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Leader of country caught up in blackface controversy.

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  • #152
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    From FB comments:

    "When I was a kid I dressed up as a witch, I feel bad now, I've just emailed Joan Burton and apologized."


    :pac::pac::pac:


  • #153
    piplip87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Can somebody please fill me in in what's racist about this ?

    Dressing up as a TV characters for fancy dress isn't racist. Unless he started doing Nazi Salutes or said I hate Indians while doing it.

    Is this that cultural appropriation thing again ? I seen a black man once drink a Guinness with a Jameson chaser ? Does that count ?


  • #154
    Jamiekelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭Jamiekelly


    Since when did an Irish forum become so hyper American? It's fairly cringey at this stage.


  • #155
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Jamiekelly wrote: »
    Since when did an Irish forum become so hyper American? It's fairly cringey at this stage.
    It's gotta be exhausting being that angry and outraged at Trump all of the time.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #156
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It's not racist FFS
    Now if Trump did it the libtards in the media would be all over him for it so I hope leos BFF gets it too


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  • #157
    Jamiekelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭Jamiekelly


    notobtuse wrote: »
    It's gotta be exhausting being that angry and outraged at Trump all of the time.

    What are you on about? I didn't even mention Trump :confused:

    But thanks for proving my point.


  • #158
    AllGunsBlazing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    piplip87 wrote: »
    Can somebody please fill me in in what's racist about this ?

    Dressing up as a TV characters for fancy dress isn't racist. Unless he started doing Nazi Salutes or said I hate Indians while doing it.

    Is this that cultural appropriation thing again ? I seen a black man once drink a Guinness with a Jameson chaser ? Does that count ?

    "Culturally insensitive", I believe is what the youngsters are it calling nowadays.

    Must admit I'm rather enjoying all of this. It's not that I even dislike him as a politician as much as I just dislike him. He just seems so incredibly smug.


  • #159
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    It's gotta be exhausting being that angry and outraged at Trump all of the time.

    It's not our fault you people elected a loolah who hates the general public and science.


  • #160
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    ELM327 wrote: »
    It's not racist FFS
    Now if Trump did it the libtards in the media would be all over him for it so I hope leos BFF gets it too

    Who's defending him? Your nose is out of joint because nobody is.
    Seriously man, lay off the Republican propaganda. Is Leo friends with 'King of the lefties'? If Leo really messes up will he be a commie or something? :rolleyes:
    Funny how pretty much every country is run by a right winger yet right wingers see conspiracy everywhere. Maybe pick better stooges to make leaders.


  • #161
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    piplip87 wrote: »
    Can somebody please fill me in in what's racist about this ?

    In my opinion nothing at all.

    However if you open the link in the OP and scroll down a little there is a link to another article called "What is Blackface ?". This article goes a good way to explain the concerns - which I think mostly ridiculous and not applicable - of the people who are bothered by it.

    While I do not agree with most of that position - it pays to at least understand it. So it was a useful article for me. Perhaps you will find it so too.


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  • #162
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Jamiekelly wrote: »
    What are you on about? I didn't even mention Trump :confused:

    But thanks for proving my point.
    It's called humor. And by-the-way... I'm American. I don't think it proves your point.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #163
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    piplip87 wrote: »
    Can somebody please fill me in in what's racist about this ?

    Dressing up as a TV characters for fancy dress isn't racist. Unless he started doing Nazi Salutes or said I hate Indians while doing it.

    Is this that cultural appropriation thing again ? I seen a black man once drink a Guinness with a Jameson chaser ? Does that count ?


    Historically in the US it was used to mock people. Its not really seen as badly in Europe in my opinion. I think in relation to minstrels and stereotypes of black people in the US it is seen as mockery by black people.


  • #164
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Deleted User wrote: »
    In my opinion nothing at all.

    However if you open the link in the OP and scroll down a little there is a link to another article called "What is Blackface ?". This article goes a good way to explain the concerns - which I think mostly ridiculous and not applicable - of the people who are bothered by it.

    While I do not agree with most of that position - it pays to at least understand it. So it was a useful article for me. Perhaps you will find it so too.



  • #165
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,494 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Jamiekelly wrote: »
    Since when did an Irish forum become so hyper American? It's fairly cringey at this stage.

    It’s a current affairs forum. Not Irish current affairs.


  • #166
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    It’s a current affairs forum. Not Irish current affairs.

    He might mean all the psychotic americanised 'them and us' 'lefty/righty' ****e like thinking Trudeau is the hero of some homogeneous liberal movement to try score points in an imagined war.


  • #167
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Says the user who posts more than anyone else in those threads, usually endorsing the nonsense view that fascists and nazis are taking over.


  • #168
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,288 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Have the “Black & White Minstrels” been executed yet?


  • #169
    Forty Seven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 280 ✭✭Forty Seven


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Have the “Black & White Minstrels” been executed yet?

    They've gone underground.


  • #170
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Says the user who posts more than anyone else in those threads, usually endorsing the nonsense view that fascists and nazis are taking over.

    Says the user that very often posts "grr the fascist leftists" horse****.

    (Do we really wanna start this today? I don't. But I'll finish it!)

    edit:
    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Says the user who posts more than anyone else in those threads, usually endorsing the nonsense view that fascists and nazis are taking over.

    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    The more you speak the more you sound like you're talking about the fascist left.

    With their gender quota laws, and incorrect pronoun legislation, and lord knows what's next in terms of qualifying as hate speech.

    Time and again lefties have been shown that when put in positions in power they will do their level best to pass laws which are insane.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/38293/Now-Labour-plans-law-to-bar-white-men-from-jobs
    Looks like a pot calling the kettle black, Pete Pete.


  • #171
    peddlelies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Jesus christ, is this really what the world has come to. You can actually get in trouble these days for dressing up at a fancy dress party?

    Reminds me of this.

    At Yale, in 2015, they (Professor and Wife) were involved in a controversy related to the regulation of Halloween costumes. On October 29, 2015, Christakis' wife Erika Christakis, a Lecturer on Early Childhood Education at the Yale Child Study Center, wrote an e-mail to Yale undergraduates on the role of free expression in universities; she argued, from a developmental perspective, that students might wish to consider whether administrators should provide guidance on Halloween attire or whether students might wish to be allowed to "dress themselves."

    This e-mail was in response to a long earlier e-mail sent to undergraduates by a group of 14 administrators at Yale which suggested students be careful when choosing Halloween costumes, and which provided links to recommended and non-recommended costumes.The e-mail played a role in protests on campus that received national attention in the United States.

    Brainwashed idiots. Did they miss there squish toy/play-doh class that day I wonder.



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  • #172
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    Nothing story. How was he to know 15 years down the line he'd be Prime Minister and subjected to this?

    And blackfacing has only become a negative thing in the last couple of years.

    This is just moral revisionism gone mad. Next you won't be able to dress up as Pocahontus!


  • #173
    Portsalon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Portsalon


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

    This is just moral revisionism gone mad. Next you won't be able to dress up as Pocahontus!

    Or as his missus!


  • #174
    Granadino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭Granadino


    Iniesta was hauled over the proverbial coals when he posted a pic earlier this year from los reyes magos, but Trudeau is only having a bit of fun. Social media justice warriors etc are the biggest **** of the lot.
    I do not care what politicians in Canada or the USA do. I do not buy into this US identity politics stuff.


  • #175
    Portsalon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Portsalon


    jimgoose wrote: »

    From FB comments:

    "When I was a kid I dressed up as a witch, I feel bad now, I've just emailed Joan Burton and apologized."

    :pac::pac::pac:

    Might have been wiser to have emailed Ruth Coppinger.


  • #176
    DavidLyons_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭DavidLyons_


    peddlelies wrote: »
    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Jesus christ, is this really what the world has come to. You can actually get in trouble these days for dressing up at a fancy dress party?

    Reminds me of this.

    At Yale, in 2015, they (Professor and Wife) were involved in a controversy related to the regulation of Halloween costumes. On October 29, 2015, Christakis' wife Erika Christakis, a Lecturer on Early Childhood Education at the Yale Child Study Center, wrote an e-mail to Yale undergraduates on the role of free expression in universities; she argued, from a developmental perspective, that students might wish to consider whether administrators should provide guidance on Halloween attire or whether students might wish to be allowed to "dress themselves."

    This e-mail was in response to a long earlier e-mail sent to undergraduates by a group of 14 administrators at Yale which suggested students be careful when choosing Halloween costumes, and which provided links to recommended and non-recommended costumes.The e-mail played a role in protests on campus that received national attention in the United States.

    Brainwashed idiots. Did they miss there squish toy/play-doh class that day I wonder.

    Hahahaha. That video is great. What a bunch of insane, delusional, entitled, confused, morons.

    Surely they’ll look back at that video and cringe until their eyes pop out.

    The professor kept his mirth much better than I could if confronted by such hypocrisy and stupidity.


  • #177
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    DavidLyons_ wrote: »
    Hahahaha. That video is great. What a bunch of insane, delusional, entitled, confused, morons.

    Surely they’ll look back at that video and cringe until their eyes pop out.

    The professor kept his mirth much better than I could if confronted by such hypocrisy and stupidity.





    They are like five year olds. Disgraceful behavior by adults.


  • #178
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Says the user who posts more than anyone else in those threads, usually endorsing the nonsense view that fascists and nazis are taking over.

    Pointed out groups people who are racist sure, or would you rather we ignored them?


  • #179
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,918 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    peddlelies wrote: »


    That's pretty sad tbh.

    How are these people going to survive in the real world without their safe space?


  • #180
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    only a total arsehole would drag up someone doing blackface 20 years ago and use it to assault that person's career. Unfortunately for Justin, he is just that type of arsehole.


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  • #181
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    They are like five year olds. Disgraceful behavior by adults.

    Exactly what I was thinking. That behaviour is on a level with my 7 year old child. What happened to those people that they think it's acceptable to go on like that? It's not just cringy but scary that these people are the future! How will they cope when they enter the real world I wonder.


  • #182
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,494 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    That's pretty sad tbh.

    How are these people going to survive in the real world without their safe space?

    Google or Facebook will hire them and all their “trigger warnings” will be catered for.


  • #183
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Apart from the very, very, very, dark-brown face he does seem to suggest he would like to be 'grabbing them by the...' boobies with that creeping hand. And looks to be standing far too close to that young lady:
    WMqmcnZ.png

    Ah well nevermind, wonder if he is wearing some funky mismatching socks that day.
    We should really just judge people by their sock fashion soundbites, not their face, hands and stance.


  • #184
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    They are like five year olds. Disgraceful behavior by adults.

    Exactly what I was thinking. That behaviour is on a level with my 7 year old child. What happened to those people that they think it's acceptable to go on like that? It's not just cringy but scary that these people are the future! How will they cope when they enter the real world I wonder.
    The man wasn't even being racist. God help them if they ever have a real problem. Privlage indeed.


  • #185
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I love the US liberal media’s spin on this nonsense. They wouldn’t dare call it ‘blackface’ regarding one of their darlings, so went with ‘brownface' in their reporting. Now, as the story is getting traction, it's become ‘face-darkening makeup.’ What next… ‘overly tanned face?’

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #186
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    The man wasn't even being racist. God help them if they ever have a real problem. Privlage indeed.
    My youngest is attending a very liberal college in Washington, DC, know for policy, politics and law. The school is the most politically actively university in the nation... on and off campus. This is exactly how the woke college darlings act. It takes all I have not to laugh out loud hearing what comes out of the students mouths.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • #187
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    I hear your a rascist now Justin...


  • #188
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Overheal wrote: »
    Says the user that very often posts "grr the fascist leftists" horse****.

    Difference is, Overheal, I'm not on here complaining about those threads, suggesting I don't part in them, that user is.
    Overheal wrote: »
    Do we really wanna start this today? I don't. But I'll finish it!)

    Looks like a pot calling the kettle black, Pete Pete.

    /Cringe


  • #189
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Crickey, just seeing that a few months ago there was a 'blackface' controversy over some shoes!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/fashion/katy-perry-pulls-shoes-in-latest-blackface-fashion-controversy-1.3791102


    image.png


  • #190
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    Blackface is not racist anymore, unless trump does it, then it will be racist again.

    A cultural phenomenon.


  • #191
    Forty Seven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 280 ✭✭Forty Seven


    BDI wrote: »
    Blackface is not racist anymore, unless trump does it, then it will be racist again.

    A cultural phenomenon.
    It was never racist. Just a handy tool for certain idiots to wave around against those they disagreed with or were jealous of.

    Those same idiots appear to have internet trouble when its one of their own.


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  • #192
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I predict next this will become a "teachable moment," requiring mandatory sensitivity training for all Canadians. And in the end it somehow all ends up being Trump’s fault.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #193
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    Forty Seven wrote: »
    It was never racist. Just a handy tool for certain idiots to wave around against those they disagreed with or were jealous of.

    Those same idiots appear to have internet trouble when its one of their own.

    If Gerry Adams went on the late late show tomorrow night in black face itd be racist as feck.

    Only certain men of a certain level of infamy can reverse the racism.


  • #194
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,671 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    peddlelies wrote: »
    Reminds me of this.

    At Yale, in 2015, they (Professor and Wife) were involved in a controversy related to the regulation of Halloween costumes. On October 29, 2015, Christakis' wife Erika Christakis, a Lecturer on Early Childhood Education at the Yale Child Study Center, wrote an e-mail to Yale undergraduates on the role of free expression in universities; she argued, from a developmental perspective, that students might wish to consider whether administrators should provide guidance on Halloween attire or whether students might wish to be allowed to "dress themselves."

    This e-mail was in response to a long earlier e-mail sent to undergraduates by a group of 14 administrators at Yale which suggested students be careful when choosing Halloween costumes, and which provided links to recommended and non-recommended costumes.The e-mail played a role in protests on campus that received national attention in the United States.

    Brainwashed idiots. Did they miss there squish toy/play-doh class that day I wonder.


    Seriously he should have just told those idiots to get a life, nobody should have to deal with that level of stupidity.

    Anyone that uses the phrase 'safe space' should just lock themselves in a room and never come out again.


  • #195
    Forty Seven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 280 ✭✭Forty Seven


    BDI wrote: »
    Forty Seven wrote: »
    It was never racist. Just a handy tool for certain idiots to wave around against those they disagreed with or were jealous of.

    Those same idiots appear to have internet trouble when its one of their own.

    If Gerry Adams went on the late late show tomorrow night in black face itd be racist as feck.

    Only certain men of a certain level of infamy can reverse the racism.

    That's got me a wondering. Is a balaclava racist?


  • #196
    DavidLyons_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭DavidLyons_


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/fashion/katy-perry-pulls-shoes-in-latest-blackface-fashion-controversy-1.3791102


    image.png
    Brilliant.

    I must admit, this whole thing is making me feel warm and fuzzy. The ridiculousness of the whole thing is hilarious.

    Trudeau is a cnut.


  • #197
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I predict next this will become a "teachable moment," ...

    https://twitter.com/MitzieHunter/status/1174677463026343936


  • #198
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I love the US liberal media’s spin on this nonsense. They wouldn’t dare call it ‘blackface’ regarding one of their darlings, so went with ‘brownface' in their reporting. Now, as the story is getting traction, it's become ‘face-darkening makeup.’ What next… ‘overly tanned face?’

    Being tanned is cultural appropriation now

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/celebrity/ariana-grande-slammed-for-unrecognisable-vogue-cover-when-did-she-become-black/ar-AAE7j3u


  • #199
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Forty Seven wrote: »
    That's got me a wondering. Is a balaclava racist?

    Ah, now you're just being silly......... oh wait.


    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2019/feb/07/gucci-withdraws-jumper-blackface-balaclava
    image.png


  • #200
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Kimber Drab Broomstick wrote: »
    A male feminist is just a man who agrees with equal treatment between the sexes.

    Not the current wave of feminists...they feel women should get better treatment than men like getting paid the same as men despite doing a different job in some cases


  • #201
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    Not the current wave of feminists...they feel women should get better treatment than men like getting paid the same as men despite doing a different job in some cases
    The newest version... Ms. Monopoly was created for them.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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