Racist Abuse?

Omackeral · 14-10-2019 11:42pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

"No mate, we're going all electric in Ireland, sold our donkeys to ye, you'll need them after Brexit"

dxhound2005 · 14-10-2019 11:43pm

Latvia has cornered the market these days for potato jokes.

https://www.ranker.com/list/latvian-jokes/jack-napier

anewme · 14-10-2019 11:48pm

wakka12 wrote: »

racist abuse or not?
not

You know you lived a really privileged life when you think what this person said was abusive

Nope, I haven’t lived a privileged life, I’ve worked hard.

I’m not going to sit there and listen to some stranger mouth off about the stupid Paddy’s on donkeys or the potatoe famine that killed the stupid Irish, or how Bloody Sunday was justified.

No, I’m not going to entertain that at all.

blinding · 14-10-2019 11:50pm

Have you tried the Grenade disguised as a Potato . That could get him to cash his chips .

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 14-10-2019 11:51pm

anewme wrote: »

Nope, I haven’t lived a privileged life, I’ve worked hard.

I’m not going to sit there and listen to some stranger mouth off about the stupid Paddy’s on donkeys or the potatoe famine that killed the stupid Irish, or how Bloody Sunday was justified.

No, I’m not going to entertain that at all.

It’s terribly odd of you to get upset at clearly offensive tropes and you have instead put in a balaclava, danced a jig, and said “turty tree and a turd, we ate all the spuds until dere were no spuds”.

anewme · 14-10-2019 11:54pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

What did he say about the famine?

That you need to be careful about telling Irish jokes in Newfoundland as there are a lot of Irish there, who tried to avoid the potatoe famine.

Also comments as to why there was a new enquiry on Bloody Sunday, it was a war casualty.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 14-10-2019 11:56pm

anewme wrote: »

That you need to be careful about telling Irish jokes in Newfoundland as there are a lot of Irish there, who tried to avoid the potatoe famine.

Also comments as to why there was a new enquiry on Bloody Sunday, it was a war casualty.

Ah, the first one wasn’t so bad. The second one you can answer.

Larbre34 · 15-10-2019 12:16am

You could blindside him with this one.

Ireland is a net importer of spuds, has been for many years and 45% of them come from Britain. Thats straight up true.

Gatling · 15-10-2019 12:18am

A little jig to take away the oul holiday blues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWKZbbBND1c

Should have gone to Kerry

Tell me how · 15-10-2019 1:18am

Omackeral wrote: »

They were trying to be clever be insinuating that the 6 English people only had a combined IQ with three digits in it i.e they're thick. However, that would tot up to be fairly average so it's not that much of a burn really.

Yeah, implying someone having 1/6th of the intelligence of a fairly average person isn't insulting....

Omackeral · 15-10-2019 8:06am

Tell me how wrote: »

Yeah, implying someone having 1/6th of the intelligence of a fairly average person isn't insulting....

Well you failed with your implication really. You said all six English people combined have a 3-digit IQ. 990, for example, is still a 3 digit number. Would render them all average. That's all I was saying...........

El_Duderino 09 · 15-10-2019 10:56am

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Still you are comparing a region to a nation. An Englishman should know his history and geography. Which includes the island of Ireland.

Of course he did know about the famine, apparantly to mock it.

I think you're over estimating how much the average English person knows about their own country, history or regional culture.

But yes he knew about the famine. The less an English person knows about Ireland, the more likely the famine is to be the main thing they know about Ireland.

The famine led to massive Irish immigration to England. It had a far bigger impact IN England than the Irish we of independence. Everyone on England knows about the famine - they know fcuk all about how it happened or what it meant to Ireland. As Alan Partridge said "if it was just the potatoes effected. At the end of the day, you will pay the price if you're a fussy eater".

dodderangler · 15-10-2019 8:47pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

The sooner people realise that racism (also) applies to ethnic superiority the better. Certainly it did in the past.

I mean race doesn’t exist. Ethnic groups do.

Are you one of them that says race equals all humans?
If so don’t reply. I have no time for people living in a fantasy world!

pinkyeye · 15-10-2019 9:15pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

You compared a country to a region there, hoping we wouldn’t notice.

Yeah, what the hell like?

18-10-2019 9:56am

parc wrote: »

He's just a wanker.

Probably an ex-army guy

You only hear this type of stuff from working class essex people or ex-army guys over 55.

Yeah, he does sound like a wanker.

I hate those type of guys that just use insults and generalise.

jimgoose · 18-10-2019 11:08am

'E's only a fackin' fackin' cant, innit:

mobileforest · 05-11-2019 8:17am

anewme wrote: »

That you need to be careful about telling Irish jokes in Newfoundland as there are a lot of Irish there, who tried to avoid the potatoe famine.

Also comments as to why there was a new enquiry on Bloody Sunday, it was a war casualty.

Naaa. Newfoundlanders are not famine Irish, their ancestors left Ireland in the 17th and 18th century. By the time of the famine occurred there were more economically viable places to emigrate to such as America and Canada (19th century Newfoundland was not a part of Canada). Also, they are more likely to identify as Newfoundlander than Irish or English thus a Newfie joke more likely to annoy them than an Irish joke (not because they are easily offended but because at least in my experience hearing a mainlander tell a Newfie joke is like hearing a joke you and your friends told each other since you were 5 poorly delivered by a grown man who can't tell a joke). Cant speak for the young ones now though. Being offended seems to be in vogue everywhere these days.

anewme · 05-11-2019 11:37pm

Reminded me to give a quick update.

Over the next 10 days, the guy got himself into a bit of trouble by insulting people. One of the group was getting some salad and he shouted across the table "that's enough, that has to do six other people". The person was clearly shocked but said nothing back.

The Tour Leader was told in another Restaurant not to return with visitors him again. He had ordered a load of food, then when it arrived, he denied that was what he ordered and told them to "take it away" and then when the waitress asked if he was finished, loudly said "I want dessert NOW!". The Tour Guide said the people were "fiery" and would not entertain this conduct and he quickly added "like the Irish" and laughed.

In another bar, there was a couple (black man and white woman) having a drink. The woman was English and was chatting to our group making conversation but the man was African. For some reason, he chose this exact time to start going on loudly about Africans and Ugandans (!) The black guy kept turning around and glaring at him clearly really annoyed and the Guide had to stop him or the black guy was going to come over and take him on.

He insulted quite a lot of people and I would say about half pulled him up on it. As the time went on, you could see him going into Restaurants, shops, Hotels etc and knowing he was likely to insult someone, waiting to see their reaction was funny.

06-11-2019 12:17am

The old sneering centuries of Punch-style racist supremacy over the Irish doesn't have the same potency it had in the glory days of Empire.

We are blessed that we've had people in our past to fight to break the power of those people over us. It takes a special type of superstar cúnt to attempt to legitimise and commemorate the thugs who served that Empire.

anewme · 06-11-2019 12:25am

Deleted User wrote: »

The old sneering centuries of Punch-style racist supremacy over the Irish doesn't have the same potency it had in the glory days of Empire.

Exactly that attitude. Dying breed.

Montage of Feck · 06-11-2019 12:25am

Ever had an Irish car bomb?

Tony EH · 07-11-2019 4:11am

anewme wrote: »

Am on a group holiday...only Irish person...something comes up about electric cars and I say about the plans for Ireland and 2030 bans.

One English person in the group pipes up with..”oh, are you not still all on donkeys?”

I told him I wasn’t putting up with this **** and left the table.

He mentioned the famine earlier at dinner too.

Tour leader taking it as a joke.

Racist abuse or not?

Racist? No.

A bad attempt at a joke? Yes.

I'll tell what racist is. It's being in a bar in London in the 90's and being called a pig eyed mick by someone who heard our accents, then being jumped on outside said pub and having ten shades knocked out of me.

An Claidheamh · 22-11-2019 6:53pm

anewme wrote: »

Reminded me to give a quick update.

Over the next 10 days, the guy got himself into a bit of trouble by insulting people. One of the group was getting some salad and he shouted across the table "that's enough, that has to do six other people". The person was clearly shocked but said nothing back.

The Tour Leader was told in another Restaurant not to return with visitors him again. He had ordered a load of food, then when it arrived, he denied that was what he ordered and told them to "take it away" and then when the waitress asked if he was finished, loudly said "I want dessert NOW!". The Tour Guide said the people were "fiery" and would not entertain this conduct and he quickly added "like the Irish" and laughed.

In another bar, there was a couple (black man and white woman) having a drink. The woman was English and was chatting to our group making conversation but the man was African. For some reason, he chose this exact time to start going on loudly about Africans and Ugandans (!) The black guy kept turning around and glaring at him clearly really annoyed and the Guide had to stop him or the black guy was going to come over and take him on.

He insulted quite a lot of people and I would say about half pulled him up on it. As the time went on, you could see him going into Restaurants, shops, Hotels etc and knowing he was likely to insult someone, waiting to see their reaction was funny.

Guy just sounds like real delinquent, maybe some behavioural problem or hooligan element.

I suppose just group nervously laughed with him in beginning, but then soon realised he needs to shut up.

There are certainly some Irish who defend that behaviour from British (but would give out if it was an Irish person) - who reek of an inferiority complex, read British tabloids, probably wear poppies, refer to themselves as 'Paddies'.

Nice to hear he made the rest uncomfortable aswell.

Paddy Cow · 22-11-2019 7:49pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Guy just sounds like real delinquent, maybe some behavioural problem or hooligan element.

I suppose just group nervously laughed with him in beginning, but then soon realised he needs to shut up.

There are certainly some Irish who defend that behaviour from British (but would give out if it was an Irish person) - who reek of an inferiority complex, read British tabloids, probably wear poppies, refer to themselves as 'Paddies'.

Nice to hear he made the rest uncomfortable aswell.

Thankfully I've never met one Irish person who would defend that type of behaviour.

cryptocurrency · 22-11-2019 9:37pm

It's amazing Irish people are oblivious at just how rude the Irish are to the British who live here

fryup · 22-11-2019 9:39pm

yep, a british person in particular english would get a much harder time of it over here than an irish person in the UK

cryptocurrency · 22-11-2019 9:41pm

fryup wrote: »

yep, a british person in particular english would get a much harder time of it over here than an irish person in the UK

Along with travellers it seems it is the only perfectly acceptable racism in Irish society at all levels.

Things i have heard I would genuinely fear if I was a unionist in the north with a united ireland looming. Their views are dismissed altogether and always countered with things along the lines of "they shouldn't be there" or "who gives a f$ck what they think".

Paddy Cow · 22-11-2019 10:30pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

It's amazing Irish people are oblivious at just how rude the Irish are to the British who live here

Imagine the amount of bullying English kids suffered down through the years, just for the crime of being English.

jimgoose · 22-11-2019 10:33pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Imagine the amount of bullying English kids suffered down through the years, just for the crime of being English.

Furkin' right, Paddy. Like a first cousin of mine, same name as me, and him with a Yorkshire accent.

decky1 · 22-11-2019 10:38pm

this is the way society has gone the least thing and their offended, enjoy your holiday , and give as good as you get , their like Murphy's dog they can give it but they can't take it.

The Highwayman · 22-11-2019 11:20pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

It's amazing Irish people are oblivious at just how rude the Irish are to the British who live here

I'm sure they know where the airport is.

Justin Credible Darts · 22-11-2019 11:56pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Along with travellers it seems it is the only perfectly acceptable racism in Irish society at all levels.

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how is contempt for the criminal activities travellers are involved with Racism ?

Travellers are not a race either.

I despise all criminals, regardless of race, color, creed, etc

ILoveYourVibes · 23-11-2019 12:10am

anewme wrote: »

Am on a group holiday...only Irish person...something comes up about electric cars and I say about the plans for Ireland and 2030 bans.

One English person in the group pipes up with..”oh, are you not still all on donkeys?”

I told him I wasn’t putting up with this **** and left the table.

He mentioned the famine earlier at dinner too.

Tour leader taking it as a joke.

Racist abuse or not?

Hmm ...fine line ...it could be he is trying to be funny.

Racism is not just making a joke .or disliking people...its having a STIGMATIZED idea of a people based on something other than character

So if he really believed in a stigmatized idea of Irish people. Then yes its bigoted.

I mean there would be lovely English people who like Irish people but would make the odd funny joke etc ...that's fine.

Paddy Cow · 23-11-2019 12:16am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Hmm ...fine line ...it could be he is trying to be funny.

Racism is not just making a joke .or disliking people...its having a STIGMATIZED idea of a people based on something other than character

So if he really believed in a stigmatized idea of Irish people. Then yes its bigoted.

I mean there would be lovely English people who like Irish people but would make the odd funny joke etc ...that's fine.

I think you should read the whole thread. The op posted updates and the guy he was talking about turned out to be a total as$hole who upset nearly everyone he met.

ILoveYourVibes · 23-11-2019 12:24am

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I think you should read the whole thread. The op posted updates and the guy he was talking about turned out to be a total as$hole who upset nearly everyone he met.

Oh he is someone with a problem then.

Interestingly i find Irish people tend to exalt the British particularly the eton educated tribe. We credit them subconsciously with a lot more than they warrant with their lack of intelligence and behavior sometimes.

Whereas the perception of Irish people in the UK baffles me sometimes. Apparently if you have an Irish accent you are dumb. And you are more likely to steal.

cryptocurrency · 23-11-2019 12:37am

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

how is contempt for the criminal activities travellers are involved with Racism ?

Travellers are not a race either.

I despise all criminals, regardless of race, color, creed, etc

Neither are the british a race.
You won't find me disagreeing with that. They are not a race and have a crazy amount of criminals per capita. The point I was making is that as a society at all class levels we pussy foot around race or group issues and as soon as travelers are mentioned the conversation changes and I must admit I am often in such company and say nothing (as my experiences with travelers has also been negative) but also notice the same is said when bashing the british. This is ingrained in Irish society and transcends all class barriers. A good brit bash can endear you to all parts of the group.

Original point I made if is far harder to be a brit in Ireland now then a Irish person in the UK now and if you are reading this and thinking it's their own fault then you are proving my point exactly.

It's rife here, and so socially acceptable it's never even registered my most as even an issue in conversation.

Just an observation. It does make any protests by most irish people in discrimination null and void.

Justin Credible Darts · 23-11-2019 12:42am

I dont find the english are that badly treated...

I worked with a few of them, all cockney lads, and in the pub once , one of them was mouthing off about the foreigners coming here to ireland and ripping of the state in handouts.
when someone said you are a foreigner, he replied, he was not only paying tax but was an employer doing his bit for the country he now calls home

cryptocurrency · 23-11-2019 12:45am

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I dont find the english are that badly treated...

I worked with a few of them, all cockney lads, and in the pub once , one of them was mouthing off about the foreigners coming here to ireland and ripping of the state in handouts.
when someone said you are a foreigner, he replied, he was not only paying tax but was an employer doing his bit for the country he now calls home

That old chestnut, the same story has been regaled about irish men in the UK like a million times.

I presume you will swear blind you witnessed this and its not an old wives tale as if this is new and interesting information

Justin Credible Darts · 23-11-2019 12:48am

cryptocurrency wrote: »

That old chestnut, the same story has been regaled about irish men in the UK like a million times.

I presume you will swear blind you witnessed this and its not an old wives tale as if this is new and interesting information

do you have trouble reading ?
I already stated I was working with them and in the pub.

Why would I make this up, what benefit is there for me to lie ?

cryptocurrency · 23-11-2019 12:49am

It's worth noting that I am not disputing your story but it's like the oldest one in history.

Your story works both ways, it's nothing more then a snapshot of you limited experiences, like the rest but the fact of the point I made still remains.

99.9% of honest UK in Ireland people will agree...once they are not in a pub telling you what you want to hear after a few pints.

cryptocurrency · 23-11-2019 12:51am

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

do you have trouble reading ?
I already stated I was working with them and in the pub.

Why would I make this up, what benefit is there for me to lie ?

Go on, tell me honestly that after the last two posts you are not reading them and thinking stuff you won't type or that frankly you don't care about what i think.

Justin Credible Darts · 23-11-2019 12:52am

I am not saying some brits dont get grief, but in my social circle it was never a problem, certainly not in this year, unlike say the 80's.

Its the romanians I see get the most negativity, and with my dealings with those its all warranted

katiek102010 · 23-11-2019 1:01am

Whereas the perception of Irish people in the UK baffles me sometimes. Apparently if you have an Irish accent you are dumb. And you are more likely to steal.[/QUOTE]

I found that so frustrating over there and the irony is the UK education system is dire. Its disgraceful really. My son was in school there until year 5 (3rd class here) when he started here he was so far behind. He is in 5th here now and still playing catch up.
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I had to produce my leaving cert results and uni transcripts for a job once and they accused me of forging the leaving cert results. If they do A levels the avg is 2

ILoveYourVibes · 23-11-2019 1:05am

That old chestnut, the same story has been regaled about irish men in the UK like a million times.

Yep.

I was told a story once by an Irish woman who was a nurse. She said during the 70s most nurses working in London hospitals on night shifts were Irish much like immigrants from elsewhere now.

She said during the IRA bombing campaign all the hospitals had Irish nurses. And all the victims were cared for by Irish nurses. But she said all the British nurses refused to work with Irish nurses

In the 70s during the Birmingham bomb all the british nurses refused to work with the irish nurses for 4 days. Until the management said they were endangering patients.

Can you imagine if that had happened to muslim nurses or drs now?

cryptocurrency · 23-11-2019 1:27am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yep.

I was told a story once by an Irish woman who was a nurse. She said during the 70s most nurses working in London hospitals on night shifts were Irish much like immigrants from elsewhere now.

She said during the IRA bombing campaign all the hospitals had Irish nurses. And all the victims were cared for by Irish nurses. But she said all the British nurses refused to work with Irish nurses

In the 70s during the Birmingham bomb all the british nurses refused to work with the irish nurses for 4 days. Until the management said they were endangering patients.

Can you imagine if that had happened to muslim nurses or drs now?

thats a really bad example and one that only backs up my point.

Is that really the first thing that came to your mind when you read my post?

El_Duderino 09 · 23-11-2019 1:39am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Oh he is someone with a problem then.

Interestingly i find Irish people tend to exalt the British particularly the eton educated tribe. We credit them subconsciously with a lot more than they warrant with their lack of intelligence and behavior sometimes.

Whereas the perception of Irish people in the UK baffles me sometimes. Apparently if you have an Irish accent you are dumb. And you are more likely to steal.

Completely depends on the UK people you're talking about. I lived in the town centre of a not great part of the UK while in uni, and worked with working/benefits class people. They had all the stereotype ideas of Irish people in lieu of actual knowledge. They made the same tired jokes that only scratch the surface of history (potato jokes but don't know where the association came from) made jokes but then asked which past of Ireland was which (British or not).

It's hard to build on the conceit when its so poor. And I can say I heard so many bad Irish jokes (but they were almost all meant in good faith) that almost none are original or remotely funny.

After uni I worked in a middle class public sector job and it was completely different. They actually learned your name instead of saying one of the English approximations. They tended to know the basics of Irish history and if thy had Irish ancestry, they actually knew the complexity of Anglo Irish relations.

I still don't think there are many really good Irish jokes. Jokes about nationality are OK, but they're so impersonal and so far from being interesting that they're usually the hallmark of a moron.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-11-2019 1:41am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yep.

I was told a story once by an Irish woman who was a nurse. She said during the 70s most nurses working in London hospitals on night shifts were Irish much like immigrants from elsewhere now.

She said during the IRA bombing campaign all the hospitals had Irish nurses. And all the victims were cared for by Irish nurses. But she said all the British nurses refused to work with Irish nurses

In the 70s during the Birmingham bomb all the british nurses refused to work with the irish nurses for 4 days. Until the management said they were endangering patients.

Can you imagine if that had happened to muslim nurses or drs now?

Hard to imagine that happening now. It's a clear sign things have progressed for the better, right?

ILoveYourVibes · 23-11-2019 2:08am

katiek102010 wrote: »

Whereas the perception of Irish people in the UK baffles me sometimes. Apparently if you have an Irish accent you are dumb. And you are more likely to steal.

I found that so frustrating over there and the irony is the UK education system is dire. Its disgraceful really. My son was in school there until year 5 (3rd class here) when he started here he was so far behind. He is in 5th here now and still playing catch up.
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I had to produce my leaving cert results and uni transcripts for a job once and they accused me of forging the leaving cert results. If they do A levels the avg is 2[/QUOTE]

I know. I know someone who tried UNI in the UK but was dismayed to find out that everything they were doing in first year she had done in 5th year. Thankfully a place opened up here.

I also have two friends who taught over in the UK. They lamented at the state of things and the poor expectations they have of students.

Paddy Cow · 23-11-2019 2:11am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Oh he is someone with a problem then.

Interestingly i find Irish people tend to exalt the British particularly the eton educated tribe. We credit them subconsciously with a lot more than they warrant with their lack of intelligence and behavior sometimes.

Whereas the perception of Irish people in the UK baffles me sometimes. Apparently if you have an Irish accent you are dumb. And you are more likely to steal.

I had to google "exalt" and this is what I got :

1 think or speak very highly of (someone or something).

2 raise to a higher rank or position.

What part of Ireland are you living in where Irish people think higher of British people, especially those with an Eton education? How do we credit them subconsciously? British English people are not thought to be superior in Ireland. And I've never met an Irish person who held an English person in awe, just because they went to Eton. Where do you pull this shyte from?

ILoveYourVibes · 23-11-2019 2:13am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Hard to imagine that happening now. It's a clear sign things have progressed for the better, right?

Actually in a way no things are getting worse.

My godmother is actually the least sensitive person to offense ever and would be quite ..no nonsense to that sort of thing..yet she was telling my mother over the phone a few weeks ago there is a lot of anti Irish sentiment in the UK right now.

Its in the papers and on the radio and some of the tv stations.

The attitude of some people has changed and she has noticed it when dealing with british people who don't know her when they hear her they might say something.

She lives in an old victorian house and works in theater her husband works in production ...she was told recently she had 'sponged' all this off the govt and the attitude is she shouldn't have the right to stay or keep her job after brexit.

Some british people don't seem to get that her and her husband bought their own house paid their own mortgage etc and they have a right to their property and home and jobs.

She would not be a leftie liberal ...and anyone telling Irish jokes etc wouldn't bother her. She is my yard stick ..if SHE says there is anti Irish sentiment ..then there is.

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