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Ironman Ireland 70.3 - Sept 2nd 2012

  • 28-10-2011 7:07pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭


    And the date has been announced........Sept 2nd 2012


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 47 norris


    i saw this event on tv and it looked good. The only bit i didnt like was the swim. How many laps of a pool would you have to be able to do in order to get by the swim part.?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    I dont see it on either the ironmanireland or 70.3 events site?

    What's your source?

    The date does make sense, wonder when entries open.


  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭NeedsTraining


    Email received today from Ironman Ireland


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    +1 e-mail received as part of UK and Ireland IM.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 OldieWilson


    Any info yet on venue?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭tinydave


    Any info yet on venue?

    Id say it will be the same as this years one, well i hope they come up with something better with transition!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭mrbungle


    norris wrote: »
    i saw this event on tv and it looked good. The only bit i didnt like was the swim. How many laps of a pool would you have to be able to do in order to get by the swim part.?


    Course was reduced to 1000m which is 40 lengths.

    Usual length is 1900m, so 76 lengths, but thats in a straight line, no waves, no current, no swell, 200-400 lads milling around you, ahhh, can't wait for next year!

    Get to the pool, start open water swimming and aquathons next year !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭911sc


    Fazz wrote: »
    The date does make sense

    Why? it is a Sunday, in the same way 04/09/2011 was on a sunday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭moby2101


    Hi guys,

    When will it be possible to enter?
    What's the best route to taking part.
    Is it possible to pre register?
    I intend joining my Local Tri Club in January.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 donmc


    And the date has been announced........Sept 2nd 2012

    Great that the date has been confirm, was hoping it might be changed to earlier in the year to maybe try and avoid the bad weather. But great for it to be back in galway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭connundrum


    I got no email :(

    Still not listed on the official 70.3 site http://ironman.com/events/ironman70.3

    But if it's going ahead I'll be at it again. My plan is to possibly do one in May/June, and then this one in Sept.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Would like to do a half towards the end of next year, and this got great reports, apart from the awful weather and the riptide. The swim would still put me off, the possibility of a cancelled/shortened swim was why I didnt choose this one this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭mrbungle


    donmc wrote: »
    Great that the date has been confirm, was hoping it might be changed to earlier in the year to maybe try and avoid the bad weather. But great for it to be back in galway.

    In Galway for 5 years I heard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭mrbungle


    Oryx wrote: »
    Would like to do a half towards the end of next year, and this got great reports, apart from the awful weather and the riptide. The swim would still put me off, the possibility of a cancelled/shortened swim was why I didnt choose this one this year.

    Bad weather, riptides, swells, wind, driving rain, cold, sunshine all part of what should make you do any event.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    mrbungle wrote: »
    Bad weather, riptides, swells, wind, driving rain, cold, sunshine all part of what should make you do any event.
    I wasnt saying I wanted california weather. :p But if I sign up for a HIM, and thats what Im training for, then I would like if at all possible for the course to be what I entered. All through the year there was talk here about the risks of a shortened or cancelled swim in Galway, and that is what happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    Kayak cancelled, mountain run and part of cycle at the Achill roar changed because of the terrible weather this year. It wasn't really an issue to anyone there. Safety comes first and everyone has to deal with the same course and conditions on the day.

    I don't get the big deal tri people make over this kind of thing. Every adventure race is infinitely tougher than any tri/ironman and they are never the same so you just have to take whatever is thrown at you and get on with it. Quit whining and HTFU


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭catweazle


    Kayak cancelled, mountain run and part of cycle at the Achill roar changed because of the terrible weather this year. It wasn't really an issue to anyone there. Safety comes first and everyone has to deal with the same course and conditions on the day.

    I don't get the big deal tri people make over this kind of thing. Every adventure race is infinitely tougher than any tri/ironman and they are never the same so you just have to take whatever is thrown at you and get on with it. Quit whining and HTFU

    Lol I can see the above being controversial - my opinion of Achill Roar going ahead was it was a commercial event and werent going to give back refunds. Fair play though you are the first person I have heard saying that race wasn't an issue - most people I talked to said it shouldn't have gone ahead in those conditions.

    Most people in triathlon train to beat a time, particularly at the longer distances - just like a marathon. Would you be so happy if you trained all year for Dublin to get under 3 hours and were told they were going to have to reduce it to 24 miles due to roadworks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    I have to agree that the swim in Galway is always going to be a risk. It was the right call on the day this year.

    I just hope they sort transition and the post race slop that they called food. They were my only 2 issues with the race this year. Weather is out of everyones control so no point stressing over that.

    A nice day would be good though! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    catweazle wrote: »
    Lol I can see the above being controversial - my opinion of Achill Roar going ahead was it was a commercial event and werent going to give back refunds. Fair play though you are the first person I have heard saying that race wasn't an issue - most people I talked to said it shouldn't have gone ahead in those conditions.

    I think people seem to sign up for an adventure/multisport race and forget the "adventure" part of it, in relation to weather everyone has to deal with it so where's the problem. I enjoy the challenge of these and it's a real case of racing whatever the course throws at you. It's a discussion for another day though, maybe people are too soft nowadays. I turned up at an Irish cycling championship years ago to what was advertised as a 84 mile race and it ended up being 105 miles, it was just a case of having to do it.

    catweazle wrote: »
    Most people in triathlon train to beat a time, particularly at the longer distances - just like a marathon. Would you be so happy if you trained all year for Dublin to get under 3 hours and were told they were going to have to reduce it to 24 miles due to roadworks

    I understand totally in relation to the IM and tri distances but there was a post here previous saying that a tri distance can vary by 10% so it seems a bit foolish to be making a big issue about this when a tri in one location can be a totally different distance to another location and that's leaving aside the other variables like gradient, weather, wind exposure etc which will vary comparisons even more. At least most road races are certified so more valid comparisons can be made.


    I am very easy going by the way, maybe that explains why I think the way I do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭nerraw1111


    Woah there Catweazle :)

    The weather (wind) is Achill was tough but there was no question that it should not have gone ahead. I didn't hear of a single person who said it should not have gone ahead, be it boards or race party. The boards thread has 15 people rating it excellent and 3 rating it very good, out of total 18.

    The lads who organise it are pretty sound so certainly wasn't the case that they weren't offering refunds as I don't think anyone asked. It was just crap weather and they advised people the night before that it might be cut short.

    On the other hand, I was pissed off it was cut short. I came to race the full course. But you can't control the weather and I wouldn't like to see organisers out of pocket because of it. They were unlucky but they still put a good race.

    I agree with Oryx in that I want to enter a race where it's going to be the full course and not canceled/cut short. Galway half Iron swim was always questioned whether it would go ahead so it's a valid reason for having second thoughts about it.

    You can't compare tris with adventure races/multi sports. They're only as easy or hard as you make them. True, distances don't matter for the likes of Roar and GF, but a shortened swim in a 70.3 isn't a 70.3


    I'm considering entering Galway but its the swim that niggles me.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 vinkerosin


    And the date has been announced........Sept 2nd 2012


    Hi can somebody give me the link where you can register for the inscription?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    You can't really lump tri in as an 'adventure' race. It's not an adventure race. It has standard distances, where as every adventure race is different - so people have every right to 'whine', people are training for the distance in tri, you're really training for the course in adventure races. Shortened is a nice way to label the swim in Galway anyway it was almost halved wasn't it?

    If you're going to put in the work required to train for a HIM you want it to be the correct distance, especially given the cost to enter it. Weather in Ireland and a sea swim is always going to carry a risk, you can reduce that risk by putting it on earlier in the year...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Kayak cancelled, mountain run and part of cycle at the Achill roar changed because of the terrible weather this year. It wasn't really an issue to anyone there. Safety comes first and everyone has to deal with the same course and conditions on the day.

    I don't get the big deal tri people make over this kind of thing. Every adventure race is infinitely tougher than any tri/ironman and they are never the same so you just have to take whatever is thrown at you and get on with it. Quit whining and HTFU

    LOL - I think that adventure racing was the unspoken joke of multisports - people actually take it seriously? I see mediocre single sport and multisport athletes doing too well in adventure races for there to be anyone taking it seriously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 donmc


    Entries will open in the middle of this week via www.ironmanireland.com


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    tunney wrote: »
    LOL - I think that adventure racing was the unspoken joke of multisports - people actually take it seriously? I see mediocre single sport and multisport athletes doing too well in adventure races for there to be anyone taking it seriously.

    In fairness that's a pretty sh1tty elitist condescending attitude for any athlete to have towards other athletes. You're just coming across as an ass here.

    I presume you have always finished top 5 in everything you do. It's also a bit foolish to think that just because one person is mediocre at one discipline that the same will be true for every discipline they try. You do realise that every body and every sport are different, maybe you don't though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 azaleski


    pgibbo wrote: »
    I have to agree that the swim in Galway is always going to be a risk. It was the right call on the day this year. :D

    Two important questions:

    1. What is it with that swim? Why it is so dangerous?

    2. Registration, registration, when?

    IMHO orgs might consider starting the event later in the day. How about a decent lake in the neighbourhood? Maybe they are too serious about that 'iron' part


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭griffin100


    azaleski wrote: »
    Two important questions:

    1. What is it with that swim? Why it is so dangerous?

    2. Registration, registration, when?

    IMHO orgs might consider starting the event later in the day. How about a decent lake in the neighbourhood? Maybe they are too serious about that 'iron' part

    Triathlons can start early for a number of reasons including the need to reopen closed roads and for longer races getting people off the course before it gets dark ( shouldn't be an issue on a HIM). For sea swims tides can also dictate start times. The Galway swim is a risk not because it's dangerous but because a seavswim is always weather dependent and in September the weather can be rough. A lake swim is almost always a more reliable option but finding a lake with enough space for a 2000+ transition close to suitable roads ain't that easy! If you're thinking of a HIM and the swim worries you I'd reccomend the Tri An Mhi half or the Humbert Challenge which both have lakes swims, less crowded course and cost a hell of a lot less to enter than Galway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 azaleski


    griffin100 wrote: »
    If you're thinking of a HIM and the swim worries you I'd reccomend the Tri An Mhi half or the Humbert Challenge which both have lakes swims, less crowded course and cost a hell of a lot less to enter than Galway.

    I need one of these 35 slots to Las Vegas :D and although my getting one of them probably won't happen anytime soon :D I need at least to give it a try so my choice of event is limited. Otherwise I fully agree. This 70.3 in Galway looks quite tough on video, especially bike because of the wet road but I hope on 2-9-2012 the weather will be much better :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭numorouno


    donmc wrote: »
    Entries will open in the middle of this week via www.ironmanireland.com



    where did you see this? there is no notification of entry on the website and its still listing the dates for this years one.

    I cant remember but when did entries open for this years one and therefore possibly would open for next years one also


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭tinydave


    I got this reply today from Ironman
    Laura Beecroft, Nov-14 04:17 am (CST):
    Hi
    Thank you for your email. Entries for Ironman 70.3 Ireland will open on 1st December at 07:03 (GMT)
    To secure your entry please visit www.ironmanireland.com at this time
    Thank you


    Laura Beecroft
    Race Office and Athlete Services Manager | IRONMAN Britain & Ireland
    [cid:image001.jpg@01CCA2B6.9D4E1730]
    World Endurance UK Ltd | Prama House | 267 Banbury Road | Oxford | OX2 7HT | United Kingdom


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 donmc


    numorouno wrote: »
    where did you see this? there is no notification of entry on the website and its still listing the dates for this years one.

    I cant remember but when did entries open for this years one and therefore possibly would open for next years one also


    I got it as an email reply from ironmanireland last Monday. But I see this morning that the date has been changed again to the 1st / December.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭ChickenBalls


    So on the 1st December will this more than likely be sold out in a couple of hours like other IMs ??

    How much is it?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    That's if it opens on Dec 1st at all. Are they having problems with the organisation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    keith123 wrote: »
    So on the 1st December will this more than likely be sold out in a couple of hours like other IMs ??

    How much is it?

    Its not an IM so probably not.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭EC1000


    That's if it opens on Dec 1st at all. Are they having problems with the organisation?

    Didn't hear that. Tell us more....


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    EC1000 wrote: »
    Didn't hear that. Tell us more....

    Just seems odd that it took them nearly two months to announce a new date and Ironman Ireland still isn't listed on the 70.3 events list. I have no idea what I'm talking about though - other than it's apparently 'more costly' to stage this even here than it is elsewhere. I'm just speculating really. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Just seems odd that it took them nearly two months to announce a new date and Ironman Ireland still isn't listed on the 70.3 events list. I have no idea what I'm talking about though - other than it's apparently 'more costly' to stage this even here than it is elsewhere. I'm just speculating really. :)

    As far as I know this event was operated under a franchise model but as a WTC owned race run by the local lads. I know in the US WTC likes to run all races themselves and bought the rights back from NAS a few years back but in Europe I think are usually under the franchise model.

    I did hear some rumours that the lads couldn't raise the cash to become a franchise and this only came to light later in the organisation for the 2011 event.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭nerraw1111


    This is what their Facebook says:

    "E&R Events are delighted to announce that registration for IRONMAN IRELAND 70.3 2012 which will take place on the 2 nd of September in Galway, will be open on December 1 st at 7.03 AM. Last year sold out in 3 months so we are expecting an even faster take up this year considering that the event seems to have been well received. Thanks to all of those who took part and supported us last year we hope to make 2012 and even bigger success."


  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭mush500


    Really hope it goes ahead as hope to us it as a target for the season. Would be alot more comfortable if it was on the official ironman 70.3 event list before paying though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 donmc


    mush500 wrote: »
    Really hope it goes ahead as hope to us it as a target for the season. Would be alot more comfortable if it was on the official ironman 70.3 event list before paying though.

    So from reading the above, there's goin to be a HIM but this wont be the official Ironman Brand?? If this is the case will the prices be in line with other HIM events around.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭Bambaata


    Events dont always appear on the IM site for a while. Ive already seen some early announcements on a 70.3 in Lanzarote next Nov but it probably wont get all confirmed for another month or two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭catweazle


    You know I would be more inclined to enter this if Ironman wasn't involved.

    They put an astronomical overhead on the entry fee and you get very little from what I can see on top of the Lost Sheep or Swinford provide for a 1/3 of the money

    I think the local organizers from what I have heard and saw on the day overall did a good job - would people depart in droves if it wasn't Ironman backed and was more competitively priced. Only a small few have any real ambition in racing it for the slots to Las Vegas

    Of course the road closures, organization, volunteers, finishing straight etc etc need to be in place but with the backing of the local Triathlon club I would think its very possible. I stand to be corrected but I would be very doubtful if Ironman did much more than collect their race entry fees, make sure the set up was adequate and send over Mike Reilly (probably all expenses paid)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    catweazle wrote: »
    You know I would be more inclined to enter this if Ironman wasn't involved.

    They put an astronomical overhead on the entry fee and you get very little from what I can see on top of the Lost Sheep or Swinford provide for a 1/3 of the money

    I think the local organizers from what I have heard and saw on the day overall did a good job - would people depart in droves if it wasn't Ironman backed and was more competitively priced. Only a small few have any real ambition in racing it for the slots to Las Vegas

    Of course the road closures, organization, volunteers, finishing straight etc etc need to be in place but with the backing of the local Triathlon club I would think its very possible. I stand to be corrected but I would be very doubtful if Ironman did much more than collect their race entry fees, make sure the set up was adequate and send over Mike Reilly (probably all expenses paid)

    IMO a lot of people did the race because it was IM branded. Some even think they're Ironmen but that's a whole other can of worms! :D

    IMO, the organisers did do a good job. A couple of minor complaints about the organization but for the first running of the event I thought it was well done. You get a lot more for your entry in the Lost Sheep. All you got for the 70.3 in Galway was a poxy bag. I can't comment on Swinford as I've never done it.

    I honestly think if the IM brand wasn't there it would be a 300-500 competitor race at most. The brand attracts people. It will be interesting to see if it sells out again this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    pgibbo wrote: »
    IMO a lot of people did the race because it was IM branded. Some even think they're Ironmen but that's a whole other can of worms! :D

    IMO, the organisers did do a good job. A couple of minor complaints about the organization but for the first running of the event I thought it was well done. You get a lot more for your entry in the Lost Sheep. All you got for the 70.3 in Galway was a poxy bag. I can't comment on Swinford as I've never done it.

    I honestly think if the IM brand wasn't there it would be a 300-500 competitor race at most. The brand attracts people. It will be interesting to see if it sells out again this year.

    Which would have made the organisers more money 300-500 unbranded or 2000 branded.

    2000 people in the first year race for inexperienced organisers was never going to result in a first rate race. They did well considering.

    Still no convinced of the longevity of the event.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    tunney wrote: »
    Which would have made the organisers more money 300-500 unbranded or 2000 branded.

    2000 people in the first year race for inexperienced organisers was never going to result in a first rate race. They did well considering.

    Still no convinced of the longevity of the event.

    I reckon the unbranded would have this year but they are banking on the long game and making more money in the long run.

    I hear you around longevity - especially with the swim concerns


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 donmc


    pgibbo wrote: »
    I reckon the unbranded would have this year but they are banking on the long game and making more money in the long run.

    I hear you around longevity - especially with the swim concerns

    The fact that this may be unbranded, maybe they could move to the swim to another location. This might help rule out a shorter swim etc...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭tinydave


    The fact that this may be unbranded, maybe they could move to the swim to another location. This might help rule out a shorter swim etc...
    This is an ironman 70.3 branded event, they have the IM franchise for it for 5 years don't they ? ? ?
    Sure if it wasnt a IM branded Event they wouldn't be selling entries for €215 !!!
    Or am I completly off the ball here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭ChickenBalls


    €215 + 5% credit card fee = overpriced!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭numorouno


    keith123 wrote: »
    €215 + 5% credit card fee = overpriced!

    holy sh1t!!! i thought it was €199 last year with no credit card fee?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    keith123 wrote: »
    €215 + 5% credit card fee = overpriced!

    Alternatively this equation also works

    IM branded = overpriced


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