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Pacing Mule · 18-09-2019 3:03pm

TriNRun wrote: »

that was how the it began, it ended in a similar way for those shunted from the course early for shamefully overestimating their capabilities ! How dare they come to our event and perform like that!!

When you check out the results page and see 23 people who finished after the 5 hour cut off including 1 a full hour outside of it I think it's fairly clear to see that the organisers stay around long after the cut off.

There's a handful of drop outs at lap 9 only 1 of those was over the 5 hour mark at the time. Everyone else could have gone around again and finished within 6 hours and got a proper time recorded.

https://www.popupraces.ie/race/irish-national-50km-championships-2019/

It's very clearly stated there is a 5 hour cut off and the organisers stayed around for another hour after that before shutting down. There simply wasn't a mass shunting off the course.

Rocky Seven · 18-09-2019 3:06pm

IvoryTower wrote: »

I'm intrigued, what did they shout at you? I'm picturing "c'mon you useless ****, we aint got all weekend!" but probably wasnt that bad/good

Hurry fookin up Mike, My fookin Dinner is at 6 sharp and Iv swim lessons after it.. Along those lines,

diego_b · 18-09-2019 3:17pm

TriNRun wrote: »

that was how the it began, it ended in a similar way for those shunted from the course early for shamefully overestimating their capabilities ! How dare they come to our event and perform like that!!

Do you get taken off the course during tri type events if you fail to meet cutoffs? Not had the experience of doing one of those but I wouldn't sign up for anything that I couldn't do...if it was a bad day or something went wrong then sh*t happens really...we're probably all only fun runners so not harm caused really!

I take your point and maybe if I was at the but end I might have felt differently but I deliberately didn't enter the event when I first heard of it for 2-3 years until I knew I was capable of running the time within the cutoff (being able to run a marathon under 4 hours was recommended in my research). If I'd had a bad day and got slagged maybe I'd have taken it to heart. To be honest the briefing I enjoyed as I said and it steeled me a bit and just said I'm going to give this a right go. I went out with the 4:30 pacers and came home just under 4:34 (the last two laps were a slog) but it's definitely one of my best running experiences in training and the event to date. Very different from DCM and things like that but I knew what I was getting into when signing up.

I probably trained harder for it than any of the marathons I've done to date (used to love my shortest midweek runs of 8 miles).

TriNRun · 18-09-2019 3:31pm

OOnegative wrote: »

Would ya go troll somewhere else, cause nobody here will agree with you in regards the Donadea 50k. If you knew anything about running in Ireland you’d know the man who organises it is highly respected for the events he puts on & the numerous other things he’s involved in within the Irish running community the list of which is endless. Your the only one i’ve ever heard complain about the 50k that’s says more about you than anything else.

trolling accusations are a low blow

IvoryTower · 18-09-2019 3:35pm

I think we've enough back slappy for being ****e events throughout the country. I for one fully endorse the idea of abusing people at the back of a race when they are taking too long to complete it. Can you volunteer for the role of slow shaming

TriNRun · 18-09-2019 3:47pm

IvoryTower wrote: »

I think we've enough back slappy for being ****e events throughout the country. I for one fully endorse the idea of abusing people at the back of a race when they are taking too long to complete it. Can you volunteer for the role of slow shaming

maybe you can also wait at the end of the race and redistribute the slow runners belongings like they say they do on the facebook page

TriNRun · 18-09-2019 3:52pm

IvoryTower wrote: »

do they actually say that? dont get my hopes up now, I may just be in love with this race

yes you may just be

IvoryTower · 18-09-2019 4:46pm

i see you made their facebook page anyway congrats

tbf, they're clearly taking the piss

arybvtcw0eolkf · 18-09-2019 4:57pm

Here's [probably] a random one.

Has anyone here ran after getting a flu shot?.

Reason I ask is I got my annual flu this morning and went out intending to run a 10k but by 5k I was dead and couldn't run another step.

Now this morning was very hot, but I'm usually ok in the heat and its at the end of Summer so you'd think that shouldn't play a major factor in a poor run.

I ran about 45 minutes after my shot.

IvoryTower · 18-09-2019 5:03pm

I just done an easy run after mine, felt fine but wasn't really put to the test. Was told I could feel off

Bez Bing · 18-09-2019 5:14pm

Posted this in the Berlin thread. Set to run Berlin on Sunday week but I hurt my calf on my last 'long run' on Sunday. Was supposed to run 16m but only managed 8m and had to stop.

Been to the physio and I hope he can get me to the start line but if I do I won't have run much (if at all) in the last 2 weeks.

My training up to now has been decent i.e. 3 20m+ runs, a 12m with 10 @MP last week, a 1/2 marathon race etc.

Anyone care to speculate on the impact that no running in the last 2 weeks before the race will have?

Singer · 18-09-2019 5:18pm

Zayn Noisy Phlegm wrote: »

Here's [probably] a random one.

Has anyone here ran after getting a flu shot?.

Reason I ask is I got my annual flu this morning and went out intending to run a 10k but by 5k I was dead and couldn't run another step.

Now this morning was very hot, but I'm usually ok in the heat and its at the end of Summer so you'd think that shouldn't play a major factor in a poor run.

I ran about 45 minutes after my shot.

Side effects can start pretty quickly, so it's possible. I do try to take it easy for a couple of days after getting a flu shot and make sure not to get it close to any races, just in case.

Singer · 18-09-2019 5:21pm

Bez Bing wrote: »

Posted this in the Berlin thread. Set to run Berlin on Sunday week but I hurt my calf on my last 'long run' on Sunday. Was supposed to run 16m but only managed 8m and had to stop.

Been to the physio and I hope he can get me to the start line but if I do I won't have run much (if at all) in the last 2 weeks.

My training up to now has been decent i.e. 3 20m+ runs, a 12m with 10 @MP last week, a 1/2 marathon race etc.

Anyone care to speculate on the impact that no running in the last 2 weeks before the race will have?

It impacted me pretty badly in 2016. I hurt my calf 3 weeks out from DCM, and was only sporadically training until it got better. I didn't reset expectations, went out at target pace and ended up DNFing. It's hard to tell how much fitness you'll have lost, but I'd significantly lower expectations (maybe by 10 minutes?) and run conservatively on the day, easing into it.

TriNRun · 18-09-2019 5:26pm

IvoryTower wrote: »

i see you made their facebook page anyway congrats

tbf, they're clearly taking the piss

I have a friend who was doing the race with me, they took his stuff and gave it the others cos he was over the time, they put it on the table and said it was free, shocking

Bez Bing · 18-09-2019 5:29pm

Singer wrote: »

It impacted me pretty badly in 2016. I hurt my calf 3 weeks out from DCM, and was only sporadically training until it got better. I didn't reset expectations, went out at target pace and ended up DNFing. It's hard to tell how much fitness you'll have lost, but I'd significantly lower expectations (maybe by 10 minutes?) and run conservatively on the day, easing into it.

Cheers, out of interest did the calf injury flare up or did you just blow up?

Rashers Big Log · 18-09-2019 6:02pm

Hey, looking to do a parkrun next week. Will I be ok if I haven’t trained? Slightly worried about hurting myself. Thx

DeepBlue · 18-09-2019 6:18pm

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

Hey, looking to do a parkrun next week. Will I be ok if I haven’t trained? Slightly worried about hurting myself. Thx

You'll be fine. It's not a race. Just run it at your own pace or run a bit and walk a bit, run/walk or jog. Don't overdo it - there's plenty of time to get better as it's on every week. Just don't feel compelled to keep up with the speedsters who go off at the front at the start.
Also remember to bring your barcode so you will get a time and you can do it again next week to see if you beat that time and so on.

Rocky Seven · 18-09-2019 7:27pm

TriNRun wrote: »

I have a friend who was doing the race with me, they took his stuff and gave it the others cos he was over the time, they put it on the table and said it was free, shocking

Pal ur bordering on defamation there, I'd be careful how u proceed

RacoonQueen · 18-09-2019 7:37pm

Can we take the talk of Donadea 50k out of the random running questions thread now.

TriNRun, you clearly have a personal vendetta. That'll be the last of your vendetta on this forum. This is your only warning. Any more of this and you will be taking a long hiatus.

TriNRun · 18-09-2019 7:55pm

Singer · 18-09-2019 8:02pm

Bez Bing wrote: »

Cheers, out of interest did the calf injury flare up or did you just blow up?

Blew up, in retrospect my heart rate was way higher than it should have been. Calf was totally grand!

Rashers Big Log · 18-09-2019 8:09pm

Does anyone know where I can get support as a new runner? I don’t have the money for triathlon but am looking for resources to get me going on a parkrun to marathon programme? Also I didn’t realise that people ran 50k, is that still a marathon?

Rashers Big Log · 18-09-2019 8:10pm

Also, what is a gel? I’ve never heard of it is it something to stop from getting crotch rot?

Itziger · 18-09-2019 8:10pm

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

Does anyone know where I can get support as a new runner? I don’t have the money for triathlon but am looking for resources to get me going on a parkrun to marathon programme? Also I didn’t realise that people ran 50k, is that still a marathon?

I'll take 2.5 grams of what you're having m8.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 18-09-2019 9:26pm

Re. the running after flu shots.

Lesson learned. I went swimming this evening, I'm usually good for a kilometer freestyle but absolutely shagged this evening, have a dodgy tummy too.

I don't recall this being an issue in previous years, either way tomorrow is another day.

Lazare · 18-09-2019 10:09pm

Wtf is happening in here?

All I know is I really want to run Donadea 50, and I'm a 5k merchant.

TFBubendorfer · 19-09-2019 9:00am

Lazare wrote: »

Wtf is happening in here?

All I know is I really want to run Donadea 50, and I'm a 5k merchant.

Perfect then. It's a 5k. 10 times.

ariana` · 19-09-2019 9:22am

Bez Bing wrote: »

Posted this in the Berlin thread. Set to run Berlin on Sunday week but I hurt my calf on my last 'long run' on Sunday. Was supposed to run 16m but only managed 8m and had to stop.

Been to the physio and I hope he can get me to the start line but if I do I won't have run much (if at all) in the last 2 weeks.

My training up to now has been decent i.e. 3 20m+ runs, a 12m with 10 @MP last week, a 1/2 marathon race etc.

Anyone care to speculate on the impact that no running in the last 2 weeks before the race will have?

Happened me in DCM 2017, my knee went on the last long run 3 weeks out, it was supposed to be 20, i got to 18m so at least i felt i had the bulk of it done. I did very little for the last 3 weeks, a few 'test' runs but i failed them all, the knee was still niggling. In the end the Physio told me to start but to adjust my pace and be prepared to pull out. I adjusted my target by 20 mins (probably a bit extreme but as a first timer i just wanted to finish) and in the end end the knee held up, i had a brilliant day and a super run where i finished strong running my fastest miles at the end. I was well within myself finishing a comfortable 3 mins under the adjusted target time. I don't know what would have happened if i hadn't adjusted but i had no regrets that i did on that occasion. Should add i ran a 7 min negative split so it's obvious i did adjust a bit too much but i wouldn't like to know what might have happened if it didn't.

Good luck whatever happens.

cjt156 · 19-09-2019 9:38am

Lazare wrote: »

Wtf is happening in here?

All I know is I really want to run Donadea 50, and I'm a 5k merchant.

Right, get to your nearest parkrun and a few of us can come by to roar abuse; make sure to rub a gel on your crotch first...

Rocky Seven · 19-09-2019 10:50am

Lazare wrote: »

Wtf is happening in here?

All I know is I really want to run Donadea 50, and I'm a 5k merchant.

Follow 4 basic rules and ur in

Lazare · 19-09-2019 1:35pm

Rocky Seven wrote: »

Follow 4 basic rules and ur in

I'm on board with that. What's the 4th?

Itziger · 19-09-2019 1:37pm

Lazare wrote: »

I'm on board with that. What's the 4th?

There were kinda two in the 3rd!!

Lazare · 19-09-2019 1:37pm

cjt156 wrote: »

Right, get to your nearest parkrun and a few of us can come by to roar abuse; make sure to rub a gel on your crotch first...

That genuinely sounds like great craic.

Lazare · 19-09-2019 1:38pm

Itziger wrote: »

There were kinda two in the 3rd!!

Aha!! I like the cut of their jib

BeepBeep67 · 19-09-2019 1:39pm

Lazare wrote: »

What's the 4th?

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Singer · 19-09-2019 2:10pm

Supplements. Who takes what, and why? Placebo or insurance policy?

I read this the other day, and it made me think that maybe I should be taking more!
https://www.10thingsithinkabout.com/blood-passport/2017/11/29/blood-test-results

Currently I take Cod Liver Oil (I don't eat enough fish regularly, we don't eat it at home) and a Pharmaton Active daily (vague attempt at ensuring I have enough iron, vitamin B etc.)

I also am on thyroid medication, take a low dose aspirin (not entirely sure if it's useful, but there's heart and stroke problems in my family) and Nexium to prevent recurring heartburn. Running without heartburn is wonderful, and I can't really function without the thyroid meds!

What do you take and why? Do you think it affects you as a runner?

Itziger · 19-09-2019 2:36pm

Singer wrote: »

Supplements. Who takes what, and why? Placebo or insurance policy?

I read this the other day, and it made me think that maybe I should be taking more!
https://www.10thingsithinkabout.com/blood-passport/2017/11/29/blood-test-results

Currently I take Cod Liver Oil (I don't eat enough fish regularly, we don't eat it at home) and a Pharmaton Active daily (vague attempt at ensuring I have enough iron, vitamin B etc.)

I also am on thyroid medication, take a low dose aspirin (not entirely sure if it's useful, but there's heart and stroke problems in my family) and Nexium to prevent recurring heartburn. Running without heartburn is wonderful, and I can't really function without the thyroid meds!

What do you take and why? Do you think it affects you as a runner?

If you don't count beer and wine, none.

If you do, lots.

Lazare · 19-09-2019 9:14pm

Itziger wrote: »

If you don't count beer and wine, none.

If you do, lots.

Was only thinking about this last night, reflecting on my own two diametrically opposed fun things to do. Running in the mornings and drinking (ehh, about 2) delicious hoppy craft beer while cooking in the evenings.

Do skip the booze usually early in the week, unless I'm injured, and would stay away from it on target race weeks, three or four days before on non target.

Obviously cutting it out completely would have a positive effect on performance but feck that. It's too nice.

IvoryTower · 19-09-2019 9:45pm

I have a protein shake on my first break at work, more so to avoid eating crap than for supplement reasons, I'm sure I get enough protein anyway

When I was sprinting I would swear by creatine

ariana` · 20-09-2019 9:47am

Singer wrote: »

Supplements. Who takes what, and why? Placebo or insurance policy?

I read this the other day, and it made me think that maybe I should be taking more!
https://www.10thingsithinkabout.com/blood-passport/2017/11/29/blood-test-results

Currently I take Cod Liver Oil (I don't eat enough fish regularly, we don't eat it at home) and a Pharmaton Active daily (vague attempt at ensuring I have enough iron, vitamin B etc.)

I also am on thyroid medication, take a low dose aspirin (not entirely sure if it's useful, but there's heart and stroke problems in my family) and Nexium to prevent recurring heartburn. Running without heartburn is wonderful, and I can't really function without the thyroid meds!

What do you take and why? Do you think it affects you as a runner?

Earlier this year i started taking Vitamin D, Cod Liver Oil and I alternate monthly between Vit C and Vit C + Zinc.

I dropped the Vit D during the Summer months but otherwise kept the rest up.

I'm not on an prescription meds, i eat reasonably healthily, drink very moderately and sleep is pretty good.

Last Winter was a particularly bad one where i was sick on/off from November - Feb (my resting heart rate only came back to normal in March). And in general i found over the last few years that viruses like the a common head cold are more likely to turn into a sinus infection or a sore throat more likely to turn into laryngitis/tonsillitis. I guess it's an age thing

Placebo or insurance policy? A bit of both i'd say

cjt156 · 20-09-2019 10:12am

Unless you are depleted, an absolute placebo, or possibly worse.

This is a debunking of Anti-oxidants as cure-all, there are many other reputable studies to indicate that supplements can do more harm than good.
vitamin-supplements-could-kill-you

A healthy diet should provide us with enough vitamins and minerals, but we're more responsive to the idea that a quick-fix pill will help.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 20-09-2019 10:39am

I'm lucky in that I can afford to eat a healthy and well balanced diet (a lot of people can't), I've also got the time to prepare and cook, plus my daughter is a chef lol so I don't waste my money on supplements.

I'm on perscription meds for hypertension and I'm on a TRT.

I believe if you've a well balanced diet you don't need to supplement it with supplements

deisedude · 20-09-2019 10:46am

Make sure you are drinking 2 Litres of water per day too, better than any magic pill

IvoryTower · 20-09-2019 11:49am

Jacob ingerbritsen was drinking coke yesterday and is in McDonalds today so I think I'm pretty close to the perfect athletes diet

KSU · 20-09-2019 1:41pm

Zayn Noisy Phlegm wrote: »

I'm lucky in that I can afford to eat a healthy and well balanced diet (a lot of people can't)

I am always bemused by this mentality.

It's not expensive to eat healthy if you plan it out. You can do 2 of the following 3 things - Cheap, Healthy, Convenient.

Realistically if you plan it out you can eat like a king for less than the price of your daily coffee on average

Itziger · 20-09-2019 1:48pm

KSU wrote: »

I am always bemused by this mentality.

It's not expensive to eat healthy if you plan it out. You can do 2 of the following 3 things - Cheap, Healthy, Convenient.

Realistically if you plan it out you can eat like a king for less than the price of your daily coffee on average

I think it's more to do with education than simply money. Of course the two are linked.

There are some items where quality kicks in. I'm damned if I'm eating a frozen burger for 1 euro but I'll pay 10 and more for a nice bit of steak at the supermarket.

But fruit and veg you can make money go a long way.

OOnegative · 20-09-2019 4:15pm

I was supposed to race an 8-10k this weekend per the plan i’m following but there is nothing on that suits, question I have, is there any benefits to me running a solo time trial, say 5 miles to make up for missing said race?

Forget the TT? I have another 10k race next week that I will make(had to juggle the plan somewhat due to family life). Am training for Amsterdam Half on 20th of October.

20-09-2019 4:21pm

OOnegative wrote: »

I was supposed to race an 8-10k this weekend per the plan i’m following but there is nothing on that suits, question I have, is there any benefits to me running a solo time trial say 5 miles to make up for missing said race?

Forget the TT? I have another race next week that I will make(had to juggle the plan somewhat due to family life).

Is the race next week part of the plan? If not, would you not just swap the entire weeks around? Bit late to do the whole week I suppose, but you could just swap the weekends

seamusk84 · 20-09-2019 4:22pm

I broke the third metatarsal of my right foot on the 30th June from over training and racing. Not fracture, a break. It’s 11 weeks now and I’m 4 weeks off any form of crutch.
Have been training hard daily on an exercise bike and walking a lot. Still can feel it in my foot though if I walk a lot.
Is it safe at this point to start back running/training?

20-09-2019 4:24pm

seamusk84 wrote: »

I broke the third metatarsal of my right foot on the 30th June from over training and racing. Not fracture, a break. It’s 11 weeks now and I’m 4 weeks off any form of crutch.
Have been training hard daily on an exercise bike and walking a lot. Still can feel it in my foot though if I walk a lot.
Is it safe at this point to start back running/training?

Even if medical advice was allowed on boards (it's not), no-one here could possibly answer that. Talk to the people who actually diagnosed you, treated you, and have access to your medical information

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