Anyone still waiting for stuff from China?

stimpson · 13-03-2017 2:36pm

I wonder if it's possible to get a battery powered GPS tracker. I'll be in Shanghai later this year and I'd be interested to see what route the package would take.

ohnonotgmail · 13-03-2017 2:49pm

stimpson wrote: »

I wonder if it's possible to get a battery powered GPS tracker. I'll be in Shanghai later this year and I'd be interested to see what route the package would take.

how could the tracker see the gps satellites if it is inside a parcel?

ED E · 13-03-2017 2:50pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Does the USO not apply to postal items up to to 2kg or is that only between EU member states? If not how is An Post being paid to deliver these items?

Actually now that I look it does, since 2011 if they're both UPU and EU.

Still chinapost doesnt meet those criteria.

The UPU established that:
There should be a uniform flat rate to mail a letter anywhere in the world
Postal authorities should give equal treatment to foreign and domestic mail
Each country should retain all money it has collected for international postage.

So basically CNPost deliver APs mail in China for free and AP deliver CNPosts mail here for free. If that was Ireland and France it'd be fair, but with China its not a very balanced arrangement.

Wonder if the UPU would do anything with a complaint. EDIT: Cant see a complaints procedure for them. So complain to AP, see what they say, then go to COMREG.

ED E · 13-03-2017 2:52pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how could the tracker see the gps satellites if it is inside a parcel?

In a jiffy bag in a cage in a soft shell truck it would get a lock. Wouldnt in a 40ft container.

You'd only need partial exposure at a few points to get the key kinda data you needed.

13-03-2017 2:54pm

stimpson wrote: »

I wonder if it's possible to get a battery powered GPS tracker. I'll be in Shanghai later this year and I'd be interested to see what route the package would take.

something that polls mobile networks and makes a record would be more practical - don't know if such a thing exists.

ohnonotgmail · 13-03-2017 3:03pm

ED E wrote: »

Actually now that I look it does, since 2011 if they're both UPU and EU.

Still chinapost doesnt meet those criteria.

So basically CNPost deliver APs mail in China for free and AP deliver CNPosts mail here for free. If that was Ireland and France it'd be fair, but with China its not a very balanced arrangement.

Wonder if the UPU would do anything with a complaint. EDIT: Cant see a complaints procedure for them. So complain to AP, see what they say, then go to COMREG.

This article from Fortune seems to suggest that small packets are included in the USO.

http://fortune.com/2015/03/11/united-nations-subsidy-chinese-shipping/

Apparently they were meant to be making changes at the last UPU congress but i cant find any info on changes.

stimpson · 13-03-2017 3:13pm

ED E wrote: »

In a jiffy bag in a cage in a soft shell truck it would get a lock. Wouldnt in a 40ft container.

You'd only need partial exposure at a few points to get the key kinda data you needed.

That's what I'm thinking. You only really care about when it lands in Ireland TBH. anyway, it looks like that type of kit is around $100 on Ali Express which is a bit more than I wanted to pay. I may have to see what I can find when I go looking for cheap crap in the markets.

dohouch · 13-03-2017 5:38pm

Phone case arrived today from China Ebay seller. Posted 09Dec2016 upto today =94 days

Galadriel · 13-03-2017 6:02pm

I ordered something at the beginning of January and it just arrived today.

The Raptor · 13-03-2017 6:34pm

Galadriel wrote: »

I ordered something at the beginning of January and it just arrived today.

I ordered something at the end of January. So I have 3 more weeks. Not sure what to do with the eBay dispute I opened. They only give you a week to sort things out.

14-03-2017 8:59am

dohouch wrote: »

Phone case arrived today from China Ebay seller. Posted 09Dec2016 upto today =94 days

129 days is my record so far.
What about someone writing a letter to An Post?

archer22 · 14-03-2017 10:07am

glasso wrote: »

129 days is my record so far.
What about someone writing a letter to An Post?

I sent them an e-mail...got reply a week later stating international mail should arrive within 10 days and if it has not to contact sender :rolleyes:

14-03-2017 11:07am

archer22 wrote: »

I sent them an e-mail...got reply a week later stating international mail should arrive within 10 days and if it has not to contact sender :rolleyes:

so standard fob-off.

I guess that it's not a priority for anyone in Ireland really.
1.An post is probably losing money in dealing with this sort of post
(way more stuff coming from China than Ireland is sending to China,
money they get for it is less than the cost of sorting it and delivering it. so the sorting part is the lowest priority and probably even deliberately delayed)
2.Irish exchequer is losing VAT and import duty compared to a local sale on the items being delivered. (assuming that most items are coming in under the limit).

what about complaining to the universal delivery obligation body?
Then again it's hard to get any direct proof of the prioritizing without using a long-life gps tracker or something like that.

itsnotmyfault · 15-03-2017 9:50pm

I just got my final item that i ordered on the 11th November. Anyone want to do the mathsðŸ˜

The Raptor · 15-03-2017 10:18pm

I'm waiting at least 6 weeks for a few things. I had some hope that it might be delivered this week but tomorrow being the last day of deliveries for this week, I don't think it will happen this week.

The Raptor · 15-03-2017 10:20pm

itsnotmyfault wrote: »

I just got my final item that i ordered on the 11th November. Anyone want to do the mathsðŸ˜

This doesn't make any sense. How are things being delivered this week for things ordered in November and another poster had something delivered from January.

Are things sitting in the postal sorting office or what?

The Raptor · 15-03-2017 11:36pm

Finally getting some progress.

Ordered something in the middle of February and the tracking shows it's in Dublin. I don't understand where my other packages are ordered at the end of January.

scotchy · 15-03-2017 11:51pm

Waiting on quite a few items here too.

The longest is from the 25th of Jan.

I ordered something on 26th of Feb and reordered the same thing today, but this time I'm having it delivered to my Parcel Motel address in NI, will be interesting to see which one gets here first.

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ED E · 16-03-2017 2:40am

The Raptor wrote: »

Are things sitting in the postal sorting office or what?

Cages of overflow in DUB would be my guess.

16-03-2017 9:29am

Anything ive ordered in the past 6 weeks is up to date and delivered even with chinese new year in the mix, although im still missing stuff from october and nothing from that side of christmas has filtered through

16-03-2017 2:43pm

5500 wrote: »

Anything ive ordered in the past 6 weeks is up to date and delivered even with chinese new year in the mix, although im still missing stuff from october and nothing from that side of christmas has filtered through

Got something shipped in October a couple of weeks ago.
Crazy that An Post are just leaving stuff hanging around until they feel like sorting + delivering it.
It's a sham.

Silent Shrill · 16-03-2017 11:35pm

archer22 wrote: »

I order quite a few bits and bobs from the Chinese traders on ebay and Aliexpress, never had any problems before, items arrived in 2 to 3 weeks.
But lately An Post really seem to be taking the piss...everything is taking at least 6 to 8 weeks to arrive even though tracking shows they arrived in Ireland around one week after shipping.
Why the sudden change?...I can only assume An Post does not want to deliver those items as there is nothing in in for them and so are now acting the B******s to try to deter people from ordering them.

It's not an post. China has a very poor postal service. The government pay the post cost for traders that are in some way affiliated, (by way of an agreement), with the government of China....the trader has to meet certain requirements to avail of this. Our postal service, in our case an post, probably get around 1cent for their part. How do you think these ebay and ali-express traders can offer free post? No postal service offers free post. There's an agreement between countries that China is regarded as a third-world country, in terms of population wealth, and China receives many benefits, money, and more, from other "wealthy" countries. They pay the staff they need to a pittance. China ships out millions of little packets and parcels every day. Sometimes the item has been sitting in some rundown warehouse for weeks, waiting for some 10 year old lad to start sorting them into countries.......and there's tons of them!
Get onto the seller and give them grief, the problem lies at their end. They'll tell you the same ol' yarn they've been giving everyone for years. If you buy from China, expect delays and non-arrivals, it's commonplace. Besides, nearly everything we buy from these Chinese sellers is crap,...it's cheap crap, but some of it looks good. We buy from them because it's cheap.
I recently bought a set of 8 brushes for an electric motor, 9 weeks ago. The first set I bought never arrived within 5 weeks, got a refund. I purchased again from the same seller, and 4 weeks later they're still not here, and neither are the first. It gives me a pain in my rear to wait 9 weeks for brushes I could have got elsewhere in a few days....and I still have to buy them again by the looks of it. You have to accept the shyte that comes with "free post".
Anyhow, a more important question is,
"Where are all those millions of little packets & parcels that never arrived at their destination? and why did they end up where they currently are?"
I'd say that the corruption in China is massive, and many are stolen before they leave their shores. The tracking numbers are useless on the whole. It might show the item as in Ireland, but it is not. This is to make you believe they've sent it and it's arrived in your country. If you want real tracking from say fed-ex, go and find out the cost to send a packet from China to Ireland.......it ain't free.

archer22 · 17-03-2017 9:47am

Silent Shrill wrote: »

It's not an post. China has a very poor postal service. The government pay the post cost for traders that are in some way affiliated, (by way of an agreement), with the government of China....the trader has to meet certain requirements to avail of this. Our postal service, in our case an post, probably get around 1cent for their part. How do you think these ebay and ali-express traders can offer free post? No postal service offers free post. There's an agreement between countries that China is regarded as a third-world country, in terms of population wealth, and China receives many benefits, money, and more, from other "wealthy" countries. They pay the staff they need to a pittance. China ships out millions of little packets and parcels every day. Sometimes the item has been sitting in some rundown warehouse for weeks, waiting for some 10 year old lad to start sorting them into countries.......and there's tons of them!
Get onto the seller and give them grief, the problem lies at their end. They'll tell you the same ol' yarn they've been giving everyone for years. If you buy from China, expect delays and non-arrivals, it's commonplace. Besides, nearly everything we buy from these Chinese sellers is crap,...it's cheap crap, but some of it looks good. We buy from them because it's cheap.
I recently bought a set of 8 brushes for an electric motor, 9 weeks ago. The first set I bought never arrived within 5 weeks, got a refund. I purchased again from the same seller, and 4 weeks later they're still not here, and neither are the first. It gives me a pain in my rear to wait 9 weeks for brushes I could have got elsewhere in a few days....and I still have to buy them again by the looks of it. You have to accept the shyte that comes with "free post".
Anyhow, a more important question is,
"Where are all those millions of little packets & parcels that never arrived at their destination? and why did they end up where they currently are?"
I'd say that the corruption in China is massive, and many are stolen before they leave their shores. The tracking numbers are useless on the whole. It might show the item as in Ireland, but it is not. This is to make you believe they've sent it and it's arrived in your country. If you want real tracking from say fed-ex, go and find out the cost to send a packet from China to Ireland.......it ain't free.

Thanks for posting that load of racist nonsense its most helpful :rolleyes:

bossdrum · 17-03-2017 10:11am

I think the problem is on the Irish side as well. Most of my packages are taking 2 or 3 months as well and sometimes the tracking shows as having been delivered in Ireland weeks previously.
Bizarrely two items I ordered at the end of January and start of February were delivered within 10 days. They were posted from Singapore.

scotchy · 17-03-2017 10:19am

I've had experience of getting packages delivered from China to my Parcel Motel address in NI and they arrive much faster.

As I've said in the other thread on this subject, I'm currently waiting on 2 packets from the same Chinese seller, one due be delivered to Dublin and the other to my NI parcel Motel address, so will be interesting to see the difference.

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prinzeugen · 18-03-2017 2:35am

archer22 wrote: »

Thanks for posting that load of racist nonsense its most helpful :rolleyes:

How is that racist?

Stuff can sit in the customs waiting to be inspected also.

Lots of fake or dangerous goods come out of China. (Explosive batteries for example).

I did read somewhere, a while back that many carriers refuse to carry packages from China for that reason.

They will only carry letters. (Think it was an avation mag)

ED E · 18-03-2017 6:07pm

Silent Shrill wrote: »

It's not an post. China has a very poor postal service. The government pay the post cost for traders that are in some way affiliated, (by way of an agreement), with the government of China....the trader has to meet certain requirements to avail of this. Our postal service, in our case an post, probably get around 1cent for their part. How do you think these ebay and ali-express traders can offer free post? No postal service offers free post. There's an agreement between countries that China is regarded as a third-world country, in terms of population wealth, and China receives many benefits, money, and more, from other "wealthy" countries. They pay the staff they need to a pittance. China ships out millions of little packets and parcels every day. Sometimes the item has been sitting in some rundown warehouse for weeks, waiting for some 10 year old lad to start sorting them into countries.......and there's tons of them!
Get onto the seller and give them grief, the problem lies at their end. They'll tell you the same ol' yarn they've been giving everyone for years. If you buy from China, expect delays and non-arrivals, it's commonplace. Besides, nearly everything we buy from these Chinese sellers is crap,...it's cheap crap, but some of it looks good. We buy from them because it's cheap.
I recently bought a set of 8 brushes for an electric motor, 9 weeks ago. The first set I bought never arrived within 5 weeks, got a refund. I purchased again from the same seller, and 4 weeks later they're still not here, and neither are the first. It gives me a pain in my rear to wait 9 weeks for brushes I could have got elsewhere in a few days....and I still have to buy them again by the looks of it. You have to accept the shyte that comes with "free post".
Anyhow, a more important question is,
"Where are all those millions of little packets & parcels that never arrived at their destination? and why did they end up where they currently are?"
I'd say that the corruption in China is massive, and many are stolen before they leave their shores. The tracking numbers are useless on the whole. It might show the item as in Ireland, but it is not. This is to make you believe they've sent it and it's arrived in your country. If you want real tracking from say fed-ex, go and find out the cost to send a packet from China to Ireland.......it ain't free.

ED E · 19-03-2017 2:21am

To update

#1 62 Days
#2 73 Days
#3 In transit 119 Days
#4 In transit 121 Days

More recent:
#5 In transit 44 days
#6 In transit 7 days with YANWEN(?)

Separately order from DX that contained batteries went through NL and took about 20 days.

vandriver · 20-03-2017 11:10am

http://prnt.sc/em62uk

I'm beating you all!
Ordered Oct 25th,delivered this morning.
147 days.

my3cents · 20-03-2017 2:34pm

Just had a chat with my postman about this and he says he gets odd days when he gets far more stuff from China than normal. The obvious deduction being that stuff from China gets left in a warehouse and sorted when An Post management feel like sorting it. Given An Post Management can't be bothered about it I doubt they controlling how China mail gets sorted so first in to wherever the mail gets left could just as easily be last out.

The Raptor · 20-03-2017 6:24pm

I have a tracking number that shows there's a package in Dublin mail center since last Wednesday.

What's this about standard post being delivered the next working day?

I knew I wouldn't get it on Thursday, but nothing today.

I think they just hang on to mail.

ohnonotgmail · 20-03-2017 6:34pm

The Raptor wrote: »

I have a tracking number that shows there's a package in Dublin mail center since last Wednesday.

What's this about standard post being delivered the next working day?

I knew I wouldn't get it on Thursday, but nothing today.

I think they just hang on to mail.

to be fair it is quite unusual for a package to not be delivered the next day. depending on where you live of course.

whiterebel · 20-03-2017 6:41pm

The Raptor wrote: »

I have a tracking number that shows there's a package in Dublin mail center since last Wednesday.

What's this about standard post being delivered the next working day?

I knew I wouldn't get it on Thursday, but nothing today.

I think they just hang on to mail.

Is it fair to presume its coming from China? If so, customs are probably having a look at it.

20-03-2017 6:46pm

The Raptor wrote: »

I have a tracking number that shows there's a package in Dublin mail center since last Wednesday.

What's this about standard post being delivered the next working day?

I knew I wouldn't get it on Thursday, but nothing today.

I think they just hang on to mail.

Is it showing on anpost tracking as here since Wednesday or is this Aliexpress tracking? I had a delivery this morning,that was scanned in on Thursday at the DMC

The Raptor · 20-03-2017 6:59pm

5500 wrote: »

Is it showing on anpost tracking as here since Wednesday or is this Aliexpress tracking? I had a delivery this morning,that was scanned in on Thursday at the DMC

Yep, it's showing on an post tracking. So I'm not sure what the hold up is.

20-03-2017 7:33pm

Normally if customs stop it it say's "ITEM SENT TO CUSTOMS" or "ITEM HELD BY CUSTOMS"
If that doesn't show up by the morning then I'd be giving them a bell to see what the story is

ED E · 20-03-2017 9:17pm

vandriver wrote: »

http://prnt.sc/em62uk

I'm beating you all!
Ordered Oct 25th,delivered this morning.
147 days.

I really hope I don't beat your record.

The Raptor wrote: »

Yep, it's showing on an post tracking. So I'm not sure what the hold up is.

If it was R&C as above it'd tell you. Also DMC@revenue.ie respond quickly if you want to check.

It can happen that lads in DSUs don't scan an item so it doesn't track until it magically appears at your door.

Enrico Palazzo · 21-03-2017 12:04am

Yep, I have lots of CN stuff MIA. Have been wondering what's going on, as I never had to wait so long for ALL items I bought in short period of time. None of it was urgent or valuable, but two or more months is acceptable only for useless silly yokes or future replacement stuff. Also, more and more of those products can be bought on and fullfilled by amazon.co.uk at marginally higher prices - only the free delivery threshold is an obstacle. Nevertheless, would love to know what's causing those delays.
Edit: OK, just finished the lecture of this thread, it all adds up.

Enrico Palazzo · 21-03-2017 12:11am

Collibosher wrote: »

Yesterday I received an item posted via the untrackable small packets China Post service on October 22nd.

Got the refund for it last week :rolleyes:

Not your fault at all, but with enough cases like this overseas sellers might finally start refusing untracked delivery to ROI. Just look at all the listings refusing shipping to Italy and some other countries, because of super-slow destination postal service and buyers making lots of refund claims.

The Raptor · 21-03-2017 8:53am

Should be getting something today. My package is the local mail center. What I don't get is why this package is here and it was sent in mid February and I'm still waiting on things from the end of January/start of February.

archer22 · 21-03-2017 12:19pm

Enrico Palazzo wrote: »

Not your fault at all, but with enough cases like this overseas sellers might finally start refusing untracked delivery to ROI. Just look at all the listings refusing shipping to Italy and some other countries, because of super-slow destination postal service and buyers making lots of refund claims.

And that I think is what this game is all about

.

I can understand folks looking for refunds but for my part I have not, because I feel that is what some cute hoors want me to do.
And I ain't playing the game!.

21-03-2017 1:58pm

archer22 wrote: »

And that I think is what this game is all about .

I can understand folks looking for refunds but for my part I have not, because I feel that is what some cute hoors want me to do.
And I ain't playing the game!.

how can we screw An Post back on this if they are screwing us?
petition? complaints are pointless it seems.

ED E · 21-03-2017 5:03pm

No response from AP Customer Care. No case number for COMREG. Time to email Naughten.

The Raptor · 21-03-2017 6:55pm

I'm not sure if it was here or the gearbest thread but I can get more tracking information on sky56.cn

One package I was waiting on and it turns out it arrived into Ireland at a reasonable enough time, it took about two weeks.

It's in customs since the 17 February. What's going on here? Did they keep it? It was only a pair of earphones and a small pet costume, so nothing illegal.

ED E · 21-03-2017 7:09pm

The Raptor wrote: »

I'm not sure if it was here or the gearbest thread but I can get more tracking information on sky56.cn

One package I was waiting on and it turns out it arrived into Ireland at a reasonable enough time, it took about two weeks.

It's in customs since the 17 February. What's going on here? Did they keep it? It was only a pair of earphones and a small pet costume, so nothing illegal.

To steal your tracking number for a minute:

Aftership:

Feb 11, 2017
06:45 am
Item Arrived at IrelandMalaysia Post EMS / Pos Laju
Ireland
Feb 10, 2017
04:56 pm
Item Sent to IRELANDMalaysia Post EMS / Pos Laju
MPC PMIH (KLIA)
Feb 08, 2017
10:54 am
Item Posted Over The Counter to IrelandMalaysia Post EMS / Pos Laju
MPC PMIH (KLIA)
Feb 07, 2017
03:43 pm
Dispatch PreAlert to IrelandMalaysia Post EMS / Pos Laju
MPC PMIH (KLIA)

https://track.aftership.com/malaysia-post/SYBPL02415565

17 Track:

Origin Country - Cache Time: 2017-03-21 17:40
2017-02-11 06:45 Ireland, Item Arrived at Ireland
2017-02-10 16:56 MPC PMIH (KLIA), Item Sent to IRELAND
2017-02-08 10:54 MPC PMIH (KLIA), Item Posted Over The Counter to Ireland
2017-02-07 15:43 MPC PMIH (KLIA), Dispatch PreAlert to Ireland

http://www.17track.net/en/track?nums=SYBPL02415565

Sky56

Electronic information,receive--02-Feb-2017 03:59 PM

Small package Center, receive--02-Feb-2017 05:59 PM

Parcel centre,sealing--02-Feb-2017 08:59 PM

Small package Center, left--02-Feb-2017 10:32 PM

Exchange Bureau, have been exported to open--04-Feb-2017 06:32 AM

Exchange Bureau, have been exported directly--05-Feb-2017 12:35 AM

Transit Center&#65292;left hand navigation--05-Feb-2017 06:09 AM

IRELAND, Arrived --17-Feb-2017 06:09 AM

IRELAND, the transfer of customs-- 17-Feb-2017 09:49 AM

http://sky56.cn/english/track/index

Would have expected them to match up, thought the UPU was meant to standardise these things.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 21-03-2017 7:36pm

The Raptor wrote: »

I'm not sure if it was here or the gearbest thread but I can get more tracking information on sky56.cn

One package I was waiting on and it turns out it arrived into Ireland at a reasonable enough time, it took about two weeks.

It's in customs since the 17 February. What's going on here? Did they keep it? It was only a pair of earphones and a small pet costume, so nothing illegal.

Again you're taking dodgy Chinese tracking as gospel.

The Raptor · 21-03-2017 10:43pm

Harold Wrong Cape wrote: »

Again you're taking dodgy Chinese tracking as gospel.

Well I don't understand how it's showing up as being in Ireland. It's not 24 hours between the posting of the item and getting here. It took about two weeks. So I don't see anything dodgy about it.

HONKEY TONK · 21-03-2017 10:48pm

I ordered stuff from amazon which is coming from China

They used dhtexpress

Posted 10 days ago and now shows in sorting facility in citywest.

Is that legit?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 21-03-2017 11:13pm

The Raptor wrote: »

Well I don't understand how it's showing up as being in Ireland. It's not 24 hours between the posting of the item and getting here. It took about two weeks. So I don't see anything dodgy about it.

But ED E posted two other tracking companies that disagree with your original.

If we are to take your claim that the tracking is legit. How does the Chinese side know it's in Ireland? It would have to be scanned here right? Now you're into the territory of An Post altering their tracking so that it doesn't show up as being in the country. I don't buy into that conspiracy sorry.

My own theory is that a lot of these packages are being shipped by sea and that containers are being delayed at intermediate points in the journey.

ED E · 22-03-2017 12:20am

Harold Wrong Cape wrote: »

If we are to take your claim that the tracking is legit. How does the Chinese side know it's in Ireland? It would have to be scanned here right? Now you're into the territory of An Post altering their tracking so that it doesn't show up as being in the country. I don't buy into that conspiracy sorry.

Disagree.

Say its shipped with CNPost. CNPost Pay Acme Postal to deliver from China to Ireland.

CN scan it in China
Acme Postal Scan it in China
Acme Postal Scan it in Ireland
..
.. Period while An Post do nothing
..
An Post Scan it
An Post Deliver it

Just because AP havent done intake doesnt mean its not here. The cages before AP process an item is a bit of a no mans land.

Anyone still waiting for stuff from China?

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