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FTP - Functional Threshold Power....how big is yours!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    nerraw1111 wrote: »
    About to stick up my flow figures. Did T5 + T20 test on a flow and in doing so, I will lift Pquibbo from paddy last.

    Quick question, when people say T5 + T20 * 0.95, are you adding the watts from T5 and T20 together and then multiplying that total by .95?

    Just take the average of the T20 and multiply it by 0.95. So if you have 245W from the T20, you're FTP is 232


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    nerraw1111 wrote: »
    About to stick up my flow figures. Did T5 + T20 test on a flow and in doing so, I will lift Pquibbo from paddy last.

    Quick question, when people say T5 + T20 * 0.95, are you adding the watts from T5 and T20 together and then multiplying that total by .95?

    No, just the T20 x 0.95


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭nerraw1111


    User|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Jackyback|284watts|4.17|325watts|5.00|T20+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    NWM2|285watts|3.32|310watts|3.7|T5+T20*0.95|Powertap SL2+
    pgibbo|232watts|3.18|300watts|4.35|T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    twonpelota|250 watts|3.2|300watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    Fazz|255 watts|3.76|300 watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|Computrainer
    Nerraw|216 watts|3.33|280 watts|4.3|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow


    You're welcome pqibbo. ;)

    My target watt I simply made up on the spot as I don't know enough about testing/my cycling to put down a more specific target. Definitely an honest test, as I was wrecked after the T5.

    Still, according to Tunney, I can do a sub 5 Ironman bike with a good position ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    nerraw1111 wrote: »
    Still, according to Tunney, I can do a sub 5 Ironman bike with a good position ;)

    Well if you were to race an IM at FTP, you could.

    Your IM pace would be more like 155watts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    User|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Jackyback|284watts|4.17|325watts|5.00|T20+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    NWM2|285watts|3.32|310watts|3.7|T5+T20*0.95|Powertap SL2+
    pgibbo|232watts|3.18|300watts|4.35|T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    twonpelota|250 watts|3.2|300watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    Fazz|255 watts|3.76|300 watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|Computrainer
    Nerraw|216 watts|3.33|280 watts|4.3|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    shotgunmcos|318 watts|4.02|330watts|4.4|T20,2,T20|Tacx Flow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    How do people propose progress gets tracked with this table? I retest this week and am wondering if I overwrite my current entry or add a new one?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭nerraw1111


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Well if you were to race an IM at FTP, you could.

    Your IM pace would be more like 155watts

    Way to burst my bubble. I'd be barely moving at that rate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    User|Starting FTP|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Jackyback|284watts|284watts|4.17|325watts|5.00|T20+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    NWM2|285watts|285watts|3.32|310watts|3.7|T5+T20*0.95|Powertap SL2+
    pgibbo|232watts|232watts|3.18|300watts|4.35|T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    twonpelota|250 watts|250 watts|3.2|300watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    Fazz|255 watts|255 watts|3.76|300 watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|Computrainer
    Nerraw|216 watts|216 watts|3.33|280 watts|4.3|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    shotgunmcos|318 watts|318 watts|4.02|330watts|4.4|T20,2,T20|Tacx Flow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭duffyshuffle


    No PT yet. I've done the wind gate(?) (3 min incremental power increases) bike test in TCD and have gotten HR/Power @ Lactate Threshold (2mmol)

    Is this the same as FTP or will it give a different reading if anyone has done T20*.95 and lab testing to compare?

    Should it give the same result?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    User|Starting FTP|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Jackyback|284watts|284watts|4.17|325watts|5.00|T20+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    NWM2|285watts|285watts|3.32|310watts|3.7|T5+T20*0.95|Powertap SL2+
    pgibbo|232watts|260watts|3.56|300watts|4.35|T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    twonpelota|250 watts|250 watts|3.2|300watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    Fazz|255 watts|255 watts|3.76|300 watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|Computrainer
    Nerraw|216 watts|216 watts|3.33|280 watts|4.3|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    shotgunmcos|318 watts|318 watts|4.02|330watts|4.4|T20,2,T20|Tacx Flow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    No PT yet. I've done the wind gate(?) (3 min incremental power increases) bike test in TCD and have gotten HR/Power @ Lactate Threshold (2mmol)

    Is this the same as FTP or will it give a different reading if anyone has done T20*.95 and lab testing to compare?

    Should it give the same result?

    which threshold, etc etc etc.

    Good thread on it here
    http://forum.slowtwitch.com/cgi-bin/gforum.cgi?post=3031868


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭RedB


    User|Starting FTP|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Jackyback|284watts|284watts|4.17|325watts|5.00|T20+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    NWM2|285watts|285watts|3.32|310watts|3.7|T5+T20*0.95|Powertap SL2+
    pgibbo|232watts|260watts|3.56|300watts|4.35|T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    twonpelota|250 watts|250 watts|3.2|300watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    Fazz|255 watts|255 watts|3.76|300 watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|Computrainer
    Nerraw|216 watts|216 watts|3.33|280 watts|4.3|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    shotgunmcos|318 watts|318 watts|4.02|330watts|4.4|T20,2,T20|Tacx Flow
    RedB|230 watts|230 watts|2.55|290 watts|3.5|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭duffyshuffle


    Seems like a decent thread on training to improve FTP here http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=2932430;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=65;

    What are specific sessions/regular bike week for you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Seems like a decent thread on training to improve FTP here http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=2932430;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=65;

    What are specific sessions/regular bike week for you?

    Look at anything/everything on google:wattage. timetriallingforum.co.uk is good too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭duffyshuffle


    I've been working off a plan alright for my 2 x turbos a week at the moment. Just interested in what others are doing to improve theirs. The ST thread has some good stuff, and some nice entertainment in it too :-) Might want to brew a coffee or two to get through it though.

    I find flammerouge to be an excellent resource as well and they also offer a very cheap option to get great feedback. I didn't use them but emailed them a few times and they were great to talk to. http://www.flammerouge.je/content/3_factsheets/constant/functhresh.htm

    Haven't looked at timetriallingforum, will earmark it for some lurking, thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    User|Starting FTP|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Jackyback|284watts|284watts|4.17|325watts|5.00|T20+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    NWM2|285watts|285watts|3.32|310watts|3.7|T5+T20*0.95|Powertap SL2+
    pgibbo|232watts|260watts|3.56|300watts|4.35|T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    twonpelota|250 watts|250 watts|3.2|300watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    Fazz|255 watts|270.75 watts|3.99|300 watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|Computrainer
    Nerraw|216 watts|216 watts|3.33|280 watts|4.3|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    shotgunmcos|318 watts|318 watts|4.02|330watts|4.4|T20,2,T20|Tacx Flow
    RedB|230 watts|230 watts|2.55|290 watts|3.5|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow


    FTP Test done tonight...

    I don't know whether to laugh or cry... So close to milestone 1...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Well done Fazz, nice improvement there! I have my next test on Thursday a T5+T20,2,T20... can't wait.... NOT


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    Well done Fazz, nice improvement there! I have my next test on Thursday a T5+T20,2,T20... can't wait.... NOT

    Thanks, I think I near nailed it. Ensured I was fuelled and hydrated well beforehand.
    Only my third FTP test and paced it right, negative split and pushed up over 500 watts at very end. Was glad it was over!
    I don't think I could contemplate a second t20 in same session! I'd say I'd be a fair bit down!
    Sleep now I need it before a long swim tomorrow early.

    Good luck on Thursday in the pain cave!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    Nice improvement Fazz.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    User|Starting FTP|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Jackyback|284watts|284watts|4.17|325watts|5.00|T20+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    NWM2|285watts|285watts|3.32|310watts|3.7|T5+T20*0.95|Powertap SL2+
    pgibbo|232watts|260watts|3.56|300watts|4.35|T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    twonpelota|250 watts|250 watts|3.2|300watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    Fazz|255 watts|270.75 watts|3.99|300 watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|Computrainer
    Nerraw|216 watts|216 watts|3.33|280 watts|4.3|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    shotgunmcos|318 watts|325 watts|4.23|330watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    RedB|230 watts|230 watts|2.55|290 watts|3.5|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow


    FTP Test done tonight...
    7w better plus weight down = better w/kg :) Had to dig deep for it though


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭Bambaata


    Good stuff Mike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    Good work, heading in right direction in both ways!
    Gotta be hard maintaining power and losing weight never mind increasing power!

    @ Bambaata your name seems to be missing.... I believe you train with power so when is next test :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Fazz wrote: »
    Gotta be hard maintaining power and losing weight never mind increasing power!
    Precicely. I used to row years ago and once plunged my weight for trials too dramatically. Had to hit 72.5kg. Not only did I not hit the weight but performed poorly at trials as a result of power loss. Its a balancing thing you have to keep an eye on
    Fazz wrote: »
    @ Bambaata your name seems to be missing.... I believe you train with power so when is next test :)

    +1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭Bambaata


    Fazz wrote: »
    Good work, heading in right direction in both ways!
    Gotta be hard maintaining power and losing weight never mind increasing power!

    @ Bambaata your name seems to be missing.... I believe you train with power so when is next test :)

    ha calling me out i see :P. Mine is very old and i think its not correct as i did it at the time when i didnt realise the P2M suffers big issues if it doesn't get zero'd through a ride on the turbo. I was due to retest yesterday but being sick ruined that so ill be doing in sometime in the coming weeks, possibly week after next. I really find the current ftp a fair bit out as my HR is barely climbing over 100/110 in my easy zone whereas on HR last year it was on 130s for easy zone. I also find the 2:30 @ 250 watts, 30 sec at 330 watts reps much more manageable than i think in should since i started zero'ing it during them. Ive noticed changes in as much as 30-40W sometimes!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭BennyMul


    User|Starting FTP|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Jackyback|284watts|284watts|4.17|325watts|5.00|T20+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    NWM2|285watts|285watts|3.32|310watts|3.7|T5+T20*0.95|Powertap SL2+
    pgibbo|232watts|260watts|3.56|300watts|4.35|T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    twonpelota|250 watts|250 watts|3.2|300watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    Fazz|255 watts|270.75 watts|3.99|300 watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|Computrainer
    Nerraw|216 watts|216 watts|3.33|280 watts|4.3|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    shotgunmcos|318 watts|325 watts|4.23|330watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    RedB|230 watts|230 watts|2.55|290 watts|3.5|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    BennyMul| 253 watts |253 watts |3.4|290watts|4|T5+T20*0.95|Powertap SL2+


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Diamondmaker


    I believe I have identified that I need to have some form of digital monitor of my power to be able to improve, just going out and riding hard is an inexact way to know how hard you have gone or am I making gains.

    I hit the excercise bike in the gym in my complex and did a 5 min all out and a 20 min as hard as I could go.

    The T5 - was never below 270kw ( I dont have an average reading I just ensured to keep ~ 275kw )

    The T 20 was similarly never under 250kw

    My weight is 70kg. So 250 x 0.95 = 238 / 70 = 3.39 w/kg

    So my queries are:

    1. Is the principal above correct ?
    2. Can I use the bike as I have done ?
    3. Can I join that cool loking table and play with you guys ? :)
    4. A 7-8 % improvement in my bike split is where I want to be so is this the gain I should target in w/kg ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 bobblehead_jr


    User|Starting FTP|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Jackyback|284watts|284watts|4.17|325watts|5.00|T20+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    NWM2|285watts|285watts|3.32|310watts|3.7|T5+T20*0.95|Powertap SL2+
    pgibbo|232watts|260watts|3.56|300watts|4.35|T5+T20*0.95|Power2Max PM
    twonpelota|250 watts|250 watts|3.2|300watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|SRM
    Fazz|255 watts|270.75 watts|3.99|300 watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|Computrainer
    Nerraw|216 watts|216 watts|3.33|280 watts|4.3|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    shotgunmcos|318 watts|325 watts|4.23|330watts|4.4|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    RedB|230 watts|230 watts|2.55|290 watts|3.5|T5+T20*0.95|Tacx Flow
    BennyMul| 253 watts |253 watts |3.4|290watts|4|T5+T20*0.95|Powertap SL2+
    Bobblehead_jr|345 watts|345 watts|4.9|390 watts|5.6|T5+T20*0.95| iBike iPro


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    User|Starting FTP|Current FTP|Watts/kg|Target FTP|Target Watts/kg|Test|Unit
    Bobblehead_jr|345 watts|345 watts|4.9|390 watts|5.6|T5+T20*0.95| iBike iPro

    Well that explains your 7:30 Ironman Ireland Result. Did you end up getting the Tattoo or what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Well that explains your 7:30 Ironman Ireland Result. Did you end up getting the Tattoo or what?

    *cough* iBike *cough*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    tunney wrote: »
    *cough* iBike *cough*

    Yeah spotted that.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17 bobblehead_jr


    What is wrong with an iBike?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    What is wrong with an iBike?

    You fail to see the issue with using an electric bike in a triathlon?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 bobblehead_jr


    iBike is a power meter. It is much better than crank or wheel based, I can swap it between my two bikes in 30 seconds... no messing around with tools.

    I can send you on a link with more details if you are interested in one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭Ryath


    What is wrong with an iBike?
    tunney wrote: »
    You fail to see the issue with using an electric bike in a triathlon?

    Apparently it is a power meter of some description
    http://www.ibikesports.com/powermeters.html

    This is probably more relevant though
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056378907

    Poor bobblehead must be swimming with armbands and had to walk the run if he could only manage a 7.30 half with a watts/kg of 4.9


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Ryath wrote: »
    Apparently it is a power meter of some description
    http://www.ibikesports.com/powermeters.html

    This is probably more relevant though
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056378907

    Poor bobblehead must be swimming with armbands and had to walk the run if he could only manage a 7.30 half with a watts/kg of 4.9

    Bobblehead must be a borderline cripple to do a 7:30 with what must have been a 2:0x bike split.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭Ryath


    tunney wrote: »
    Bobblehead must be a borderline cripple to do a 7:30 with what must have been a 2:0x bike split.

    Ah he's probably not that bad the full suspension BSO would have slowed him down a bit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 bobblehead_jr


    tunney wrote: »
    Bobblehead must be a borderline cripple to do a 7:30 with what must have been a 2:0x bike split.

    Bike was 3:55, why would you think it was 2:0x?


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭mjth2004


    Car crash TV - pushing 345 watts aiming for 390 using iBike iPro!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    Bike was 3:55, why would you think it was 2:0x?

    With a 3:55 bike split on a flat HIM course not a chance you are hitting those numbers of 345watts. If it was your correct FTP/ watts per kg i would be expecting a low 2hr bike split pacing off around 280watts.

    Does not compute!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Bike was 3:55, why would you think it was 2:0x?

    What was your AP for the bike split then?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 bobblehead_jr


    With a 3:55 bike split on a flat HIM course not a chance you are hitting those numbers of 345watts. If it was your correct FTP/ watts per kg i would be expecting a low 2hr bike split pacing off around 280watts.

    Does not compute!!

    Well I only bought my power meter in December and tested recently, my power may have been lower for my Ironman in Galway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Well I only bought my power meter in December and tested recently, my power may have been lower for my Ironman in Galway.

    You didn't by any chance test in a shed with a fan blowing full force in your face and at your iBike?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 bobblehead_jr


    tunney wrote: »
    You didn't by any chance test in a shed with a fan blowing full force in your face and at your iBike?

    No, one draw back of the iBike is that it can not be used inside, its not really an issue for me .. I cycle outside 99% of the time. Only wimps cycle inside when its cold.

    I have a Tacx Flow which I use when I have to, it has wattage also which I use. I think the wattage on the tacx is incorrect, for what feels like the same effort it will often show about 20 watts lower. Some people mention calibrating the flow but I am not that bothered.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 bobblehead_jr


    I see some people are using the Power2Max, I don't know why anyone would pay 1000e for one. The iBike is only around 500e and doesn't suffer from the same inaccurate readings that the P2M does. I read an article a few weeks ago about heat fluctuation causing very inaccurate readings, up to 50-60watts, with the P2M.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    Wait wait....

    I've to go get some popcorn... :D :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    I see some people are using the Power2Max, I don't know why anyone would pay 1000e for one. The iBike is only around 500e and doesn't suffer from the same inaccurate readings that the P2M does. I read an article a few weeks ago about heat fluctuation causing very inaccurate readings, up to 50-60watts, with the P2M.

    Nice try but i aint biting!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 bobblehead_jr


    Nice try but i aint biting!!

    Biting what?

    Genuine question. Lots of info out there about the P2M and its power drift. I can't use an iBike on a trainer but it seems the P2M is also useless indoors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Biting what?

    Genuine question. Lots of info out there about the P2M and its power drift. I can't use an iBike on a trainer but it seems the P2M is also useless indoors.

    I think jackyback is reacting, or not as the case may be, to your suggestion that he has overstated his FTP by 60 watts by not calibrating his P2M.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    tunney wrote: »
    I think jackyback is reacting, or not as the case may be, to your suggestion that he has overstated his FTP by 60 watts by not calibrating his P2M.

    More to do with his posting history, if it smells like a troll it is likely one:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 bobblehead_jr


    Okay. Maybe I will just post on slowtwitch in the future, this place is a ghost town anyway.


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