Tenet (Christopher Nolan) spoilers from post 475

pixelburp · 30-05-2020 1:30pm

peteeeed wrote: »

Christopher Nolan Bought a Real 747 for Tenet Just to Crash It

https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/05/christopher-nolan-747-crash-tenet/

That alone speaks volumes to the clout Nolan possesses at the moment.

His scripts can be a bit ropey, but there's no mistaking the visceral physicality of the staging of his set pieces. True, old school "how did they do that?" Hollywood magic.

Arrival · 30-05-2020 6:07pm

pixelburp wrote: »

That alone speaks volumes to the clout Nolan possesses at the moment.

His scripts can be a bit ropey, but there's no mistaking the visceral physicality of the staging of his set pieces. True, old school "how did they do that?" Hollywood magic.

The hotel hall fighting scene in Inception was unbelievable, couldn't wrap my head around how it was filmed because it seemed so real to be lots of CGI and obviously doubted they built some kind of huge spinning hallway because you'd think that's be ridiculous, but then you see the behind the scenes and that's exactly what they did

Wish more directors would take this kind of approach, not only is it better on screen than CGI but it also creates cool jobs for people and helps them get inventive. With the budgets of Hollywood films, creative people could do incredible over the years, so these days it'd be even better

IrishJedi75 · 30-05-2020 8:23pm

Mr.S wrote: »

Social Distancing in Cinemas will probably improve the experience, if anything!

Will mean less money for the movies box office takings though.A film that would have grossed a billion dollars six months ago will be lucky to make half that amount now.

peteeeed · 31-05-2020 2:46pm

How much will a ticket be is the question

Daveno · 02-06-2020 3:15pm

Looking great- 2nd trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyVleIwYIbg

Snake Plisken · 02-06-2020 3:42pm

Watched Inception at the weekend hard to believe it's 10 years old and I'm still not sure after multiple viewings if it's not all a dress

From what I've read TeneT will be just as head wrecking and I expect to still have many questions after I see it the first time. I can we'll see this being delayed well into the Autumn, with Covid19 and the unrest in the US can't see it screening next month

sheepsh4gger · 02-06-2020 3:50pm

Snake Plisken wrote: »

No details just it will be an Event Movie. No details yet but that's something to look forward to in 2020 :-)
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1088943470750900224?s=19

How is that going to work? Can you eat popcorn in a hazmat suit?

I bet the guys serving popcorn will get infected with rona and sue their employers. There was a story on CNBC about AMC Theaters being on verge of collapse and Amazon eyeing them. One would think the last thing they want is to get in this crap situation.

peteeeed · 07-06-2020 6:12pm

Cinemas here reopening July 20th

pixelburp · 07-06-2020 6:28pm

peteeeed wrote: »

Cinemas here reopening July 20th

Perhaps, but there's no way I'm going into one anytime soon. Not until any risk of a second wave is been and gone.

IrishJedi75 · 07-06-2020 9:33pm

There is some speculation online that Tenet takes place in the same universe as Inception.When you look at the trailers for both movies,they are very similar in a way.

08-06-2020 12:02am

Tenet "reportedly" to be delayed - new date not known as of yet

https://screenrant.com/tenet-movie-release-date-delayed-rumors/

homerun_homer · 08-06-2020 1:30pm

IrishJedi75 wrote: »

Will mean less money for the movies box office takings though.A film that would have grossed a billion dollars six months ago will be lucky to make half that amount now.

Given they are the only film trying to stick to the original release date, and be ready for when cinemas open then they will have more screens dedicated to them so more people will still be able to see it. They'll have a near monopoly for being the newest film on release vs whatever cinemas decide to show that have since been on VOD after missing their cinema release window.

Mr Crispy · 13-06-2020 1:11am

Pushed back to July 31 - /Film

B.A._Baracus · 14-06-2020 1:58am

I wonder what Christopher Nolan's "money shot" scene so to speak will be in this . He has a habit of showing it off in trailers. You know like:

- The Dark Knight ... The 18 wheeler flipping. No CGI. Done for real.
- Inception ... The rotating hall way.
- The Dark Knight Rises ... The bit at the start with bane and the upside down plane was done for real.
- Dunkirk ... pretty much most of that movie was done in-camera.

smurf492 · 14-06-2020 4:21am

B.A._Baracus wrote:

- The Dark Knight ... The 18 wheeler flipping. No CGI. Done for real. - Inception ... The rotating hall way. - The Dark Knight Rises ... The bit at the start with bane and the upside down plane was done for real. - Dunkirk ... pretty much most of that movie was done in-camera.

B.A._Baracus wrote:

I wonder what Christopher Nolan's "money shot" scene so to speak will be in this . He has a habit of showing it off in trailers. You know like:

Who cares...
Are his films that good?.. I'm a batman fan and love what he did with batman begins, dark Knight needed to lose the last few minutes with two face, joker was enough and rises was sh%t. Dunkirk was OK, inception was meh.

I get that he is an advocate of film but think he is massively overrated..

Electric Nitwit · 14-06-2020 7:35am

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I wonder what Christopher Nolan's "money shot" scene so to speak will be in this . He has a habit of showing it off in trailers. You know like:

- The Dark Knight ... The 18 wheeler flipping. No CGI. Done for real.
- Inception ... The rotating hall way.
- The Dark Knight Rises ... The bit at the start with bane and the upside down plane was done for real.
- Dunkirk ... pretty much most of that movie was done in-camera.

Well we know he bought a plane!

Alfred Borden · 14-06-2020 11:13am

smurf492 wrote: »

Who cares...
Are his films that good?.. I'm a batman fan and love what he did with batman begins, dark Knight needed to lose the last few minutes with two face, joker was enough and rises was sh%t. Dunkirk was OK, inception was meh.

I get that he is an advocate of film but think he is massively overrated..

Probably missing his two best films in Memento and the Prestige there.

14-06-2020 11:18am

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Probably missing his two best films in Memento and the Prestige there.

Interstellar and The Prestige would be my own favourites.

I watched Inception yesterday, my latest attempt at warming to it. Nope, it just leaves me a bit cold and I actually find it to be a bit of a chore. Probably Nolan's most 'tell' film, where too many of the scenes are laden with exposition. I fully understand and 'get it' btw, I just don't really like it.

Sad Professor · 14-06-2020 11:18am

Inception is getting a theatrical re-release in the US for its 10th anniversary (!!) on 17th July. It will include a sneak peak at Tenet.

I assume UK/Ireland may get it too, though our cinemas aren't due to re-open until the 20th.

pixelburp · 14-06-2020 12:19pm

Electric Nitwit wrote: »

Well we know he bought a plane!

Yeah, I imagine that's the big set piece. We even see it in the trailers. That's some clout to blag your way to a 747 for the purposes of crashing into a hanger.

adox · 14-06-2020 12:32pm

Looking forward to this. I’m a fan of Nolans.

I really enjoyed Inception. A real cinema experience. I rarely go to the cinema anymore but I did see Inception on the big screen and it really was made for it. A visual and aural experience.
Momento is fantastic. I only watched it once. I enjoyed it so much and with the nature of the subject matter,I didn’t want to watch it again and try start picking the film apart for plot holes.

From the clips it does have an Inception “feel” about it but will wait and see.

alchemist33 · 14-06-2020 12:36pm

Whatever happens, I hope this isn't released until we can see it in all its glory in the cinema. Seeing all the mentions of Nolan's previous films above is only whetting my appetite. There are some masterpieces there.

mikhail · 14-06-2020 7:30pm

smurf492 wrote: »

Who cares...
Are his films that good?.. I'm a batman fan and love what he did with batman begins, dark Knight needed to lose the last few minutes with two face, joker was enough and rises was sh%t. Dunkirk was OK, inception was meh.

I get that he is an advocate of film but think he is massively overrated..

It pisses me off that "I think X is overrated" has become internet shorthand for "I don't like X, but couldn't be bothered making a coherent argument about its shortcomings, so instead I'm going to demand that you defend it from my nebulous disapproval."

flasher0030 · 17-06-2020 12:26pm

mikhail wrote: »

It pisses me off that "I think X is overrated" has become internet shorthand for "I don't like X, but couldn't be bothered making a coherent argument about its shortcomings, so instead I'm going to demand that you defend it from my nebulous disapproval."

Completely agree. People will whinge for the sake of it. Take the following list

Inception - masterpiece
Intersteller - Masterpiece
Memento - masterpiece
Prestige - very good, I wasn't too gone on the cloning notion
The Batman films - massively entertaining
Insomnia - saw it years ago, and enjoyed it immensely.

That's some portfolio. How can anyone seriously put an overrated label on that? To come up with the concepts that are produced in some of those films is genius to me. The only film that has an ending that got to me as much as did for the first 3 films above is when I saw the sixth sense in the cinema. Blew me away how someone could even come up with that idea. Same for inception, intersteller and memento.

Homelander · 17-06-2020 12:30pm

I do agree that Interstellar and The Dark Knight were masterpieces. Inception was very good. I was somewhat disappointed with DKR and Dunkirk. In his defense, I would argue that even his "worst" or, being more fair, weakest, films, are at least solidly entertaining.

Really looking forward to Tenet.

peteeeed · 17-06-2020 1:23pm

i feel like i have to post this just to get it out every so often ..... Christopher Nolan is a genius ...... and relax

Arrival · 17-06-2020 1:54pm

Jonathan Nolan seems to be forgotten about a lot of the time when it comes to praising Christopher's best films, he's played a huge role in pretty much Christopher's best films. Even with Interstellar, as far as I remember it was Jonathan who wrote pretty much the whole thing alongside Kip Thorne advising on the science, and then Christopher went over it all with them to polish it off

pixelburp · 17-06-2020 2:20pm

I'd argue that it's within the margins legitimate discussion can be made about Nolan's relative skills: that while his CV shows a clear cinematic and epic vision, Nolan's biggest blindspot can be said to be around his films' emotions. Or lack thereof.

Of all his work, my favourite by far remains The Prestige, and thinking on it feels like the one film that felt properly alive & vital. A story of obsession and jealousy threaded within the mechanism of Nolan's usual cinematic eccentricity; that emotional intensity jumped off its characters & story giving it a pulse. The rest of Nolans features however, while spectacular, beautiful and often intellectually substantive, can feel very hollow or cold. Sometimes bordering on mechanical.

Dunkirk is the perfect example of the above: as a purely intellectual exercise the film was a fantastic twist of structure, and - as is standard - a bloody gorgeous feature to boot. But it was dead inside, I didn't care about the "characters" beyond the immediacy of the peril. Even Interstellar, a film that arguably tried to suggest Love was the most powerful force in the universe, had that emptiness because the sentiment came felt declarative, rather than raw.

Ipso · 17-06-2020 4:53pm

Arrival wrote: »

Jonathan Nolan seems to be forgotten about a lot of the time when it comes to praising Christopher's best films, he's played a huge role in pretty much Christopher's best films. Even with Interstellar, as far as I remember it was Jonathan who wrote pretty much the whole thing alongside Kip Thorne advising on the science, and then Christopher went over it all with them to polish it off

Wasn’t it attached to Spielberg for a short time?

flasher0030 · 17-06-2020 5:24pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I'd argue that it's within the margins legitimate discussion can be made about Nolan's relative skills: that while his CV shows a clear cinematic and epic vision, Nolan's biggest blindspot can be said to be around his films' emotions. Or lack thereof.

Of all his work, my favourite by far remains The Prestige, and thinking on it feels like the one film that felt properly alive & vital. A story of obsession and jealousy threaded within the mechanism of Nolan's usual cinematic eccentricity; that emotional intensity jumped off its characters & story giving it a pulse. The rest of Nolans features however, while spectacular, beautiful and often intellectually substantive, can feel very hollow or cold. Sometimes bordering on mechanical.

Dunkirk is the perfect example of the above: as a purely intellectual exercise the film was a fantastic twist of structure, and - as is standard - a bloody gorgeous feature to boot. But it was dead inside, I didn't care about the "characters" beyond the immediacy of the peril. Even Interstellar, a film that arguably tried to suggest Love was the most powerful force in the universe, had that emptiness because the sentiment came felt declarative, rather than raw.

Ok. Maybe I'm a little shallower. But I just want to be entertained by thought-provoking films. Films with a little bit of complexity thrown in. And after I watched most of Nolan's features, it thought Wow, that was amazing. And it's not that I need to let on that I'm a highly intellectual being. I watched Donnie Darko and hadn't a clue what was going on until I actual read the theme on it on the Net afterwards.
Haven't watched Dunkirk though. Not that interested in war movies.

Looking forward to Tenet.

peteeeed · 26-06-2020 9:56am

due to the spike in the US its been delayed till august 12th

Snake Plisken · 26-06-2020 12:11pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I'd argue that it's within the margins legitimate discussion can be made about Nolan's relative skills: that while his CV shows a clear cinematic and epic vision, Nolan's biggest blindspot can be said to be around his films' emotions. Or lack thereof.

Of all his work, my favourite by far remains The Prestige, and thinking on it feels like the one film that felt properly alive & vital. A story of obsession and jealousy threaded within the mechanism of Nolan's usual cinematic eccentricity; that emotional intensity jumped off its characters & story giving it a pulse. The rest of Nolans features however, while spectacular, beautiful and often intellectually substantive, can feel very hollow or cold. Sometimes bordering on mechanical.

Dunkirk is the perfect example of the above: as a purely intellectual exercise the film was a fantastic twist of structure, and - as is standard - a bloody gorgeous feature to boot. But it was dead inside, I didn't care about the "characters" beyond the immediacy of the peril. Even Interstellar, a film that arguably tried to suggest Love was the most powerful force in the universe, had that emptiness because the sentiment came felt declarative, rather than raw.

I disagree some of my most emotional movie viewing is from watching Nolan's movies I watched Interstellar and the scenes with young and old Murph still make me teary eyed as do the scenes with Alberts speech at the graveside in The Dark Knight Rises Batman Begins for being so epic brought me tears of joy that someone had finally made a Batman/Superhero movie we all wanted and some great emotional scenes between Cobb and his Mrs and their Kids same with The Prestige, but Dunkirk Memento and Insomnia less. It's usually the parent child relationships in his movies that he focuses his emotional gut punches around IMHO.

Theboinkmaster · 26-06-2020 4:08pm

peteeeed wrote: »

due to the spike in the US its been delayed till august 12th

They’ll need a lot more than a few weeks to fix cv19 in the US...

p to the e · 26-06-2020 5:14pm

peteeeed wrote: »

due to the spike in the US its been delayed till august 12th

What year?

MfMan · 26-06-2020 10:00pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I'd argue that it's within the margins legitimate discussion can be made about Nolan's relative skills: that while his CV shows a clear cinematic and epic vision, Nolan's biggest blindspot can be said to be around his films' emotions. Or lack thereof.

Of all his work, my favourite by far remains The Prestige, and thinking on it feels like the one film that felt properly alive & vital. A story of obsession and jealousy threaded within the mechanism of Nolan's usual cinematic eccentricity; that emotional intensity jumped off its characters & story giving it a pulse. The rest of Nolans features however, while spectacular, beautiful and often intellectually substantive, can feel very hollow or cold. Sometimes bordering on mechanical.

Dunkirk is the perfect example of the above: as a purely intellectual exercise the film was a fantastic twist of structure, and - as is standard - a bloody gorgeous feature to boot. But it was dead inside, I didn't care about the "characters" beyond the immediacy of the peril. Even Interstellar, a film that arguably tried to suggest Love was the most powerful force in the universe, had that emptiness because the sentiment came felt declarative, rather than raw.

Agree substantially with this. Nolan spends so much time making technically excellent movies that he forgets for the most part the human/emotional element. A Scorcese with added special effects if you will. I couldn't follow Interstellar much however due to it's main star's unwillingness to deliver his lines in anything like a comprehensible fashion.

Having just watched the Tenet trailer with it's whole time/inversion thingamajig I just hope it's not going to be as exceedingly silly as Inception.

expectationlost · 27-06-2020 3:49pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I'd argue that it's within the margins legitimate discussion can be made about Nolan's relative skills: that while his CV shows a clear cinematic and epic vision, Nolan's biggest blindspot can be said to be around his films' emotions. Or lack thereof.

lack of emotions? but but love found a way in Interstellar :P

Sad Professor · 27-06-2020 4:32pm

It's something that he has to work hard at but I wouldn't say Nolan's films lack emotion. I would say that the emotions in his films all tend to be based on overly familiar and repeated themes - dead wives being the big one, though he has tried to move away from that in recent years. Dunkirk with its ensemble of unknown and character actors also revealed that he relies a lot on his A-list movie stars to push him to develop his films's emotional elements.

Nolan is over-due a critical bashing. Maybe Tenet will be it. All auteurs basically make the same film over and over again and once critics start to predict what they are going to do their days of being a critical darling are done. Nolan has avoided this for longer than most due to having grown and developed as a director but one can only grow so much.

flasher0030 · 28-06-2020 11:53am

Sad Professor wrote: »

It's something that he has to work hard at but I wouldn't say Nolan's films lack emotion. I would say that the emotions in his films all tend to be based on overly familiar and repeated themes - dead wives being the big one, though he has tried to move away from that in recent years. Dunkirk with its ensemble of unknown and character actors also revealed that he relies a lot on his A-list movie stars to push him to develop his films's emotional elements.

Nolan is over-due a critical bashing. Maybe Tenet will be it. All auteurs basically make the same film over and over again and once critics start to predict what they are going to do their days of being a critical darling are done. Nolan has avoided this for longer than most due to having grown and developed as a director but one can only grow so much.

Why is he overdue a critical bashing. His last 5 films were:
The Dark Knight
Inception
The Dark Knight Rises
Interstellar
Dunkirk

I haven't seen Dunkirk. But the other 4 are excellent.

peteeeed · 28-06-2020 2:04pm

Dunkirk is great too

johnny_ultimate · 28-06-2020 2:24pm

Interstellar is the film that broke the Nolan spell for me, although honestly I think it was also just at a point when my own tastes had shifted a bit. There’s a lot to admire about Interstellar in terms of its sounds and visuals, but the overwrought storytelling and the messy, unsatisfying editing really lost me. When I revisit his earlier work I can definitely see some of that there too - he definitely brute forces his films to where he wants them to be dramatically or thematically, and sometimes those seams are all too apparent. Long stretches of his films - like much of the third act of TDKR - feel like very, very long montages, and he relies on his music composers to do too much heavy lifting in keeping things together.

I still really like most of his films, mind you. I wish Hollywood had more directors like him, who were given large amounts of many to make unique, idiosyncratic and often high-concept movies. Also admire him for making films that are stubbornly designed for big screen consumption. But I don’t look forward to his films any more in the way I look forward to a new Rian Johnson film (to use a mainstream filmmaker I greatly admire). Even just sticking to blockbusters I’d easily rate Mad Max: Fury Road, Mission Impossible Fallout or Into The Spiderverse above most of the last couple of Nolan films, strong as Dunkirk was. And if I was making a list of my favourite working directors, he’d definitely be a fair bit down the list. Ultimately I think cinema is a better place with Christopher Nolan making the films he’s making, but I just don’t feel that same thrill or anticipation about his upcoming movies as I did five or six years ago.

Still, if nothing else, would definitely rather Tenet is the film that’ll be the first big tent pole release for reopening cinemas, rather than yet another Marvel movie or Disney remake. Just wish we didn’t have to rely on a single director to deliver the big, serious-minded, non-franchise event movies every couple of years.

flasher0030 · 29-06-2020 2:05pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Interstellar is the film that broke the Nolan spell for me, although honestly I think it was also just at a point when my own tastes had shifted a bit. There’s a lot to admire about Interstellar in terms of its sounds and visuals, but the overwrought storytelling and the messy, unsatisfying editing really lost me. When I revisit his earlier work I can definitely see some of that there too - he definitely brute forces his films to where he wants them to be dramatically or thematically, and sometimes those seams are all too apparent. Long stretches of his films - like much of the third act of TDKR - feel like very, very long montages, and he relies on his music composers to do too much heavy lifting in keeping things together.

I still really like most of his films, mind you. I wish Hollywood had more directors like him, who were given large amounts of many to make unique, idiosyncratic and often high-concept movies. Also admire him for making films that are stubbornly designed for big screen consumption. But I don’t look forward to his films any more in the way I look forward to a new Rian Johnson film (to use a mainstream filmmaker I greatly admire). Even just sticking to blockbusters I’d easily rate Mad Max: Fury Road, Mission Impossible Fallout or Into The Spiderverse above most of the last couple of Nolan films, strong as Dunkirk was. And if I was making a list of my favourite working directors, he’d definitely be a fair bit down the list. Ultimately I think cinema is a better place with Christopher Nolan making the films he’s making, but I just don’t feel that same thrill or anticipation about his upcoming movies as I did five or six years ago.

Still, if nothing else, would definitely rather Tenet is the film that’ll be the first big tent pole release for reopening cinemas, rather than yet another Marvel movie or Disney remake. Just wish we didn’t have to rely on a single director to deliver the big, serious-minded, non-franchise event movies every couple of years.

I just got around to watching Mad Max last night. I wasn't largely entertained by it. The action and the setpieces were well done, but the story was just one big chase across a desert-type area for 2 hours. Same thing over and over again. Tom Hardy is a great actor, but in this he just mumbles a couple of lines throughout the whole film. MI Fallout is enjoyable.

peteeeed · 07-07-2020 10:08am

https://www.tenetfilm.com/
an audio experience ?

bnt · 10-07-2020 5:15pm

There's a new interview with Elizabeth Debicki here: she's sworn to secrecy on the plot, but does say that her character is the estranged wife of Kenneth Branagh's character.

While he would never give away anything about the plot (we tried), Nolan will say that he believes Debicki pulled off an incredibly challenging role. “It’s a very difficult character because she has to be extremely vulnerable and put upon, and yet there has to be this strength, this depth, these reserves that come forward,” he allows. “I think that’s very difficult for an actor to pull off without resorting to the unrealistic or resting on the simplistic version of the character arc. She finds a way to play vulnerability and strength at the same time, which is very human and very real.”

For her part, Debicki refuses to confirm or deny fan theories about “Tenet.” She does get a kick out of some of the speculation and hints that ultimately, “people are going to be very, very surprised.”

That kind-of makes her character sound like ones she played before in The Night Manager or Widows.

johnny_ultimate · 20-07-2020 6:57pm

Delayed indefinitely now, although Warner Bros strongly suggesting they won’t be waiting for the US to fully reopen before pushing ahead. Curious to see what form the release ultimately takes.

Fair to say a few Irish multiplexes will be staying closed until this or another big hitter finally shows up - Cineworld in particular. The studios will need to start writing off the prospect of a wide US release soon if they want to keep more cinemas outside that disaster zone afloat when this is all over.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/tenet-delayed-again-christopher-nolan-1234699068/

pixelburp · 20-07-2020 7:17pm

The sensible choice, but on a day when there are only 6 new cases here it highlights both the depths America finds itself in, and perhaps the final erosion of that country's status as world cinemas prime market. International markets had been becoming more and more important. At this rate the US is becoming a liability.

Agent Coulson · 20-07-2020 8:33pm

We are living a Nolan film no need to see one.

Agent Coulson · 20-07-2020 8:35pm

Mr.S wrote: »

Makes sense. I wonder will they cave for a Digital release and then screen sometime in the future?

Could Warner sell it as an exclusive to Netflix, Amazon Prime or Apple TV? I suppose once they go down the road of that its instant 4K pirate copy available.

imo I'd gladly watch it on VOD first and then see it in the cinema.

They have there own HBO Max for streaming they wouldn’t be selling to a rival.

MfMan · 20-07-2020 11:37pm

Maybe it's crap and they're going to can it.

Outkast_IRE · 21-07-2020 8:38am

peteeeed wrote: »

Dunkirk is great too

Dunkirk was excellent on a technical level. I thought it lacked heart, alot of people honestly felt i dont really care about any of these characters.

But i would also say it suffered from his insistence of not utilising CGI for some key scenes to actually demonstrate the scale of the evacuation. The scale never comes across correctly in the movie due to this.

I thought 1917 was far better in most aspects than dunkirk.

Ipso · 21-07-2020 4:42pm

MfMan wrote: »

Maybe it's crap and they're going to can it.

Yeah. They’ll can a movie with a huge budget.

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