Hand Sanitiser

c montgomery · 24-03-2020 10:48am

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am defending no one but have an open mind . Was it that hand sanitizer named in the article that you bought ?

I'll be contacting the lab directly to find out the cost to retailers.
I can afford the price paid no problem but I'm really pissed at the gouging.
People are really pulling together over the past few weeks and this goes against all of it.

I'll update once I have news.

voluntary · 24-03-2020 11:24am

jccg wrote: »

My daughters are putting teatree oil in the soap dispenser ,we cant get hand sanitiser but hopefully this will work,cant harm anyway

No need for that. Soap + water is as good as alcohol for this virus. The key is to remove the lipids/grease as this particular virus lives within a lipid molecule.

Use alcohol based sanitizers only where soap + water not available (work, shops, outside, public places, buses, trains etc).

voluntary · 24-03-2020 11:28am

If someone in your household has flu-like symptoms, consider regularly disinfecting objects in your home, since the new coronavirus has been shown to survive for 16 hours on plastics.

Never use different cleaning agents at the same time. Some household chemicals, if mixed, can create dangerous and poisonous gases.

If you use bleach, use one-quarter cup of bleach per 1 gallon of cold water, but be sure to follow directions on the product label. Make the diluted bleach solution as needed and use within 24 hours, as its disinfecting power fades with time, Duffy and Schaffner said.

Nonporous items like plastic toys can be dipped in bleach for 30 seconds. Household surfaces that won't be damaged by bleach should get 10 or more minutes of exposure.

Bleach solutions are hard on the skin, so don't use them as a substitute for hand-washing and/or hand sanitizer.

Many forms of alcohol, including rubbing alcohol, can kill germs. You can dilute alcohol with water (or aloe vera to make hand sanitizer) but be sure to keep an alcohol concentration of around 70% to kill coronaviruses, Duffy and Schaffner said.

Solutions of 70% alcohol should be left on surfaces for 30 seconds (including cellphones) to ensure they will kill viruses. Pure (100%) alcohol evaporates too quickly for such use.

Unlike bleach solutions, alcohol solutions will remain potent as long as they're kept sealed between uses. But a 70% alcohol solution with water is harsh on the hands and shouldn't be used as a substitute for hand-washing and/or hand sanitizer, Duffy and Schaffner said.

Hydrogen peroxide is typically sold in concentrations of about 3%. It can be used as is, or diluted to 0.5% concentration for effective use against coronaviruses on surfaces. It should be left on surfaces for one minute before wiping.

Natural chemicals such as vinegar and tea tree oil are not recommended for fighting coronaviruses.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-18/the-most-effective-ways-to-kill-coronavirus-in-your-home

BailMeOut · 24-03-2020 11:30am

c montgomery wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-companies-collaborating-in-national-interest-to-make-sanitiser-for-health-service-due-to-coronavirus-shortage-8ee24245-ec82-4ef6-8863-5d097820c86b-ds

It's these guys making it for national interest.

10 euro for 200ml in **************, robbing feckers

Higher price will help stop hoarding and if it was EUR1 for 200ml you'd probably walk out the door with 10 bottles.

RiseAbove4 · 24-03-2020 12:44pm

Re; P3 masks

There’s mad b*stards charging £300 Sterling for a pack of 5 online and saying they can’t guarantee you’ll get the brand you requested ðŸ‘€

Still looking for a link to a reasonably priced P2 or P3 mask and I just need the one

Cheers

TheChizler · 24-03-2020 1:22pm

jccg wrote: »

My daughters are putting teatree oil in the soap dispenser ,we cant get hand sanitiser but hopefully this will work,cant harm anyway

It can harm if people use something that has no effect in place using the real thing or washing their hands. Not saying your daughters are doing this by the way.

Wibbs · 24-03-2020 1:38pm

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

Re; P3 masks

There’s mad b*stards charging £300 Sterling for a pack of 5 online and saying they can’t guarantee you’ll get the brand you requested &#55357;&#56384;

We should regard profiteers like they do in war. Fine them, if that doesn't work prison. Though I'd happily line them up against the nearest wall. I'd be a bit of a fascist mind you. Oh and I'd most certainly include big business types too. They escape too damned often(QV nazi Germany).

endacl · 24-03-2020 6:46pm

jccg wrote: »

My daughters are putting teatree oil in the soap dispenser ,we cant get hand sanitiser but hopefully this will work,cant harm anyway

It will indeed. Soap is very effective.

endacl · 24-03-2020 6:47pm

BailMeOut wrote: »

Higher price will help stop hoarding and if it was EUR1 for 200ml you'd probably walk out the door with 10 bottles.

Price should be €1 a bottle.

€100 for the second bottle.

Zaph · 24-03-2020 7:02pm

endacl wrote: »

Price should be €1 a bottle.

€100 for the second bottle.

I saw a picture of a supermarket in Denmark doing exactly that. First bottle was cheap enough, but you have to pay through the nose for a second.

4068ac1elhodqr · 24-03-2020 8:15pm

jccg wrote: »

My daughters are putting teatree oil in the soap dispenser ,we cant get hand sanitiser but hopefully this will work,cant harm anyway

For any blokes would give the tea-tree oil fancy stuff a bit of a wide berth (endocrine disruptor).

Glycerin or WD40 oil if really needed, with a splash of brut/old spice.

Tork · 24-03-2020 11:42pm

I'd love for hand sanitiser to come back into the shops. Out of necessity, I still have to move around in the outside world a bit. Unless I start towing a tank of water and a bar of soap around with me, washing my hands isn't always practical.

voluntary · 25-03-2020 12:08am

What I find disappointing is that it's been over 3 months since the virus started spreading in China, the gov received the first reports of the risk of spreading the virus outside China in early January and yet they failed to ramp up the basic hand sanitizer production.
The hand sanitizer should be widely available in every shop and cheap as potatoes at this stage. How can people comply with advises to sanitize hands if we can't even buy a hand sanitizer?

jlm29 · 25-03-2020 12:14am

Tork wrote: »

I'd love for hand sanitiser to come back into the shops. Out of necessity, I still have to move around in the outside world a bit. Unless I start towing a tank of water and a bar of soap around with me, washing my hands isn't always practical.

Beauty basket.ie have it in stock online. Delivered via dpd, and quite quickly

sKeith · 25-03-2020 6:03pm

jlm29 wrote: »

Beauty basket.ie have it in stock online. Delivered via dpd, and quite quickly

€6 + post & packaging for 100ml.

Anywhere with reasonable prices?

Tork · 25-03-2020 6:22pm

A local distillery (small operation) is making it so that's where I got bottle today. It seems to be a side operation for a few of these sorts of places now.

voluntary · 25-03-2020 7:43pm

An economic homemade version:

500 ml of Methylated Spirit from woodies for 3.99 add 200 ml tap water and some glycerin or/and E capsule content.
keep it sealed so the alcohol doesn't vapor.

Don't drink! Methylated alcohol is poisonous.

sKeith · 25-03-2020 7:52pm

voluntary wrote: »

An economic homemade version:

500 ml of Methylated Spirit from woodies for 3.99 add 200 ml tap water and some glycerin or/and E capsule content.
keep it sealed so the alcohol doesn't vapor.

Don't drink! Methylated alcohol is poisonous.

Why would you drink hand sanitizer?

Is that where its all gone?

People drinking it?

TheChizler · 25-03-2020 8:54pm

voluntary wrote: »

An economic homemade version:

500 ml of Methylated Spirit from woodies for 3.99 add 200 ml tap water and some glycerin or/and E capsule content.
keep it sealed so the alcohol doesn't vapor.

Don't drink! Methylated alcohol is poisonous.

Do you have evidence that's effective?

Edit: I was thinking of white spirits. I guess the above would be about 65-70% alcohol so should work.

voluntary · 25-03-2020 10:01pm

Should have over 90% alcohol content, mostly ethyl with some additives so people don't drink it.

TrivialArguer · 25-03-2020 10:29pm

BailMeOut wrote: »

Arrived today at doorstep.

Do you know what country they came from?

sKeith · 25-03-2020 10:43pm

Darc19 wrote: »

No no no no

Stop the fake sh1te from fakebook

60% is sufficient. Some medical ones are 85%, but that is at the high end.

heh?

metalated is 90%+

mix 500ml to 200ml (71%+)

maybe add some other stuff, still quite above 60% that is sufficient.

What are you on about with your fake stuff?

Darc19 · 25-03-2020 10:49pm

sKeith wrote: »

heh?

metalated is 90%+

mix 500ml to 200ml (71%+)

maybe add some other stuff, still quite above 60% that is sufficient.

What are you on about with your fake stuff?

Apologies, I thought you were saying the sanitizer had to be 90%

Here's an easier way to make it

500ml Catalytic fragrance lamp liquid. It's 90% alcohol and has essential oils. Add 300ml aloe vera gel. Done.

Main brands are Lamp Berger and Ashleigh and Burwood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragrance_lamp

26-03-2020 11:53pm

I could do with an update on this, need a bottle for piece of mind for a pregnant lady, and/or some anti-bac wipes

Sleeper12 · 27-03-2020 12:03am

Deleted User wrote:

I could do with an update on this, need a bottle for piece of mind for a pregnant lady, and/or some anti-bac wipes

Handmade soap company is taking per orders for 100 ml bottles going on sale next week. You'll pay 7 or 8 euros for the sanitizer & 6 or 7 euros p&p. Expensive but it's 70 percent alcohol

jlm29 · 27-03-2020 12:09am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I could do with an update on this, need a bottle for piece of mind for a pregnant lady, and/or some anti-bac wipes

Beauty basket.ie still has it online. That’s where I bought from. As someone above pointed out, it’s probably overpriced for what it is (€10 for 200ml, €6 for 100), but I was happy enough to pay it to have a bottle on the go in the car.

lemmno · 27-03-2020 12:13am

maemae.ie has 4 50ml bottles for €15, expensive but supply, demand, cost of manufacturing is up.

beauty basket also has larger bottles still available.

Ubbquittious · 27-03-2020 12:21am

I was over a full week waiting for a bottle of isopropyl alcohol from Radionics. Usually thats stuff they have sitting on the shelf. I have no interest in using it to make hand sanitisers but maybe someone wants to have a go

https://ie.rs-online.com/web/p/precision-cleaners-degreasers/2274427/

lemmno · 27-03-2020 12:50am

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I was over a full week waiting for a bottle of isopropyl alcohol from Radionics. Usually thats stuff they have sitting on the shelf. I have no interest in using it to make hand sanitisers but maybe someone wants to have a go

https://ie.rs-online.com/web/p/precision-cleaners-degreasers/2274427/

Very handy to have for sanitising phones, iPads etc

shenanagans · 27-03-2020 1:21am

lemmno wrote: »

maemae.ie has 4 50ml bottles for €15, expensive but supply, demand, cost of manufacturing is up.

beauty basket also has larger bottles still available.

It's only 60%. Recommendations are over 60%.

cillchainnigh · 27-03-2020 1:31am

https://redmillsstore.ie/collections/new-for-aw19/products/foran-hand-sanitizer-with-70-alcohol-and-aloe-500ml?variant=32078384267350

€16 for 500ml bottle. Delivery by DPD.

Deagol · 27-03-2020 1:54am

Guys, Local hardware store has a big box of carbolic soap. That is the gold standard of hand sanitizing - at least it was 50 years ago

But seriously, its €1.50 a bar and is death to any virus or bacteria etc... it's what surgeons used for nigh on 100 years!

Never mind this alcohol, that is actually less effective than soaps. Only thing you need to do is have some water with you or nearby to use it!

Coralcoras · 27-03-2020 2:07am

I made DIY 10 liters for family and friends.

Took me a week to get the ingredients from the UK.

Here is the instructional video I used: https://youtu.be/oMyWATwyu5Q

Following on from the video link...I used pharmaceutical grade isopropyl alcohol 99.9% and carbomer 940. It’s functions the same as 980 and only difference is how it’s produced. I distilled water myself using a fairly simple method however it took a while so I recommend ordering some from amazon...It’s cheap.

My full recipe list is:
Isopropyl Alcohol 99.8%, distilled water, vegetable glycerin, carbomer 940, TEA to neutralize, and I needed cheapo ph test-sticks too. Going forward my only limiting ingredient is alcohol as I’ve a good supply of the less voluminous ingredients.

I also mixed a simple alcohol and water solution in a spray bottle for things like cards, purses and phones.

I aimed for an alcohol concentration of 70% after some research.

Side note: soap and water is best...this is just if you’re stuck. I did this for the challenge and it was fun. Don’t know what to do with myself now...

Edit: Compare this ingredient list with that of the hand sanitizer currently being sold by the handmadesoapcompany...identical

jlm29 · 27-03-2020 8:56am

Deagol wrote: »

Guys, Local hardware store has a big box of carbolic soap. That is the gold standard of hand sanitizing - at least it was 50 years ago
But seriously, its €1.50 a bar and is death to any virus or bacteria etc... it's what surgeons used for nigh on 100 years!

Never mind this alcohol, that is actually less effective than soaps. Only thing you need to do is have some water with you or nearby to use it!

It’s not much use if you have no water on hand, after shopping etc.

27-03-2020 1:04pm

Thanks for the help :-)

Loafing Oaf · 27-03-2020 3:41pm

Two bottles of this stuff arrived today:
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WE'RE SAVED!

voluntary · 28-03-2020 12:53pm

Just checked the hand saniitiser I got in pre-pandemic times in LIDL. The alcohol is listed on the second position after aqua, so it must be below 50% alcohol content. Be aware.

TheChizler · 28-03-2020 2:07pm

voluntary wrote: »

Just checked the hand saniitiser I got in pre-pandemic times in LIDL. The alcohol is listed on the second position after aqua, so it must be below 50% alcohol content. Be aware.

That's a labeling rule for food packaging, are you sure it applies here as well?

lemmno · 28-03-2020 2:29pm

Can’t speak for Lidl but an old Aldi bottle that I found at the bottom of my handbag is 73.5%.

60% is minimum according to WHO. So 59% isn’t effective but 60% will be is how I interpreted it, so those mae mae bottles should be ok if we can’t find stronger. Lots of local distilleries making their own now too, like Listoke gin.

ceegee · 28-03-2020 2:41pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Two bottles of this stuff arrived today:

WE'RE SAVED!

Slight downside is the craving for Thai food since I started using it. Damn you lemongrass!

seefin · 28-03-2020 3:40pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I was over a full week waiting for a bottle of isopropyl alcohol from Radionics. Usually thats stuff they have sitting on the shelf. I have no interest in using it to make hand sanitisers but maybe someone wants to have a go

https://ie.rs-online.com/web/p/precision-cleaners-degreasers/2274427/

What % alcohol is isopropyl or does it depend on where made? Mix with aloe Vera to wash hands after shops ?

TheChizler · 28-03-2020 3:42pm

seefin wrote: »

What % alcohol is isopropyl or does it depend on where made? Mix with aloe Vera to wash hands after shops ?

Electronics stuff will normally be 99.9% pure so you need to dilute it otherwise your hands will be fecked.

voluntary · 28-03-2020 3:56pm

TheChizler wrote: »

That's a labeling rule for food packaging, are you sure it applies here as well?

It seems like the one Lidl sells in UK has high alcohol content, but the one sold in Ireland doesn't. Not sure if that's right.

Just googled images of UK version, has a 'highly flammable' marks on the back and says 73.5% alcohol

The one I have has nothing like that:

Mr E · 28-03-2020 4:14pm

Mod: Guys I deleted the home made hand santiser recipe as it's potentially dangerous. If anything was to happen, it could blow back on this site. Sorry.

28-03-2020 6:37pm

cillchainnigh wrote: »

https://redmillsstore.ie/collections/new-for-aw19/products/foran-hand-sanitizer-with-70-alcohol-and-aloe-500ml?variant=32078384267350

€16 for 500ml bottle. Delivery by DPD.

I got next day delivery on this :-)

Nice stuff too

4068ac1elhodqr · 28-03-2020 7:16pm

Needless to say if you do make some stuff it needs to be very clearly labeled, and stored out of low reach.

Over in Iran, hundreds of lads are now brown bread, after having a swig at Methanol, in search of a magic cure.
Their high alchohol based paint-stripping solution must have been hugely misinterpreted (guess that happens under a regime, without free flow of information or booze),
this happened after a British chap there, casually told someone in passing, that he took whisky and honey to relieve his symptoms.

leex · 28-03-2020 7:54pm

Just saw this on Facebook - manufactured by a Galway company. 16euro incl delivery for a 500ml bottle

https://ghagri.com/index.php/product/gh-hand-and-surface-sanitiser/

1hnr79jr65 · 28-03-2020 7:54pm

Mr E wrote: »

Mod: Guys I deleted the home made hand santiser recipe as it's potentially dangerous. If anything was to happen, it could blow back on this site. Sorry.

That's fair enough, i understand why, was only offering a potential solution.

Sam Hain · 28-03-2020 8:01pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Two bottles of this stuff arrived today:

WE'RE SAVED!

Could you tell me how long did it take to arrive and who was the courier?Ordered some last weekend to my Mums gaff but nothing yet.

shenanagans · 28-03-2020 8:23pm

leex wrote: »

Just saw this on Facebook - manufactured by a Galway company. 16euro incl delivery for a 500ml bottle

https://ghagri.com/index.php/product/gh-hand-and-surface-sanitiser/

Read small print. Not available until 7th April.

Hand Sanitiser

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