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Ironman Ireland 70.3 - Sept 2nd 2012

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    As CW suggests the swim could be anything on the day but why make it 'easy'? Its Ironman not Aluman. The only problem last year was attrocious communication of the changes (last minute abeit) and how the waves were affected incl cut offs.

    I would make some other changes:

    Transition could be brought back to the carpark that was used for 'staff parking' this year. It can easily accomodate the bikes with plenty of space for aisles of racking.

    The run can then start from the D'Arcy roundabout go through Salthill and out to the docks and come back via the Spanish Arch, Clladdagh and along the coast path the same as last year. It would take a lot of the technical turns and double backs out of the run and possibly make it 2 loops.

    The bike should stay exactly the same, but pressure on the Council to repair it properly. It is the main artery to the West, West and should be treated as such.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    As expected it looks like the National half marathon will be on the same day in the wesht (Athenry) so I'll be in Galway for the post IM beers? Where are our Western based folk hosting them? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭big mce


    I can't believe people are paying silly money to do this "Ironman" when an infinitely better and cheaper race is a week or so later, i.e. Lost sheep?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    big mce wrote: »
    I can't believe people are paying silly money to do this "Ironman" when an infinitely better and cheaper race is a week or so later, i.e. Lost sheep?

    - better location
    - pro field attraction
    - branding/hype
    - stronger entry field
    - world 70.3 qualy slots
    - Galway always a good weekend for most
    - convenience/travel time
    - some suckered by the "IM" status...


    The above may help you understand why paying a premium is acceptable for some/many.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Fazz wrote: »
    - better location
    Really? How? The fact that local knowledge suggests a 50% chance of a shortened or cancelled swim? Or is there something else?
    Fazz wrote: »
    - pro field attraction
    Name one tier 1 or tier 2 pro from 2011 that did it, without googling (ignore the trick question aspect, tier 3 will do)
    Fazz wrote: »
    - branding/hype

    Its all in the execution. I know UK 70.30 was a damb squib any year I did it. Out shone by Lisboa
    Fazz wrote: »
    - stronger entry field

    Averaged out the field will be substantially weaker
    Fazz wrote: »
    - world 70.3 qualy slots

    I do not understand the attraction of the "world" 70.30s
    Fazz wrote: »
    - Galway always a good weekend for most

    Its pretty much Dublin but the birds have weird accents.
    Fazz wrote: »
    - convenience/travel time

    Offset by higher accomodation costs
    Fazz wrote: »
    - some suckered by the "IM" status...

    It all boils down to this.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    tunney wrote: »
    Really? How? The fact that local knowledge suggests a 50% chance of a shortened or cancelled swim? Or is there something else?

    The fact it's a city, for many would be 1.5-2hours closer and is easier to get to.
    tunney wrote: »
    Name one tier 1 or tier 2 pro from 2011 that did it, without googling (ignore the trick question aspect, tier 3 will do)

    Mike aigroz
    Lucy gossage
    Rachel Joyce

    tunney wrote: »
    Its all in the execution. I know UK 70.30 was a damb squib any year I did it. Out shone by Lisboa

    Yes but hype of a IM 70.3 outshines a national half in advertising alone etc.

    tunney wrote: »
    Averaged out the field will be substantially weaker

    Not fair comparison due to significantly higher entry field in Galway.
    The winners would be faster, and the losers would prob be slower as with many big events bar ones you've to qualy for

    tunney wrote: »
    I do not understand the attraction of the "world" 70.30s

    I'd see an event that requires qualification, is televised, has the worlds best at it and is in an attractive location as pretty appealing personally.
    tunney wrote: »
    Its pretty much Dublin but the birds have weird accents.

    Yes it is, meaning it's better than Kenmare ;):D

    tunney wrote: »
    Offset by higher accomodation costs

    Offset by less travel costs and time :p

    tunney wrote: »
    It all boils down to this.....

    Horses for courses...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭mrbungle


    tunney wrote: »
    It all boils down to this.....

    Horses for courses...[/Quote]


    Plus this year after my 2nd Galway 70.3 I will official be a full Ironman!
    2 years in the making! ;-)

    Bottom line is: my wife buys Jimmy Choos which cost €500-700 at times. She looks for bargain shoes for €50-80 also. She get great enjoyment out of both, so does her mates, they all chat about shoes. I don't really understand the hype that goes with the shoe thing but it's something she enjoys, gets to show off, talk about, look forward to, etc.

    TBH who cares if ppl fork out big bucks for an event like this. A lot of ppl get great crack and harmless fun out of this event. I've made some very good friends and had loads of craic on social media forums in the run up to big races like this and others. Also picked up loads of tips, help and support.

    I admit €230 is a bitter pill to swallow but the run up, excitement and also the enjoyment my family will get out of it on the weekend is worth it.

    TBH I originally just entered Tri an Mhi 70.3 for €65 cos it was pure cheap but then couldn't miss out on Galway cos of the run up to it and also it running into the end if season and rounding the year off.

    For those who knock on the Galway event, go organise a Boards 70.3 for half that price somewhere or even for €65 and I'll gladly enter. It can be done.


  • Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭fluboy


    Well said Mrbungle


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    mrbungle wrote: »
    Horses for courses...


    Plus this year after my 2nd Galway 70.3 I will official be a full Ironman!
    2 years in the making! ;-)

    Bottom line is: my wife buys Jimmy Choos which cost €500-700 at times. She looks for bargain shoes for €50-80 also. She get great enjoyment out of both, so does her mates, they all chat about shoes. I don't really understand the hype that goes with the shoe thing but it's something she enjoys, gets to show off, talk about, look forward to, etc.

    TBH who cares if ppl fork out big bucks for an event like this. A lot of ppl get great crack and harmless fun out of this event. I've made some very good friends and had loads of craic on social media forums in the run up to big races like this and others. Also picked up loads of tips, help and support.

    I admit €230 is a bitter pill to swallow but the run up, excitement and also the enjoyment my family will get out of it on the weekend is worth it.

    TBH I originally just entered Tri an Mhi 70.3 for €65 cos it was pure cheap but then couldn't miss out on Galway cos of the run up to it and also it running into the end if season and rounding the year off.

    For those who knock on the Galway event, go organise a Boards 70.3 for half that price somewhere or even for €65 and I'll gladly enter. It can be done.[/QUOTE]

    Sweet mother of ****.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    tunney have you ever done an Ironman 70.3?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭mrbungle


    Rawhead wrote: »
    mrbungle wrote: »
    Horses for courses...


    Plus this year after my 2nd Galway 70.3 I will official be a full Ironman!
    2 years in the making! ;-)

    Bottom line is: my wife buys Jimmy Choos which cost €500-700 at times. She looks for bargain shoes for €50-80 also. She get great enjoyment out of both, so does her mates, they all chat about shoes. I don't really understand the hype that goes with the shoe thing but it's something she enjoys, gets to show off, talk about, look forward to, etc.

    TBH who cares if ppl fork out big bucks for an event like this. A lot of ppl get great crack and harmless fun out of this event. I've made some very good friends and had loads of craic on social media forums in the run up to big races like this and others. Also picked up loads of tips, help and support.

    I admit €230 is a bitter pill to swallow but the run up, excitement and also the enjoyment my family will get out of it on the weekend is worth it.

    TBH I originally just entered Tri an Mhi 70.3 for €65 cos it was pure cheap but then couldn't miss out on Galway cos of the run up to it and also it running into the end if season and rounding the year off.

    For those who knock on the Galway event, go organise a Boards 70.3 for half that price somewhere or even for €65 and I'll gladly enter. It can be done.

    Sweet mother of ****.[/Quote]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    tunney have you ever done an Ironman 70.3?

    He did pretty well in Uk 70.3 in 2007.

    73rd overall out of 800 finishers in a high quality field on a tough hilly course I believe.

    http://www.tri247.com/results_4695.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭911sc


    mrbungle wrote: »
    For those who knock on the Galway event, go organise a Boards 70.3 for half that price somewhere or even for €65 and I'll gladly enter. It can be done.

    +1

    Ironman 70.3 Galway bashing was the same last year, bet you by the same people as well....They should really move on, and ignore this event if they have nothing constructive to say about it.

    Anyway, i am really looking forward to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭couerdelion


    mrbungle wrote: »

    For those who knock on the Galway event, go organise a Boards 70.3 for half that price somewhere or even for €65 and I'll gladly enter.
    911sc wrote: »
    +1

    Tri an Mhi CXIII is €65 for the half iron distance. Unfortunately it's sold out though.

    I agree with 220 Triathlon when they said this month that it's great that the UK now has four Ironman events with IMUK, IMWales, IM 70.3 Wimbeball and IM 70.3 Galway. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    tunney have you ever done an Ironman 70.3?

    Did UK 70.30 a few times. Suited nicely with people travelling from around Europe/World to meet and race there. Plus the tough course was an attraction.

    Nice course, cracking part of the country, so nice, would love to go back on a holiday.
    Less than stellar organisation. I got alot of abuse from the organisers when they sent out their post race questionnaire. I answered honesty, fairly and constructively. They apparently only wanted responses like "everything was super" and got rather annoyed and aggressive over this totally private, solicited, communication of constructive criticism.

    I believe they acted as advisors to Galway 70.30.

    Only other international half I've done was Lisboa. Possible my best race ever, perfect mindset and execution of my race plan (4:11). The organisation was good, weather was hot, roads were good.

    This year if I can get into halway decent shape I intend to head to Kenmare for that half and to give a certain oh so cocky boards DJ a tw@ting :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    I am lucky in that I live nearby 2 good HIM races. I'm 10k from Humbert and less than an hour from Galway. I will do Galway because it makes financial sense. It is horrible to pay over €260 for a race but if I was to do Kenmare or Ireman it would cost that for accommodation, not mentioning fuel, food etc.
    There is no way to make out the price of Galway is reasonable but it suits my situation. The swim is a big risk with Galway for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    tunney wrote: »
    I believe they acted as advisors to Galway 70.30.

    Only other international half I've done was Lisboa. Possible my best race ever, perfect mindset and execution of my race plan (4:11). The organisation was good, weather was hot, roads were good.

    This year if I can get into halway decent shape I intend to head to Kenmare for that half and to give a certain oh so cocky boards DJ a tw@ting :)

    IMUK were advisors in Galway. They were actually more from my understanding as they took complete control when they arrived over in the days leading up to the event.

    4:11 - cracking time! :cool:

    I think you'll need to be in more than "half decent shape" as that DJ is in a rich vein of form! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭big mce


    Sorry Guys but anyone that thinks €260 is reasonable for a half is mad. I agree it's a great location but c'mon, Tri an Mhi: €65, Lost Sheep: €85, Humbert €80.

    It's way too expensive. Make it a full at that price, then it's affordable and I'll be there too. Challenge Barcelona is €300. Imagine your 5/6 hours doing Galway. €50 an hour to kill yourself or in tunneys case €65 an hour and still not be certain about the swim?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    big mce wrote: »
    Sorry Guys but anyone that thinks €260 is reasonable for a half is mad. I agree it's a great location but c'mon, Tri an Mhi: €65, Lost Sheep: €85, Humbert €80.

    It's way too expensive. Make it a full at that price, then it's affordable. Challenge Barcelona is €300. Imagine your 5/6 hours doing Galway. €50 an hour to kill yourself or in tunneys case €65 an hour and still not be certain about the swim?

    I think you've made your point on entering races based on price and that's fine.

    Others have differing reasons such as larger entry field, pro's racing, convenience, lack of travel time, buzz/many friends doing it etc etc.

    Price is a factor, but most of these 70.3 with world slots are similar priced, and at least we don't have flights, luggage, excess luggage for bike, time, hassle etc and are lucky to have one on our shores in fairness.

    As stated the IM branding 70.3 events do come at a premium, and some will pay for the potential benefits highlighted above, some will not as they don't apply to them and for those it is overpriced by comparison to other halfs you mentioned.
    Some are happy to pay this for the experience of a big race with international pro's racing on the same course at same time etc. Some are just happy to make it a great weekend with many club mates racing also. etc.


    Anyway, back to thread topic.
    Here's hoping the new course is confirmed soon.
    Wonder how many entries are in at this stage...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭trihead


    Anyone got any suggestions on accommodation from last year? Obviously its cheaper the further out you are but could be an issue in the morning with parking. Bikes are checked in the day before so you cant spin down:)

    thanks

    trihead


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭hootini


    [QUOTE=Here's hoping the new course is confirmed soon.[/QUOTE]

    Looks like it has as far as I can tell. Bike and Run sections are different according to the site:

    http://ironmanireland.com/athlete-information/bike/
    http://ironmanireland.com/athlete-information/run/

    Looks to be a lot better than last year, maybe this time we have a central transition this time across from Leisureland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    hootini wrote: »
    Looks like it has as far as I can tell. Bike and Run sections are different according to the site:

    http://ironmanireland.com/athlete-information/bike/
    http://ironmanireland.com/athlete-information/run/

    Looks to be a lot better than last year, maybe this time we have a central transition this time across from Leisureland?

    Gonna miss that climb over Barna. I would have expected more from the run changes. It's going to be tight turning at Blackrock with 2,000 people on the course nevermind managing spectators along the prom. At least a lot of the little fecky turns are gone out of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    hootini wrote: »
    Looks like it has as far as I can tell. Bike and Run sections are different according to the site:

    http://ironmanireland.com/athlete-information/bike/
    http://ironmanireland.com/athlete-information/run/

    Looks to be a lot better than last year, maybe this time we have a central transition this time across from Leisureland?

    Looks like a faster bike course by taking the hill out.
    Good to see all the silly little turns gone from the run. Turning at Blackrock won't be any worse than turning at the end of the pier last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭mrbungle


    Still looks like rain !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    trihead wrote: »
    Anyone got any suggestions on accommodation from last year? Obviously its cheaper the further out you are but could be an issue in the morning with parking. Bikes are checked in the day before so you cant spin down:)

    thanks

    trihead

    A good few athletes brought a second bike with them last year so they could cycle to the start area. There was plenty of parking available around Leisureland last year in the hour or so leading up to the race start.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭mrbungle


    Swim is diff to last years planned dog leg nonsence

    http://ironmanireland.com/athlete-information/swim/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    Any locals know what the road surface is like on the bike course?
    Is it that much different?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭mrbungle


    Course looks almost identical to last year Fazz except from T1 through the city then out to the west like last year.

    Return leg looks identical.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    Fazz wrote: »
    Any locals know what the road surface is like on the bike course?
    Is it that much different?

    Was driving out there last week and surface is ok. Will probably get a facelift the week before the race like last year.

    Is going to be a good bit faster than last year which is frustrating. Won't know if any improvement is performance related or course related :(.

    Naturally I'd claim performance related...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Izoard


    mrbungle wrote: »
    Swim is diff to last years planned dog leg nonsence

    http://ironmanireland.com/athlete-information/swim/

    Excellent - as a fully paid-up left sided breather, this works out nicely:)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭smithwicks


    Does anyone know if that e coli problem in salt hill mean the swim leg may be cancelled?

    Prob will rain right up until or close to event.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    'The discovery of unacceptably high levels of E coli at Grattan Beach will not affect the upcoming Ironman competition, according to organisers and local councillors who have moved to allay fears over the impact of contamination of the water at the city beach.'

    From the Galway Advertiser


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    'The discovery of unacceptably high levels of E coli at Grattan Beach will not affect the upcoming Ironman competition, according to organisers and local councillors who have moved to allay fears over the impact of contamination of the water at the city beach.'

    From the Galway Advertiser

    If it doesn't happen this year in its entirety its a dead race, it probably is anyways


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭911sc


    Last year, there were around 1275 competitors, and sold out if i remember right.
    Registration is still open for 2012. Any body knows how many are registered so far?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    Around 1200, give or take a few.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    I thought everyone was saying numbers are way down on last year, doesn't appear to be if last year was 1250.
    The swim is the key, if it's shortened or cancelled the race is a dead duck.

    I know its an obscene price but it is good for Ireland to have a branded event and even better that it's on the west coast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    I don't really understand why everyone says the price is obscene.

    It's the same as every other IM 70.3 race out there.

    Ironman races are more expensive again.

    Granted, in general you don't mention paying more for a 70.3/IM as it's foreign and probably nicer weather etc.
    However there's also flight, hotel, baggage etc costs on top.

    So when considering an IM 70.3 race, this is the cheapest one you are going to do as its on home soil and requires minimal travel/hotel time & costs etc.

    Granted if its just about a middle distance race then more value is in Lost Sheep, Tri an Mhi or other local irish races.
    But that's not what the 70.3 race series offers. They offer pro's racing on same course, world 70.3 qualy slots, all the hullabaloo of a bigger race than a local ran one, and maybe a bit more hype.
    Did I mention closed roads and hopefully better marshalling standards than some of the local races also.
    In fairness last year and this year has Mike Aigroz racing. I think he was top 10 at Kona last year??

    Last years entry was near 1,500 I think and yea this years looks like a 20% drop to 1,200.
    Probably very low numbers for an IM 70.3 race so it would be a shame to lose it imo.
    Only thing that could help it will be a full swim this year, and maybe a great race to attract more entries or perhaps better pro's for next year.

    Glad I'm in for this anyway and looking forward to it and hoping for a full swim.
    Course looks like it should allow for it even if choppy as runs parallel to beach now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭PWEI


    911sc wrote: »
    Registration is still open for 2012.

    Anybody know how long more registration is open for? I'm still thinking about entering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    PWEI wrote: »
    911sc wrote: »
    Registration is still open for 2012.

    Anybody know how long more registration is open for? I'm still thinking about entering.

    Pretty sure it's closed and you've missed the boat I'm afraid.

    Start lists have been sent out and the enter now feature on their site is gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    PWEI wrote: »
    Anybody know how long more registration is open for? I'm still thinking about entering.

    It would be worth mailing them directly to be safe if you want to try and get an entry.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭PWEI


    pgibbo wrote: »
    It would be worth mailing them directly to be safe if you want to try and get an entry.

    I did mail them to ask when entry was closing and the response I got was

    "we are advising athletes to enter ASAP to avoid disappointment"

    which was not the answer I was looking for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    Very useful!!!! A bit like posting all their info on FB last year :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    I've had a word on your behalf ;)

    Give Ronan an email: ronan (at) eandrevents (dot) ie and your entry will be sorted. You can pay on arrival.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    Rawhead wrote: »
    I know its an obscene price but it is good for Ireland to have a branded event and even better that it's on the west coast.

    Price is set by Ironman not by the event organisation on the ground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭911sc


    Around 1200, give or take a few.

    Glad to see similar uptake as last year.
    Looking forward to it. Hopefully weather will be on our side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭PWEI


    I've had a word on your behalf ;)

    Give Ronan an email: ronan (at) eandrevents (dot) ie and your entry will be sorted. You can pay on arrival.


    Thanks amphkingwest but I managed to successfully enter online earlier, it's still open. :)


    I thought fcek it, it might be the last chance to do a branded event like this in Ireland. I also don't have the added expense of a hotel as my sister has
    a house out the Barna Road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭911sc


    PWEI wrote: »
    I also don't have the added expense of a hotel as my sister has a house out the Barna Road.

    cool. how many bedrooms?:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭rowr


    Was out on the bike course this AM, great conditions, course was lightening fast, yesterday it was a slog, the weather is everything out there.

    Disappointed to see peacocks in Maam cross closed, was hoping to refuel there halfway into the cycle :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    Just a quick question for Sunday.
    When I register on Saturday do I bring all my race kit and leave it in transition for the race?
    Is it just a case of goggles, wetsuit and hat on Sunday morning then?

    Thanks lads....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭rowr


    Rawhead wrote: »
    Just a quick question for Sunday.
    When I register on Saturday do I bring all my race kit and leave it in transition for the race?
    Is it just a case of goggles, wetsuit and hat on Sunday morning then?

    Thanks lads....

    Bring everything bike, runners, cycling shoes etc (they go into seperate bags, and bike into transition, your start gear, tri suit, wetsuit, goggles , you bring sun morning


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