% approachable and will listen. Many have a story about how the HRs have helped them out.

The reason they keep getting elected is because they are an asset to the people of Kerry. Sure we know everyone outside Kerry hates them, but we think they are jealous.

Which is exactly why they should be councillors and not TD's .
They do nothing at all for me as I live outside Kerry .

Yurt2 · 26-05-2019 10:10am

Apparently Danny and Michael's mother used to speak Arabic and she worked in an Arab UN mission in New York.

I'm not even joking, look it up.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 26-05-2019 10:13am

salmocab wrote: »

They’re not

You'd have to love the Healy-Rae's for no other reason than they seem to have occupied the minds of so many for so long.

I approached my government TD for assistance in dealing with a particular issue. I rang and spoke to a member of his team and explained my problem and sent an email with all the details in it.

I got a return letter saying they had raised it with the head of the relevant department and sent me on the reply, which was practically, verbatim , the contents of the email I had sent him the first day.

I contacted the Healy-Rae's, Michael rang me back at 6.15 the following morning and, after talking for 15 minutes, asked me to forward the details to his team. Within a week, they had the problem sorted, mostly in my favour.

I can show any number of people who have had the same experience with them, when bureaucracy grinds an issue to a halt, they can get it moving again.

danoriordan1402 · 26-05-2019 10:14am

Yurt! wrote: »

Apparently Danny and Michael's mother used to speak Arabic and she worked in an Arab UN mission in New York.

I'm not even joking, look it up.

They may as well be speaking Arabic... anytime I have heard them on the media.

alan partridge aha · 26-05-2019 10:27am

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Which is exactly why they should be councillors and not TD's .
They do nothing at all for me as I live outside Kerry .

No a TD will carry far more clout than a councillor. That's why they get so much done for their people. I wouldn't mind them in my constituency.

invicta · 26-05-2019 10:46am

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Which is exactly why they should be councillors and not TD's .
They do nothing at all for me as I live outside Kerry .

The next time you have a problem (and I hope you don’t),where ever you live, maybe you should contact one of them, and I am NOT being smart or facetious.

The number of people who can verify this from outside the Kerry area is testament to this fact, from getting people to Belfast with medical problems to the mundane things like filling out forms.
OK they’re not the most eloquent speakers, but their actions speak much louder.
Three constituencies in Kerry, three pole toppers.
How can that many people be wrong??

chinguetti · 26-05-2019 11:08am

Folks, if we all had TDs or Councillors like the Healy Raes, things would get done in the country. Say what you like about them but the Irish system is set up to look after your own area and not care a jot about national or international matters.

They know that if they do the work, there's votes in it. By helping people out on anything, they'll get a vote. Its the way rural Ireland works, 'there's x votes in the house'. If they help people out and call them and get them a response with a Government/Department stamp on it, they've shown their worth.

Give out about them all you like but they'd run rings about most guys 'up there in Dublin' and the Dublin guys know it.

Collie D · 26-05-2019 11:13am

chinguetti wrote: »

Give out about them all you like but they'd run rings about most guys 'up there in Dublin' and the Dublin guys know it.

Which is fine at council level but it’s not a ****ing competition to show up the Dublin lads which seems to be how they and some of their voters see it. They’re supposed to be running a country at Dail level.

Nothing would get done if all of our TDs spent their time fast tracking medical cards and passports or gassing on about Noah’s Ark, fairies and strange noises.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 26-05-2019 11:42am

Collie D wrote: »

Which is fine at council level but it’s not a ****ing competition to show up the Dublin lads which seems to be how they and some of their voters see it. They’re supposed to be running a country at Dail level.

Nothing would get done if all of our TDs spent their time fast tracking medical cards and passports or gassing on about Noah’s Ark, fairies and strange noises.

They wouldn't need to if those issues were being dealt with in a timely and efficient manner.

JP Liz V1 · 26-05-2019 11:49am

So 2 more to Kerry Council, they have their supporters

Danzy · 26-05-2019 11:55am

They work and work and work for their areas.

They are friendly, charismatic and always willing to help.

They are more than just fix de holes, they are a community support and development group at this stage.

As local politicians they are exemplary and one should use them as the benchmark for deciding who to vote for locally.

Other politicians or parties couldn't match their work ethic though, understandably so.

The parish pump has no place in the Dáil though but the Healy Rees are hardly unique in that.

Mrsmum · 26-05-2019 11:57am

Do TDs have much power to do anything but local stuff though. From what I see The Cabinet/Ministers make the decisions and run the country largely ignoring their own TDs never mind TDs from other parties. Imo there are absolutely tons of TDs around the country who most of us have never or barely heard of so you would hope they are doing something at local level. Otherwise they are a complete waste of space. I think these are the TDs that get a really easy ride whereas the HealyRaes are working for votes but at the service of their constitutes from morning to night and are ridiculed for it.

The J Stands for Jay · 26-05-2019 11:58am

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Ever drive through kilgarvan on that road? Its like an Irish Pripyat that's been abandoned since the 80's.

I can't afford a trip to Chernobyl. Would it be worth a trip to Kilgarvan, or are you just exaggerating the crappiness?

Collie D · 26-05-2019 12:01pm

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

They wouldn't need to if those issues were being dealt with in a timely and efficient manner.

It takes a couple of weeks to get a passport. A constituent going on holiday next week and only just realising they’ve no passport shouldn’t be an issue for an elected representative at national level.

I’ve no idea what the waiting time for a medical card is but should somebody who is equally or more deserving be pushed further down the list just because you might vote a certain way?

chinguetti · 26-05-2019 12:05pm

Collie D wrote: »

Which is fine at council level but it’s not a ****ing competition to show up the Dublin lads which seems to be how they and some of their voters see it. They’re supposed to be running a country at Dail level.

Nothing would get done if all of our TDs spent their time fast tracking medical cards and passports or gassing on about Noah’s Ark, fairies and strange noises.

I never said it was a 'them & us' with Dublin, I said they are working the Irish system which is looking after your own. If you don't look after your voters, they won't vote for you. Healy Raes know this and work it brilliantly (I'm not saying they're right or wrong by the way).

Harry Palmr · 26-05-2019 12:09pm

Three of them - okay there are 33 councilors but nonetheless that could be a vital cabal to pass or defeat a motion if they act as one.

The Rape of Lucretia · 26-05-2019 12:29pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So 2 more to Kerry Council, they have their supporters

They certainly do. But I wouldnt be too concerned about the Healy Raes as such - but my God, the people of Kerry! What the hell went wrong down there that there is sufficient support to elect that kind of country bumpkin as their representative?

SlowBlowin · 26-05-2019 12:32pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

They certainly do. But I wouldnt be too concerned about the Healy Raes as such - but my God, the people of Kerry! What the hell went wrong down there that there is sufficient support to elect that kind of country bumpkin as their representative?

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