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Dairy Chitchat 3

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    #1952
    visatorro
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    Would you not be better off buying spring calvers for good value? Do you normally supply winter milk?


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    #1953
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    visatorro wrote: »
    Would you not be better off buying spring calvers for good value? Do you normally supply winter milk?

    No just wondering, not much on dd atm.


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    #1954
    K.G.
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    are the drug companies playing games lately trying to.stoke purchasing and.creat panic buying.at the moment you have a shortage of sealers another crowd its lepto vac is scarce a crowd today ringing up to book my rotovac.heard some one else say salmonella scarce.is it a game


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    #1955
    mahoney_j
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    K.G. wrote: »
    are the drug companies playing games lately trying to.stoke purchasing and.creat panic buying.at the moment you have a shortage of sealers another crowd its lepto vac is scarce a crowd today ringing up to book my rotovac.heard some one else say salmonella scarce.is it a game

    Add cephaguard dry cow to that list too. Seems to be shortages when farmers want all above


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    #1956
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    K.G. wrote: »
    are the drug companies playing games lately trying to.stoke purchasing and.creat panic buying.at the moment you have a shortage of sealers another crowd its lepto vac is scarce a crowd today ringing up to book my rotovac.heard some one else say salmonella scarce.is it a game

    They are delaying releasing products alright according to lad I deal with, he had too get 80 bobiseal tubes of us two week back to get a lad out of bother as the company wasn’t releasing them till a week after....
    Order everything here a few months in advance it’s a balls having to shell out early for vaccines you don’t need for months but a better option then going to buy it and it not available


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    #1957
    alps
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    visatorro wrote: »
    Would you not be better off buying spring calvers for good value? Do you normally supply winter milk?

    Spring calving stock calving in the spring I would put as questionable quality. Having carried all cows through the winter, for sure only the worst will get sold.

    At least there is some chance that fresh calves cows now have somehow fallen out of sync and may not now fit the system and get sold for this reason as opposed to potential. They may if course be less fertile but a good look at records would show a lot...


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    #1958
    straight
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Add cephaguard dry cow to that list too. Seems to be shortages when farmers want all above

    Yep, I had to get the other 1 day withdrawal tube this year. Cephafim or something.


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    #1959
    kevthegaff
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    Reading a few articles lately about ireland emission levels, are we going to see a scrapping of derogation/culling of dairy cows to meet targets. Or do ye think things will continue as is? I'm considering increasing cow numbers abit and was wondering what will happen in the future..


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    #1960
    jaymla627
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    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Reading a few articles lately about ireland emission levels, are we going to see a scrapping of derogation/culling of dairy cows to meet targets. Or do ye think things will continue as is? I'm considering increasing cow numbers abit and was wondering what will happen in the future..

    Big Phil is making alot of noise alright , their will be another 4 years to be got before any real pressure is put on to cap/reduce numbers, I wouldn’t personally be thinking long term 10 years plus you’ll get away with running anything over 170kgs/ha nitrate wise their could even be a reference year like Holland come into play going forward


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    #1961
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Big Phil is making alot of noise alright , their will be another 4 years to be got before any real pressure is put on to cap/reduce numbers, I wouldn’t personally be thinking long term 10 years plus you’ll get away with running anything over 170kgs/ha nitrate wise their could even be a reference year like Holland come into play going forward

    Was thinking a reference year is possible, slurry storage could be a big one


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    #1962
    Say my name
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    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Reading a few articles lately about ireland emission levels, are we going to see a scrapping of derogation/culling of dairy cows to meet targets. Or do ye think things will continue as is? I'm considering increasing cow numbers abit and was wondering what will happen in the future..
    Things will continue as is.

    If you look at the country as a whole there's not that really, that many dairy cows in the country.
    The densest area is west cork and cork.
    Followed by the northeast.

    There was a teagasc map of Ireland on Twitter showing dairy cows, soil carbon.
    But I can't find it now.


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    #1963
    K.G.
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    ithe young flashed something up in front of me last night to say that tbe emissions from cows.was.not now thought to be doing any damage .could have been a waterford whisper but maybe someone else saw it


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    #1964
    longgonesilver
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    Is this it?

    https://www.beefmagazine.com/grazing-systems/researchers-conclude-livestock-have-no-detectable-effect-climate?fbclid=IwAR3ckYl6zXL5tj9BnOydoSvTS0nBFAzbmxH_1-TujM_UNeh4gauoe5-xUE0


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    #1965
    yosemitesam1
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    K.G. wrote: »
    ithe young flashed something up in front of me last night to say that tbe emissions from cows.was.not now thought to be doing any damage .could have been a waterford whisper but maybe someone else saw it

    The methane side of things is fairly questionable which is about 60% of emissions, nitrous oxide though is another story as well as soil carbon if that's ever looked at properly


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    #1966
    Panch18
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    Is it questionable or just downright wrong

    There is an increasing volume of evidence coming out that scientists have been totally wrong on methane


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    #1967
    yosemitesam1
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    Panch18 wrote: »
    Is it questionable or just downright wrong

    There is an increasing volume of evidence coming out that scientists have been totally wrong on methane

    Dunno, I wouldn't know enough about that sort of thing to be sure. A lot of the "experts" don't either, most of them only follow the equations given by the IPCC to calculate emissions


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    #1968
    K.G.
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    it wasnt that but similar.


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    #1969
    straight
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    Sold my culls out of the parlour this morning. Got 370 average. They were worth at least 200 extra last year but sure I got alot of milk out of them. Need to try to stretch what silage I have now for the rest of them.


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    #1970
    Reggie.
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    Are there is people tight for silage out there?


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    #1971
    mahoney_j
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    Reggie. wrote: »
    Are there is people tight for silage out there?

    Yep and can’t get over how blaze some are regarding it ,one line I keep hearing is sure we had a great backend and we’ll surely get a good spring ,I wouldn’t like to be on the hunt next March/April .seems to be a bit for sale on done deal I’d buy now if I was short


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    #1972
    charolais0153
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Yep and can’t get over how blaze some are regarding it ,one line I keep hearing is sure we had a great backend and we’ll surely get a good spring ,I wouldn’t like to be on the hunt next March/April .seems to be a bit for sale on done deal I’d buy now if I was short

    Aragh but there was a great autumn though!:)


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    #1973
    whelan2
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    charolais0153 wrote: »
    Aragh but there was a great autumn though!:)

    My dry cows are still out. 50 cows in it now. Some saving on silage. Never had them out this late and happy out


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    #1974
    Timmaay
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    My dry cows are still out. 50 cows in it now. Some saving on silage. Never had them out this late and happy out

    Out on grass or just fed outside? Got all the drys and incalf heifers still out on 3 or 4ac of sandy ground, getting bales and ground conditions absolutely fantastic for them. Maiden calves still on grass, I'll tip away with them there for now as its still growing a good 10 across the farm, and calves only eating about 3, but I'd be pulling the plug if they were eating away at the afc.

    On fodder, still tight but I'm in a hell of alot better position than I was back in sept, I got rid of all culls, late calving and any beef animals and bought in some feed. As things stand that's all given me breeding room to buy in more incalf heifers now.


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    #1975
    whelan2
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    Out on grass or just fed outside? Got all the drys and incalf heifers still out on 3 or 4ac of sandy ground, getting bales and ground conditions absolutely fantastic for them. Maiden calves still on grass, I'll tip away with them there for now as its still growing a good 10 across the farm, and calves only eating about 3, but I'd be pulling the plug if they were eating away at the afc.

    On fodder, still tight but I'm in a hell of alot better position than I was back in sept, I got rid of all culls, late calving and any beef animals and bought in some feed. As things stand that's all given me breeding room to buy in more incalf heifers now.

    Out on grass. No silage fed to dry cows yet. They are grazing silage ground. Last spring I didn't even get to graze this ground before closing as it was so wet. There's plenty of grass on the grazing block for the spring


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    #1976
    GrasstoMilk
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    Reggie. wrote: »
    Are there is people tight for silage out there?

    Yep. I can only feed 8 kg silage per head to have enough till April 10th. Gap being filled with 2 kg straw and 2 kg oats for drys.
    Grass and nuts will fill up the gap when milking.
    Going to be tight but at least I know where I am

    We acted quickly here. We knew we weren't within an asses roar of having enough silage, so we made to decision to put in cubicles and use the straw we had bought for feeding. Needed cubicles any way so it was s no brainer


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    #1977
    Timmaay
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    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Yep. I can only feed 8 kg silage per head to have enough till April 10th. Gap being filled with 2 kg straw and 2 kg oats for drys.
    Grass and nuts will fill up the gap when milking.
    Going to be tight but at least I know where I

    Doing similar here, dry cows get one bale of silage and ad lib haylage, the one bale of silage I put along a strip wire so they all get their share. They seem happy out with it in fairness.


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    #1978
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    Looks like exports of calves next year is going to drop like a stone. There's problems with insufficient lairage space at Cherbourg and has to be booked before being allowed onto the boat. And they cannot just drive onto the next lairage like was allowed before either.

    And the new ferry from Dublin to Cherbourg won't be operating before May either.

    https://www.farmersjournal.ie/concern-for-calf-exports-next-spring-426117


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    #1979
    freedominacup
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    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Looks like exports of calves next year is going to drop like a stone. There's problems with insufficient lairage space at Cherbourg and has to be booked before being allowed onto the boat. And they cannot just drive onto the next lairage like was allowed before either.

    And the new ferry from Dublin to Cherbourg won't be operating before May either.

    https://www.farmersjournal.ie/concern-for-calf-exports-next-spring-426117

    Sexed b&w semen here and then bb after that so hopefully will mitigate the effects on us.


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    #1980
    straight
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    We'll have to speed up the development of our grass fed veal system


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    #1981
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    I'll be locked up till the start of May anyway so I hope it's sorted before then.


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