Irish labour party - No Alan Kelly bounce

blinding · 28-09-2020 12:58am

TCM wrote: »

Wonderful. Obliteration of the Liebour party hopefully.

Is it Possible to have Minus figures of support

:D::eek:

28-09-2020 10:14am

Edgware wrote: »

The S.F. in Armagh and Tyrone arent really in to this equal distribution of wealth ****e (ask Slab if you doubt me).
And if Cushy told the truth she isn't either

tbf, no one who looks into it believes SF are a left wing party.

I feel sorry for Labour, the country was completely fúcked when they go their chance at running things. Most of the bailout money was used to keep the country functioning (ie paying wages for nurses, Gardaí, teachers etc) but even a decade on you'll get some halfwit saying "they bailed out the banks etc".

Double O Seven · 29-09-2020 3:01am

Aodhán Ó Ríordáin wants to abolish single sex schools, what a silly woke policy

29-09-2020 3:19am

Double O Seven wrote: »

Aodhán Ó Ríordáin wants to abolish single sex schools, what a silly woke policy

How is that a "silly woke policy"?

Double O Seven · 29-09-2020 10:13am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How is that a "silly woke policy"?

Well it's hardly a bread and butter labour policy

super_furry · 29-09-2020 10:23am

blinding wrote: »

Excellent Post. This is the Future.

Really? There's absolutely no signs at all that there's a desire for a socially conservative party in Ireland. Just look at the gay marriage and abortion referenda.

L1011 · 29-09-2020 10:24am

Double O Seven wrote: »

Well it's hardly a bread and butter labour policy

Its been a policy of most non-conservative parties for decades.

golfball37 · 29-09-2020 10:29am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

tbf, no one who looks into it believes SF are a left wing party.

I feel sorry for Labour, the country was completely fúcked when they go their chance at running things. Most of the bailout money was used to keep the country functioning (ie paying wages for nurses, Gardaí, teachers etc) but even a decade on you'll get some halfwit saying "they bailed out the banks etc".

I didn’t have a problem with Labour overseeing cuts post 2011 we were broke. The things within their control however put me off them for life. Not backing Shorthall when she called out Reilly’s stunt was not the new politics promised for starters.

Foxhound38 · 30-09-2020 10:25pm

golfball37 wrote: »

I didn’t have a problem with Labour overseeing cuts post 2011 we were broke. The things within their control however put me off them for life. Not backing Shorthall when she called out Reilly’s stunt was not the new politics promised for starters.

I have to agree there - I find it hard to blame them for a lot of what people drone on about when complaining about them (cuts, mainly - Paul Murphy would have had to make drastic cuts in expenditure had he been in government back in 2011, perish the thought!), but I find it impossible to forgive them for doing or not doing certain things that nobody talks about anymore that WAS within their power at the time.

It is very hard to understand some of the decisions Gilmore and Burton took back then.

Dr golden 2 · 29-11-2020 1:57pm

Still @ 3% in polls. Almost neck and neck with Aontú now.

Richard Hillman · 29-11-2020 2:25pm

I thought their recent campaign for citizenship by birth was a sure fire way to court the white, working class male demographic.

Back to drawing board for them. Maybe tackling Toxic Masculinity or campaigning against more housing is the next step. Surely that will resonate with white working class males.

MontgomeryClift · 29-11-2020 2:30pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I thought their recent campaign for citizenship by birth was a sure fire way to court the white, working class male demographic.

Back to drawing board for them. Maybe tackling Toxic Masculinity or campaigning against more housing is the next step. Surely that will resonate with white working class males.

They could campaign to lower to zero the age at which children can elect to have gender re-assignment.

Eric Cartman · 29-11-2020 3:16pm

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

They could campaign to lower to zero the age at which children can elect to have gender re-assignment.

Or perhaps a tax, a new tax would be very popular.

Id only imagine they have a focus group room, and its a table of 10 people, 2 black women fresh off the boat , isis bride lisa smith, 2 unemployed gender fluid students , 2 middle aged women union reps who work in dunnes 12 hours a week, a party member being paid 50k a year to take notes and a token white man who is only allowed utter the words ‘i agree’ .

Every policy has been perfectly crafted and unanimously approved by this panel, they just cant understand why it wont resonate.

Dyr · 29-11-2020 3:19pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Or perhaps a tax, a new tax would be very popular.

Id only imagine they have a focus group room, and its a table of 10 people, 2 black women fresh off the boat , isis bride lisa smith, 2 unemployed gender fluid students , 2 middle aged women union reps who work in dunnes 12 hours a week, a party member being paid 50k a year to take notes and a token white man who is only allowed utter the words ‘i agree’ .

Every policy has been perfectly crafted and unanimously approved by this panel, they just cant understand why it wont resonate.

You seriously think theres anyone in Labour who works 12 hours in retail?

Eric Cartman · 29-11-2020 3:25pm

Bambi wrote: »

You seriously think theres anyone in Labour who works 12 hours in retail?

Ohh no, the oarty membership itself are firmly a middle class and academic set, this is just their focus group of ‘diverse associates’

Acosta · 29-11-2020 4:15pm

Red Pill Destiny wrote: »

6 TDs, 3% in the polls and they still think they have the right to overturn the will of 80% of the Irish people...who the fuk do these commies think they are?

The Irish labour party are commies? L O L !

golfball37 · 29-11-2020 6:01pm

Kelly has been excellent holding the government to account during the pandemic imo

ooter · 29-11-2020 6:21pm

Wasn't a peep out of him when LV was in hot water over sharing a document.

Danzy · 29-11-2020 6:56pm

Labour have no target demographic now so they are trying to shore up the last bastion of activists it has, those from well heeled middle class liberal Ireland who support it.

Look at Bacik last week, a dog whistle to the Chateauneuf activists.

It will not be enough to resurrect them. That market is being split between SF, The Greens and even Fg, never mind the other smaller parties.

ChikiChiki · 29-11-2020 7:21pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Kelly was a disastrous appointment and has an abysmal track record. He has the optics of someone who is in it for the power, wealth, fame even and all the associated trappings. Kelly is the polar opposite of what Labour values traditionally are.

It never ceases to amaze me how the people/members within the bubble of a political party are as equally out of touch with the general public.

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@Labour members. If you're looking to get above 3%, Alan Kelly is not the man to have as leader.

The definition of stupidity quote is appropriate here. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Maybe Kelly has charm and charisma at the Labour gatherings. I have know doubt he sells a good vision but it will not wash with the general public. Kelly is associated with everything Labour are currently despised for.

SEPT 23 1989 · 29-11-2020 7:25pm

The Irish working class vote has moved to Sinn Fein and unfortunately they don't read the fine print before they vote that will ultimately see their own destruction

All left wing parties want to keep you down

Wallowing in victimhood that they don't want you to escape from

James Brown · 29-11-2020 7:31pm

I'd no time for kelly and thought he was an awful choice but he is doing well at pointing out the current cronyism.

jd1983 · 29-11-2020 7:32pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

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@Labour members. If you're looking to get above 3%, Alan Kelly is not the man to have as leader.

The definition of stupidity quote is appropriate here. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Maybe Kelly has charm and charisma at the Labour gatherings. I have know doubt he sells a good vision but it will not wash with the general public. Kelly is associated with everything Labour are currently despised for.

I can't see anyone leading them improving their chances. I reckon members should join the soc dems if they want to be with a party polling higher than 3%.
At this rate they won't even get much transfers from fg, they'll be going to ff.

Danzy · 29-11-2020 8:25pm

Labour are beyond saving because the gap in the market is filled and over filled at that, as SF continue to become dominated by Middle class sticks, they'll lose votes but it will not go to Labour.

jmcc · 29-11-2020 11:58pm

Dr golden 2 wrote: »

Still @ 3% in polls. Almost neck and neck with Aontú now.

Anontu with 1 TD on the same % in the polls as Labour with 6. I think that Kelly referred to himself as AK47 some time ago. It is clear he's just Squirt Gun Kelly and people still remember his Water Tax efforts.

Regards...jmcc

Richard Hillman · 30-11-2020 10:55am

Would it be a push to say that if you were to gauge the average wage of political party support, that Labour would probably be the highest?

Some would say FG but FGs support can be broad, especially rural. Labour are the party of career academics, high level NGO workers, RTE staff, and some older High level Union workers. People who are so set in life that they need to invent life problems because normal people problems don't apply to them.

I would like to see a poll done the next time to see what's the average earnings of the partys support.

garrettod · 30-11-2020 11:06am

Open the Pubs wrote: »

.... At least Kelly is better than Aodhan O'Riordain though.

Why, if you don't mind me asking?

I've seen a few similar comments, but no one has said why, so I would love to know.

Dr golden 2 · 30-11-2020 11:19am

garrettod wrote: »

Why, if you don't mind me asking?

I've seen a few similar comments, but no one has said why, so I would love to know.

Aodhan is lightyears out of touch with the average working person, one of his biggest goals is to phaseout single sex schools, not exactly a bread and butter issue for working families is it?

garrettod · 30-11-2020 3:19pm

Dr golden 2 wrote: »

Aodhan is lightyears out of touch with the average working person, one of his biggest goals is to phaseout single sex schools, not exactly a bread and butter issue for working families is it?

Hi,

Thanks for the reply.

His focus is clearly on education these days, maybe that's his remit?

With very few deputies, they can't pick and win many battles, so maybe the strategy is to focus on a few topics with key social benefits - housing, health, education and finance perhaps?

I can't say that this is showing me why Alan Kelly is any better tbh - we've seen him back a few lemons too.

Faugheen · 30-11-2020 3:53pm

I personally think Alan Kelly has been far and away the best opposition leader of this Dail.

Mary Lou has been crap. Usual guff and shouting from the sidelines. At least Kelly and Labour as a whole use their actual experience in government to rebuke the current government.

WrenBoy · 30-11-2020 6:58pm

"Frankfurts way or Labours Way!" Remember that ?
HAHAHAHAHAHA ! That was a good prank that aul rascal Gilmore pulled on us.

jmcc · 30-11-2020 7:47pm

WrenBoy wrote: »

"Frankfurts way or Labours Way!" Remember that ?
HAHAHAHAHAHA ! That was a good prank that aul rascal Gilmore pulled on us.

Don't forget "Gilmore For Taoiseach" printed on mugs (ceramic rather than Labour voters).

Regards...jmcc

Mad_maxx · 30-11-2020 7:49pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Would it be a push to say that if you were to gauge the average wage of political party support, that Labour would probably be the highest?

Some would say FG but FGs support can be broad, especially rural. Labour are the party of career academics, high level NGO workers, RTE staff, and some older High level Union workers. People who are so set in life that they need to invent life problems because normal people problems don't apply to them.

I would like to see a poll done the next time to see what's the average earnings of the partys support.

pretty sure the Green party come out highest , Labour would be high though

Augme · 30-11-2020 7:57pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Would it be a push to say that if you were to gauge the average wage of political party support, that Labour would probably be the highest?

Some would say FG but FGs support can be broad, especially rural. Labour are the party of career academics, high level NGO workers, RTE staff, and some older High level Union workers. People who are so set in life that they need to invent life problems because normal people problems don't apply to them.

I would like to see a poll done the next time to see what's the average earnings of the partys support.

It would be a massive push. The rural FG voters are swimming in €€€€ from EU grants. I don't think fine gael vote is very broad, basically upper class old people, upper class middle aged people and then upper class young people and then a small proportion of hangers on.

Geuze · 30-11-2020 8:01pm

Augme wrote: »

I don't think fine gael vote is very broad, basically upper class old people, upper class middle aged people and then upper class young people and then a small proportion of hangers on.

I am working class, and I am sympathetic to FG, although I would not always vote for them.

By working-class, I mean that I am a worker.

30-11-2020 8:31pm

Augme wrote: »

It would be a massive push. The rural FG voters are swimming in €€€€ from EU grants. I don't think fine gael vote is very broad, basically upper class old people, upper class middle aged people and then upper class young people and then a small proportion of hangers on.

Can you define "upper class"? Any FG voters I know are firmly middle-class (i.e., people who have to work to pay the mortgage though they could probably retire into a smaller house if they wanted to etc).

30-11-2020 8:49pm

Upper class is someone with a job?

Danzy · 30-11-2020 9:29pm

Augme wrote: »

It would be a massive push. The rural FG voters are swimming in €€€€ from EU grants. I don't think fine gael vote is very broad, basically upper class old people, upper class middle aged people and then upper class young people and then a small proportion of hangers on.

No fan of FG but this post is so far out it's incredible.

Do you have any interest or experience of Irish politics.

Bonniedog · 30-11-2020 9:48pm

Dr golden 2 wrote: »

Aodhan is lightyears out of touch with the average working person, one of his biggest goals is to phaseout single sex schools, not exactly a bread and butter issue for working families is it?

Ó Riordáin is a chancer. Not well remembered by inner city sports clubs who he promised funding for before he forgot all about them when he moved constituency.

Kelly is not the worst in fairness - not that i would choose voting for Labour above the eating of my own extremities - but it is lost cause. Their traditional constituency of professional care bears is now open season for all parties espousing liberalism and bunging the NGOs and legals large amounts of our cash.

Mad_maxx · 30-11-2020 9:56pm

Augme wrote: »

It would be a massive push. The rural FG voters are swimming in €€€€ from EU grants. I don't think fine gael vote is very broad, basically upper class old people, upper class middle aged people and then upper class young people and then a small proportion of hangers on.

nonsense , the FG vote is very broad

Augme · 30-11-2020 10:00pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can you define "upper class"? Any FG voters I know are firmly middle-class (i.e., people who have to work to pay the mortgage though they could probably retire into a smaller house if they wanted to etc).

I'd say people who have a house bigger than what they need would be doing very well personally. Certainly at the top end of middle class verging into the bottom end of upper class. Upper middle class we can call them.

Bonniedog · 30-11-2020 10:04pm

Augme wrote: »

I'd say people who have a house bigger than what they need would be doing very well personally. Certainly at the top end of middle class verging into the bottom end of upper class. Upper middle class we can call them.

:eek:

There's three of us living in a 3 bed terraced house. We could probably take in a homeless person or a refugee from Hackney

But, selfish "middle class ba5tards" that we are, we probably won't!

30-11-2020 10:05pm

Augme wrote: »

I'd say people who have a house bigger than what they need would be doing very well personally. Certainly at the top end of middle class verging into the bottom end of upper class. Upper middle class we can call them.

Loads of people hoarding family homes after the kids have left alright. Bizarrely we have left wing parties in Ireland who refuse to tax property.

Not sure having a family who have left the family home really makes a person upper middle-class.

Augme · 30-11-2020 10:09pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Loads of people hoarding family homes after the kids have left alright. Bizarrely we have left wing parties in Ireland who refuse to tax property.

Not sure having a family who have left the family home really makes a person upper middle-class.

I'd say owning a very significant asset while having very little to pay on wouldn't be far off either though. But it is to split hairs over exactly what the definition would be.

Certainly Fine Gael supporters would not be from a "very broad" base. Hence the reason they have never really been that successful as a party.

Mad_maxx · 30-11-2020 10:34pm

Augme wrote: »

I'd say owning a very significant asset while having very little to pay on wouldn't be far off either though. But it is to split hairs over exactly what the definition would be.

Certainly Fine Gael supporters would not be from a "very broad" base. Hence the reason they have never really been that successful as a party.

there the second most successful party in the states history

Geuze · 01-12-2020 12:18am

Augme wrote: »

Certainly Fine Gael supporters would not be from a "very broad" base. Hence the reason they have never really been that successful as a party.

JeffKenna · 01-12-2020 1:06am

Augme wrote: »

I'd say owning a very significant asset while having very little to pay on wouldn't be far off either though. But it is to split hairs over exactly what the definition would be.

Certainly Fine Gael supporters would not be from a "very broad" base. Hence the reason they have never really been that successful as a party.

How old are you?

Eric Cartman · 01-12-2020 1:54am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

nonsense , the FG vote is very broad

+1, jaysus if FG could get away with only needing the ‘upper class’ / rich etc.. they’d be the party that leo championed 10 years ago,

Tax cuts, welfare cheats being clamped down on, USC abolished, the sensible hard economic decisions we were promised.

Their delivery proves thats such an unimportant section of society that their only purpose is to pay the taxes for the benefits of only the lower classes. ‘Upper class’ and ‘upper middle class’ people have literally been bet senseless with baseball bats since the recession kicked in and no sign of the beatings slowing down any time soon. Irish politics has firmly moved to appealing to the gimme gimme gimme welfare class, the pessimistic student and worker who see no light at the end of the career tunnel and the lower middle classes who can be bought off by getting mere crumbs of the tax they pay back in ‘services’ and ‘payments’

Ireland as a country perpetually rides roughshod over the people who always paid to keep the lights on here, and can continue to do so because the irish psyche still considers money a filthy possession, those that earn it must reside quietly in a corner and be happy to be vilified for their success.

Irish labour party - No Alan Kelly bounce

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