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RTE documentary and the wrath of God

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭cantalach


    Just stumbled across this thread because it is in the popular threads list. Stunned at some of the things said by the OP. Does boards.ie not have any hate speech rules??


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,108 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    cantalach wrote: »
    Just stumbled across this thread because it is in the popular threads list. Stunned at some of the things said by the OP. Does boards.ie not have any hate speech rules??

    Nurses and children aren't covered by hate speech.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Dumping is a subjective term. I guess one could say that when anyone is buried in a grave, they get dumped. They would be wrong of course.

    Is it really?
    Would you bury your family members in a sewage tank, I know I wouldn't and neither would anyone I know.
    Only a sick, sick f**k would treat the remains of people like that.

    Lets look at an official report on the actions of the church shall we - https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/04/17/death-in-tuam/
    Lets first talk about Tuam from the official report released on the 17th April:
    Two structures were discovered. The location of the first structure discovered corresponds with the location of what is described as the “Sewage Tank” on the older Ordnance Survey and title maps.

    This structure had at some point been deliberately filled with a large deposit of stones, almost to the upper edges

    In relation to the structure which was clearly described as a sewage tank on maps
    …Without a full excavation it is not possible to conclusively say what was the exact engineering purpose of the structures but the Commission considers that it is very likely that it was sewerage related. This view is corroborated by some of the scientific testing carried out at the request of the Commission and described below.

    What was inside?
    Human skeletal remains were immediately visible. Further excavations revealed more lids and, when they were removed, more human skeletal remains were found in the chambers underneath.

    Lets talk about the nearby work house used as part of Tuam.
    The Commission has established that a total of 973 children from the Children’s Home died either in Glenamaddy [nearby workhouse] in the Tuam Home itself or in a hospital or institution soon after they were transferred there from Tuam.

    Of these, 79 children died in Glenamaddy. The Glenamaddy workhouse had its own burial ground so it is likely that the children who died there are buried in that burial ground. However, there is no burial register available for the period in question so this cannot be verified.

    Now, what about the mothers in Tuam who the nuns looked down on as scum of the earth
    Twelve mothers who were resident in the Tuam Home died, the majority from complications of childbirth; some died in the Home itself and some in the Central Hospital, Galway. It is not known who took responsibility for the burial of these mothers.

    If the Central Hospital took responsibility for the burials it would be expected that they would be recorded in Bohermore cemetery but the Commission did not find any record of these burials there.


    Countless bodies not accounted for, but lots of remains found dumped in a sewage tank




    Oh and these awful actions were not limited to Tuam and children, lets look at Bessborough House for a moment
    This morning’s report also found that, between 1927 and 1985, 12 adult women, who were former residents of Bessborough and whose deaths were not childbirth related, were buried in St Joseph’s Cemetery.

    One of these women entered Bessborough in 1922 at the age of 20 and remained there until she died in 1984. Another of the women started living in Bessborough, aged 21, in 1924 and remained there until her death in 1985.

    They did a fantastic stealing these people's lives, :mad:
    The commission also identified the deaths of 14 mothers who lived in Bessborough – nine of whom died of pregnancy or childbirth-related reasons. However the commission was unable to established the burial place of these 14 women.

    Oh look, just like Tuam....its almost like the nuns did the same thing and had plans to follow. Amazing.



    Now, lets talk about childrens bodies and how they've "disappeared"....
    More than 900 children who were born in, or admitted to, Bessborough died in infancy or early childhood.

    The report states it had been “assumed by former residents and advocacy groups” that the children who died in the home were buried in a small burial ground on the grounds of Bessborough.

    But, the commission said, from “an early stage”, the commission believed this was unlikely – as the area wasn’t big enough and because it was unlikely the children would be buried in the same burial ground as the congregation.

    It has since only been able to establish that just one child was buried in the congregation’s burial ground.

    After examining burial records of separate burial grounds in Cork city, the commission also established that, between 1922 and 1929, 54 children who died in Bessborough were buried in St Joseph’s Cemetery on the Tory Top Road in Cork; two infants who lived in Bessborough were buried in St Michael’s Cemetery in Blackrock, Cork in 1958 and 1986; at least one child was buried in Cork District Cemeteray, Carr’s Hill; and four children who had an association with Bessborough were buried in St Finbarr’s Cemetery in Cork.

    “A number of members of the congregation provided affidavits and/or oral evidence to the Commission. They were able to provide remarkably little evidence about burial arrangements.

    “The congregation told the Commission that the burial ground in Bessborough was opened in 1956 for deceased members of the congregation and the congregation does not know where the vast majority of the children who died in Bessborough are buried.

    The Commission has not seen any evidence that the approval of the Minister for Local Government for the opening of this burial ground was sought or granted as required by the Local Government (Sanitary Services) Act 1948.

    “A member of the congregation who was in Bessborough for most of the period 1948-1998 told the Commission that she did not remember any child deaths during her time there but she implied that the children who did die there were buried in the congregation burial ground.

    In the years 1950-1960 (inclusive), 31 children died in Bessborough so it is rather surprising that she does not remember any deaths.

    Another congregation member who was in Bessborough from 1978-1985 told the Commission that one baby died during her time there. She said that the manager of the maternity hospital (who was also a member of the congregation) “took over the arrangements for the burial”.

    “She “vaguely remembered” that the mother wanted the baby buried in St Michael’s Cemetery but she did not know where the baby was actually buried.

    The Commission has established that there is no record of this baby in St Michael’s burial records. She did not remember if the mother’s family was involved in the burial arrangements but she was clear that the congregation had bought the coffin for the baby.

    “In evidence to the Commission, a member of the congregation who was there in the 1980s said that there were two children buried in the burial ground during her time there and a third was disinterred elsewhere and reinterred in this ground.

    Another member of the congregation who was in Bessborough for a period in 1971 and again between 1975 and 1981 swore an affidavit in which she said that she remembered one child who died and was buried in the congregation’s plot in the grounds.

    “The recollections of these two congregation members seem to be incorrect In fact, it would appear that there is only one child buried in the congregation’s burial ground and that burial took place in 1994.

    “The burial ground has some individual memorials to other children who died in Bessborough but it is unlikely that they are buried in this plot.

    “It is possible that children who died in Bessborough were buried within the grounds. However, to date, the Commission has found no physical or documentary evidence which indicates that this occurred.”

    So thats 100's of childrens body's unaccounted for,

    Oh and the report goes on...
    The Commission examined vertical aerial photography taken by the Irish Air Corps in 1951. This series includes high resolution aerial photography of the Bessborough Estate.

    “The majority of child deaths at Bessborough occurred before 1951 (over 700 and it would be reasonable to expect that, if there were burials there, an aerial photograph taken in February 1951 would show up some ground disturbance, or anomaly on the landscape.

    “If over 700 children were buried on the Bessborough Estate before 1951 the aerial photograph would be expected to give some indication of where the remains are located.

    “The aerial photographs of the Bessborough site were examined by forensic archaeologists who determined that no visible features on the Bessborough landscape were indicative of any obvious site hosting the remains of such a large number of children.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    He follows the RCC line of hating women, children and gays. That's his religious duty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Cabaal wrote:
    Oh and the report goes on...


    All of which will be ignored by the OP and they will go on to deflect to wider society somehow even blaming the victims as they defend their church. You're wasting your time tbh.


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    All of which will be ignored by the OP and they will go on to deflect to wider society somehow even blaming the victims as they defend their church. You're wasting your time tbh.

    Most likely,
    What worries me most is as others see this thread and read it it does nothing for Catholics who are disgusted by the crimes of the church.

    I'm not religious, but I wish more catholics would speak out about how disgusted they are by these criminal events and call out the hate by the likes of realitykeeper


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    You don't dump a body in a grave, the term is lay to rest. However the creatures that ran the home in Guam are responsible for the 'dumping' of children's bodies into a septic tank.

    Not so. The Holy Nuns lovingly laid them to rest and they would hardly have even known where the septic tank was so its proximity would have been the fault of the workmen who put it near burial ground. Even if it was labeled septic tank on some map somewhere, it is hardly reasonable to expect the nuns to assume that was its nominal location or indeed its intended purpose. Modern day secularists tend to go for cremation, isn`t that what the Nazis did as well?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    BloodBath wrote: »
    You have to be trolling at this stage. 25-30k is not a lavish salary by any means for the amount of work required and the type of stressful work that it is.

    We pay our nurses among the lowest in the west as well.

    Well then, how about they do it for the love of God instead of the 25-30K, that would bring them up to par with the Holy Nuns of yesteryear.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,434 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Not so. The Holy Nuns lovingly laid them to rest and they would hardly have even known where the septic tank was so its proximity would have been the fault of the workmen who put it near burial ground. Modern day secularists tend to go for cremation, isn`t that what the Nazis did as well?

    Would love to see your evidence for this claim please.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    cantalach wrote: »
    Just stumbled across this thread because it is in the popular threads list. Stunned at some of the things said by the OP. Does boards.ie not have any hate speech rules??

    I was thinking the same thing myself!


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  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Would love to see your evidence for this claim please.

    Asked for evidence for another claim by the op, he didn't like being asked for it and didn't provide, so you might be waiting.


  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If I had condoned child abuse, you would have quoted me saying it. I suggest you go to confession.

    Plenty already pointed it out.

    After you and take care not to scald yourself with the holy water.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,434 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Asked for evidence for another claim by the op, he didn't like being asked for it and didn't provide, so you might be waiting.

    Its his standard tactic in any of the many ridiculous threads he has started.


  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its his standard tactic in any of the many ridiculous threads he has started.

    Yep, seems to be a common trait among posters of a particular ilk.


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Not so. The Holy Nuns lovingly laid them to rest and they would hardly have even known where the septic tank was so its proximity would have been the fault of the workmen who put it near burial ground. Even if it was labeled septic tank on some map somewhere, it is hardly reasonable to expect the nuns to assume that was its nominal location or indeed its intended purpose.

    This is untrue.

    It was a disused former cesspit, they used it purposely as a mausoleum. A lot easier than digging graves. Cheaper, too... and no coffins either.

    They did not record the burials in accordance with law.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 47,282 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Modern day secularists tend to go for cremation, isn`t that what the Nazis did as well?

    Cremation is the preferred funeral rite of Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and others. Does that make them Nazis?


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,211 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    This is untrue.

    It was a disused former cesspit, they used it purposely as a mausoleum. A lot easier than digging graves. Cheaper, too... and no coffins either.

    They did not record the burials in accordance with law.
    In summary....nuns a great bunch of girls.
    Just bad at keeping records.

    Ffs....


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,296 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Is the OP's real name Bill Donohue by any chance? This Irish-American claimed that the story about babies buried in Tuam was a hoax. He also downplayed the Ryan Report


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    gmisk wrote: »
    In summary....nuns a great bunch of girls.
    Just bad at keeping records.

    I'm not defending them. Far from it.

    They did not treat these children with the dignity in death that is supposed to be part of Christianity.

    They also did not obey the criminal laws surrounding burials, and this is a serious matter.

    They placed as little value on these children in death as they did in life, spend the absoloute minimum on them while raking in money from the councils, families, slave labour, and not to mention illegal baby trafficking.

    I doubt the charter would permit me to express what I really think of them.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,296 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Not all nuns are bad though


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭cantalach


    Nurses and children aren't covered by hate speech.

    Perhaps not, but homophobia is.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Not so. The Holy Nuns lovingly laid them to rest and they would hardly have even known where the septic tank was so its proximity would have been the fault of the workmen who put it near burial ground. Even if it was labeled septic tank on some map somewhere, it is hardly reasonable to expect the nuns to assume that was its nominal location or indeed its intended purpose. Modern day secularists tend to go for cremation, isn`t that what the Nazis did as well?

    The septic tank predates the nuns. That's well documented.

    Accordingly the septic tank already existed and the nuns used it to dump bodies into it belong to those "dirty" unmarried women. It's a fact that the nuns and church looked down on these so called "fallen" women.

    On your last point, Cremation predates the catholic church and was used in Ireland and countless countries around the world.

    Are you honestly being so thick and stupid as to compare all these countless cultures and people to nazis?

    I'm assuming you are not that thick and stupid, but it would be nice if you could clarify if you actually think cremation = bad or evil like you've suggested above.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭Conar


    When you say "spared" it is important to be clear. What matters is the next life. This life is insignificant by comparison so we and everyone we know could suffer horrific deaths but so long as we are redeemed, that is what is really important. Being spared in this life would be a nice bonus but of course most people will not understand this because we are so fixated with this life. Our love of this life and the things of this world are rather like the beggar who cannot see the value of work and effort but instead is fixated on other people giving him change.

    Just stumbled across this on the front page.

    OP, if this life really is a short stint before eternal heaven or hell and God uses it to judge our actions to decide where we'll end up, why does he intervene with plagues and disasters?
    If people have free will and can repent is he not robbing them of that chance?
    If he knows already how they'll fare do we have free will?
    If our life here is short and he lives outside of time why doesn't he just let the short stint play til the end and then judge us as individuals?
    Why even would he bother with a rapture if he can just hit us with the odd disaster when necessary? Is there a max number of souls heaven can permit or something.

    You believe in 2 life's, most of us are much happier to take the bird in the hand over 2 in the burning bush.
    Why not just be happy to be able to hog God to yourselves in your ever diminishing elite club?


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,101 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Can't think of a better time to rewatch "life of Brian"....

    So much truth in that movie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Not so. The Holy Nuns lovingly laid them to rest and they would hardly have even known where the septic tank was so its proximity would have been the fault of the workmen who put it near burial ground. Even if it was labeled septic tank on some map somewhere, it is hardly reasonable to expect the nuns to assume that was its nominal location or indeed its intended purpose. Modern day secularists tend to go for cremation, isn`t that what the Nazis did as well?


    Please stop lying and deflecting, btw the actions of the nuns were anything but holy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,211 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Not so. The Holy Nuns lovingly laid them to rest and they would hardly have even known where the septic tank was so its proximity would have been the fault of the workmen who put it near burial ground. Even if it was labeled septic tank on some map somewhere, it is hardly reasonable to expect the nuns to assume that was its nominal location or indeed its intended purpose. Modern day secularists tend to go for cremation, isn`t that what the Nazis did as well?
    What exactly do you think the nuns thought it was they were putting these bodies into? Why werent they burying them and keeping records?

    Comparing secularists to Nazis because of cremation....is just truly bizarre, absolutely disgusting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,108 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Can't think of a better time to rewatch "life of Brian"....

    So much truth in that movie.

    Last Friday was the perfect time.

    Apparently, it's illegal to have a public viewing of it in one or two German districts.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,108 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    cantalach wrote: »
    Perhaps not, but homophobia is.

    Haven't seen him post anything homophobic, but admittedly I haven't read everything he's written.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Haven't seen him post anything homophobic, but admittedly I haven't read everything he's written.

    Doesn't like gay people being in public

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109912031&postcount=13


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,296 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Last Friday was the perfect time.

    Apparently, it's illegal to have a public viewing of it in one or two German districts.

    Which districts?


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