Countries returning faulty masks from China

stockshares

The Netherlands, Spain, Austria and Czech Republic have had problems with faulty masks and other equipment delivered from China.

Some are returning theirs
https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/262896058/600-000-mondkapjes-uit-china-afgekeurd-door-ministerie

Story is breaking on Twitter now.

Ireland is expecting a delivery from China today. I hope they work correctly.

Kivaro

And Spain has returned a good deal of faulty virus test kits back to the Chinese.
It is ironic that China is going to make a fortune from this pandemic.
France just ordered a billion face masks from them.

punisher5112

We and other countries should learn from this and start making our own....

Easily done and could use plastic that needs to be recycled instead of it ending up in countries that can't do anything with it other then dump it in the sea.....

I actually can't understand it all how reliant they are on such a corrupt country such as China.

Wibbs

Kivaro wrote: »

It is ironic that China is going to make a fortune from this pandemic.

It's damned near criminal and one thing we should take from this when the dust settles is to bring more manufacturing closer to home and hit them hard in the pocket until they clean house. Even then nowhere should be reliant on one "factory", no matter how big.

punisher5112 wrote: »

I actually can't understand it all how reliant they are on such a corrupt country such as China.

China had a young population of cheap complaint and fairly well educated labour and western multinationals took full advantage of that and consumers were only to happy to buy their lower priced stuff on a rolling basis. The same companies would have run to North Korea if the price and production targets could be met. Not just companies, but governments too. And here we are. Reliant on overpriced medical supplies to fight a pandemic from the very country that caused this particular pandemic because of medieval animal husbandry practices.

Kivaro

I do hope that we learn from this pandemic.
This will not be the last pandemic that the country will see in the coming years, so let's make Ireland self-sufficient and capable of handling the next crisis (pandemic or economical). We have arable lands and an intelligent work-force, so let us be the deciders of our own fate.
Building the infrastructure for self-sufficiency will also employ a lot of workers after the dust settles from Covid-19.

punisher5112

I would actually applaud the Irish government if they started this and I'd happily pay a little extra in USC for it to happen.

Create more jobs at home too.

punisher5112

Actually another thing.... How do we know this new equipment if virus free and safe to use?

Donald Trump

punisher5112 wrote: »

Actually another thing.... How do we know this new equipment if virus free and safe to use?

Well I suppose that the conspiracy theorists might suggest that the last thing put on the plane might be a few squirts of virus in order to keep it spreading and keep demand up.


(I would imagine though they can just warehouse them for a few days....if they can afford to do that)

stockshares

punisher5112 wrote: »

Actually another thing.... How do we know this new equipment if virus free and safe to use?

If they haven't been checked in China I hope they are checked here before being given to Health Care Workers.

It will be interesting to see if this is brought up by Journalists on Monday.

Harry Palmr

No one tell Paddy Cosgrave he'll be very annoyed.

As I said on another thread - it's time for the world to stop outsourcing the world to China.

There are fundamental strategic weaknesses developing in the west, be it infrastructure capacity, PPE or 5G which has seen us become potentially enslaved to use a dramatic term.

punisher5112

Donald Trump wrote: »

Well I suppose that the conspiracy theorists might suggest that the last thing put on the plane might be a few squirts of virus in order to keep it spreading and keep demand up.


(I would imagine though they can just warehouse them for a few days....if they can afford to do that)

How, they need it straight from the plane, as in they need it distributed the minute it lands, they are near ran out.

stockshares

punisher5112 wrote: »

How, they need it straight from the plane, as in they need it distributed the minute it lands, they are near ran out.

It will need to be checked if it hasn't been. Otherwise it will lead to even worse problems in the Hospitals.

Paul Reid on Rte News now giving a briefing from City West. He gave credit to Alibaba. I presume the Chinese Ambassador contacted Alibaba to arrange the shipment.

I'm not sure how The Netherlands sourced their masks. Maybe they didn't go through Chinese Government. Apparently Spain didn't source them through Chinese Gov.

mvl

punisher5112 wrote: »

Actually another thing.... How do we know this new equipment if virus free and safe to use?

you'd think they use Germicidal UV-C light for what they get from offshore …

Marsden35

China providing the disease and the 'cure'.

Makes me sick. All the cover ups and lies. Still lying with their fake death toll that is actually five times higher.

When the dust settles, the international community really needs to divest from China and return manufacturing back. Especially of critical equipment.

If consumers have to pay a bit more for products (better made) then so be it. It's a smaller price to pay than another global meltdown due to China's poor food hygiene, menu choices and a communist government that lies every time their lips move.

And I say this not against Chinese people, but their odious government.

suicide_circus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fwgVUfW_O4

citysights

Wibbs wrote: »

It's damned near criminal and one thing we should take from this when the dust settles is to bring more manufacturing closer to home and hit them hard in the pocket until they clean house. Even then nowhere should be reliant on one "factory", no matter how big.

China had a young population of cheap complaint and fairly well educated labour and western multinationals took full advantage of that and consumers were only to happy to buy their lower priced stuff on a rolling basis. The same companies would have run to North Korea if the price and production targets could be met. Not just companies, but governments too. And here we are. Reliant on overpriced medical supplies to fight a pandemic from the very country that caused this particular pandemic because of medieval animal husbandry practices.

Well said Wibbs, when this settles definitely we should be manufacturing at home. Half the stuff we get from China we don’t need or else breaks easily. I think faith in Chinese goods is now seriously undermined by people who could not see this before.

stockshares

Paul Reid says Masks from China are to the WHO spec.

YouSavedMyLife

The WHO are puppets on a string to the CCP. Question authority and think for yourself. Look for the truth rather than what you are fed by the government's of the World. The power of the internet makes it easier than it's ever been

Dravokivich

YouSavedMyLife wrote: »

The WHO are puppets on a string to the CCP. Question authority and think for yourself. Look for the truth rather than what you are fed by the government's of the World. The power of the internet makes it easier than it's ever been

Not really, the power of the internet has left people unable to understand "Stay at home" unless you need to go out.

Del Griffith

Chinese company ≠ China

Spain definitely bought from an unlicensed company, don't know about the rest of them

thebaz

YouSavedMyLife wrote: »

The WHO are puppets on a string to the CCP. Question authority and think for yourself. Look for the truth rather than what you are fed by the government's of the World. The power of the internet makes it easier than it's ever been

Ther is a lot of online criticism of WHO and Director Tedros Adhanom -

Firstly being slow to act early February , saying nothing to worry about in China and no fear of a global pandemic - how wrong was that.
Secondly, praising the China response, which admitdly was good after Jan 27, but ther was an initial cover up in the December/early January , Dr Li being silenced , and then WHO came out and praised the overall China's response.

Beasty

Well if some of you are so determined to turn this into a China-bashing thread maybe you can look elsewhere for such a "debate"

Beasty

Re-opened at OP request following concerns raised about some of the equipment supplied to Ireland. Please heed my above warning about making this into a general China bashing thread - keep to the topic

Thanks

Irish_peppa

I hope the standards of production are better then these from where our PPE is coming from:eek:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kmgyo_1585580537

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=j9ZW_1585801833

Wibbs

Del Griffith wrote: »

Chinese company ≠ China

This. Plus the Chinese government know they're already in the dock for their early handling of it, their economy was in trouble before all this and this has hit them hard, so they simply can't afford any new scandals.

stockshares

George Lee says Problem with delivery from China
https://twitter.com/GeorgeLeeRTE/status/1245777867104976906?s=19

Fergal bowers on topic
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245951292687757314?s=19

skellig_rocks

China Resources supplied the PPE, according to this picture posted by HSE:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Resources

China Resources (Chinese: 华润) is a Chinese state-owned conglomerate that owns a variety of businesses in Hong Kong and Mainland China.

According to Fortune Magazine, China Resources was ranked 80th on the 2019 Fortune Global 500 list, improved 63 places since 2014.

This is the website of their pharmaceuticals division:
http://en.crc.com.cn/whatwedo/pharmaceuticals/

I don't think this company is an unlicenced company

storker

YouSavedMyLife wrote: »

The WHO are puppets on a string to the CCP. Question authority and think for yourself. Look for the truth rather than what you are fed by the government's of the World. The power of the internet makes it easier than it's ever been

The power of the Internet also makes it easier to find utter BS masquerading as hard fact.

Sir Guy who smiles

punisher5112 wrote: »

....... and I'd happily pay a little extra in USC for it to happen.

Create more jobs at home too.

Unfortunately most people wouldn't. In the last election only the Social Democrats and (I think?) Labour weren't promising tax cuts of various levels of generosity.

Look how that worked out for them.

stockshares

Can people keep on topic or the Mod could close this thread again.

BanditLuke

This is terrible bad news it true. Some of the best products in the world come from China but also some of the worst crap you could imagine. I'm guessing the contract for this PPE comes with a certain understanding they must be up to a certain standard or else they'll be shipped back. Now is not the time for our health care workers having to worry about the quality of the gear they use on a daily basis.

Yurt2

At the risk of getting a rap across the knuckles, are threads criticising the British government closed as 'Britain-bashing threads', or criticism of the US government closed as 'America-bashing threads?' Or is it unique to China?

Podge201

On Rte website the mention of the ppe. We would have been better off making masks out of the 20 million than giving it to the Chinese economy.

stockshares

BanditLuke wrote: »

This is terrible bad news it true. Some of the best products in the world come from China but also some of the worst crap you could imagine. I'm guessing the contract for this PPE comes with a certain understanding they must be up to a certain standard or else they'll be shipped back. Now is not the time for our health care workers having to worry about the quality of the gear they use on a daily basis.

Apparently this was sourced through the Ambassador. The ironic thing is it might be too heavy duty and unsuitable for hospitals but I'm not sure on that.

I've seen it posted on Twitter that there are 5 types of Ppe in China.
https://twitter.com/lsjngs/status/1245965744912785410?s=19

1 Civilian type
2 Medical types
1 Industrial
1 Military

skellig_rocks

Those PPEs are sourced from China Resources Group

https://insideireland.ie/2020/03/29/ppeconsignment/

Eoin O’Leary, Ireland’s Ambassador to the People’s Republic of China, thanked Mr MU Hong, of manufacturer China Resources Group.

stockshares

skellig_rocks wrote: »

Those PPEs are sourced from China Resources Group

https://insideireland.ie/2020/03/29/ppeconsignment/

Do you know which type was bought.

Surely they asked a medical professional which type they needed first and then had someone on the ground in China to inspect the order?

skellig_rocks

stockshares wrote: »

Do you know which type was bought.

Surely they asked a medical professional which type they needed first and then had someone on the ground in China to inspect the order?

I don't know what type of PPE HSE procured from China Resources Co. Ltd.


Maybe journalists should ask the HSE more about this issues at the press conference this evening. As this is very important to protect own health care workers.

stockshares

skellig_rocks wrote: »

I don't know what type of PPE HSE procured from China Resources Co. Ltd.


Maybe journalists should ask the HSE more about this issues at the press conference this evening. As this is very important to protect own health care workers.

I would imagine it will be asked, if it hasnt already on radio this morning.

lainey_d_123

Marsden35 wrote: »

China providing the disease and the 'cure'.

Makes me sick. All the cover ups and lies. Still lying with their fake death toll that is actually five times higher.

When the dust settles, the international community really needs to divest from China and return manufacturing back. Especially of critical equipment.

If consumers have to pay a bit more for products (better made) then so be it. It's a smaller price to pay than another global meltdown due to China's poor food hygiene, menu choices and a communist government that lies every time their lips move.

And I say this not against Chinese people, but their odious government.

They created the perfect conditions for the virus in their disgusting markets with animals piled up on on top of another, and now they're swanning around criticising other countries' responses to the virus they started. Some brass balls on them.

Honestly, would China ever just f**k off? The vile government has done enough damage. They should be ashamed and embarrassed, not trying to advise others and make more money and playing the racism card to try to stop people rightly criticising them.

You can see it even on this thread - warnings to stop 'China bashing'. Why silence facts, and complaints with a basis? Nobody is being racist or criticising Chinese people on an individual level, but blind political correctness and the refusal to allow criticism of China is why we are where we are.

lainey_d_123

Yurt! wrote: »

At the risk of getting a rap across the knuckles, are threads criticising the British government closed as 'Britain-bashing threads', or criticism of the US government closed as 'America-bashing threads?' Or is it unique to China?

+1

This total refusal to allow any criticism of China is bizarre. It's completely deserved. There's an entire thread dedicated to bashing the UK's response to coronavirus, but we're not allowed to criticise China?!

stockshares

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

+1

This total refusal to allow any criticism of China is bizarre. It's completely deserved. There's an entire thread dedicated to bashing the UK's response to coronavirus, but we're not allowed to criticise China?!

You can bash China in another thread. This thread is to discuss the delivery of masks from China only.

Kivaro

I was flabbergasted when this thread was shut down. So it's good to see it open again.
We need to see transparency not only in the discussion of the supply chain of critical goods from China, but also in the process that allows these discussions to be had on boards, as it may actually save lives.

It is inevitable that masks will be a hot topic going forward since countries and large cities around the world e.g. LA and New York, are now recommending that its people should be wearing some form of protection over their faces during this deadly pandemic.

Reading between the lines on reports in Ireland about the newly-arrived PPEs, there is obviously something not right with them ..... irrespective of the claim that they fall within WHO guideline specs.

We need to start manufacturing them within the country, and be creative in the sourcing of the raw materials.

stockshares

Kivaro wrote: »

I was flabbergasted when this thread was shut down. So it's good to see it open again.
We need to see transparency not only in the discussion of the supply chain of critical goods from China, but also in the process that allows these discussions to be had on boards, as it may actually save lives.

It is inevitable that masks will be a hot topic going forward since countries and large cities around the world e.g. LA and New York, are now recommending that its people should be wearing some form of protection over their faces during this deadly pandemic.

Reading between the lines on reports in Ireland about the newly-arrived PPEs, there is obviously something not right with them ..... irrespective of the claim that they fall within WHO guideline specs.

We need to start manufacturing them within the country, and be creative in the sourcing of the raw materials.

I agree. Hopefully people will keep on topic and keep this thread open.

When I heard there were problems with the Dutch delivery I feared the Hse would be careless with the order. They don't research companies properly if at all. It's all cost cutting or convenience.(although millions have been spent no research or inspection done. Too much trouble )

Cervical check could have been prevented by performing due diligence on companies providing tests and choosing the best not the cheapest.

The state did the same with the Children's Hospital. It works out more expensive in the long run. Penny wise and pound foolish.

lainey_d_123

stockshares wrote: »

I agree. Hopefully people will keep on topic and keep this thread open.

When I heard there were problems with the Dutch delivery I feared the Hse would be careless with the order. They don't research companies properly if at all. It's all cost cutting or convenience.

It's also hard to make decisions last minute, with stress and panic, which is why they should have been looking far, far sooner.

The whole world knew about the new coronavirus by the end of January, so why are people ordering PPE and masks now?!!

skellig_rocks

stockshares wrote: »

I agree. Hopefully people will keep on topic and keep this thread open.

When I heard there were problems with the Dutch delivery I feared the Hse would be careless with the order. They don't research companies properly if at all. It's all cost cutting or convenience.

Cervical check could have been prevented by performing due diligence on companies providing tests and choosing the best not the cheapest.

The state fine the same with the Children's Hospital. It works out more expensive in the long run. Penny wise and pound foolish.

In fairness China Resources Co. Ltd. is one of the largest conglomerate in China. If HSE are to procure equipment from China, they won't find a much better company to procure from.

skellig_rocks

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

It's also hard to make decisions last minute, with stress and panic, which is why they should have been looking far, far sooner.

The whole world knew about the new coronavirus by the end of January, so why are people ordering PPE and masks now?!!

I still remember this RTE article on 7 February 2020, while China is in the middle of the lockdowns and Diamond Princess in Japan:


https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0206/1113607-coronavirus-hse/

Interim Director of the Health Protection Surveillance Centre Dr John Cuddihy said the ability of the virus to transmit from person to person is limited.


He said there is no confirmed case in Ireland and people are extremely unlikely to catch the virus here.


Dr Cillian de Gascun said it was also an important factor that there are no direct flights from China to Ireland.


Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, he said the next couple of weeks will tell if China's containment efforts have been successful, adding that there has not been sustained human-to-human transmission in any country outside China since the outbreak, which is positive.


Dr De Gascun said there was still a lot that was unknown about the virus and while there is a lot of fundamental science and information that need to be collected, it is not believed to be readily transmissible from person to person, which is why there has not been a huge spread outside China.

stockshares

skellig_rocks wrote: »

In fairness China Resources Co. Ltd. is one of the largest conglomerate in China. If HSE are to procure equipment from China, they won't find a much company to procure from.

This is what's confusing. The order was sourced through the Ambassador and this company seems reputable.

Therefore it's a simple breakdown in communication. Surely they knew exactly what spec was needed.

Even if the wrong spec was chosen a simple check on the ground before delivery would solve the problem and save time.

The HSE has been careless here. Time is precious considering the amount of staff without ppe and the rate of transmission within the community.

Alf Veedersane

punisher5112 wrote: »

Actually another thing.... How do we know this new equipment if virus free and safe to use?

It's not, according to Jim Corr.

Sir Guy who smiles

Kivaro wrote: »

We need to see transparency not only in the discussion of the supply chain of critical goods from China, but also in the process that allows these discussions to be had on boards, as it may actually save lives.

Yes, we are solving the world's problems here on our forum.

jam_mac_jam

I think if we learn anything from this crisis; it is how weak we are that all manufacturing capabilities has been outsourced to China.

Wibbs

skellig_rocks wrote: »

I still remember this RTE article on 7 February 2020, while China is in the middle of the lockdowns and Diamond Princess in Japan:


https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0206/1113607-coronavirus-hse/

Yup. This should inform people to research for themselves across the multiple non tabloid actual scientific sources on such things rather than rely on academic experts tied to a lab repeating verbatim what bodies like the WHO put out. The WHO were still peddling that above nonsense when it was clear - even the Chinese were long saying it by that stage - that this was a dangerous viral outbreak and was spread person to person and was likely to go across the world.