The Healy Raes

Textronic

weldoninhio wrote: »

Each county should have a mirror county in General Elections, where candidates from say Donegal and Cork are voted in by the people in the opposite county, on their manifesto of what they will do for the country, not what roads they fix. TD's should be barred from tipping a nod or a wink to county councils too. There should be a set communication line for queries etc and thats it.

Agree with the last bit

They shouldn't be able to garner votes by doing favours

As another poster said half the time they're knocking some other person back down the queue

Rechuchote

Gravelly wrote: »

Seriously? You feel you can't discuss a politicians record on a discussion board (a politician who's record you yourself raised as an example in your previous post!) because she lost her spouse a year ago?

Of all the weird whataboutery excuses I've read on here, that is by far and away the best.

I didn't - I replied to a post by Gravelly that raised her name

Gravelly

Rechuchote wrote: »

I didn't - I replied to a post by Gravelly that raised her name

Fann Linn

And even if the Healy Raes are or are not gombeens, both Leo and MM would bend over backwards and give them whatever they'd ask for if their votes were required for the newTaoiseach in the next election.

al87987

Wow, I can't believe that the drunk driving endorsing, climate change denying political embarrassments are getting so much love on here just for sorting out a few locals.

2smiggy

al87987 wrote: »

Wow, I can't believe that the drunk driving endorsing, climate change denying political embarrassments are getting so much love on here just for sorting out a few locals.

maybe because they help out their constituents ? you know, like they were voted in to do. One of my local TD's maybe spoke once in the last Dail , lasted 1 term, did feck all, and now has his pension. I would prefer one doing work for the area he was elected to represent to be honest.

whisky_galore

2smiggy wrote: »

maybe because they help out their constituents ? you know, like they were voted in to do. One of my local TD's maybe spoke once in the last Dail , lasted 1 term, did feck all, and now has his pension. I would prefer one doing work for the area he was elected to represent to be honest.

The only statement in the Dail from a local TD of mine was asking if a window could be opened to let in some fresh air allegedly.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Rechuchote wrote: »

I wasn't particularly talking about this deputy; I wouldn't be comfortable in arguing over the record of a recently widowed woman who's in grief, and I'm sure you wouldn't either if you thought about it.

But to choose another, look at Shane Ross. His proposed law on drunken driving, and the solution of the bus fleet if it would seem to cause rural isolation, seems a genuinely national solution to a certainly national problem.

Every week we see "Teen killed in horror crash", "Mother dies in smash", etc. And garda figures show that a lot of drivers and a lot of people killed by drivers are drunk.

I'm hoping and expecting that this much-disputed law will bring down the deaths, and Ireland will be full of people walking around and enjoying their lives who might otherwise have had their lifeline cut off a year before.

And how was that 'solution' arrived at? It wasn't any part of the original proposal.

dulux99

Reading this thread it's very easy to spot who lives in the real world and who doesn't. The ongoing theme that it's somehow the HealyRaes fault that the dail doesn't function as it should is just laughable.

weldoninhio

Gravelly wrote: »

You'd have to make sure they are counties with no historical rivalry, or you'd have, say Kerry people voting in the worst possible politician they could in Cork, and Meath people doing the same for Dublin etc. (though it probably wouldn't make things much worse!).

But why would they do that when under the system, the politicians would be working for the good of the country rather than for the locals. No interference in the work county councils do, who should be completely separate from TDs. If someone turns up at a clinic looking for a medical card, give them the number for the HSE, someone wants a house transfer? point them in the direction of the housing department.

Country may improve a little if people know they can't buy votes and have to work for them.

Gravelly

weldoninhio wrote: »

But why would they do that when under the system, the politicians would be working for the good of the country rather than for the locals. No interference in the work county councils do, who should be completely separate from TDs.

If the system was (completely) changed so that was the case, yes, but at the present time, no TD who isn't a minister (and most who are) care a damn about anything other than looking after their own, because that is how they get reelected.

I'm inclined to think a list system would be the best way forward.

Textronic

Another poster said it up thread

If there was proper fair procedures in place at local level for services etc.

There wouldn't be a market for gombeen politicians like the Healy-raes

flas

2smiggy wrote: »

maybe because they help out their constituents ? you know, like they were voted in to do. One of my local TD's maybe spoke once in the last Dail , lasted 1 term, did feck all, and now has his pension. I would prefer one doing work for the area he was elected to represent to be honest.

But they are not meant to.be elected to just work for the area they are elected in,they are meant to be elected for a national parliament. To do good for the whole population of the country! Its not just the Healy raes, its the majority of them! Should have a system where by half run on national platforms,let them decide the important things, then people can run for regional government,let them worry about regional issues, and county councils for fixing the roads, with appropriate salary scales for appropriate roles

Textronic

They should be arrested anyway




By the fashion police

Graces7

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's win-win for them, isn't it?

I saw MHR going around talking to the young ones in bars in Killarney on a sat night, shaking hands and taking selfies.

What big city politician ever does that? If people feel valued and their problems are sorted for them, who wouldn't vote for them?

Why should they give a fcuk what happens in inner city Dublin, the Midlands or Donegal?

After living amidst his "patch" for years? He was doing that to get votes.

I had barely moved in when he was at the gate, rain and all. I had been forewarned so when he asked if I were registered to vote. I let him delve in his car boot for the forms.

The old man who was my nearest neighbour used to literally hide in his shed when they came round .

On the Kerry forum there was a thread about buying votes by bumping folk up the housing list. He tried that with me. Only once.

Be not fooled by that vacuous smile.

whisky_galore

Graces7 wrote: »

After living amidst his "patch" for years? He was doing that to get votes.

I had barely moved in when he was at the gate, rain and all. I had been forewarned so when he asked if I were registered to vote. I let him delve in his car boot for the forms.

The old man who was my nearest neighbour used to literally hide in his shed when they came round .

On the Kerry forum there was a thread about buying votes by bumping folk up the housing list. He tried that with me. Only once.

Be not fooled by that vacuous smile.

Blow-in. :pac:
Of course he was, but at least he was making an effort.

People remember what was done for them, old CJ is now hated in many quarters but you can't say a bad word about him in Dingle because of what he did for the place.

Gravelly

whisky_galore wrote: »

Blow-in. :pac:
Of course he was, but at least he was making an effort.

People remember what was done for them, old CJ is now hated in many quarters but you can't say a bad word about him in Dingle because of what he did for the place.

Moneygall is the same with Obama

Graces7

whisky_galore wrote: »

Blow-in. :pac:
Of course he was, but at least he was making an effort.

People remember what was done for them, old CJ is now hated in many quarters but you can't say a bad word about him in Dingle because of what he did for the place.

Well, there were far worse things that cannot be posted here, and I told him so in an email. Next time I saw him was when I was trading at the county fairl when he saw m e he went white and fled...

And bumping folk up the housing list is an appalling thing to do, so unfair to the others on the list..

NB I been here nearly 20 years now so hardly a blow in

whisky_galore

Graces7 wrote: »

NB I been here nearly 20 years now so hardly a blow in

Unless your people have been there for more than a century you're still a blow-in.

Graces7

whisky_galore wrote: »

Unless your people have been there for more than a century you're still a blow-in.

Well seeing as how you say that, my people were here well under a century ago
and centuries before that ...

DavyD_83

I don't think they're as dumb as they look (well, maybe Danny is, and he's by far the thickest looking), they're just business men.
Their job is secured by keeping the people around them happy, simple as. A large part of the problem is those people would prefer to see a road outside their farm than schools around the country.
And if the HRs can get other jobs on the side as a result, with their plant hire etc, they'll milk it for all they can.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's all wrong and that they are redneck scumbags taking the country for a ride, but they're just playing the game. And playing it far better than the likes of Shane Ross who gets nothing done for anybody and gives the impression he's only in it for the photo shoots.

This pair at it again in the Dail today delaying the Road Traffic Bill. Can the minister simpy not guillotine the bill through at this stage? They should be made attend a few funerals of the victims of RTAs to get a sense of perspective.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0706/976720-road-traffic-legislation/

EDIT: bill passed in the Dail this afternoon by 75 votes to 8.

GMSA

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This pair at it again in the Dail today delaying the Road Traffic Bill. Can the minister simpy not guillotine the bill through at this stage? They should be made attend a few funerals of the victims of RTAs to get a sense of perspective.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0706/976720-road-traffic-legislation/

EDIT: bill passed in the Dail this afternoon by 75 votes to 8.

Looks like half the Dáil abstained.

SeaFields

GMSA wrote: »

Looks like half the Dáil abstained.

There's a difference between abstaining and being out sunbathing somewhere.

Atlantic Dawn

Deleted User wrote: »

This pair at it again in the Dail today delaying the Road Traffic Bill. Can the minister simpy not guillotine the bill through at this stage? They should be made attend a few funerals of the victims of RTAs to get a sense of perspective.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0706/976720-road-traffic-legislation/

EDIT: bill passed in the Dail this afternoon by 75 votes to 8.

How in the name of jaysus was Michael Healy-Rae allowed to speak on it today for an hour and 15 minutes, seriously what did he talk about, I'd love a link to it to see what he was waffling about, you could probably cut out "de people of Scccchoooooooouttttttttt Keeeeeeerrrrrry" from it and be left with 3 minutes worth...

Mr Healy-Rae, who spoke for an hour and 15 minutes on the bill, also described those who criticised him as "bully boys".

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0706/976720-road-traffic-legislation/

GMSA

SeaFields wrote: »

There's a difference between abstaining and being out sunbathing somewhere.

Ah well you've got to have priorities I suppose.

tayto lover

Michael spoke for 75 minutes but nobody knows what he said. Some type of gibberish I presume.

Rows Grower

GMSA wrote: »

Looks like half the Dáil abstained.

Fair play to the Healy Raes for standing up for what they believe in.

What excuse do the representatives who didn't vote have I wonder?

It's hard to understand how Mike and Danny are the high profile story today for simply doing their job and Ivor Callely and his latest criminal conviction is hardly worth a mention. I wonder why that is?

On a side note, it was interesting watching the reaction of Martin Ferris during the exchanges today.

Littlehorny

What makes their argument so weak is apart from the fact Danny owns a pub. As someone from a rural area myself I have never seen a man enter a pub have one pint and then drive home. The Healy Rae's are still of that extinct way of thinking that it's ok to skull 6 pints and get in the car as "sure I know the way home, haven't I been driving it for years."

Rows Grower

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

How in the name of jaysus was Michael Healy-Rae allowed to speak on it today for an hour and 15 minutes, seriously what did he talk about, I'd love a link to it to see what he was waffling about, you could probably cut out "de people of Scccchoooooooouttttttttt Keeeeeeerrrrrry" from it and be left with 3 minutes worth...






https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0706/976720-road-traffic-legislation/

You can rest assured that his entire contribution was well dissected by the media and they will do their upmost to find flaw.

hawkwing

If you don't have an accent like one of Varadkar/Harris/Murphy or Ross you are assumed to be uneducated and laughed at in certain places nowadays.

Alf Veedersane

hawkwing wrote: »

If you don't have an accent like one of Varadkar/Harris/Murphy or Ross you are assumed to be uneducated and laughed at in certain places nowadays.

Possibly.

But if you come out with uneducated comments, as is Danny Healy Rae's wont, then it has nothing to do with the accent.

Rows Grower

Littlehorny wrote: »

What makes their argument so weak is apart from the fact Danny owns a pub. As someone from a rural area myself I have never seen a man enter a pub have one pint and then drive home. The Healy Rae's are still of that extinct way of thinking that it's ok to skull 6 pints and get in the car as "sure I know the way home, haven't I been driving it for years."

What makes your argument so weak is that you are pedalling untruths.

_Dara_

LaChatteGitane wrote: »

Not for the greater good, they aren't. It is all on a very personal level, their interference , sorry, their help. Often to the disadvantage of some other person, who will have to find his/her place way down the list.

People often tall me that the Healy-Raes do a lot of good for Kerry. When I ask if they can give me specifics, the go "er er, well they've done the road for so and so, or they have been to the funeral of my cousin 5 times removed.

It is corruption to some level as far as I'm concerned. Money might not be exchanged, but a few votes here and there will do the trick.

They might not be great intellectuals, but they are clever and crafty.

An excellent point.

Try_harder

The irony of these guys claiming to be pro-life...

irishgrover

As a proud member of a rural community I was so very annoyed to hear him state that he was speaking for and representing all of rural Ireland. He is in his hole, the lying malignant piece of sh!t cnut can go fcuk himself, he doesn't speak for me or anyone in my community....

liam7831

I think their a great bunch of lads #healyraeforpresident

doolox

The Healey Raes are TD's. representatives of what is going on in rural Ireland in remote locations to this day. Most representatives like to put it out the drink driving does not happen in rural areas and that most people driving around at 2 in the morning are cold stone sober when in fact the truth is that many people in remote rural areas are driving around with at least 2-3 pints in their system with very little chance of being caught.

A lot of virtue signalling is going on with most rural TD's who are too scared of urban opinion to speak up and admit that many of their rural constituents have a few pints and drive home on a regular basis. They now face very stiff penalties and certain disqualification for now doing so. Most remote pubs are gone by now because of the impossibility of doing business in the face of such draconian laws against any form of drink driving.

The safety people won't stop there.

There are already plans afoot to legislate against walking on the public road while drunk, at levels similar to the levels used in DUI laws.

Also laws against the use of bicycles while drunk can mean you can lose your driving licence while using a bicycle under the influence if you are foolish enough to produce your licence as ID, use something else to establish ID.

Once the safety people get started they will not stop until a curfew is practically imposed on all entertainment taking place outside a persons house.
lacking public transport or taxis many rural areas will become no go zones with people prohibited from walking, cycling or driving home.

For whatever ulterior reason the Healey Raes are at least honestly representing the concerns of at least some of their voting supporters something many TD's from other rural areas of the country are silent about for fear of arising the ire of the safety lobby.

I wonder will the Irish State have to revisit this issue in the future when a flood of licences are taken off people and jobs lost in the very same rural areas from lack of alternative transport to the private car? Opting for immediate disqualification on a first offence is too strict in my opinion.

Mark Horgan

Did Danny Healy Rae have third level education?

irishgrover

doolox wrote:

The Healey Raes are TD's. representatives of what is going on in rural Ireland in remote locations to this day. Most representatives like to put it out the drink driving does not happen in rural areas and that most people driving around at 2 in the morning are cold stone sober when in fact the truth is that many people in remote rural areas are driving around with at least 2-3 pints in their system with very little chance of being caught.

So my problem with your well articulated piece is that I personally genuinely don't give a **** about these people....... Those who can't seem to exist on any social setting without having 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 pints....I don't care because I use the same roads at the same time and people I care about may also be using these roads either in cars or as pedestrians...so fcuk them.....don't drink and drive, it's a really simple concept.... Yes it's a pain in the ass, but so are a lot of other things

Gwynplaine

Gombeens, absolute gobshıts.

Try_harder

doolox wrote: »

The Healey Raes are TD's. representatives of what is going on in rural Ireland in remote locations to this day. Most representatives like to put it out the drink driving does not happen in rural areas and that most people driving around at 2 in the morning are cold stone sober when in fact the truth is that many people in remote rural areas are driving around with at least 2-3 pints in their system with very little chance of being caught.

A lot of virtue signalling is going on with most rural TD's who are too scared of urban opinion to speak up and admit that many of their rural constituents have a few pints and drive home on a regular basis. They now face very stiff penalties and certain disqualification for now doing so. Most remote pubs are gone by now because of the impossibility of doing business in the face of such draconian laws against any form of drink driving.

The safety people won't stop there.

There are already plans afoot to legislate against walking on the public road while drunk, at levels similar to the levels used in DUI laws.

Also laws against the use of bicycles while drunk can mean you can lose your driving licence while using a bicycle under the influence if you are foolish enough to produce your licence as ID, use something else to establish ID.

Once the safety people get started they will not stop until a curfew is practically imposed on all entertainment taking place outside a persons house.
lacking public transport or taxis many rural areas will become no go zones with people prohibited from walking, cycling or driving home.

For whatever ulterior reason the Healey Raes are at least honestly representing the concerns of at least some of their voting supporters something many TD's from other rural areas of the country are silent about for fear of arising the ire of the safety lobby.

I wonder will the Irish State have to revisit this issue in the future when a flood of licences are taken off people and jobs lost in the very same rural areas from lack of alternative transport to the private car? Opting for immediate disqualification on a first offence is too strict in my opinion.

How many times should people be caught drink driving before you take their licence off them?

dexter_morgan

Mark Horgan wrote: »

Did Danny Healy Rae have third level education?

Very unlikely. Why do you ask that?

suicide_circus

Theyre great lads for tapping into, magnifying and capitalising on the chip on the shoulder some country people may have

Graces7

doolox wrote: »

The Healey Raes are TD's. representatives of what is going on in rural Ireland in remote locations to this day. Most representatives like to put it out the drink driving does not happen in rural areas and that most people driving around at 2 in the morning are cold stone sober when in fact the truth is that many people in remote rural areas are driving around with at least 2-3 pints in their system with very little chance of being caught.

A lot of virtue signalling is going on with most rural TD's who are too scared of urban opinion to speak up and admit that many of their rural constituents have a few pints and drive home on a regular basis. They now face very stiff penalties and certain disqualification for now doing so. Most remote pubs are gone by now because of the impossibility of doing business in the face of such draconian laws against any form of drink driving.

The safety people won't stop there.

There are already plans afoot to legislate against walking on the public road while drunk, at levels similar to the levels used in DUI laws.

Also laws against the use of bicycles while drunk can mean you can lose your driving licence while using a bicycle under the influence if you are foolish enough to produce your licence as ID, use something else to establish ID.

Once the safety people get started they will not stop until a curfew is practically imposed on all entertainment taking place outside a persons house.
lacking public transport or taxis many rural areas will become no go zones with people prohibited from walking, cycling or driving home.

For whatever ulterior reason the Healey Raes are at least honestly representing the concerns of at least some of their voting supporters something many TD's from other rural areas of the country are silent about for fear of arising the ire of the safety lobby.

I wonder will the Irish State have to revisit this issue in the future when a flood of licences are taken off people and jobs lost in the very same rural areas from lack of alternative transport to the private car? Opting for immediate disqualification on a first offence is too strict in my opinion.

So you are saying that losing /risking lives is acceptable? As long as folk have jobs?

Hyperbole much!

Chaos Tourist

Smash Gombeenism!

We have nothing to lose but our sanity!

The Rape of Lucretia

I wouldnt get too het up about the Healy Raes. They are just a handful. Its the thousands of Kerry people that keep electing them that are the real villains of this piece. When is wrong with them down there ?

Littlehorny

Why don't the Healy Rae's spend a few bob (and they have plenty of it) and put on a mini bus for people to and from their pub?
Also, they state that the pub is the central hub for lonely people to get some social interaction and that is good, but if it's about getting together in the evening then the drink driving laws shouldn't be an issue at all. There is nothing stopping these people going to the Healy Rae's pub and having a few minerals if thats the case.

Water John

What's the full story on the TD who was attacked by a cow? Heard he was under the influence. I would also like to know, in detail, the various ways he got to hospital. I heard the guards took him the latter part of the journey.

Graces7

Littlehorny wrote: »

What makes their argument so weak is apart from the fact Danny owns a pub. As someone from a rural area myself I have never seen a man enter a pub have one pint and then drive home. The Healy Rae's are still of that extinct way of thinking that it's ok to skull 6 pints and get in the car as "sure I know the way home, haven't I been driving it for years."

When I left Kerry, I started the long drive at midnight. Hate city driving and Limerick and Galway ahead..

Stopped off the the pub , just after midnight, weekday, to give the keys etc in as they also have the Post office..

The place was packed and so was the car park .. the fumes kind of hit you..