GE2020 - Dun Laoghaire (4 seater)

ddarcy · 09-02-2020 11:48pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Ossian Smyth GP
Jennifer Carroll McNeill FG
Richard Boyd Barrett SPBP
Cormac Devlin FF

A respectable team for Dun Laoghaire being returned to the 33rd Dáil. Hard to see any Ministers emerging from that though, no matter what the Government composition.

Well dun laoghaire only had one way to go after the last bunch of incompetents. RBB was by far the best TD from Dun Laoghaire over the last 9 years. You can take from that what you will.

coylemj · 09-02-2020 11:49pm

I asked a FG insider why they were running three candidates in DL and was told that Barry Ward had a lot of younger supporters and the local FG organisation wanted to keep them onboard. Which makes some sense but FG ended up with one seat from 1.67 quotas, the same as FF who only picked up 0.8 of a quota.

If FG had run two candidates and split the constituency in two, they could easily have taken two seats. On the last count tonight, FG had a combined total of 22,673 votes while Devlin had 11,071. Had FG split their vote evenly as they did (with just two candidates) in 2016, they could have taken the last two seats.

Larbre34 · 10-02-2020 1:26am

The principle of that stacks up but not the explanation. Barry Ward was always on the ticket, Jennifer was only added to replace Bailey. The obvious play would have been simply not to replace her.

Yes JCM got the seat, but despite being a party advisor for a while she's only 7 months on DLR Council. MM and Ward have probably 25 years as public reps between them and carve the constituency right in half between them, ideal for 1,2 management.

On the other hand, FF were absolutely steeped to get Devlin over the line. 2 candidates from them was equally stupid.

Be interesting to see who is co-opted to replace Smyth, Devlin and JCM

scrumqueen · 10-02-2020 11:12am

crushproof wrote: »

He seems to be undermined by the party quite a lot and not given the respect due. I'd never ever vote FF/FG but if he went independent I'd consider giving him a vote. At least he's visible in the community and is communicative. Don't think I've ever seen Hannifan, or MMOC for that matter, engaging with the people on the street.

starbaby2003 wrote: »

Significant transfer to Devlin. I’ve no time for either party but Devlin seems to do a lot for the local community. I would also hate to see two FG seats in the constituency.

I've lived in Blackrock now for nearly 10 years, opened and ran a business in Dun Laoghaire and I have never ever come across him or Barry Ward. Does being active on twitter around here equate to being visible?

MMOC was visible alright so I'm told but saw SFA of her either. RBB is at least vocal and does his bit.

I'm no fan of MMOC or CD so cant say I am pleased with the outcome.

helimachoptor · 10-02-2020 12:14pm

scrumqueen wrote: »

I've lived in Blackrock now for nearly 10 years, opened and ran a business in Dun Laoghaire and I have never ever come across him or Barry Ward. Does being active on twitter around here equate to being visible?

MMOC was visible alright so I'm told but saw SFA of her either. RBB is at least vocal and does his bit.

I'm no fan of MMOC or CD so cant say I am pleased with the outcome.

tbh I see Devlin most days but its only because my child and his child were in the same montessori and now primary school.
I've never had him knock on the door (or any of his supporters) for any locals or even this election.

Barry Ward , Ossian Smyth & Juliet O'Connel (supporters) all knocked this election.
For the locals, I had a very informed conversation with O'Connell in person, she was the only knock we got.

Trizo · 10-02-2020 12:22pm

Spoke with most of the candidates either in person or via email , Was emailing a lot of them over the potential parking fees increase also, only parties not to call to the door were SF and PBP but then that was hardly surprising as I'm not their typical demographic...

That last seat was very close and could have gone either way really , was never going to be 3 FG seats but easily could have been 2.

coylemj · 10-02-2020 1:13pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

The principle of that stacks up but not the explanation. Barry Ward was always on the ticket, Jennifer was only added to replace Bailey. The obvious play would have been simply not to replace her.

+1 I think FG made the same mistake twice - nominating three candidates in the first place and then adding JCM to the ticket when Bailey was dumped.

coylemj · 10-02-2020 1:22pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Yes JCM got the seat, but despite being a party advisor for a while she's only 7 months on DLR Council.

She made up for the lack of a local track record and the fact that she was relatively unknown by relentlessly pushing the husband into the frame at every opportunity.

Take a look at this tweet from Jan. 29th. It features Fergus Slattery (rugby international) and her husband Hugo MacNeill (rugby international) who are 'chatting about the upcoming Six Nations' - just in case you didn't get the rugby link. And note the gratuitous inclusion of twitter tags for the British & Irish Lions and Blackrock Rugby club....

https://twitter.com/CarrollJennifer/status/1222418066333732864?s=20

josip · 10-02-2020 1:30pm

coylemj wrote: »

She made up for the lack of a local track record and the fact that she was relatively unknown by relentlessly pushing the husband into the frame at every opportunity.

Take a look at this tweet from Jan. 29th. It features Fergus Slattery (rugby international), her husband Hugo MacNeill (rugby international) who (of course) were discussing the upcoming Six Nations - just in case you didn't get the rugby link. And note the gratuitous incluslon of twitter tags for the British & Irish Lions and Blackrock Rugby club....

https://twitter.com/CarrollJennifer/status/1222418066333732864?s=20

Yeah, totally agree with this and I'd traditionally be a FG sympathiser.
"Wife of Hugo" on all her material for the council elections.
FFS, do you not have enough self confidence in your own abilities to run for election without relying on Mr. Goldman Sach's rugby background to get you over the line?

ted1 · 10-02-2020 2:32pm

josip wrote: »

Yeah, totally agree with this and I'd traditionally be a FG sympathiser.
"Wife of Hugo" on all her material for the council elections.
FFS, do you not have enough self confidence in your own abilities to run for election without relying on Mr. Goldman Sach's rugby background to get you over the line?

She got over the line. Effectively that’s all that matters. Use whatever tool you have.

coylemj · 10-02-2020 2:42pm

ted1 wrote: »

She got over the line. Effectively that’s all that matters. Use whatever tool you have.

Great philosophy.

What matters to the general population is who can serve the interests of the area best, not who is the most photogenic or has a partner who was capped for Ireland more than 30 years ago.

But it's often said that we get the politicians we deserve.....

Larbre34 · 10-02-2020 2:51pm

She's also foxy. Just sayin'.

ted1 · 10-02-2020 3:24pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

She's also foxy. Just sayin'.

She did a swim wear shoot with Leo at the 40foot....

ted1 · 10-02-2020 3:52pm

coylemj wrote: »

Great philosophy.

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From her point of view it is. That’s why she produced the marketing leaflets

Larbre34 · 10-02-2020 6:33pm

ted1 wrote: »

She did a swim wear shoot with Leo at the 40foot....

I had noticed.

Marty Bird · 10-02-2020 6:47pm

MMOC glad she’s gone useless never done anything good for the area. Back to the Harold to her old job no doubt.

josip · 11-02-2020 12:16am

JCM now on the Tonight Show making the Ra guy from Waterford look good.

Larbre34 · 11-02-2020 12:41am

josip wrote: »

JCM now on the Tonight Show making the Ra guy from Waterford look good.

We must be watching a different show, she ripped him very nicely over his carry-on.

josip · 11-02-2020 12:55am

Larbre34 wrote: »

We must be watching a different show, she ripped him very nicely over his carry-on.

Perhaps you had your foxy tinted glasses on when you were watching?

Larbre34 · 11-02-2020 2:00am

josip wrote: »

Perhaps you had your foxy tinted glasses on when you were watching?

Nope, I was only joshing about that, but she very well articulated the damage Cullinane's brain fart could have done.

scrumqueen · 11-02-2020 11:35am

Marty Bird wrote: »

MMOC glad she’s gone useless never done anything good for the area. Back to the Harold to her old job no doubt.

It seems they have forgotten who she is, I was at the tally when that box was opened, and her return in one box there was weak at best :pac:

starbaby2003 · 11-02-2020 12:12pm

If they do somehow manage to pull off a Sinn Féin left wing government RBB could be up for a ministerial role.

11-02-2020 1:59pm

starbaby2003 wrote: »

If they do somehow manage to pull off a Sinn Féin left wing government RBB could be up for a ministerial role.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
— ABRAHAM LINCOLN

scrumqueen · 11-02-2020 5:02pm

starbaby2003 wrote: »

If they do somehow manage to pull off a Sinn Féin left wing government RBB could be up for a ministerial role.

He was interviewed this morning and gave no hint of wanting to be a part of any left grand coalition.

coylemj · 11-02-2020 6:49pm

There is absolutely no possibility of a 'grand left' coalition. It's all talk from SF to get the press speculating about Mary-Lou as Taoiseach but it's not going to happen. Look at the 19 independents and you'll find a lot of TDs who would be very anti-SF and/or they represent rural areas and will not vote for a Government which includes the Greens.

I know Bertie went into coalition with the Greens but this time is different - they have 12 TDs and will only sign up to a coalition if their policies are well represented in the program for Government that gets agreed. And this time round, that is going to include a straight head-on assault of the agriculture sector, specifically dairy and beef.

Michael and Danny Healy Rae, Mattie McGrath, Denis Naughten, Marian Harkin, Noel Grealish, Sean Canney. All of them are Independent TDs who represent rural parts of the country. None of them has a national policy worth talking about i.e. all they care about is their own backyard and none of them will support a government which includes the Greens, without FF or FG to restrain them.

I also can't see Labour going into any kind of a coalition these days so you can count them out as well.

starbaby2003 · 12-02-2020 10:14am

scrumqueen wrote: »

He was interviewed this morning and gave no hint of wanting to be a part of any left grand coalition.

Must have had a change of heart

Boyd Barrett on minority SF-led government: 'Probably not sustainable for very long but still worth exploring' https://jrnl.ie/5004066

coylemj · 12-02-2020 5:05pm

Here's the shopping list of just one of the 19 independents that SF will need onboard if they're to organise a coalition which does not involve FF or FG ......

While many Independent TDs seemed enthusiastic for participation in government, some also outlined significant demands in return for their support. The Cork South-West TD Michael Collins said he would insist on a new and dedicated ministry for fisheries. He also wanted to see a rural resettlement programme and said he would “not support any crowd” that had a role in a potential downgrading of Bantry Hospital.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/the-numbers-aren-t-there-sinn-f%C3%A9in-s-preferred-left-leaning-coalition-gets-a-cool-reception-1.4170873

ted1 · 15-02-2020 12:14am

Barry Ward came up with a good bye law on single use plastics. Shame he didn’t get in instead of Ms. Hugo McNeil

coylemj · 15-02-2020 5:43pm

ted1 wrote: »

Barry Ward came up with a good bye law on single use plastics.

Heard him on the radio (might have been East Coast FM) talking about it. Does the county council tend to support this type of proposal and can it be voted through by the councillors, even if the council officials are against it?

One of the issues that is bound to come up is the extra cost which take-aways would have to bear. But the really big complaint will come from businesses close to the border with SDCC and the city, they would be able to point out that such a rule would put them at a commercial disadvantage because their nearby competitors wouldn't have that rule and the associated costs imposed on them.

And how do you deal with the take-aways that deliver from remote kitchens located in industrial zones? If such a business didn't like that new rule, they could simply relocate to outside the DLR boundary without any affect on their businesss.

ted1 · 15-02-2020 7:59pm

coylemj wrote: »

Heard him on the radio (might have been East Coast FM) talking about it. Does the county council tend to support this type of proposal and can it be voted through by the councillors, even if the council officials are against it?

One of the issues that is bound to come up is the extra cost which take-aways would have to bear. But the really big complaint will come from businesses close to the border with SDCC and the city, they would be able to point out that such a rule would put them at a commercial disadvantage because their nearby competitors wouldn't have that rule and the associated costs imposed on them.

And how do you deal with the take-aways that deliver from remote kitchens located in industrial zones? If such a business didn't like that new rule, they could simply relocate to outside the DLR boundary without any affect on their businesss.

I can only speak for my family and circle of friends but we are quite aware of places that use biodegradable containers, wooden cutlery etc and will support them and avoid places that use non eco friendly packaging. I’m sure other people don’t. But it does put them at an advantage in some cases

Larbre34 · 17-02-2020 7:41pm

ted1 wrote: »

Barry Ward came up with a good bye law on single use plastics. Shame he didn’t get in instead of Ms. Hugo McNeil

Patronising enough comment there. I rate Barry Ward as a Councillor but I wouldn't be denigrating JCMcN until I see the colour of her contribution to the Dáil. She is a law graduate, barrister, published author on the judiciary, former legal and policy advisor to Fine Gael, former special advisor to multiple Cabinet ministers and has a doctorate in politics.

That might be a bit too much 'Fine Gaelness' for a lot of people but I'll be interested to see how she goes.

24-02-2020 6:14am

Larbre34 wrote: »

Patronising enough comment there. I rate Barry Ward as a Councillor but I wouldn't be denigrating JCMcN until I see the colour of her contribution to the Dáil. She is a law graduate, barrister, published author on the judiciary, former legal and policy advisor to Fine Gael, former special advisor to multiple Cabinet ministers and has a doctorate in politics.

That might be a bit too much 'Fine Gaelness' for a lot of people but I'll be interested to see how she goes.

It's ironic that yours is the patronising comment considering any of the news articles I read on her in the wake of being nominated prominently mentioned Hugo O'Neill - even her entry on wiki has it mentioned high up - and one Indo article says "She is often referred to by political opponents as "the rugby one"."

Another Irish Times article has this:

"After a turbulent few years for the family, she is turning her attention to becoming a TD as a Fine Gael candidate in Dun Laoghaire. It's helpful to have a rugby legend canvassing with her. She says men on doorsteps are often more intrigued to talk to her husband, Hugo MacNeill. Arguably Ireland's greatest ever full-back in attack, 'Supermac' was a pivotal member of the 1982 and 1985 Triple Crown-winning teams. During the local elections, a who's who of 1980s Irish international rugby, including Ciaran Fitzgerald, Philip Matthews and Ollie Campbell, turned out to support her at a kids' training session at Seapoint Rugby Club.".

She's also not a law graduate, she worked as a solictor for <2 years, and as a barrister for only a couple of months. She's been a near-perpetual student & Fine Gael policy advisor appointee - which is fine, but very far from how you described her.

Maybe be a little less disingenuous? You can make your point "Give her a chance, she could bring something to the table given her academic & policy advisor background" without verbally masturbating over an exaggerated C.V. because you have blue-tinted glasses on.

coylemj · 24-02-2020 2:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

"After a turbulent few years for the family, she is turning her attention to becoming a TD as a Fine Gael candidate in Dun Laoghaire. It's helpful to have a rugby legend canvassing with her. She says men on doorsteps are often more intrigued to talk to her husband, Hugo MacNeill.

Hugo obviously caught the bug, he's now decided to stand for one of the TCD seats in the Seanad.

Deleted User wrote: »

Arguably Ireland's greatest ever full-back in attack, 'Supermac' was a pivotal member of the 1982 and 1985 Triple Crown-winning teams. During the local elections, a who's who of 1980s Irish international rugby, including Ciaran Fitzgerald, Philip Matthews and Ollie Campbell, turned out to support her at a kids' training session at Seapoint Rugby Club.".

+1 she also signed up Fergus Slattery (1970s Ireland and Lions) to put on the orange canvassing jacket and pose with Hugo outside Blackrock Dart station. While they were 'chatting about the upcoming six nations' naturally. See her tweet which I posted in #109 on p.8

Larbre34 · 26-02-2020 12:27am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's ironic that yours is the patronising comment considering any of the news articles I read on her in the wake of being nominated prominently mentioned Hugo O'Neill - even her entry on wiki has it mentioned high up - and one Indo article says "She is often referred to by political opponents as "the rugby one"."

Another Irish Times article has this:

"After a turbulent few years for the family, she is turning her attention to becoming a TD as a Fine Gael candidate in Dun Laoghaire. It's helpful to have a rugby legend canvassing with her. She says men on doorsteps are often more intrigued to talk to her husband, Hugo MacNeill. Arguably Ireland's greatest ever full-back in attack, 'Supermac' was a pivotal member of the 1982 and 1985 Triple Crown-winning teams. During the local elections, a who's who of 1980s Irish international rugby, including Ciaran Fitzgerald, Philip Matthews and Ollie Campbell, turned out to support her at a kids' training session at Seapoint Rugby Club.".

She's also not a law graduate, she worked as a solictor for <2 years, and as a barrister for only a couple of months. She's been a near-perpetual student & Fine Gael policy advisor appointee - which is fine, but very far from how you described her.

Maybe be a little less disingenuous? You can make your point "Give her a chance, she could bring something to the table given her academic & policy advisor background" without verbally masturbating over an exaggerated C.V. because you have blue-tinted glasses on.

Disingenuous says the fella whose sources are an IT colour piece and wikipedia. Have a day off.

I'm a Labour and Soc Dems voter and in my youth voted Fianna Fáil.

Now, anyone who qualifies as a Barrister from Kings Inns is either a law graduate or undergoes a professionalisation diploma beforehand. I'm taking it that all Barristers are graduates in law, at either primary degree level or via Kings Inns. If you want to be, I dunno, disingenuous about it, work away.

14-03-2020 2:45pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Disingenuous says the fella whose sources are an IT colour piece and wikipedia. Have a day off.

I'm a Labour and Soc Dems voter and in my youth voted Fianna Fáil.

Now, anyone who qualifies as a Barrister from Kings Inns is either a law graduate or undergoes a professionalisation diploma beforehand. I'm taking it that all Barristers are graduates in law, at either primary degree level or via Kings Inns. If you want to be, I dunno, disingenuous about it, work away.

The Independent and The Irish Times are "poor sources"?

Maybe you shouldn't use the word 'disingenuous' when it's clear you don't even understand what it means because references to the two biggest irish broadsheets in circulation are pretty much as good as you get.

"Hi there, I'm on the internet and someone showed that I was wrong - what should I do?"

"DOUBLE DOWN ON STUPID"

Larbre34 · 14-03-2020 5:00pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"Hi there, I'm on the internet and someone showed that I was wrong - what should I do?"

"DOUBLE DOWN ON STUPID"

Hi, and welcome. Don't be so hard on yourself.

GE2020 - Dun Laoghaire (4 seater)

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