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Dáil => Dawl or Doyle?

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  • #52
    An Sionnach Glic
    Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭An Sionnach Glic


    Pronunciation at this link in the three main dialects:

    http://www.teanglann.ie/en/fuaim/d%C3%A1il


  • #53
    Day Lewin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,688 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    And - ugh - on a related note: every morning, my teeth on edge when Keelin Shanley says "Finna Fawl"

    I mean, seriously, when she is cooking does she use Aluminium Fawl?


  • #54
    David Webb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭David Webb


    Kate, you're right, that Fianna Fáil is mispronounced. Fáil is not Foyle.

    Fáil (genitive of Fál) is not the same word as in "le fáil", but it is a homophone, and "le fáil" can be heard at www teanglann ie /ga /guaim /le_fáil


    But Fianna is also mispronounced. There is a difference between Fianna and Fine (Fine Gael) --

    F+diphthong ia+broad n+a
    F+i+slender n+i


  • #55
    David Webb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭David Webb


    Fáil is one of the recorded words at fuaimeanna dot ie. Three high-quality speakers pronounce all the words there in 3 dialects.


  • #56
    David Webb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭David Webb


    Fuaimeanna also shows the pronunciation of Fine Gael, but for some reason the transcriptions there show that Fine has a slender n in the Western dialect, but a broad n in the Northern and Southern dialects. I don't know where they're getting this from, but presumably they have a reason for saying that.


  • #57
    dubhthach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    David Webb wrote: »
    Fuaimeanna also shows the pronunciation of Fine Gael, but for some reason the transcriptions there show that Fine has a slender n in the Western dialect, but a broad n in the Northern and Southern dialects. I don't know where they're getting this from, but presumably they have a reason for saying that.

    Nasc:
    http://fuaimeanna.ie/en/Recordings.aspx?Ortho=gael

    Na Cainteoirí
    http://fuaimeanna.ie/ga/Speakers.aspx

    Fáil
    http://fuaimeanna.ie/ga/Recordings.aspx?Ortho=f%u00e1il


  • #58
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    An File wrote: »
    It should be something closer to "daw-yil" really, but RTÉ presenters seem to be trained to call it the Doyle.

    same with fianna foyle and fine gwale

    that drives me mad


  • #59
    Day Lewin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,688 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Doyle is still better than Dawl, by a substantial margin.
    And Foyle , MUCH closer to the original than "Fawl."
    I mean, is Coil the same as Call?
    Toil the same as Tall?

    and as for Feena vs. Fianna? that is like saying Reely vs. Really. Spot the missing diphthong, the almost-an-extra-syllable. Reely!


  • #60
    David Webb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭David Webb


    katemarch wrote: »
    Doyle is still better than Dawl, by a substantial margin.
    And Foyle , MUCH closer to the original than "Fawl."
    I mean, is Coil the same as Call?
    Toil the same as Tall?

    and as for Feena vs. Fianna? that is like saying Reely vs. Really. Spot the missing diphthong, the almost-an-extra-syllable. Reely!

    Yes, as an approximation Foyle and Doyle probably do show the glide into the slender l at the end.


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  • #61
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    katemarch wrote: »
    Doyle is still better than Dawl, by a substantial margin.
    And Foyle , MUCH closer to the original than "Fawl."
    I mean, is Coil the same as Call?
    Toil the same as Tall?

    and as for Feena vs. Fianna? that is like saying Reely vs. Really. Spot the missing diphthong, the almost-an-extra-syllable. Reely!

    Is there such a word as reely?

    What do you mean reely vs. Really? 'Ea' and 'ee' in English are pronounced the EXACT same.
    E.g. meat beat treat real deal tea mean

    The old Ea sound can be heard in the pronunciation by some of "Tay, bayte, mayte' etc. For tea beat meat.

    One of the few exceptions in which the vowel sound never fully shifted is great.


  • #62
    David Webb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭David Webb


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Is there such a word as reely?

    What do you mean reely vs. Really? 'Ea' and 'ee' in English are pronounced the EXACT same.
    E.g. meat beat treat real deal tea mean

    The old Ea sound can be heard in the pronunciation by some of "Tay, bayte, mayte' etc. For tea beat meat.

    One of the few exceptions in which the vowel sound never fully shifted is great.

    Kate is clearly saying that, just as in the word "really", there is a diphthong in Fianna.


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