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Why aren't there more strong Dublin accents in the media?

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    #122
    Dyr
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Channel 4 seems to do regional accents too when they're talking about the next show coming up etc.
    Anyway I don't want to hear strong Dublin accents or any strong accents reading the news etc, most are painful to listen to.

    The awwcent thot ORTEEE prasantors use when delivaring the Neyws is strong and the pronuncation is absolutely non standard English, I dont give a damn about accents but pronunciation should be correct for news.


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    #123
    El_Duderino 09
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    dvcireland wrote: »
    "..he's after gettin' a right bang in the mush there..."

    That's the thing though. The interesting things about regional speech isn't just the sound of the accent, it's also the regional phrases. So if Brian kerr read the news he would have to use the same words as Dobbo even of he said it in his Dublin accent. So he wouldn't say "he's after gettin' a right bang in the mush there". He's say "the man has been struck in the face".


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    #124
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    RTE news reporter, John Kilraine, has a relatively strong Dublin accent.

    I have noticed some developing speech habits entering the media recently ...
    Pronouncing 'ing' as 'een' Eg 'beginning' pronounced as 'begineen'.

    And then there is 'News' being pronounced as 'Nooze'.

    Then there is the old chestnut of R T E being pronounced as ARR Tee Eee :) That one has been around since the formation of the service and must be promoted during employment induction.


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    #125
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,956 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Bambi wrote: »
    The awwcent thot ORTEEE prasantors use when delivaring the Neyws is strong and the pronuncation is absolutely non standard English, I dont give a damn about accents but pronunciation should be correct for news.

    What you've written there isn't how they speak though. They don't say ORTEE. They say AR-TEE-EE, which is correct. They would never say awwcent. I think you're mistaking RTE accent for Dort accent.


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    #126
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    why aren't there more working class dublin accents in politics?


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    #127
    El_Duderino 09
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    https://www.rte.ie/archives/2020/0124/1110569-mind-your-language/

    This is an interesting piece from the AR-TEE-EE archives. Late late show in 1985. Yer man with the answers isn't a bit endearing but it illustrates the point about where th e RTE accent comes from.


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    #128
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,956 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    why aren't there more working class dublin accents in politics?

    I'd say that is partially to do with how strong accents are portrayed in media. If you have a TV show and you have a very small part for a character who has to quickly establish themselves as stupid and uneducated, then they tend to give them strong accent along with other clear cues like being overweight, dowdy dress and poorly groomed.

    So when you hear a working class accent you're predisposed to assume the person is less educated than the well spoken person and that affects how you view he information thst person is telling you and thst affects how people vote.


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    #129
    mariaalice
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    why aren't there more working class dublin accents in politics?

    There are loads of them, that is a very lazy assumption.

    It a bit like the posers who post with an iron-clad belife that the wealthy coastal areas of Dublin do not have social housing.


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    #130
    ILoveYourVibes
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    There are loads of them, that is a very lazy assumption.

    It a bit like the posers who post with an iron-clad belife that the wealthy coastal areas of Dublin do not have social housing.
    Name them.


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    #131
    its_steve116
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    I think the UK has regional accents on TV but, as you said, not very strong regional accents. But to be fair, you need to be well spoken to be on TV so even a regional accent sounds milder when well spoken. A well spoken Midlands accent will still sound like a Midlands accent but it is a lot milder than the accent of someone from a rough estate in the same town.

    BBC has regional accents. They have laura kuenssberg as a main Westminster correspondent and the main nighttime news reader, Hue Edwards, has a Welsh accent.

    When the BBC want to appeal to younger audiences they use regional accents too. Stacey dooley has an Essex accent and yer man Ben Zand has a pretty real Liverpool accent. Though they have to modify their accents to make sure they're understood easily.
    She's actually from Luton in Bedfordshire.


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    #132
    ILoveYourVibes
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/archives/2020/0124/1110569-mind-your-language/

    This is an interesting piece from the AR-TEE-EE archives. Late late show in 1985. Yer man with the answers isn't a bit endearing but it illustrates the point about where th e RTE accent comes from.
    WOW!


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    #133
    mariaalice
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Name them.

    Are councilors politicians


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    #134
    jay0109
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    Loads of Dublin accents in RTE...sure, Brid Smith, Aengus O'Snodaigh and their acolytes never seem to be out of the studios there


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    #135
    ILoveYourVibes
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    Are councilors politicians
    Well yes.

    But i mean if you cant find tds it sort of proves my point.

    But go ahead ..how many councilors ..for a city of over million have a working class dublin accent.

    I mean a real accent not a faux one.


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    #136
    El_Duderino 09
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    its_steve116 wrote: »
    She's actually from Luton in Bedfordshire.

    I'll take your word for it. It's certainly not the typical BBC accent.


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    #137
    ILoveYourVibes
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    jay0109 wrote: »
    Loads of Dublin accents in RTE...sure, Brid Smith, Aengus O'Snodaigh and their acolytes never seem to be out of the studios there
    They don't have strong dublin accents.


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    #138
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,365 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Well yes.

    But i mean if you cant find tds it sort of proves my point.

    But go ahead ..how many councilors ..for a city of over million have a working class dublin accent.

    I mean a real accent not a faux one.

    They are there, don't look for prdjudist where non exists becaue there is enough of it in real life with out inventing more.

    Bríd Smith TD would have a very Dublin accent that is one example.


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    #139
    jay0109
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    They don't have strong dublin accents.

    They bleedin do, yerknowworoimeean


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    #140
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,365 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    They don't have strong dublin accents.

    What sort of accents do they have? there are several dublin accents.

    What about this this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrXLyAS7VN4


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    #141
    ILoveYourVibes
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    They are there, don't look for prdjudist where non exists becaue there is enough of it in real life with out inventing more.

    Bríd Smith TD would have a very Dublin accent that is one example.
    She has NOT! Would you go away!



    that is barely a dublin accent! IN NO WAY A WORKING CLASS ACCENT


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    #142
    Weepsie
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    Sky King wrote: »
    The gore thee.

    Actually... There was a fellah presentin prime time there last week or the week before that sounded like a proper taxi droiver pal, yeah?

    I know him. Sound guy. Not your typical rte employee either. Worked as a reporter / researcher for AlJazerra news for a few years rather than relying on a relative to get him in the door


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    #143
    ILoveYourVibes
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    What sort of accents do they have? there are several dublin accents.

    What about this this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrXLyAS7VN4
    I mean a working class dublin accent. A northside accent.

    This is a middle class southside accent.


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    #144
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Don't tell me you hear working class accents in dublin so little you don't even know them.

    The reason its refered to as a strong dublin accent is the southside accent is influenced a lot by rural accents.


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    #145
    waynescales1
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    Anyone who thinks Caitríona Perry has a "neutral" accent needs their head examined.


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    #146
    Lewis_Benson
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    Imagine this lad reading the news...

    https://youtu.be/txjZxlxSt1Q


    "An neow, over ta anto for de fookin weddor"

    Anto:"ihs shih"


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    #147
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,365 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I mean a working class dublin accent. A northside accent.

    This is a middle class southside accent.

    You here Gino Kenny as having a middle-class southside accent?


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    #148
    ILoveYourVibes
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    This is a beautiful perfect precious strong Dublin accent. :)

    God bless it and preserve it!


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    #149
    Truthvader
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    I wouldn't be using Joe Duffy as an example of anything I was trying to promote


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    #150
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,365 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Don't tell me you hear working class accents in dublin so little you don't even know them.

    The reason its refered to as a strong dublin accent is the southside accent is influenced a lot by rural accents.

    I work in what is considered a very working-class part of north side Dublin and the accents are varied among the locals.

    What you seem to mean is why we don't hear a nasily (often associated with jukies ) Dublin accent but the thing is, it is not the majority accent in Dublin and is of recent origent.


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    #151
    Assetbacked
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    A lot of RTE Dubliners exaggerating the posh accent seem to come from the Northside. It is as if they have an inferiority complex and are so desperate to elevate themselves from the Northside stereotype (Caitriona Perry, Dermot Bannon, Aengus Mac Grianna etc).


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