The Jimbo Slice memorial thread, feat Nate Dogg - The new Off Topic thread

Will_I_Regret · 13-05-2021 11:01pm

Anyone guess will there be an abundance of cheap dumbbells for sale when gyms open up again?

Alf Veedersane · 13-05-2021 11:14pm

Will_I_Regret wrote: »

Anyone guess will there be an abundance of cheap dumbbells for sale when gyms open up again?

For the most part, the ones being sold cheaply will be the ones that were cheap to buy, ie shíte ones

Mellor · 15-05-2021 2:17pm

Mellor wrote: »

Started a new program last week. Which called for deadlift on friday, and squats yesterday (sunday).
First time deadlifting or squatting since end of March 2019. Due to knee injury and subsequent surgery.
I did train legs, but mostly machine/rehab stuff.

Week 1 of program is 5 sets of 10 @60%. Full of regret doms right now.

Wrapped this up the other week.
Started off 90% as a training max. Ended up hitting true max for a 3-4 reps across all lifts.
Pretty happy with that as I condensed 4 days into 2 per week.

I suspect if lifting was main focus and I split into 4 days (1 per lift) progress could have been better.

Not sure whether to run it again. Or maybe try to program some body weight/cardio/grip training that I’ve neglected. .

el Fenomeno · 16-05-2021 12:29pm

Anyone else here use Bulk regularly? I'm finding their stock availability has gone really, really bad. I order the same 4 products from the for a number of years now and have never had any trouble getting any of them. All of them now have various stock issues - 2 of them OOS stock completely, regardless of size or flavour. The other has only the biggest bag available and the other only has one flavour left. I spot checked a few other things I wouldn't normally buy and appears to be stock holes all over the shop.

Alf Veedersane · 16-05-2021 12:41pm

I've had no issues with Bulk anyway

Dtp1979 · 16-05-2021 12:48pm

Mellor wrote: »

Wrapped this up the other week.
Started off 90% as a training max. Ended up hitting true max for a 3-4 reps across all lifts.
Pretty happy with that as I condensed 4 days into 2 per week.

I suspect if lifting was main focus and I split into 4 days (1 per lift) progress could have been better.

Not sure whether to run it again. Or maybe try to program some body weight/cardio/grip training that I’ve neglected. .

That’s great progress. What plan was it?

Mellor · 16-05-2021 2:20pm

Dtp1979 wrote: »

That’s great progress. What plan was it?

It was The Juggernaut method.
It's supposed to be 4 days, each day focused on a main lift plus specific assistance. But I merged to be two days, two lifts and two assistance per day.

First time really pushing squats and deadlifts after knee surgery in 2019. So a bit to go to regain all time PRs there. But I think final bench set was a 4 rep PR.
will definitely run it again. But I think I'll run some hybrid style for 8 week before then.

paw patrol · 16-05-2021 5:39pm

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Anyone else here use Bulk regularly? I'm finding their stock availability has gone really, really bad. I order the same 4 products from the for a number of years now and have never had any trouble getting any of them. All of them now have various stock issues - 2 of them OOS stock completely, regardless of size or flavour. The other has only the biggest bag available and the other only has one flavour left. I spot checked a few other things I wouldn't normally buy and appears to be stock holes all over the shop.

I've used bulk for year maybe even over a decade.
In the last year they have gone to the dogs - flavours out of stock and poor delivery.

I haven't switched yet but if I found a few protein flavours I liked I'll be moving.

Mellor · 17-05-2021 3:40am

Mellor wrote: »

...But I think I'll run some hybrid style for 8 week before then.

Had a play with this hybrid. Want to bias OHP and shoulder work. Will either suprcharge my shoulders - or just my shoulder issues

Day 1
Bench 3x5,
Row 3x5,
Pull-up 3x5,
Trap Bar 3x5 (:eek: controversially merging Squat and DL in a single exercise)

Day 2
Press 3-5x5
Grip (pinching, hanging)
Kettlebell Press 3 x 6
S&S*/Cardio (alternating)

2 non lifting days - Warm-up/Shoulder prep

Mace 360 swings
Kettlebell Overhead Carry

*S&S = Simple and Sinister
10x10 KB Swings, Followed by 5x2 Turkish Get Ups. Each set on the minute.

paw patrol · 17-05-2021 11:11am

anybody recommend a good websites in similar(ish) fashion to t-nation.
I do like elitefts so I have that.

I used to like t-nation but i guess over the year the writers left to better things and I just haven't the same affinity with the current crop.
Its not them it's me. :pac:

anything weights based - bodybuilding/powerlifting/strongman type thing. bar olympic - great to look at but I'm not learning them.

Black Sheep · 17-05-2021 11:53am

Mellor wrote: »

Had a play with this hybrid. Want to bias OHP and shoulder work. Will either suprcharge my shoulders - or just my shoulder issues

Day 1
Bench 3x5,
Row 3x5,
Pull-up 3x5,
Trap Bar 3x5 (:eek: controversially merging Squat and DL in a single exercise)

Day 2
Press 3-5x5
Grip (pinching, hanging)
Kettlebell Press 3 x 6
S&S*/Cardio (alternating)

2 non lifting days - Warm-up/Shoulder prep

Mace 360 swings
Kettlebell Overhead Carry

*S&S = Simple and Sinister
10x10 KB Swings, Followed by 5x2 Turkish Get Ups. Each set on the minute.

You know you best, and I know you know how to train, but to me that’s not an overhead press focused program at all.

You don’t mention what your plan is for weight progression, whether you’re going to peak and test your press at 12 weeks or whatever, but just taking exercise selection alone:-

- Only pressing one day a week? I would do a heavy press day, depending on how you’re progressing could be a top set and back offs, or could be a rotating rep scheme, and on another day volume presses or dynamic presses - 5x5 or 10x3.

- If you have a sticking point on the press pin presses are indispensable for dealing with that, I would try and fit them in in lieu of the heavy presses at least couple of times.

- The OH carry and SS stuff is not optimal as assistance for increasing your press, although I get there’s an argument you will increase your shoulder stability. It’s not optimal for shoulder hypertrophy either. You’re pressing so little can’t say that it will fatigue you for that, but overall it is just an odd way to go about increasing your press. Even for KB pressing look at pavel’s rite of passage and the programming on that.

- If your goal is bigger shoulders not just press numbers then I would be doing high volume side delt accessory work once a week. Won’t affect your pressing and more efficient than the KB stuff for direct shoulder training.

But like I said, I know you know how to train so just my few cents.

Brian? · 17-05-2021 7:17pm

paw patrol wrote: »

anybody recommend a good websites in similar(ish) fashion to t-nation.
I do like elitefts so I have that.

I used to like t-nation but i guess over the year the writers left to better things and I just haven't the same affinity with the current crop.
Its not them it's me. :pac:

anything weights based - bodybuilding/powerlifting/strongman type thing. bar olympic - great to look at but I'm not learning them.

T nation went to pot alright. You can only give the same advice so many times though.

I buy stupid training clothes, usually llama or rainbow based

Alf Veedersane · 17-05-2021 9:12pm

Brian? wrote: »

I buy stupid training clothes, usually llama or rainbow based

Or both with a pug-based theme?

Brian? · 17-05-2021 9:49pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Or both with a pug-based theme?

I’ve worn the space pugs on doughnuts t shirt out. RIP

Mellor · 18-05-2021 2:38am

Black Sheep wrote: »

You know you best, and I know you know how to train, but to me that’s not an overhead press focused program at all.

You don’t mention what your plan is for weight progression, whether you’re going to peak and test your press at 12 weeks or whatever, but just taking exercise selection alone:-

- Only pressing one day a week? I would do a heavy press day, depending on how you’re progressing could be a top set and back offs, or could be a rotating rep scheme, and on another day volume presses or dynamic presses - 5x5 or 10x3.

- If you have a sticking point on the press pin presses are indispensable for dealing with that, I would try and fit them in in lieu of the heavy presses at least couple of times.

- The OH carry and SS stuff is not optimal as assistance for increasing your press, although I get there’s an argument you will increase your shoulder stability. It’s not optimal for shoulder hypertrophy either. You’re pressing so little can’t say that it will fatigue you for that, but overall it is just an odd way to go about increasing your press. Even for KB pressing look at pavel’s rite of passage and the programming on that.

- If your goal is bigger shoulders not just press numbers then I would be doing high volume side delt accessory work once a week. Won’t affect your pressing and more efficient than the KB stuff for direct shoulder training.

But like I said, I know you know how to train so just my few cents.

More than happy with the commentary. (can move to a separate thread if keep off-topic thread off topic). A few question there. I'll cover in order.

When I say press focused. I mean in relation to my overall training. If I was training for a pressing in a competition, like strongman, crossfit, whatever. Volume would be be much greater, and I'd consider a careful progression in line with peaking for comp.
But for me lifting is secondary. That's a snap shot of my lifting. With is two days out of 5-6 other training days.

Normally Press is relegated to second or even third lift being the big 3 and their assistants. Which is why I'm doing the big lifts on day 1. And having press as the first lift on its own day. Progression will be standard linear progression across the 3x5 day 1.

Press is LP also. Starting at 5x5, dropping back to 4 and 3 sets and the intensity increases. Press will be 1.25kg steps. Note: I've just finished a 3rep wave for all lifts inc Press.
KB Press will increasing reps to maybe 8 reps. Then jump a size and repeat from 4-ish back up to 8 (6 reps is the average target).

Pressing one day a week is a function of lifting two days a week. I could drop bench row for press volume or assistance. But I don't want to drop them completely.
I could lift on a third day. But again. But would mean losing something else, which I don't want to either.

Re: sticking points. I'll see whats comes out of weeks 1-4. I'm usually good once I get it off my chest from a dead stop. Obviously if Im bouncing it from chin level, it sticks higher.

Carrys and Get-Ups are primarily there for stability and overall strength. Personal I think carries off all types are hugely underrated. While this won;t increase press directly. There's a pretty strong indirect benefit. Canon, canoe, etc.
There no way somebody is carrying a 40kg KG overhead without have a solid press.

Mace is there for strength through full ROM and warm up pre jiu-jitsu.
100reps/5-10mins of continuous swings replicates that hybrid intensity of a 5-10 minute match. (and also an excuse to cut some cardio)

Couldn't care less about size. Main wants would be improved strength, stability, and rom.
Being flexible into extreme ranges is great. But ideally I need the stability and strength to move out of those ROMs against resistance.

I did consider moving KB press to Day 1, and pull ups to day 2. That ticks all the above but maybe allow one arm press to function as volume presses. I could also drop the KB weight and do a more ladder style rep scheme. I've usually avoided ad I found the overly complex. Prefering the 10x10 volume of S&S or snatch tests.

Black Sheep · 18-05-2021 9:32am

Fair enough. I do miss some of the overhead carry and Turkish get up stuff I used to do, but I just don’t have time for everything. Or maybe more accurately- the ability to recover from everything.

I think if I could split myself in two I would have one of me doing functional training with carries, kettlebell work, strongman movements, and the other one of me training like a bodybuilder.

Mellor wrote: »

More than happy with the commentary. (can move to a separate thread if keep off-topic thread off topic). A few question there. I'll cover in order.

When I say press focused. I mean in relation to my overall training. If I was training for a pressing in a competition, like strongman, crossfit, whatever. Volume would be be much greater, and I'd consider a careful progression in line with peaking for comp.
But for me lifting is secondary. That's a snap shot of my lifting. With is two days out of 5-6 other training days.

Normally Press is relegated to second or even third lift being the big 3 and their assistants. Which is why I'm doing the big lifts on day 1. And having press as the first lift on its own day. Progression will be standard linear progression across the 3x5 day 1.

Press is LP also. Starting at 5x5, dropping back to 4 and 3 sets and the intensity increases. Press will be 1.25kg steps. Note: I've just finished a 3rep wave for all lifts inc Press.
KB Press will increasing reps to maybe 8 reps. Then jump a size and repeat from 4-ish back up to 8 (6 reps is the average target).

Pressing one day a week is a function of lifting two days a week. I could drop bench row for press volume or assistance. But I don't want to drop them completely.
I could lift on a third day. But again. But would mean losing something else, which I don't want to either.

Re: sticking points. I'll see whats comes out of weeks 1-4. I'm usually good once I get it off my chest from a dead stop. Obviously if Im bouncing it from chin level, it sticks higher.

Carrys and Get-Ups are primarily there for stability and overall strength. Personal I think carries off all types are hugely underrated. While this won;t increase press directly. There's a pretty strong indirect benefit. Canon, canoe, etc.
There no way somebody is carrying a 40kg KG overhead without have a solid press.

Mace is there for strength through full ROM and warm up pre jiu-jitsu.
100reps/5-10mins of continuous swings replicates that hybrid intensity of a 5-10 minute match. (and also an excuse to cut some cardio)

Couldn't care less about size. Main wants would be improved strength, stability, and rom.
Being flexible into extreme ranges is great. But ideally I need the stability and strength to move out of those ROMs against resistance.

I did consider moving KB press to Day 1, and pull ups to day 2. That ticks all the above but maybe allow one arm press to function as volume presses. I could also drop the KB weight and do a more ladder style rep scheme. I've usually avoided ad I found the overly complex. Prefering the 10x10 volume of S&S or snatch tests.

Mellor · 18-05-2021 2:43pm

Black Sheep wrote: »

Fair enough. I do miss some of the overhead carry and Turkish get up stuff I used to do, but I just don’t have time for everything. Or maybe more accurately- the ability to recover from everything.

I think if I could split myself in two I would have one of me doing functional training with carries, kettlebell work, strongman movements, and the other one of me training like a bodybuilder.

One of the reasons I'm a fan of Turkish Get Up is that it's basically a technical get up with a weight. I feel like it's the closest lift to combining jiu jitsu and weights.

If I had two of me and access to whatever I wat. One would me doing functional type stuff, carries, strongman. Be able to use a 40kg KB. The other one would just be doing full time jiu jitsu.
So the training above is the abridged version of that.

Alf Veedersane · 19-05-2021 2:34pm

If you're a member of Raw, they have a new class to sign up to:

There was a clip on Instgram but I was on a work phone so bypassed it...

Patsy167 · 19-05-2021 2:46pm

Might be handy for anyone who's a fan of Fulfil bars and spends a small fortune on them. Two of the best flavors too.

Fulfil Chocolate Salted Caramel / Chocolate Hazelnut Whip Bars 5x55g Range - WAS €13 - NOW €6.50 EACH

https://www.dunnesstores.com/c/fresh-food/grocery/in-store-offers

Alf Veedersane · 22-05-2021 4:59pm

Patsy167 wrote: »

What are peoples thoughts on this recent news story - Weightlifter Laurel Hubbard has taken a step closer to becoming the first transgender athlete to compete at an Olympics after qualification rules were changed because of Covid-19.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/weightlifting/57013419

Fair game or unfair advantage?

If anyone is interested, the Real Science of Sport had a podcast on this that's interesting if you want to get into the arguments on it

Mellor · 23-05-2021 4:17am

Mellor wrote: »

I did consider moving KB press to Day 1, and pull ups to day 2. That ticks all the above but maybe allow one arm press to function as volume presses. I could also drop the KB weight and do a more ladder style rep scheme. I've usually avoided ad I found the overly complex. Prefering the 10x10 volume of S&S or snatch tests.

@Black Sheep

Decided to go with the above. Move KB press to Day 1 and up the volume. Some sort of ladder scheme. Although not sure if 5-4-3-2-1 or 1-2-3-4-5 makes more sense. Can’t remember Pavels logic

Black Sheep · 23-05-2021 9:07am

Mellor wrote: »

@Black Sheep

Decided to go with the above. Move KB press to Day 1 and up the volume. Some sort of ladder scheme. Although not sure if 5-4-3-2-1 or 1-2-3-4-5 makes more sense. Can’t remember Pavels logic

I think Pavel mainly uses them to accumulate volume, and although they are ascending usually not sure it matters that much. He programmed things like 1-2-3 for multiple sets etc

I haven’t trained that way in a while but I used to love using ladders and pyramids to get high volumes of pull ups done.

Mellor · 23-05-2021 10:41am

My thinking was in order to hit 5 on the 5th rung, the first 4 can’t take too much out if you, so are you even working that much during 1-4. Feel like I could go heavier descending.

If you go ascending you could probably climb back 1-2-3-4-5-4-3-2-1. #volumez

Black Sheep · 23-05-2021 12:13pm

If you want to push the weight on the 5 rep rung, then yeah, descending makes more sense I guess.

When you know how many ladders you will do, what weight you will use, and how long you will rest, it would be interesting to compare the load, volume completed in comparison to a more traditional rep scheme... In some ways I think the amount of work done and the time it takes will end up looking like as if you did a rest/pause approach or something like that.

26-05-2021 5:12am

Gym here in Hanoi has been closed the last three weeks and will be the rest of the summer at least I guess as Covid-19 has finally hit with a vengeance.

I have a spare bedroom and a gym membership that ends this summer anyway. Hoping this rack I'm going to look at later will do me well enough. Rack plus bench and bar is around 300euro and weights are 1.50e a kilo. I don't know if the Rogue stencil costs extra.

the baby bull elephant · 26-05-2021 7:14am

https://www.instagram.com/p/CPTY0B2A8gm/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Casual 425x4

Alf Veedersane · 26-05-2021 7:31am

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

https://www.instagram.com/p/CPTY0B2A8gm/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Casual 425x4

He's serious bidniss. Was only the other week he did 435kg for a triple.

Twice.

Black Sheep · 28-05-2021 11:58am

Blk Box have a sale on this weekend - 20% discount and free shipping if the order is over £500.

The stuff in the sale includes squat stands, quarter rack, half rack, adjustable bench belfast bar, plyo box, etc.

It's a good time to buy if anyone was going to spend a decent bit.

Blk Box's shipping the rest of the time is quite expensive.

I think we're starting to see the gradual overshoot of supply versus demand now. A lot of these companies are getting stock in that they needed the past two years, just as the gyms are re-opening.

Dtp1979 · 29-05-2021 6:09am

Wow, what an incredible result in the match between Devon Larratt vs Michael Todd. Totally unexpected.

Alf Veedersane · 29-05-2021 9:17am

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Wow, what an incredible result in the match between Devon Larratt vs Michael Todd. Totally unexpected.

Should have said 'Monster' vs 'No Limits'. Then I would have known what you were on about...

Dtp1979 · 29-05-2021 9:53am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Should have said 'Monster' vs 'No Limits'. Then I would have known what you were on about...

Hahaha

Alf Veedersane · 31-05-2021 8:53pm

DylanJM wrote: »

She also trained and competed in weightlifting prior to transitioning. She lifted a 300kg total as a junior lifter. She's now doing a 285kg total as a 43 y/o female. So only 15kg difference. I would be impressed if a male lifter who hadn't transitioned was still within 15kg of their junior total as a 40 y/o.

Hubbard debuted in the women's category at the IWF Masters in 2017, her total was 280kg.

More than the totals of second and third combined.

Just to put the lifts of the men and the women in that category into context:

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Allowing her compete as in the female category could never be fair.

https://twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1399431237782183939?s=20

Dtp1979 · 01-06-2021 6:09am

Does anyone remember how much a bag of 5kg whey isolate is from my protein? At the moment they’re charging 120 and it’s included in their 45% sale, but 120 seems expensive. I don’t remember paying that before. Anyone purchased a bag a few months ago?

Mellor · 01-06-2021 7:22am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Mellor · 02-06-2021 2:16am

Black Sheep wrote: »

When you know how many ladders you will do, what weight you will use, and how long you will rest, it would be interesting to compare the load, volume completed in comparison to a more traditional rep scheme... In some ways I think the amount of work done and the time it takes will end up looking like as if you did a rest/pause approach or something like that.

Have done a few sessions on this.
Load is about 66%-80% of normal load.
Total reps are doubled with ladders. So volume up over all.

Yesterday I did up and down ladder (from 1 to 5 to 1 again) at 66%. Which is just over double volume.

Right arm is struggling more, and it's my good arm. So think I've an underlying issue there.

caviardreams · 15-06-2021 7:58pm

I see the Stronger by Science people are developing a new app to compete with MFP, Noom etc. Will be an interesting one to watch - I am sure there is a market there for a middle ground between MFP and Noom price-wise.

Black Sheep · 16-06-2021 2:21pm

I've really noticed that Blk Box, Strength Shop, Mc Sport and others are really well-stocked right now compared to the situation for the past two years, and judging by what's happening with Mc Sport and Blk Box I would guess they have over shot in terms of their stock compared to the demand they projected.

Maybe they were doing their math late last year or earlier in the year and thought that 2021 would be locked down for a few months longer. Blk Box in particular have been running sale after sale the past couple of weekends, it's still a really good time to buy gear from them, both from the point of view of discounts but free shipping deals.

I'm actually surprised they're doing this, because they had positioned themselves really effectively as a mid to high end supplier, not a budget supplier, and if you run sales all the time then it can hurt that effort at gaining prestige.

There's also a fair bit of stuff being released into the second hand market, some of it obviously stuff people bought during the lockdown. I know some people have been waiting to buy equipment at the price they think it should be (Which is always low, no matter what year it is, and inflation does not exist for these people), might be worth them keeping their eyes peeled. At the moment people are listing stuff for high prices (Because of course they're like the other folks, they hate "losing money" on what they think something is still worth), but some will give in over time.

caviardreams · 17-06-2021 11:29am

TFW you realise the trap bar is 22kg not 20kg and you are 2kg stronger than you thought :pac:

After a couple of high volume, easy sessions to get back into it I'm going straight into a strength phase with sets of 5-8 - my thinking is to try and build back some strength in this block and then in 6 weeks, revert to a higher volume 8-12 rep block - Prince and repeat.

My strength is very low at the moment so I figured this was a good approach - open to suggestions and alternatives though if anyone has any ideas. Interested in what others are doing too.

Black Sheep · 17-06-2021 11:50am

caviardreams wrote: »

TFW you realise the trap bar is 22kg not 20kg and you are 2kg stronger than you thought :pac:

After a couple of high volume, easy sessions to get back into it I'm going straight into a strength phase with sets of 5-8 - my thinking is to try and build back some strength in this block and then in 6 weeks, revert to a higher volume 8-12 rep block - Prince and repeat.

My strength is very low at the moment so I figured this was a good approach - open to suggestions and alternatives though if anyone has any ideas. Interested in what others are doing too.

They vary depending on size - mine is 25kg. I’ve seen very small ones that might have been closer to 20kg.

Worth weighing bars sometimes just to check sometimes. Most budget priced bars are not true weight.

If I visit a gym with cheap bars I assume they are 2kg or so lighter than what they’re supposed to be. It all evens out in the end though.

Cill94 · 17-06-2021 12:22pm

caviardreams wrote: »

TFW you realise the trap bar is 22kg not 20kg and you are 2kg stronger than you thought :pac:

After a couple of high volume, easy sessions to get back into it I'm going straight into a strength phase with sets of 5-8 - my thinking is to try and build back some strength in this block and then in 6 weeks, revert to a higher volume 8-12 rep block - Prince and repeat.

My strength is very low at the moment so I figured this was a good approach - open to suggestions and alternatives though if anyone has any ideas. Interested in what others are doing too.

If you haven't trained in months then you're basically on beginner gains, meaning you'll gain strength and muscle back regardless. So I think that approach you have will work fine. Shoot for PRs in each block, and if you're gonna trap bar, use them low handles

silverharp · 17-06-2021 12:53pm

Black Sheep wrote: »

They vary depending on size - mine is 25kg. I’ve seen very small ones that might have been closer to 20kg.

Worth weighing bars sometimes just to check sometimes. Most budget priced bars are not true weight.

If I visit a gym with cheap bars I assume they are 2kg or so lighter than what they’re supposed to be. It all evens out in the end though.

I picked up one in Dec, but it was a large 38Kg I think , its strange going back to the gym one, the handles are narrow in comparison so it took a bit to get used to the different grip

Patsy167 · 17-06-2021 1:18pm

silverharp wrote: »

I picked up one in Dec, but it was a large 38Kg I think , its strange going back to the gym one, the handles are narrow in comparison so it took a bit to get used to the different grip

The standard hex trap bar basically has three major weights: 45/55/75 lbs (20/25/34kgs). And the 45lb hex bar one is the most popular size, which is even heavier than Olympic barbell.

caviardreams · 17-06-2021 1:54pm

Black Sheep wrote: »

If I visit a gym with cheap bars I assume they are 2kg or so lighter than what they’re supposed to be. It all evens out in the end though.

So you're telling me I'm not 2kg stronger after all?

:D:D

Thankfully 22kg is written the end of the bar, so hopefully it's 20kg in reality anyway!

Are trap bar DLs really that bad? Haven't DLed in ages as I have a bad lower back issue and just not worth pushing my luck, hence I just started in on Trap Bar DLs for the first time.

Have been using the higher handles

Don't shoot me Cill!

Patsy167 · 17-06-2021 2:06pm

caviardreams wrote: »

So you're telling me I'm not 2kg stronger after all? :D:D

Thankfully 22kg is written the end of the bar, so hopefully it's 20kg in reality anyway!

Are trap bar DLs really that bad? Haven't DLed in ages as I have a bad lower back issue and just not worth pushing my luck, hence I just started in on Trap Bar DLs for the first time.

Have been using the higher handles Don't shoot me Cill!

This was the article that converted me to a believer - https://www.strongerbyscience.com/trap-bar-deadlifts/

caviardreams · 17-06-2021 2:19pm

Patsy167 wrote: »

This was the article that converted me to a believer - https://www.strongerbyscience.com/trap-bar-deadlifts/

Great thanks - it had me at "Jacked quads"

Black Sheep · 17-06-2021 3:00pm

caviardreams wrote: »

So you're telling me I'm not 2kg stronger after all? :D:D

Thankfully 22kg is written the end of the bar, so hopefully it's 20kg in reality anyway!

Are trap bar DLs really that bad? Haven't DLed in ages as I have a bad lower back issue and just not worth pushing my luck, hence I just started in on Trap Bar DLs for the first time.

Have been using the higher handles Don't shoot me Cill!

Nothing wrong with trap bars, they have advantages in particular contexts ... but I don’t go in for the arguments that they are “better” than straight bars either. They’re a useful speciality bar.

At the moment I am actually using them a lot myself. More quad involvement, something I want right now ...

And also yes, if you are dealing with a low back issue then potentially pulling with a more vertical back position may be a good idea. Doesn’t even have to be using the high handles most of the time. Trap bar can be handy for that, although to be honest you could just pull a straight bar off very thin plates or blocks and get similar relief. Not a permanent solution but if you’re managing something you have to do what you have to do sometimes.

Cill94 · 17-06-2021 8:08pm

I don’t mind trap bars, I just see a lot of people use them as a long term crutch for being unable to hinge. Because you can set up with the high handles so that you are basically squatting the weight. In the real world the weight will always be in front on you like a bar, stone, tyre, etc.

Some people don’t care about that, which is fine. I just don’t see the point in spending all that time strength training but being unable to pick up a couch or a heavy box when you need to.

caviardreams · 17-06-2021 9:29pm

Cill94 wrote: »

I don’t mind trap bars, I just see a lot of people use them as a long term crutch for being unable to hinge. Because you can set up with the high handles so that you are basically squatting the weight. In the real world the weight will always be in front on you like a bar, stone, tyre, etc.

Some people don’t care about that, which is fine. I just don’t see the point in spending all that time strength training but being unable to pick up a couch or a heavy box when you need to.

I'm not sure I'll ever be able to pick up a couch tbh even if I deadlift from now until I'm 100!

:D

silverharp · 18-06-2021 12:32am

Cill94 wrote: »

I don’t mind trap bars, I just see a lot of people use them as a long term crutch for being unable to hinge. Because you can set up with the high handles so that you are basically squatting the weight. In the real world the weight will always be in front on you like a bar, stone, tyre, etc.

Some people don’t care about that, which is fine. I just don’t see the point in spending all that time strength training but being unable to pick up a couch or a heavy box when you need to.

'elf & safety are all about the knee bend , idiot proof?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiGiPO_R_rU

Alf Veedersane · 18-06-2021 7:51am

silverharp wrote: »

'elf & safety are all about the knee bend , idiot proof?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiGiPO_R_rU

The point behind bending your knees is that you're reducing the level of lower back flexion and risking injury.

Some loads you can pick up with more of a squat movement but some loads are bigger that you will have to hinge more to minimize lower back flexion when you're lifting.

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