Fiesta ST 1.6 Ecoboost 180bhp 6 speed.

ianobrien · 09-05-2013 9:12pm

So for 26k, you could have a mid range Focus or Golf, or a Fiesta ST. I reckon it's not that expensive.

You never know, I had half a notion of changing my car, and I can either have a new blandmobile mid range Octavia or a new Fiesta ST. The ST is starting to get bloody tempting......

Edit - Yes I know I drive a (very) bland Almera but there is a petrolhead in me somewhere.

Leonard Hofstadter · 09-05-2013 10:02pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

VRT and VAT on VRT are to blame there. The base cost before taxes are similar.

I appreciate that, but I would still expect that when I'm paying €26k for what is after all a Fiesta (albeit a very quick one), that I would get a/c, and really it should have proper climate control.

jayok · 09-05-2013 10:12pm

Whoa - this is seriously cool! It simply is - 180BHP in a fiesta. 0-60 in 6.9 seconds.

For €26K you can keep your chipped TDI - gimme, gimme...

As for A/C - meah -

I'm delighted to see Ford do this - all current small cars are just gone boringly practical. We need a bit of spark in the car industry and with the output and emmissions at the right level they are showing real innovation here.

gowley · 09-05-2013 10:16pm

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/A5/A5-S-LIN/34713668129597420/advert?channel=CARS i think the road tax on this would be the same as the fiesta at 280e. reckon you would get ac to

jayok · 09-05-2013 10:18pm

gowley wrote: »

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/A5/A5-S-LIN/34713668129597420/advert?channel=CARS i think the road tax on this would be the same as the fiesta at 280e. reckon you would get ac to

Sorry, can you send me the link for a new A5 with 5 year manufacturer's warranty for €26K??

dar83 · 09-05-2013 10:19pm

gowley wrote: »

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/A5/A5-S-LIN/34713668129597420/advert?channel=CARS i think the road tax on this would be the same as the fiesta at 280e. reckon you would get ac to

Yeah because a 3 year old 2L Diesel Audi coupe is in the same bracket a brand new hot hatch/minihatch...

Tea 1000 · 09-05-2013 10:22pm

gowley wrote: »

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/A5/A5-S-LIN/34713668129597420/advert?channel=CARS i think the road tax on this would be the same as the fiesta at 280e. reckon you would get ac to

You can keep that ugly, high mileage ready to break sh!t heap with a badge like it's about to do something meaningful! I'll take the Fiesta, and see you at the finish-line! (Or a few miles back when I have to go back to pick what ever broke off your Audi and you up!)

gowley · 09-05-2013 10:22pm

dar83 wrote: »

Yeah because a 3 year old 2L Diesel Audi coupe is in the same bracket a brand new hot hatch/minihatch...

i thought it was much bigger!!!!!

Photoshop · 10-05-2013 6:38am

Compared to it's rivals it's a little bit expensive at 26k.

Fabia RS which also has 180bhp is 24k.

Opel Astra GTC 180bhp 24k

Renault Clio RS 24K

Corsa OPC 23k.

Citreon DS3 23K

I don't see the big deal.

Even VW are competing for price.

VW Polo GTI 180bhp 26k.

ShadowHearth · 10-05-2013 7:30am

Photoshop wrote: »

Compared to it's rivals it's a little bit expensive at 26k.

Fabia RS which also has 180bhp is 24k.

Opel Astra GTC 180bhp 24k

Renault Clio RS 24K

Corsa OPC 23k.

Citreon DS3 23K

I don't see the big deal.

Even VW are competing for price.

VW Polo GTI 180bhp 26k.

Yeah, but 26k buys you a small Ford hatchback spirit!

shortys94 · 10-05-2013 8:09am

I really like the ST, as others have said very refreshing to see, would rather see something like this on Irish roads rather than the basic spec cars you see everywhere

Ford really slipped up on the mondeo front though, the car isn't being released in Europe until the end of 2014 while it has been on us roads for 2 years now, a lot of lost sales I think, hopefully the st will sell a lil here to make up for it, I really like the design of the st and mondeo

starlit · 10-05-2013 7:02pm

I'd be very interested in this type of car with the exception of either petrol/diesel or lower engine power than 1.6 but higher than 1.0 they seem more affordable than the new yaris and just as economical! Fine for town/city and country driving but for longer journeys and motorways a fiesta might be bit better depending on yaris model like a luna. Ford cars are very popular and seem to be as good as the toyotas. They run well and reliable.

If I ever get a new car i'd have my eye on the new ford fiesta models really starting to like them and have seen a few of the newer models around and the older versions of the fiesta/focus.

shortys94 · 10-05-2013 7:32pm

Perhaps we could see the hot hatch taking hold of the Irish market in due course and see these everywhere :P

http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20130510-hatchback-from-hades

fletch · 23-05-2013 9:44pm

Ford Fiesta ST vs 208 GTi and Clio RS Video

Idbatterim · 23-05-2013 9:48pm

Might be tempted. Even the dreaded road tax is a relatively inexpensive group B1 (138g) so €280 p.a. Should be a fun car to drive.

26k and people are concerned with road tax? Id be more concerned with depreciation and loan interest, which puts tax in the halfpenny place!

dr.fuzzenstein · 23-05-2013 11:16pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

26k and people are concerned with road tax? Id be more concerned with depreciation and loan interest, which puts tax in the halfpenny place!

Road tax is so important that an awful lot of people will spend thousands to save hundreds.

Henry Ford III · 31-05-2013 1:45pm

Photoshop wrote: »

Compared to it's rivals it's a little bit expensive at 26k.

Fabia RS which also has 180bhp is 24k.

Opel Astra GTC 180bhp 24k

Renault Clio RS 24K

Corsa OPC 23k.

Citreon DS3 23K

I don't see the big deal.

Even VW are competing for price.

VW Polo GTI 180bhp 26k.

Just done a bit more research on this. Seems those figures and prices are out of date.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fiesta/63923/ford-fiesta-st-vs-208-gti-and-clio-rs

Fiesta ST has overboost for 30 seconds which allows almost 200bhp. Should be plenty for overtaking.

Price wise it's considerably cheaper than the recently updated Clio and Pug in the UK, so should be here too presumably.

I'm seriously tempted.

Henry Ford III · 24-09-2014 5:44pm

Time moves on and I'm about to order a new car for 2015.

The Fiesta has been facelifted recently and as of today Ford have confirmed the ST1 now has manual a/c as standard. My current Focus has dual zone cc and the difference for me at least is pretty negligable.

So a 151 red Fiesta ST1?............:D

Henry Ford III · 24-09-2014 6:03pm

Neilw · 24-09-2014 6:27pm

How much is the tax on it :pac:

galwaytt · 24-09-2014 7:03pm

A neighbour has a 141 one. Stunning car. I like that red in the pic. For gawds sake don't get a meh silver or grey

MuppetCheck · 24-09-2014 7:11pm

Lovely motor! Red is nice...or blue?

Henry Ford III · 24-09-2014 7:49pm

Neilw wrote: »

How much is the tax on it :pac:

€280 p.a. - not bad at all.

Neilw · 24-09-2014 9:18pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

€280 p.a. - not bad at all.

Lindsay Ford up north are mountune agents, be a sin not to remap it :cool:

ianobrien · 24-09-2014 10:14pm

Drove one a few months ago as part of the scouting to replace my car. On a smooth road the car was great fun, fantastic grip. The problem was that as soon as I hit a bump. The car was too hard I felt. It was so hard that it would bounce as soon as it hit a bump or pothole. For a blast down a backroad "full on" it was stunning, for day-to-day normal driving it was too hard and too uncomfortable.

Drive one before you put down a deposit. I haven't driven the new Zetec-S but I imagine that day-to-day it would be easier to live with compared to the ST.

(It's all a moot point with me as I bought a 184HP Leon FR afterwards. I felt that it was more composed down a bumpy backroad while still having plenty of grip and grunt. Oh some of the Ford Dealers should learn to return phone calls and follow through on promised test drives!)

Henry Ford III · 24-09-2014 10:20pm

Where did you manage to find one to test drive Ian?

Damien360 · 24-09-2014 10:30pm

ianobrien wrote: »

(It's all a moot point with me as I bought a 184HP Leon FR afterwards. I felt that it was more composed down a bumpy backroad while still having plenty of grip and grunt. Oh some of the Ford Dealers should learn to return phone calls and follow through on promised test drives!)

I had a Leon FR as my rental car for 2 weeks in Germany just last week. Stunning car. The power ! Took it out to 180 on the autobahn on a trip to Stuttgart. I thought it was a bit twitchy. I had to constantly correct the steering in a straight line. The one I had was fully loaded with satnav and mode of sport etc. nice interior mood lighting depending on mode. Fantastic power out of third gear. I would love one.

ianobrien · 24-09-2014 11:04pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Where did you manage to find one to test drive Ian?

It wasn't in a dealership anyway. It was a friend of a friend that had one and I got a short spin (couple of km) on both smooth and bumpy roads. I'm still waiting on three Ford dealers to come back to me with test drives in both ST and Zetec-S, months later.

ianobrien · 24-09-2014 11:07pm

Damien360 wrote: »

I thought it was a bit twitchy. I had to constantly correct the steering in a straight line.

Sports mode can make the steering twitchy at that kinda speeds. Knocking the car back to normal mode makes the steering less twitchy and more suitable for a motorway blast/cruise while still leaving a useful bit of grunt. Eco mode kills the power though.

24-09-2014 11:17pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Where did you manage to find one to test drive Ian?

Surely you don't intend ordering without a test drive? Obviously the user I'D suggests a bias and I know many devoted ford folk but Jesus like....

Henry Ford III · 24-09-2014 11:46pm

Augeo wrote: »

Surely you don't intend ordering without a test drive? Obviously the user I'D suggests a bias and I know many devoted ford folk but Jesus like....

I've ordered many new cars without test driving them in the past.

25-09-2014 12:13am

Once the blue oval is on the grill twill be grand ?
I actuallly know quite a few lads who do this or else have their mind made up prior to test drive and test nothing else. Ex ford workers and family of.

Henry Ford III · 25-09-2014 8:06am

Augeo wrote: »

Once the blue oval is on the grill twill be grand ?
I actuallly know quite a few lads who do this or else have their mind made up prior to test drive and test nothing else. Ex ford workers and family of.

Hopefully.

I've driven a 142 Fiesta Titanium 1.0 and also owned a 09 Fiesta 1.6 Zetec S, so I've a decent idea of their characteristics. The only concern I'd have is just how firm the new ST's suspension is. Having said that I owned an 06 Focus ST 2.5 and that was pretty good ride wise.

Zubeneschamali · 25-09-2014 8:46am

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Hopefully.

The only concern I'd have is just how firm the new ST's suspension is.

The guys at CAR magazine have one on long-term test. They nearly always love fast Fords, the current Focus is the only one I've seen them dislike, and they love the Fiesta ST.

But they do say that it is horribly uncomfortable:

So far the only consensus I have formed is that is chuffing uncomfortable. In fact, ludicrously so. Ben Whitworth’s Caterham has better, plusher seats and softer, more pliant suspension.
I drove to Waitrose the other day (see, they haven’t turned me yet), and it’s about half a mile away. By the time I got there, my back was aching and my outer thighs had a dull throb redolent of the onset of sciatica. On my way back out, I thought I might lug my boneless wild Alaskan Keta salmon fillets home by foot and send the wife to pick the car up, thus avoiding torture by Recaro, who it appears is not a seatmaker but an ancient eastern mystic skilled in pressure point torture.

Henry Ford III · 25-09-2014 11:32am

I'd expect a firm low speed ride from an ST, as it's set up to handle well and ride acceptably at higher speeds.

I've used those Recaro seats in the 06 Focus ST previously, and they were great. They planted you where you needed to be, and then held you there.

Zubeneschamali · 25-09-2014 11:39am

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I've used those Recaro seats in the 06 Focus ST previously, and they were great.

So have CAR magazine, on the 2008 Focus ST they said: the Recaro seats are excellent, if mounted a little high

So their problem is not Recaros in Fords, it is the Fiesta ST in particular.

Henry Ford III · 25-09-2014 11:49am

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

So have CAR magazine, on the 2008 Focus ST they said: the Recaro seats are excellent, if mounted a little high

So their problem is not Recaros in Fords, it is the Fiesta ST in particular.

I think the article is a tad tongue in cheek, and written by a older gent. In all the other reviews I've read the ride is described as firm but bearable, and the handling brilliant.

ianobrien · 25-09-2014 12:04pm

Well, HF if it is any harder than the Focus Zetec it's going to be horrid. I drove a Focus Zetec on 17" and on a typical bumpy backroad it was terrible. I couldn't go above 60kph without banging my head off the ceiling and the car was moving around the road as the bumps were throwing the car. The needed constant correction to maintain any speed above that. I drove the same road in the mk2 Escort at 50mph and that car was more comfortable and more composed. The Leon on 18" was infinitely more controlled and comfortable down the same road at 95kph.

I've found that current Fords are excellent on smooth roads but have trouble coping with undulating and broken/uneven surfaces at "normal" or even slightly spirited speeds. "Full Attack" they cope reasonably well but you can't drive that way all the time if you want to keep your licence.

When I drove the Focus I really wanted to like it but the lack of composure was the main reason I didn't go for one. Also, a stupid dashboard that robbed half the space up front was the final nail in the coffin

Henry Ford III · 25-09-2014 12:17pm

I have a 2014 Focus Titanium (same seats and suspension setup as a Zetec) on 17" wheels and it's fine.

p.s. I also have a MkII Escort RS2000 on 13" wheels (choice of steels or alloys)

ianobrien · 25-09-2014 12:24pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I have a 2014 Focus Titanium (same seats and suspension setup as a Zetec) on 17" wheels and it's fine.

p.s. I also have a MkII Escort RS2000 on 13" wheels (choice of steels or alloys)

Well, in my opinion it is far from fine. Smooth road, stunning. broken undulating back road far from fine. Then again, if everybody had the same opinion the world would be a dull place.

P.S. Maybe I was slightly flattered in the Escort on the same road. It's a Ghia with new standard suspension

Henry Ford III · 25-09-2014 12:36pm

A Ghia? There was never a MKII Escort Ghia. Sacrilege.

Neilw · 25-09-2014 12:56pm

No mountune remap then? Its ford approved

ianobrien · 25-09-2014 12:57pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

A Ghia? There was never a MKII Escort Ghia. Sacrilege.

Whats even worse, its a two door Ghia!

Henry Ford III · 25-09-2014 1:04pm

Neilw wrote: »

No mountune remap then? Its ford approved

I gave that a bit of thought and decided it's probably not a runner. 197bhp (on overboost) and advertised as the power output in the USA and other markets) is plenty I think.

Then there's costs and hastle, and it might make resale trickier down the line.

Henry Ford III · 25-09-2014 1:05pm

ianobrien wrote: »

Whats even worse, its a two door Ghia!

I take it back. There was indeed a MkII Ghia. Softly sprung by comparison to an RS2000.

MadYaker · 25-09-2014 1:09pm

Neilw wrote: »

Lindsay Ford up north are mountune agents, be a sin not to remap it :cool:

You'd probably want to wait for the 5 year warranty to run out before starting at that.

Still though, 180bhp in a fiesta sounds like fun to me, does it come in that lime green colour like the focus RS?

Henry Ford III · 25-09-2014 1:31pm

MadYaker wrote: »

You'd probably want to wait for the 5 year warranty to run out before starting at that.

Still though, 180bhp in a fiesta sounds like fun to me, does it come in that lime green colour like the focus RS?

Mountune is Ford approved so doesn't void the warranty I think.

Colours are Race Red, Panther Black, Fozen White, Spirit Blue and Molten Orange.

galwaytt · 25-09-2014 1:38pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Mountune is Ford approved so doesn't void the warranty I think.

Colours are Race Red, Panther Black, Fozen White, Spirit Blue and Molten Orange.

I think the local one here is the Molten Orange. Yum

Zubeneschamali · 25-09-2014 1:38pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I think the article is a tad tongue in cheek, and written by a older gent.

Hey, I haven't driven it. But that is something even a short test drive could tell you.

Like yourself, I'm not usually too worried about getting a test drive. A short one tells you very little, and a car that's a bit different takes a while to get used to anyhow, so things that annoy on a short trip might just be things you get used to.

Plus the new car smell sells every car anyhow

dar83 · 25-09-2014 2:52pm

Christ whatever you do don't get an ST1!

Get a decently kitted one, or the ST2 as the Irish market allows. It still pains me to see the amount of MkII Focus ST's that are bare bones and ST1 spec in this country.

Fiesta ST 1.6 Ecoboost 180bhp 6 speed.

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