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Sluts/slappers/whores/homewreckers

  • 04-09-2008 3:02pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭


    Has anyone else been really pissed off by the unfair coverage of Sienna Miller in the media recently?

    For all of you who dont know, Sienna Miller,a free and single actress, recently got together with a married man who has a family. So you'd think in this wonderful post-feminist era where women are 'supposedly' crashing through glass ceilings and can shag around like men, that the one who cheated on his wife and family would be branded horrible names.
    But no, Sienna has been branded a homewrecker,slut,whore and every other awful name under the sun,while the man who dumped his wife and kids becomes the stud who gets of scott free.

    And this unfair brandishing is not just confined to the media but also the consensus on our own boards:
    Cathal01 wrote: »
    Sienna genuinely is a bit of a slut....
    gcgirl wrote: »
    HomeRecker
    MILF wrote: »
    Hahaha, Sienna the Slag ....
    JP Liz wrote: »
    Homewrecker
    She is a home wrecker! :

    I ask, why oh why is it always the (innocent) women that always gets the blame for marriage breakdowns/splits etc.

    Also I know a lot of men who shag around who have never once been called a slapper yet when us women do it we are automatically 'the town wheel',an 'easy lay' and a 'slut'.
    Is anyone else just sick of these double standards society has for men and women?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,407 ✭✭✭✭justsomebloke


    Fine them.......


    crap actress

    now are you happy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,183 ✭✭✭✭Will


    Because she is famous and people like to target famous people. I'm pretty sure it would be the same reaction if some high flying hollywood actor did the same.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 13,425 ✭✭✭✭Ginny


    Oh Good Jesus.
    She had an affair with a married man, yes he is scum, but she a dodgy actress with a questionable relationship history.
    She allegedly had an affair with Jude law when he was married,allegedly had an affair with Sean Combs while his girlfriend was pregnant, and now is having an affair with a married man with a child under one.
    What does she expect? Of course she is going to get called names, Of course none of these men a better then pond scum, but there's one common thing in all of these affairs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Got a fright there for a minute. I thought I had clicked through into the Celebrity and Showbiz forum by mistake. How could I live with myself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭bealbocht


    GinnyJo wrote: »
    Oh Good Jesus.
    She had an affair with a married man, yes he is scum, but she a dodgy actress with a questionable relationship history.
    She allegedly had an affair with Jude law when he was married,allegedly had an affair with Sean Combs while his girlfriend was pregnant, and now is having an affair with a married man with a child under one.
    What does she expect? Of course she is going to get called names, Of course none of these men a better then pond scum, but there's one common thing in all of these affairs.


    bit of a trend forming there alright.., although anyone of those guys could rightfully be called a b'tard.. for doing the dirt.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    GinnyJo wrote: »

    She allegedly had an affair with Jude law when he was married,allegedly had an affair with Sean Combs while his girlfriend was pregnant, and now is having an affair with a married man with a child under one.
    What does she expect? Of course she is going to get called names,.

    These are all 'allegedly'. David Beckham has had numerous 'alledged' affairs yet comes out smelling like roses.Brad Pitt cheated on his wife yet It was Angelina Jolie who was branded a homewrecker..............but Im not going to get into a discussion on celebrities, this is a much broader disscussion and I was just using Sienna Miller here as an example.

    So you think that women who sleep around deserve to be called names then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Clebs forum ?

    Of is this about the nasty names women call other women ?


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 13,425 ✭✭✭✭Ginny


    Panda you started a thread based on Sienna so I was replying to how Sienna is not as innocent as you may have painted her.
    David Beckham did not escapre smelling of roses he was splashed all over the tabloids as was his wife at the time of his supposed affairs, as was Brad and Angelina.

    So you think that women who sleep around deserve to be called names then?
    *Sigh*
    Where did I say that?

    Please don't selectively quote my remarks to remove the parts relating to how I viewed the men in the situation aswell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Beetlebum


    She knew he was married therefore she her behaviour is disgraceful. Regardless of how attracted I was to a man, if
    he had a girlfriend/wife & kids then I'd have enough self control and morals to refrain from jumping into bed with him.
    I hope the karma police get her and if she evers gets marries and has kids that her husband cheats on her. If that did
    happen I bet Sienns would be the first to call the girl a slut!!

    Equally or arguably more so, the man is a bastard too. He is married, he took vows, he is hurting way more people then she is.
    Lets face it though, she is a beautiful young actress and I think most men would be tempted at least.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 307 ✭✭eveie


    sienna is not innocent in this matter, she knowinly got involved with a marrid man, in my opinion these names shes been called are fine in fact id go as far as saying there not bad! i wouldnt like to hear what her mans ex wife would call her


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    GinnyJo wrote: »
    David Beckham did not escapre smelling of roses he was splashed all over the tabloids as was his wife at the time of his supposed affairs, as was Brad and Angelina..

    So you dont think there is a gender bias in society when It comes to naming people sluts and slappers?
    That both men and women equally are branded with these types of derogatory names?

    GinnyJo wrote: »
    Where did I say that?

    Please don't selectively quote my remarks to remove the parts relating to how I viewed the men in the situation aswell.

    You said "Of course she's going to get called names?"
    I took that to presume that you felt unquestionably that she desrved to be called a slapper and a slut for her behaviour? What did you mean?
    eveie wrote: »
    sienna is not innocent in this matter, she knowinly got involved with a marrid man, in my opinion these names shes been called are fine in fact id go as far as saying there not bad! i wouldnt like to hear what her mans ex wife would call her

    Ok I take the point that she's not a complete innocent and I understand thats what GinnyJo was trying to say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Iago


    She knowingly slept with a married man. She has "allegedly" done so before in the past. Any woman who willingly goes to bed with a married or involved man deserves everything she gets.

    Your OP asked "Was anyone else pissed off at the unfair coverage that Sienna Miller has received lately?"

    I don't think it was unfair I think she completely deserves it to be honest. She's not innocent and it's not the sleeping around that bothers people it's the sleeping with involved men.

    She could sleep with a different man every night of the week and not many people would bat an eyelid, it's the men she chooses to sleep with that are the problem.


    edit:

    Genuine question to all the ladies of the lounge, if she or any other woman slept with your partner would you call them any less?


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭John Mason


    you all only the one side of the story, there are four sides to this story.

    1. The Husband
    2. The Wife
    3. The Sienna
    4. The Tabloids who would print anything to sell papers

    what happens in the above peoples lives is nothing to do with anyone else except them.

    I get the feeling Panda might be the third person in a relationship and is feeling a little bit paranoid


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Beetlebum wrote: »
    Lets face it though, she is a beautiful young actress and I think most men would be tempted at least.
    I'm really sorry if I'm wrong Beetlebum, but that looks a little bit like you're excusing him - that this siren offered herself to him and he couldn't help it...:)

    I agree with Panda. She's not objecting to the criticism of Sienna Miller, she's objecting to the way it's Sienna who's getting all the criticism, not Balthazar Getty.

    Getting involved with a person whom you know is married is ****ty behaviour (generally - I think it would be best to look at each case individually) but it's the disproportionate doling out of abuse that's unfair. Both parties deserve it but in this case, it's the woman who's bearing the brunt far more. But then again, she is more well known than he is. However, he's the one married with four kids - seems very much like a homewrecker also.
    It was the same with Rebecca Loos - she was the target of far more vitriol than Beckham was.

    My gran (who's 91, a devout catholic and from a rural part of the west of Ireland, to be fair) says it's always the woman's fault. So one day, I tried to gently to point out that the man is also having the affair. She agreed... but insisted it was still always the woman's fault... :) :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Burial


    panda100 wrote: »
    So you dont think there is a gender bias in society when It comes to naming people sluts and slappers?
    That both men and women equally are branded with these types of derogatory names?

    Well, imagine if the roles were reversed. They will be quoted homewreckers and the like. However, sluts is more female-y word, for example you don't call a guy a bitch, likewise you don't call a woman a bastard. It just doesn't go!

    Anyway, you've always quoted men cheating on women. The women are sluts because they knew he was married and still did it anyway. If A woman was married and a man slept with her, he would be labelled the same.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 13,425 ✭✭✭✭Ginny


    panda100 wrote: »
    So you dont think there is a gender bias in society when It comes to naming people sluts and slappers?

    That both men and women equally are branded with these types of derogatory names?

    I never said that, I was commenting on the cases presented in the thread.
    Yes I've seen gender bias, but imo anyone who is that sad and shallow to have that opinion about a completely innocent women is not worth listening to, or wasting my time on.



    panda100 wrote: »
    You said "Of course she's going to get called names?"
    I took that to presume that you felt unquestionably that she desrved to be called a slapper and a slut for her behaviour? What did you mean?
    You originally asked about her treatment by the media, I was referring to the fact of course she's going to be branded those names by the media, she's placed herself in position of the other women a few times, she also courts the media when she feels like it, the media loves gossip and scandal and will write anything for a headline.
    If she was anyway clever she wouldn't put herself in any positions where she might be called anything, plenty of celebs conduct their private life very privately.
    TBH I've seen numerous articles dragging Getty through the mud, and how many loverat articles are there about the likes of Darren Day, Calum Best, Brendan Cole..etc.?
    panda100 wrote: »
    Ok I take the point that she's not a complete innocent and I understand thats what GinnyJo was trying to say.

    honestly she's probably the worst example you could pick to prove this point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    irishbird wrote: »
    I get the feeling Panda might be the third person in a relationship and is feeling a little bit paranoid

    haha no,no,I am an innocent :)

    but I have been on the recieving end of some nasty name calling in the past, slapper etc. The whole Sienna debacle recently sorta reminded me of it and thought it would be an intresting thing to discuss in the lounge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭KrazeeEyezKilla


    panda100 wrote: »
    For all of you who dont know, Sienna Miller,a free and single actress, recently got together with a married man who has a family. So you'd think in this wonderful post-feminist era where women are 'supposedly' crashing through glass ceilings and can shag around like men, that the one who cheated on his wife and family would be branded horrible names.

    I have no idea what she is supposed to have done and have little knowledge or interest in Sienna Miller, but I've never understood why some women think that if some men behave like c**ts that they should do the same and be considered 'liberated' for doing so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    irishbird wrote: »
    I get the feeling Panda might be the third person in a relationship and is feeling a little bit paranoid

    I get the feeling your feeling is wrong and that Panda is trying to have a dicussion on the degrading and demeaning sexually related terms that are used about women which are not used about men and how we as women need to stop using such terms.


  • Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Solarball10


    panda100 wrote: »
    I ask, why oh why is it always the (innocent) women that always gets the blame for marriage breakdowns/splits etc.

    Hmmm....innocent? Did she not know he was married then?

    Sorry, but it's true - any woman that gets involved with a married man IS a slut, homewrecker, whatever you want to call it.
    The married man is an even bigger d!ck.

    And yep, it does suck the way the "other women" seem to get blamed more than the men, but that's double standards for you!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    But it's a bit grim that these double standards exist in the first place.
    Thaedydal wrote: »
    I get the feeling your feeling is wrong and that Panda is trying to have a dicussion on the degrading and demeaning sexually related terms that are used about women which are not used about men and how we as women need to stop using such terms.
    ... and the disparity between the media/public's treatment of the married man and of the "other woman". There tends to be a glaring difference.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭Kinetic^


    The reason she's been branded as such is because of the target marked for retarded celeb mags/programs are 99% female. With women being exceptionally hateful towards one another, it sells more when it's the woman that's being a <insert slut alternative>.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    Burial wrote: »
    Well, imagine if the roles were reversed. They will be quoted homewreckers and the like. However, sluts is more female-y word, for example you don't call a guy a bitch, likewise you don't call a woman a bastard. It just doesn't go!

    .
    So when a man sleeps around a lot what is the term for it?
    A slut?
    A Slapper?
    A Whore?
    These to me seem words more synonmous with females, But perhaps thats just me.
    And the term homewrecker I think most certainly is associated with women. Why isnt Balthazar Getty the one being brandished a 'homewrceker'? Is he not really the one responsible for wrecking his home? Why is it the women in these situation who has to take the brunt of the blame? Why is society so eager to spurn these women and not the one who has deserted their famliles and wives?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    It's more the Womans fault in my opinion, as a woman can procure sex from almost any man. Why does she choose a married one? Thats not to say the married man isn't at fault either.
    A man cannot get sex as easily as a Woman, therefore whenever he scores he is a stud. It is an achievement for him. A woman need only open her legs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭chickenhawk


    In this case I have to agree that the guy is the homewrecker. But I don't think the woman is free of guilt either. She (I presume) knew he was married and still went along with it.

    However she has taken most of the blame because she is famous and an easy person to do profiles on etc which fills pages.

    Anyone who cheats on another person is a cnut imo. The person who has the relationship/family etc and still cheats is doing something much worse then the single person and deserves all the bad stuff that happens. So in this case the guy deserves to be the one called a cnut.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I have to say I think Kinetic^ has a point. I have found women are generally much worse than men at branding other women sluts, whores etc. You'll hear more women brand women, too fat, bad dress sense, bad mothers, too skinny, too pushy etc. Do not get me wrong men can be as bad sometimes, but not nearly to the same extent. Especially about complete strangers.

    Most men would have ms miller on the radar as some tottie they've seen half naked in loaded, that as far as they recall was shagging that bloke jude law. That's about the extent of their knowledge. I would put money that most of those calling her a slapper are other women reading those mags and editors male and female serving it up to an audience that wants to read that guff.

    Personal opinion in the case of infidelity? He's a fool led by his willy and she's a fool led by her crotch and often compounded by the idea he'll leave the wife and kids. If she's just in it for the shaggete then she's a slapper with no sense of responsibility. IMHO I think the husband in these cases is far worse as he has a responsibility to the wife and kids as well as to himself.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    WindSock wrote: »
    It's more the Womans fault in my opinion, as a woman can procure sex from almost any man. Why does she choose a married one? Thats not to say the married man isn't at fault either.
    A man cannot get sex as easily as a Woman, therefore whenever he scores he is a stud. It is an achievement for him. A woman need only open her legs.
    But then surely a man has to degrade himself more in order to get sex? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Burial


    panda100 wrote: »
    So when a man sleeps around a lot what is the term for it?
    A slut?
    A Slapper?
    A Whore?
    These to me seem words more synonmous with females, But perhaps thats just me.
    And the term homewrecker I think most certainly is associated with women. Why isnt Balthazar Getty the one being brandished a 'homewrceker'? Is he not really the one responsible for wrecking his home? Why is it the women in these situation who has to take the brunt of the blame? Why is society so eager to spurn these women and not the one who has deserted their famliles and wives?

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Homewrecker

    "One who comes into your life, and screws it all up. This involves stealing your boyfriend/girlfriend, puppy, your friends, until they pretty much take over your entire life."

    That is why Sienna is a homewrecker. And look up slut, slapper, and everything you just said. They apply to females, not males. As for male terms (If confronted by the BF/OH):

    Wanker,
    Prick,
    Man-Whore,
    etc,

    I've hinted this in my last post, and I'm going to ask it now.

    Can you tell me of a celebrity married female who cheated with a single man?

    P.S.

    It's mostly women who call other women those names you say. Men usually talk about fighting/hurting the other guy, rather then resorting to name calling...

    P.P.S

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=man%20whore

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=man-slut

    Look at any of the words associated with those....

    P.P.P.S

    So yes, Sienna is a home-wrecker, but if the roles were reversed, whoever slept with her would be the home-wrecker.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    WindSock wrote: »
    It's more the Womans fault in my opinion, as a woman can procure sex from almost any man. Why does she choose a married one? Thats not to say the married man isn't at fault either.
    A man cannot get sex as easily as a Woman, therefore whenever he scores he is a stud. It is an achievement for him. A woman need only open her legs.


    Rubbish if he wanted to have an affair he chooses to have one.

    I find the idea that a man can not pass up sex on a plate even when he is in a committed relationship to be insulting.

    Ah poor men it's not there fault some "slapper" offered him sex....
    Bullshít, utter bullshít.
    He is the one who took vows and swore oaths and he is the one who broke them, I find him to be there for more culpable.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Burial wrote: »
    So yes, Sienna is a home-wrecker, but if the roles were reversed, whoever slept with her would be the home-wrecker.
    Surely the married party (and in this case, parent) is also the homewrecker?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    A goodly part of the double standard comes from biology and how society views that biology. It's basically down to paternity. A woman knows the child she gives birth to is hers, a man doesn't. He may be fairly sure, but not completly sure. At least for 99% of our history. There are paternity tests now, but that hasn't reset the mechanism yet. This wasn't so much an issue in small tribal groups, but became one when we settled down in one place and property, social position and power got handed down to children. In those case paternity was very important. It was all about the "true" heir, hence many if not most societies in the past put a very high value on women's virginity and fidelity. Women became much more sexually restricted on the back of this and "bastard" was a highly insulting term.

    Now as windsock points out it is much easier for a woman to get sex, so it's a sellers market in many ways. It's the woman who chooses the man she sleeps with. Not so much the other way around(though guys would love to think they had some say in the matter).

    While it is a sellers market there does exist a smaller amount of men that more women want to sleep with. In our society a monetarily wealthy man will have far more options of sexual partners than a poor man. Around those high value males women are more competitive with each other. At a basic level a married or attached man is already ahead of his peers in value as at least one woman finds him of value. That tends to attract other women more at which point in extremis some women will ignore any thoughts of female solidarity.

    Now beauty in women is valued by men and a beautiful woman will also have men competing for her, but if she's thought of as "easy" those same men will not be as interested. A man with a girlfriend will get more attention than a woman with a boyfriend. In general a woman finding out the guy she likes the look of has had a few conquests in the past is much less of a barrier than a man finding out a woman he likes has had the same amount of conquests.

    Also in my experience at least, far more women will make a play for a friends man than men will with a male friend's woman. I can think of at least three times in my own past where this has happened with a "best friend" of a girlfriend of mine, or the "friend" will try to sabotage the relationship for reasons beyond concern for her friend. Among my male mates it would be a similar enough number. I can think of only 2 situations where it happened the other way around with men and in both cases they were completely ostracised. I would say in general women are more instantly suspicious of another woman around their boyfriend/husband(especially if she thinks she's prettier).

    With this as a background I'm not that surprised that women may call another woman a slut or homewrecker. Throw in the fact that the wronged woman has more to lose. Also throw in that women know that too many men are dumb enough to fall for something shiny and new and I can see why. Men can be equally daft.

    My 2 cents anyway.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    panda100 wrote: »
    So you think that women who sleep around deserve to be called names then?

    When single i'll sleep with whoever i want. Doesn't bother me if they are married or engaged or what have you.

    I should be called names.

    So yes, they should.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wibbs wrote: »
    in extremis some women will ignore any thoughts of female solidarity

    I'm sorry Wibbs but female solidarity is a myth. Men tend towards social cohesion and women tend towards social differentiation, it is a simple sociological fact. Labov, studying language shifts in New York, observed this trend and numerous other sociologists and anthropologists have observed similar trends.

    There is no such thing as female solidarity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


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    Sums Sienna up !


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Dragan wrote: »
    When single i'll sleep with whoever i want. Doesn't bother me if they are married or engaged or what have you.
    I will say that most of the one night stands I've had it turned out they had a boyfriend. In two cases they were actually engaged. In my defence in most cases I found this out afterward. In the cases where I knew beforehand, they had told me they weren't single, but acted quite differently. Have women never wondered why telling a bloke that you have a boyfriend doesn't stop him trying it on? Mostly it's because they're muppets, but sometimes it's because they have experience that tells them it doesn't always matter(that goes for men too of course).
    I'm sorry Wibbs but female solidarity is a myth. Men tend towards social cohesion and women tend towards social differentiation, it is a simple sociological fact. Labov, studying language shifts in New York, observed this trend and numerous other sociologists and anthropologists have observed similar trends.

    There is no such thing as female solidarity.
    Oh no I agree in general, or at least female loyalty to friends is ofetn different to how men's loyalty works(bros before hoes kinda thing). Especially when it comes to a man two of them want. Chris rock has something along those lines as part of his routine, a man shows up to meet his mates with a new girfriend who is gorgeous and lovely and generally wonderful. As he leaves his mates go, he's a lucky bastard, how did he pull her? I'm gonna get a woman like that. A woman shows up to meet her mates with Mr handsome and rich and wonderful and as she leaves her mates go; she's a lucky bitch, how did she pull him? I'm gonna get that man.:D

    I do think it is in general though. I've women mates who have never or would never try it on with a friends bloke eve if they fancied the arse of him. I've see that payed out too. Women are very supportive of each other in other ways too. It's just when the contents of the pants are involved some are utterly ruthless.

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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Dudess wrote: »
    But then surely a man has to degrade himself more in order to get sex? :)

    Look, some of us are just into that sort of thing, ok? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Jules


    Ok, can i just clarify that this thread is not about sienna herself, she was used as an .. all together now... EXAMPLE!

    Now we have gotten past that i agree Panda. I have had xx amount of sexual partners but my OH has been with xxx amount. He thinks it is shocking amount even thought i am older then him and he has been with more. Girls are branded sluts and slappers where guys are slapped on the back and told they are great.

    Why?


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    I suppose it's because historically the male imperative was to spread our seed as far and wide as possible, and so by sleeping with as many women as possible we'd doing our best to propogate the species, which was considered a manly thing to do. On the other hand, historically women were expected to look after the offspring of all this manliness, their role was as mere sperm recepticles and baby factories. A woman who actually enjoyed sex and sought it out would have been seen to be rebelling against what society expected of her, and therefore got labelled accordingly. Of course all of this is from the Dark Ages, you'd have thought we'd have grown up a bit by now, wouldn't you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Zaph wrote: »
    Look, some of us are just into that sort of thing, ok? :D
    Slut... :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭spinandscribble


    The male slut term is CAD, but tbh i know a few guys that call themselves that.
    I think she deserves those names, she knew what she was doing.

    Yes, he should be called names too but i guess people have always thought this type of behaviour is typical of men and women know better. its not right so how about we come up with a word for a male slut?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,252 ✭✭✭✭Madame Razz


    Meh, some people are just prejudiced, and some are on the eternal quest for perfection.

    I find older men, ironically, less concerned by the number of sexual partners that a woman has had, compared to their younger counterparts. Younger men seems more hung up on it, but then they haven't been around long enough to realise that perfection doesn't exist, but that that special someone does.

    I have been branded a slapper before(an unfair jibe I hasten to add), by somebody who quite literally would sleep with anything that moved(as long as it had a big wallet!) I thought this was priceless!! The parameters can widen/narrow as people see fit!!!

    I have now reached the conclusion that some girls just wanna have fun, some girls have low self-esteem, and some girls are mercenary whores.

    I dont dont dont do married men though....thats a whole different ball game, and one i certainly don't want to play;)


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    The male slut term is CAD, but tbh i know a few guys that call themselves that.

    Cad is a very outdated word, as is philanderer, which is the same thing. However, because their use is mired in the 20s and 30s, a lot of people seem to think that describing someone in those terms affords them a certain roguish charm. Slut, on the other hand, has lasted since the 15th century through to modern day, and consequently no-one is in any doubt what is meant when a woman is called a slut. It's also a much harsher sounding word, which adds to the venom when it's directed at someone. Unfortunate that it's turned out that way, as I agree that that sort of behaviour is not gender specific and it takes two to tango.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Reku


    Kinetic^ wrote: »
    The reason she's been branded as such is because of the target marked for retarded celeb mags/programs are 99% female. With women being exceptionally hateful towards one another, it sells more when it's the woman that's being a <insert slut alternative>.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    I have to say I think Kinetic^ has a point. I have found women are generally much worse than men at branding other women sluts, whores etc. You'll hear more women brand women, too fat, bad dress sense, bad mothers, too skinny, too pushy etc. Do not get me wrong men can be as bad sometimes, but not nearly to the same extent. Especially about complete strangers.

    Most men would have ms miller on the radar as some tottie they've seen half naked in loaded, that as far as they recall was shagging that bloke jude law. That's about the extent of their knowledge. I would put money that most of those calling her a slapper are other women reading those mags and editors male and female serving it up to an audience that wants to read that guff.
    Exactly, which gender is far more prone to using the term "slut" in a rather hateful manner, and actually has more of an actual issue with women behaving like this?
    It'd probably simply down to gender, men try to relate to the man and so simply end up thinking about getting to have sex with the second woman as well as the first, whereas women try to relate to the females, but rather than choose to feel a sense of guilt prefer to empathise more with the man's original partner and so adopt a hostility to the second woman.


    But then with all the geneology studies on the matter coming back with 30-40% of kids not being the children of the person who they thought was their father perhaps it's just that having a woman caught being the other woman or cheating on her partner is perhaps a bit too close to home for 30-40% (well technically less since in some instances more than one of these kids may be offspring of the same mother) of women with children, and so the best way to appear innocent is to jump to extreme condemnation of the woman who was caught.:rolleyes:

    Hope the man's wife has enough sense to have left him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    I find the idea that a man can not pass up sex on a plate even when he is in a committed relationship to be insulting.


    Why are you insulted? Of course not all men have affairs when offered to them. I also didn't say they were at fault either if they do. I don't agree they should get off scot free when found out but I also think the Woman who chooses to go for the married man is disgusting. Not all men are as strong willed to be able to fight off temptation and there are women out there that know this. It's as if it gives them an ego boost to have a man that is married rather than a man that is single.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭John Mason


    Kinetic^ wrote: »
    The reason she's been branded as such is because of the target marked for retarded celeb mags/programs are 99% female. With women being exceptionally hateful towards one another, it sells more when it's the woman that's being a <insert slut alternative>.

    QFT

    The only women and tabloids that are aimed at women that called each other names such hateful names. I would think men and myself couldnt give a flying f.cuk what she does, thats her business


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Wibbs wrote: »
    A man with a girlfriend will get more attention than a woman with a boyfriend.

    It's funny how this is, yet Men seem to get a lot more jealous if they see anothera Man chatting up his bird, rather than the other way around.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Zaph wrote: »
    and consequently no-one is in any doubt what is meant when a woman is called a slut. It's also a much harsher sounding word, which adds to the venom when it's directed at someone.

    Men can be called Sleaze. Words with an 'uh' in them like cunt and slut seem to have a harsher sound though, so maybe the equivalent for a man is Scum? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,252 ✭✭✭✭Madame Razz


    Surely the term male slapper or man whore suffices?? Thats what I would call any man who was a bit 'loose';)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Burial


    Surely the term male slapper or man whore suffices?? Thats what I would call any man who was a bit 'loose';)

    This is what I've said, but no-one listened to me! No-one ever does :(

    As from what I can gather, people are still annoyed as to why mainly girls are called "homewreckers". What they don't get is that, statistically speaking, it's mostly married men who sleep with single women. Therefore the woman is the homewrecker. If the roles were reversed the man is the "homewrecker". I ask people to find a celebrity couple in which a married woman slept with a single man. That man would be the homewrecker.

    A homewrecker is someone who came into a marreid persons life and stole/took the OH away from them. So Sienna was the homewrecker....

    *EDIT*
    Dudess wrote:
    Surely the married party (and in this case, parent) is also the homewrecker?

    I would've thought so, but homewrecker is the person who had the affair with the married person...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    panda100 wrote: »
    Has anyone else been really pissed off by the unfair coverage of Sienna Miller in the media recently?
    It's not exactly unfair...
    I ask, why oh why is it always the (innocent) women that always gets the blame for marriage breakdowns/splits etc.
    In fairness, she's far from innocent.
    panda100 wrote: »
    So you think that women who sleep around deserve to be called names then?
    No, women who sleep with married men do, and the men deserve to be called all the names under the sun too for being complete bastards.


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