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Countries returning faulty masks from China

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  • #102
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    thebaz wrote: »
    Russia have been very quiet regarding the whole crisis - if it wasn't so serious you could see it as a big game , to see who is Top dog - in January Trump seamed happy with china , a few weeks ago he was tweeting it the China virus - Ther has been a lot of posturing under the Trump admin, but then you have to wonder why did Russia want him in the Oval office , the past few days I can see why

    Russia keeping a low profile was probably more to do with their planned constitutional referendum, trying not to bring any attention to it while the rest of the world was distracted


  • #103
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    thebaz wrote: »
    Russia have been very quiet regarding the whole crisis - if it wasn't so serious you could see it as a big game , to see who is Top dog - in January Trump seamed happy with china , a few weeks ago he was tweeting it the China virus - Ther has been a lot of posturing under the Trump admin, but then you have to wonder why did Russia want him in the Oval office , the past few days I can see why

    Indeed a Navy Captain removed from his position for daring to look after the men and women reporting to him, or the incident with the German bio company. Really highlights how bad his administration is.


  • #104
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Russia keeping a low profile was probably more to do with their planned constitutional referendum, trying not to bring any attention to it while the rest of the world was distracted

    When or if this ends soon, the next big event is the American election , for a country that has produced so many great people , the standard of candidates is astoninishgiy poor - Biden is ok, but a leader of a Super power ?

    Is it too late for the New York Governor Cuomo to make a late entry ? he's been good in a disaster


  • #105
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Calhoun wrote: »
    Indeed a Navy Captain removed from his position for daring to look after the men and women reporting to him, or the incident with the German bio company. Really highlights how bad his administration is.

    The press conference last night with Pence was car crash stuff.


  • #106
    stockshares
    Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    thebaz wrote: »
    The press conference last night with Pence was car crash stuff.

    Every conference is. All he does is crawl up Trumps hole.


  • #107
    Still waters
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Still waters


    Calhoun wrote: »
    Indeed a Navy Captain removed from his position for daring to look after the men and women reporting to him, or the incident with the German bio company. Really highlights how bad his administration is.

    Can you provide a link to the navy story


  • #108
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Still waters wrote: »
    Can you provide a link to the navy story

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52145230


  • #109
    Still waters
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Still waters


    thebaz wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52145230

    Crazy stuff, little more than a dictatorship


    Edit; outside chain of command, not a dictatorship


  • #110
    Venom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    Still waters wrote: »
    Crazy stuff, little more than a dictatorship


    I'd say it's more down to the fact he went outside of the chain of command by leaking the memo to the press. Military types kinda take that kind of stuff seriously.


  • #111
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Venom wrote: »
    I'd say it's more down to the fact he went outside of the chain of command by leaking the memo to the press. Military types kinda take that kind of stuff seriously.
    Yep. Plain and simple. It would be the same end result for any navy Captain in the world.
    But we gotta have the hysterics.

    Wonder why the thread title says "Countries returning faulty masks from China" and yet it gets redirected to Trump and Pense by a few posters each time.


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  • #112
    stockshares
    Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Dr Paul O Brien is critical if the way the HSE placed the order.

    https://twitter.com/Paul_Chemlinked/status/1246161462625796096?s=19


  • #113
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    Maybe this has been asked before but how in the name of god are these PPE shipments costing €35 million a piece? Total cost €235 million

    Last Sunday 6/7 containers left Dublin airport for distribution. That’s €5 million per container for single use glasses gowns face masks etc.

    A 20ft container is roughly 6 m long 2.5m wide and 3m high.

    I know supplies worldwide are low and in high demand and you expect to pay over the top but €5 million per container is an astronomical cost.

    And some of this is now not suitable for use. Who sourced this ? Surely you should know what your getting if acquiring PPE at that cost.


  • #114
    [Deleted User]
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    stockshares wrote: »
    Dr Paul O Brien is critical if the way the HSE placed the order.

    https://twitter.com/Paul_Chemlinked/status/1246161462625796096?s=19

    How does that explain the **** quality masks? So its our fault we got absolutely scammed out of 200+ million euro? I suppose it is what we get for trusting communist ideologues who view everyone that isnt them as subhuman.


  • #115
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Can't wait for this gear to be made in Europe, no reason at all it can't be.....

    Recycling our own plastic waste instead of shipping it to countries where it either is dumbed in land, in the sea or beaches and even new land created by the piles......


    It's all put in the recycling bin but then really is much actually recycled at all.


  • #116
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Maybe this has been asked before but how in the name of god are these PPE shipments costing €35 million a piece? Total cost €235 million

    Last Sunday 6/7 containers left Dublin airport for distribution. That’s €5 million per container for single use glasses gowns face masks etc.

    A 20ft container is roughly 6 m long 2.5m wide and 3m high.

    I know supplies worldwide are low and in high demand and you expect to pay over the top but €5 million per container is an astronomical cost.

    And some of this is now not suitable for use. Who sourced this ? Surely you should know what your getting if acquiring PPE at that cost.

    I’d say partly it’s because it’s medical grade and partly because it’s supply and demand. It’s likely we outbid other western countries for this stuff. Either splash the cash and have this PPE or have nothing.
    Only a fraction of 10% has been incorrect. Much of what has been delivered is perfect for use, some of of the appropriate standards but not of a type we are used to seeing.

    When literally the whole world is trying to get their hands on this stuff it’s actually good going that a country like Ireland is able to get a large contract.

    If you think they are expensive then just imagine not having them at all, that’s the alternative.


  • #117
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    riffmongous wrote: »
    After reading a few articles today.. I think by the time it's over people might be grateful to China for gettting anything at all.. with the reports now of countries hijacking shipments being delivered from Asia or transported through them, demanding their own companies don't sell abroad

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/global-battle-coronavirus-equipment-masks-tests

    They're at it again...

    https://www.rt.com/news/484935-us-takes-masks-germany/


  • #118
    kirving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,059 ✭✭✭kirving


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    I know supplies worldwide are low and in high demand and you expect to pay over the top but €5 million per container is an astronomical cost.

    If you think that's expensive, you should see what Irish medical companies charge the HSE, (and I'm sure others internationally) for simple equipment.

    I've personally seen medical equipment, which including the cost of the manufacturing (machinery, materials, etc) costs way below €5 to produce, but is being sold to the HSE for over €600.

    We are at absolutely the same thing on a day to day basis, so no surprise when we get the same treatment in return.


  • #119
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Maybe this has been asked before but how in the name of god are these PPE shipments costing €35 million a piece? Total cost €235 million

    Last Sunday 6/7 containers left Dublin airport for distribution. That’s €5 million per container for single use glasses gowns face masks etc.

    A 20ft container is roughly 6 m long 2.5m wide and 3m high.

    I know supplies worldwide are low and in high demand and you expect to pay over the top but €5 million per container is an astronomical cost.

    And some of this is now not suitable for use. Who sourced this ? Surely you should know what your getting if acquiring PPE at that cost.

    Based on what exactly? A ffp3 mask weighs 15g, a container has a weight limit of 25,000kg, if each mask costs 3 euro and its just full of masks guess what it works out at?


  • #120
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Based on what exactly? A ffp3 mask weighs 15g, a container has a weight limit of 25,000kg, if each mask costs 3 euro and its just full of masks guess what it works out at?

    Yeah that’s true but I doubt you’d fit volume wise 25 tonnes of face masks into a 20ft container.

    Anyway It’s still almost a 1/4 of a Billion euros for single use PPE. The mind boggles. Just seems like we’re getting royally ripped off.


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  • #121
    Podge201
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Podge201


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Yeah that’s true but I doubt you’d fit volume wise 25 tonnes of face masks into a 20ft container.

    Anyway It’s still almost a 1/4 of a Billion euros for single use PPE. The mind boggles. Just seems like we’re getting royally ripped off.

    They could have provided ky Jelly at least.


  • #122
    NaiveMelodies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,172 ✭✭✭NaiveMelodies


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Yeah that’s true but I doubt you’d fit volume wise 25 tonnes of face masks into a 20ft container.

    Anyway It’s still almost a 1/4 of a Billion euros for single use PPE. The mind boggles. Just seems like we’re getting royally ripped off.

    Less than 10 tonnes worth of surgical masks in a 40 foot (550,000). 600 per carton. 900 cartons squeezed in.


    Everyone is getting ripped off.

    What the HSE should be doing is filling 40 foot containers for arrival in the summer. Less than 3k a pop versus 40k plus for air freight.


  • #123
    Bushmaster64
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Bushmaster64


    Mauritania got a batch of testing kits from China which had been exposed to high temperatures and were useless upon arrival.


  • #124
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    A bouncy castle operator in Kilkenny has supplied 27 nursing homes around the country with face masks.

    You couldn't make this up.

    https://www.facebook.com/376334602459436/posts/2970889686337235/


  • #125
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Yeah that’s true but I doubt you’d fit volume wise 25 tonnes of face masks into a 20ft container.

    Anyway It’s still almost a 1/4 of a Billion euros for single use PPE. The mind boggles. Just seems like we’re getting royally ripped off.

    Yeah right, definitely not good quality masks anyway. I just meant without knowing the exact details of the order and what everyone else is paying at the moment it's hard to really judge. A shipment meant for France was outbid literally on the runway by US agents recently


  • #126
    sheepondrugs
    Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭sheepondrugs


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    They're at it again...

    https://www.rt.com/news/484935-us-takes-masks-germany/

    Source is from RT which is blatantly anti-US so you wouldn't know what to believe.
    But the initial global solidarity in responding to COVID-19 is definitely starting to wane.


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  • #127
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    sheepondrugs wrote: »
    Source is from RT which is blatantly anti-US so you wouldn't know what to believe.
    But the initial global solidarity in responding to COVID-19 is definitely starting to wane.

    I've read it elsewhere too, Austrian national news


  • #128
    mouldybiscuits
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭mouldybiscuits


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    We and other countries should learn from this and start making our own....

    Easily done and could use plastic that needs to be recycled instead of it ending up in countries that can't do anything with it other then dump it in the sea.....

    I actually can't understand it all how reliant they are on such a corrupt country such as China.

    I don't think it would be economically viable to make them in Ireland. The mass manufacturing plant would be too expensive for the miniscule profits made from extremely cheap products. And btw we're also reliant on the corrupt EU and we are pawns for the corrupt USA so I don't think we should throw stones at China who are also a good trade partner of ours.


  • #129
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,497 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Are people really surprised that goods that came from China weren't up to standard?

    We have always been forewarned when buying stuff from there. Masters of cheap tat.


  • #130
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    castletownman wrote: »
    Are people really surprised that goods that came from China weren't up to standard?

    We have always been forewarned when buying stuff from there. Masters of cheap tat.

    You do know that China is the worlds factory and while they have companies selling cheap tat there are also the backbone for allot of the current tech industry and allot of hardware comes from there.


  • #131
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    sheepondrugs wrote: »
    Source is from RT which is blatantly anti-US so you wouldn't know what to believe.
    But the initial global solidarity in responding to COVID-19 is definitely starting to wane.
    In order to get a balanced world view, I watch reports from France24, RT, Al Jazeera (one of the best) etc.
    RT has been woeful in their reporting of this pandemic.
    They focus on attacking Europe first (specifically the UK and France) and then the U.S.
    I understand the purpose of RT, but they could give it a rest and not be so blatant anti-Western during this worldwide pandemic.

    It's about to hit Russia now, so let's see how they report on the issues there.


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  • #132
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    castletownman wrote: »
    Are people really surprised that goods that came from China weren't up to standard?

    We have always been forewarned when buying stuff from there. Masters of cheap tat.

    Some kid that ordered a Pennywise costume from China...

    6c72a70972848bf3fce90bfdf1680132


  • #133
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,497 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Calhoun wrote: »
    You do know that China is the worlds factory and while they have companies selling cheap tat there are also the backbone for allot of the current tech industry and allot of hardware comes from there.

    Yeah I know that.

    Unfortunately it seems they are leaning towards the 'cheap tat' end of the scale here.


  • #134
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Super-Rush wrote: »
    A bouncy castle operator in Kilkenny has supplied 27 nursing homes around the country with face masks.

    You couldn't make this up.

    https://www.facebook.com/376334602459436/posts/2970889686337235/

    For a second there I thought you were going to say that they supplied the nursing homes with bouncy castles.


  • #135
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    China's efforts to help haven't gone smoothly, as several countries have reported faults with Chinese-made supplies.

    This began with Spain's recall of about 58,000 inaccurate rapid COVID-19 test kits late last week, and Turkey also casting aside a number of sample test kits that were faulty.

    This was then followed last Saturday by a Dutch recall of some 600,000 face masks that didn't provide an airtight seal.

    Australia also found fault with Chinese products, with Border Force officials telling the ABC on Wednesday that it seized $800,000 worth of faulty face masks and personal protective equipment (PPE) in recent weeks.

    The lesson is DON'T BUY ANYTHING FROM CHINA

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-04/china-coronavirus-covid-19-medical-supplies-recalled-regulation/12105110


  • #136
    Still waters
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Still waters


    Seamai wrote: »
    For a second there I thought you were going to say that they supplied the nursing homes with bouncy castles.

    How does it come about that a bouncy castle operator from kilkenny is supplying care facilities with ppe


  • #137
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Some kid that ordered a Pennywise costume from China...

    6c72a70972848bf3fce90bfdf1680132

    Well it's scary, they got that bit right.


  • #138
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Not just faulty, a recent report was that some test kits were actually infected:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/uks-attempt-ramp-coronavirus-testing-hindered-key-components/

    Extract:
    One of the suppliers - the Luxembourg-based firm Eurofins - sent an email on Monday morning to government laboratories in the UK warning that a delivery of key components called “probes and primers” had been contaminated with coronavirus and would be delayed.

    Might explain some of the various delays (in many countries) and rejection of sent supplies, classed as sub-standard.


  • #139
    NaiveMelodies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,172 ✭✭✭NaiveMelodies


    Still waters wrote: »
    How does it come about that a bouncy castle operator from kilkenny is supplying care facilities with ppe

    Tbf those shields are crap without a surgical or n95 mask. Only reason he managed to get some.


  • #140
    Podge201
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Podge201


    The Chinese are having some laugh at us right now.


  • #141
    YouSavedMyLife
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    Taiwan is your only man. The Czech PM is doing the right thing atm. Taiwan is the second biggest producer of medical masks in the world, after China. The European governments probably bought them from China because they were cheaper

    :rolleyes:


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  • #142
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,416 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Is the issue that the gear was not supplied as per spec we supplied or is it like the bogey DART carriages which were purchased with seats not designed for western European people sizes?


  • #143
    Dravokivich
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    YouSavedMyLife wrote: »
    Taiwan is your only man. The Czech PM is doing the right thing atm. Taiwan is the second biggest producer of medical masks in the world, after China. The European governments probably bought them from China because they were cheaper

    :rolleyes:

    Sure, Taiwan have a trade mark infringement out against china, regarding which china is the real china.


  • #144
    Balf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Balf


    [QUOTE=old_aussie;113050263

    The lesson is DON'T BUY ANYTHING FROM CHINA

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-04/china-coronavirus-covid-19-medical-supplies-recalled-regulation/12105110[/QUOTE]And if we knew this a couple of decades ago, the world would be a very different place.


  • #145
    stockshares
    Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Susan Mitchell in the Sunday business post has an audit of the Ppe order. See her twitter for more posts on it
    https://twitter.com/susmitchellSBP/status/1246554310827282439?s=19


  • #146
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Will there be a red carpet and a massive Garda escort for the stuff that needs to be returned or have the FG spin team any more wasteful and patronising ideas?


  • #147
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    stockshares wrote: »
    Susan Mitchell in the Sunday business post has an audit of the Ppe order. See her twitter for more posts on it
    https://twitter.com/susmitchellSBP/status/1246554310827282439?s=19
    If a load of the masks aren't suitable for clinical use, why not hand them out to the public, in particular the vulnerable and folks in care homes? They're going to be better than paper masks or scarves. If you get lemons you may as well make lemonade.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #148
    stockshares
    Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Wibbs wrote: »
    If a load of the masks aren't suitable for clinical use, why not hand them out to the public, in particular the vulnerable and folks in care homes? They're going to be better than paper masks or scarves. If you get lemons you may as well make lemonade.

    Paul Reid has said 65% is suitable for direct use and another 15% is available for substitute use if necessary.

    https://www.echolive.ie/nationalnews/HSE-briefing-65-of-PPE-delivered-suitable-for-direct-use-with-15-available-for-substitute-use-c7281236-8559-4e7a-bfb7-8754a705d428-ds


  • #149
    skellig_rocks
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    We definitely should try to source some PPEs from Taiwan.

    https://www.eupoliticalreport.eu/taiwan-donates-ppe-to-europe/
    "Taiwan is donating 10 million protective face masks to countries seriously affected by the COVID-19 pandemic. The masks will be divided amongst the United States, 11 European countries and 15 diplomatic allies"


  • #150
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Kivaro wrote: »
    And Spain has returned a good deal of faulty virus test kits back to the Chinese.
    It is ironic that China is going to make a fortune from this pandemic.
    France just ordered a billion face masks from them.

    They boought them from a dosgy supplier, their foreign minister of spain admited as much


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  • #151
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    half the stuff made in China is cheap tat...there only sending the stuff over to make themselves look good


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