Dublin's 24h bus services

Dodge · 28-11-2019 3:59pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

They start with 04.00 and end 03.30. It should be 00.00 and end at 23.30.

In many European cities daily tickets are valid until 3/4am so presumably Dublin will follow that model. The idea is that your ticket can get you to an evening/night event and home without need for changing tickets/days

It makes sense to be fair

Hugo_Whoriskey · 30-11-2019 5:14pm

They're getting rid of the 15N service, makes sense.
Amending the 49N however to basically cover the old 15N route is ridiculous and now leaves the other end of Knocklyon/Firhouse with no nightlink and both the 15/49N serving woodstown/Ballycullen. Stupid

john boye · 30-11-2019 5:50pm

Hugo_Whoriskey wrote: »

They're getting rid of the 15N service, makes sense.
Amending the 49N however to basically cover the old 15N route is ridiculous and now leaves the other end of Knocklyon/Firhouse with no nightlink and both the 15/49N serving woodstown/Ballycullen. Stupid

You wouldn't fancy getting that 49N all the way to Kilnamanagh on that convoluted route with a few pints on you. I'd be long asleep before the end.

p_haugh · 30-11-2019 9:37pm

I'm curious what they'll do with the 46n if the 46a (or even the 145/155) ends up becoming a 24 hour route as well.

xper · 01-12-2019 5:07pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Why have timetable been designed like this?

https://www.dublinbus.ie/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/4121/

Hmmm, maybe they are be having a rethink! 15 and 41 timetable currently unavailable on the Dublin Bus website and the above link is showing their website CMS login

Jamie2k9 · 01-12-2019 11:42pm

Dodge wrote: »

In many European cities daily tickets are valid until 3/4am so presumably Dublin will follow that model. The idea is that your ticket can get you to an evening/night event and home without need for changing tickets/days

It makes sense to be fair

Well it doesn't.

Plenty of tickets are valid into the early hours and no need for a ridiculous timetable design.

p_haugh · 02-12-2019 12:47am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Well it doesn't.

Plenty of tickets are valid into the early hours and no need for a ridiculous timetable design.

I would hazard a guess that they're keeping the timetable in the same format as all the other routes, with "first service" for the day being at 4/5 am.
Also, having the times for the day go until 3.30 helps to indicate that the last service is not at midnight like every other route either.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 02-12-2019 8:40am

Any word of how the 24 hour busses went? Was there much of a take up?

Jamie2k9 · 02-12-2019 11:24pm

p_haugh wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that they're keeping the timetable in the same format as all the other routes, with "first service" for the day being at 4/5 am.
Also, having the times for the day go until 3.30 helps to indicate that the last service is not at midnight like every other route either.

The "first service" no longer applies to this route and there is no real explanation for it.

Any word of how the 24 hour busses went? Was there much of a take up?

I was on the 04.30 on Sunday morning and there was about 20 (2-3) boarded at N Circular Rd, Drumcondra Station.

BOHtox · 09-12-2019 12:16am

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Any word of how the 24 hour busses went? Was there much of a take up?

Last week I got on the 15 at about 1.40 in Artane and there was maybe 4 or 5 people on it. A few stragglers heading in to town I'd say. By the time it got to town it started to fill up nicely. I was upstairs (So I didn't see downstairs obviously) but upstairs was about 80% full (Now as I said there may have been people standing downstairs) from Dame Street to Terenure when people started getting off. I got off in Templeogue then and there was still a few people using it to get home towards Tallaght direction.

There was a few drunk people falling asleep but it was innocuous. No trouble from what I've seen.

The rest were all sorts then, couples, singles, groups of friends etc using it to get home and saving themselves a few quid in the process.

Good service. I'd recommend it.

Qrt · 09-12-2019 12:32am

I saw a 15 go along Westmoreland Street at 03:45 this morning while I was waiting for the Nitelink.

It looked packed.

youcancallmeal · 09-12-2019 11:17am

I got on the 15 on Friday at 1.30am around the top of Amiens St heading Southside. There was only a couple of other people on it but was completely full by time we got to Georges St. We drove past bus stops all the way through Rathmines with loads of people waiting. My wife was on Camden St on Sat night about 2am and she said it was same thing with 15 driving past full and loads of people waiting at the bus stop. It's a great and cheap way to get home but if you're in Camden St/Rathmines heading south between 12 and 3 forget about it. They should really put on a bus every 10 minutes on Friday and Saturday during these peak times, even if just for Christmas. Altogether it's a great service and hopefully it grows and improves to meet demand.

ax586 · 09-12-2019 12:10pm

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I got on the 15 on Friday at 1.30am around the top of Amiens St heading Southside. There was only a couple of other people on it but was completely full by time we got to Georges St. We drove past bus stops all the way through Rathmines with loads of people waiting. My wife was on Camden St on Sat night about 2am and she said it was same thing with 15 driving past full and loads of people waiting at the bus stop. It's a great and cheap way to get home but if you're in Camden St/Rathmines heading south between 12 and 3 forget about it. They should really put on a bus every 10 minutes on Friday and Saturday during these peak times, even if just for Christmas. Altogether it's a great service and hopefully it grows and improves to meet demand.

And may I ask where are going to find drivers to make it every ten minutes

LeinsterDub · 09-12-2019 12:14pm

ax586 wrote: »

And may I ask where are going to find drivers to make it every ten minutes

Same place the found the ones driving every 30 minutes one would think.

ax586 · 09-12-2019 1:05pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Same place the found the ones driving every 30 minutes one would think.

You do realise they are still short drivers for the one they are running now..

dfx- · 09-12-2019 2:10pm

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I got on the 15 on Friday at 1.30am around the top of Amiens St heading Southside. There was only a couple of other people on it but was completely full by time we got to Georges St. We drove past bus stops all the way through Rathmines with loads of people waiting. My wife was on Camden St on Sat night about 2am and she said it was same thing with 15 driving past full and loads of people waiting at the bus stop. It's a great and cheap way to get home but if you're in Camden St/Rathmines heading south between 12 and 3 forget about it. They should really put on a bus every 10 minutes on Friday and Saturday during these peak times, even if just for Christmas. Altogether it's a great service and hopefully it grows and improves to meet demand.

That's often the case if you need a particular route in that area during the regular evening hours. 14, 15, 16s in particular.

youcancallmeal · 09-12-2019 4:56pm

ax586 wrote: »

You do realise they are still short drivers for the one they are running now..

I don't know what the margins are on running 24 hour buses but I would hope they can incentivise more drivers to do it and not be running at a loss. Ultimately Dublin Bus is a business and the aim of the business is getting as many people on as many buses as possible in order to turn a profit.

bk · 09-12-2019 5:03pm

If it is successful enough, I could see DB starting to hire drivers specifically for expanding night services.

If the likes of Aircoach, etc. can hire drivers willing to drive at night, I see no reason why DB couldn't attract the same, given they tend to pay more.

thenightman · 09-12-2019 8:45pm

ax586 wrote: »

And may I ask where are going to find drivers to make it every ten minutes

There's the auld reliable negative Dublin Bus attitude, service is obviously a success and the whinging continues!

Polar101 · 09-12-2019 9:51pm

thenightman wrote: »

There's the auld reliable negative Dublin Bus attitude, service is obviously a success and the whinging continues!

It's not unreasonable to expect a decent bus service. Just because we finally got two 24 hour bus routes, doesn't mean the public transport levels in Dublin are anywhere near the standard expected of a capital city.

BOHtox · 10-12-2019 12:51am

The thing about the Nitelink is, it's too expensive, the timetables were completely unknown to most (Fair enough, people here will know them, the average punter between 18 and 30 years old wouldn't), it didn't show up on real time so even if you were on a Nitelink route and you knew there was one due roughly around now, you've no idea if you just missed it or it's coming now or in 10 minutes.

This 24 hour service solves all of that. It's cheap. It actually opens up a new market for people going out too. Students for instance, instead of having to budget potentially €10, €15, €20 quid for going home they now know they only need €2.25 or €3 on a prepaid card so it's of no extra expense for them to go out and stay out past the last bus. Similarly, people who would have gotten the last bus just for the sake of convenience, and the 23:30 bus used to drive past people at stops when it was full.

I remember one time when I was a student a few years ago I was in town and I missed all the last buses and the only thing that went anywhere near my house was the 14 and even then it left me with an hour walk. So I walked anyway and I remember being soooooo thirsty. I hadn't even money for a bottle of water. I remember walking by plenty of bus stops and all said "no real time available for this stop". So I walked and I walked and I walked and then a 15n drove by me. I was stuck between two stops, no way was I catching it. But jesus it was so frustrating because I definitely would have gotten it had I known it was coming as I had money on the leap card.

I rarely carry cash and I've been in a few taxis recently that don't take card (on a separate issue, is mandatory for them to accept card soon?) so the bus home on nights out is a viable option for me. I can imagine people might stay out a bit later still knowing they have the convenience of getting a bus home and it's cheaper. Now on a slightly different point, if pubs and clubs had the option to close an hour later I think we'd be in a really nice spot in terms of nightlife and a 24 hour city culture.

p_haugh · 10-12-2019 2:01am

Another thing about the nitelink is that officially they only pick up at certain points on each route, which is not the case with the 24 hour routes now

Atlantic Dawn · 10-12-2019 2:04am

p_haugh wrote: »

Another thing about the nitelink is that officially they only pick up at certain points on each route, which is not the case with the 24 hour routes now

Nitelink picks up nowhere on the route.

Tickityboo · 10-12-2019 2:38am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Nitelink picks up nowhere on the route.

They have some set pick up stops along each route.

punisher5112 · 10-12-2019 6:56am

All this information is widely available as it always has been from when timetable were published to leaflets to the internet.....

Most have smart phones and even before them you could get the internet and browse.

I can't see how 18 to 30 year olds would be that dim to not know how to search for the information needed.

Buses, trains etc have WiFi for those too stingy to have mobile data....

It's like the argument of fares were too high etc when there was for years the travel90 tickets which actually would have saved many money but they wouldn't buy them... Especially when using 2 buses or even the xpresso buses which it saved a lot.

LeinsterDub · 10-12-2019 10:24am

ax586 wrote: »

You do realise they are still short drivers for the one they are running now..

I guess we shouldn't even try so ?

bikeman1 · 10-12-2019 1:31pm

I have used a couple of the new services (41) - both from the city centre.

Both were well used and picked up and set down along the way. I took one from Abbey Street and there was no hassle for people to head there, from what I could see. In fact there were many airport staff (you can tell by their uniforms) boarding en route.

I think that the 30 minute frequency is sufficient. Judging a 15 going up Camden Street in December at 2 / 3 / 4am when Christmas parties are in full swing is not the best. Neither would the third Tuesday in January when everyone is sober and broke! There will be peaks and troughs!

Interestingly, some early cheap travel to / from the airport is no possible with a change at Eden Quay / Abbey St. onto either service. You can feasibly get to / from the airport in the middle of the night for less than €4 with leap!

Nitelinks serve a purpose to clear people home from the bars and clubs around town, but that is about it. The 24 hour routes allow full pick up in both directions at low fares. These services will allow so many more people to live on these corridors to allow them to get to work by bus, which was not possible until now.

bk · 10-12-2019 5:42pm

bikeman1 wrote: »

Both were well used and picked up and set down along the way. I took one from Abbey Street and there was no hassle for people to head there, from what I could see. In fact there were many airport staff (you can tell by their uniforms) boarding en route.

Living on the route myself, this doesn't surprise me at all. It feels like half my neighbours work at the airport or one of the airlines. The 41 will be very popular with them.

bikeman1 wrote: »

I think that the 30 minute frequency is sufficient. Judging a 15 going up Camden Street in December at 2 / 3 / 4am when Christmas parties are in full swing is not the best. Neither would the third Tuesday in January when everyone is sober and broke! There will be peaks and troughs!

Of course and I'd agree that you'd have to give it a few months to settle down before even considering increasing frequency.

Having said that I could see the 41 getting busier over time. Think about when word gets out amongst regular travellers and out onto various travel websites and blogs. I suspect it could end up being a very busy service year round.

I could see just the 41 eventually (like a year or two down the line) needing higher frequency. Also we could eventually see perhaps a higher frequency just between 12 and 4am Friday and Saturday nights on other routes.

But I agree with you it is probably way too early to make those sort of decisions now. Better now to just let it bed it, for the word to get out and to first focus on getting more 24/7 routes started. But a few years from now, I wouldn't be surprised if we see higher frequencies at certain day/times.

Joker2019 · 10-12-2019 6:04pm

There could be an argument down the line to run 24hr services more frequently at night at particular times of the year for example in the run up to Christmas, BH weekends and after concerts.

Xterminator · 10-12-2019 7:52pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I guess we shouldn't even try so ?

maybe make a couple of other routes 24 hrs rather than concentrate all the night drivers on just 2 routes?

spread the 24 hr service to different areas of the city.

punisher5112 · 10-12-2019 8:04pm

Xterminator wrote: »

maybe make a couple of other routes 24 hrs rather than concentrate all the night drivers on just 2 routes?

spread the 24 hr service to different areas of the city.

They will be but issues are breaking and where as everything is closed so they need access to a garage.

Very few signed up and newbies made up the rest as it was part of their contracts.

AlekSmart · 10-12-2019 8:06pm

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I don't know what the margins are on running 24 hour buses but I would hope they can incentivise more drivers to do it and not be running at a loss. Ultimately Dublin Bus is a business and the aim of the business is getting as many people on as many buses as possible in order to turn a profit.

The "margin" should not be an issue here,as the routes form part of the Dublin Bus/NTA Public Service Obligation contract.

The NTA therefore set the Service Specification,and allocate the appropriate funding to allow the operator a "reasonable profit".

Operating a Bus on a permanent Nightwork Basis will never be an easy sell for any Bus Company,hence the requirement for enhanced pay rates and other compensatory elements.

It is vitally necessary for those who are supporting these services to e-mail the NTA with the same type of message as is being posted here,as in.."provide the service and I will use it"...that is the NTA's remit and it should be encouraged to expand this aspect.

The current NTA Night Service plans remain somewhat unchallenging,and should be ramped up a bit,even if it incurs the wrath of the established Taxi industry.

However,it has to be realized that services such as 24hr Bus Routes DO cost,but also provide a very real Social Benefit to the greater society.

Jamie2k9 · 11-12-2019 12:54am

punisher5112 wrote: »

They will be but issues are breaking and where as everything is closed so they need access to a garage.

Very few signed up and newbies made up the rest as it was part of their contracts.

Id say it would be a handy shift for drivers. The anti social card was probably overplayed and might have put people off. No traffic, no stopping every stop and lots of breaks because a schedule which might take 45 mins at peak times take 20-25.

Many coach drivers life night shifts.

How are nightlink rostered?

Jamie2k9 · 15-12-2019 12:15pm

2,829 used the 41 over the first 5 nights. Nothing about the 15.

https://www.thejournal.ie/late-night-dublin-bus-services-4934406-Dec2019/

punisher5112 · 15-12-2019 12:18pm

I'd say taxi drivers are peed off....

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 15-12-2019 2:39pm

Those Dublin bus night shifts are quite bad, still doing a 8 / 9 hour shift work breaks at 1 or 3 in the morning time !

Even one there that breaks for 2 hours on Eden quay in the middle of the night ! What's worse the driver has to hand over his bus to the next driver ! So around 2am with 2 hours in Dublin where it's not safe. A bad duty during the night and of course the middle of winter now.

Of course nobody wants to do those shifts !

Sure if I do a Belfast during the night I've less work than a night time 15 driver !

They can be a great service, I've seen even early on they are carrying a good few people and not party goers either, people just trying to get around so I'd be happy to see now expansion but they really need to re do the entire roster for them

cgcsb · 15-12-2019 2:46pm

The taxi industry needs to be obliterated by 24 hr routes. The city centre is dangerously congested with taxis at night and the selective behaviour of drivers in december isn't exactly building good will. Good riddance I say. Here's hoping that next Christmas the city is well covered by 24hr services.

Joker2019 · 15-12-2019 3:29pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Those Dublin bus night shifts are quite bad, still doing a 8 / 9 hour shift work breaks at 1 or 3 in the morning time !

Even one there that breaks for 2 hours on Eden quay in the middle of the night ! What's worse the driver has to hand over his bus to the next driver ! So around 2am with 2 hours in Dublin where it's not safe. A bad duty during the night and of course the middle of winter now.

Of course nobody wants to do those shifts !

Sure if I do a Belfast during the night I've less work than a night time 15 driver !

They can be a great service, I've seen even early on they are carrying a good few people and not party goers either, people just trying to get around so I'd be happy to see now expansion but they really need to re do the entire roster for them

I dont think Dublin is really anymore dangerous at 2 or 3am than it is at 8 or 9 at night. Anytime I've been in town late at night I havent felt that unsafe a lot of the junkies will have gone to their hostels at stage. You have to remember as well that depending on certain peoples arrangements when it comes to things like childcare it may suit them better to work nights than day shifts. With over 2,500 bus drivers working for DB working nights is bound to suit some.

cgcsb · 15-12-2019 3:36pm

I don't think there's any statistical basis for the narrative of there being a higher incidence of crime at night. There's generally a distinct lack of junkies about at 3M anyway

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 15-12-2019 6:19pm

Leaving junkies and crime aside, on a Thursday, Friday or Saturday night, even trying to get into McDonald's for a cup of coffee would be a problem with the amount of drunks around

Or even just being around the city at 2am on a break in the cold wouldn't be nice and that's only the middle of the shift !

All I'm suggesting is they set it up better that maybe a late duty would start at around 8pm and break 11 - 12 and finish around 3. And an early duty starting at 3 , break about 6-7 and finish around 10 would probably make more sense

cgcsb · 16-12-2019 8:37am

I don't really follow. Like are you afraid of just seeing a person who is drunk? Have you never been drunk?

I don't really care how it's fostered to be honest as long as the service is provided. I'm just perplexed that anyone would by so hyper sensitive to ther people's business.

Xterminator · 16-12-2019 10:33am

There are plenty of people who get a taxi during the day, when all the buses are running. There will be plenty of people who get a taxi at night even if they have the choice.

Im sure the taxis will take a hit, but its not like the industry is doomed.

cgcsb · 16-12-2019 10:40am

Xterminator wrote: »

There are plenty of people who get a taxi during the day, when all the buses are running. There will be plenty of people who get a taxi at night even if they have the choice.

Im sure the taxis will take a hit, but its not like the industry is doomed.

Majority of the business is night time there'll certainly be a reduction in numbers and of course a reduction in emissions from transport.

LeinsterDub · 16-12-2019 10:42am

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Of course nobody wants to do those shifts !

Not according to Dublin Bus , they said they had lots of drivers who wanted to do them as it suited their personal circumstances

Kyleboy · 16-12-2019 11:47am

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Not according to Dublin Bus , they said they had lots of drivers who wanted to do them as it suited their personal circumstances

Really, are you sure?. Can you tell us how you know this?

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 16-12-2019 11:54am

cgcsb wrote: »

I don't really follow. Like are you afraid of just seeing a person who is drunk? Have you never been drunk?

I don't really care how it's fostered to be honest as long as the service is provided. I'm just perplexed that anyone would by so hyper sensitive to ther people's business.

Afraid of looking at people who are drunk ? Are you for real ?

The shift these lads are doing during the night are though enough when you can't get a bit of peace to yourself for a break.

Like you say, if you don't care how it's done once the service is provided then why do you give a flying sh,ite about the suggestions being made to help make the shifts better ? Sure it won't effect you ! :rolleyes:

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 16-12-2019 11:56am

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Not according to Dublin Bus , they said they had lots of drivers who wanted to do them as it suited their personal circumstances

I can tell for fact it is not true.

So far at the moment a lot of the night shifts are being covered by people who are very new to the job and that's because they are junior spare (no fixed rota) and it's in their employment contract that they must be available 24hours for work. I.e days , early's, middles, lates, nights and indifferent

devnull · 16-12-2019 11:58am

Kyleboy wrote: »

Really, are you sure?. Can you tell us how you know this?

Believe it's what Donal Keating who is operations director of Dublin Bus said when interviewed on the On The Move podcast recently.

bikeman1 · 16-12-2019 12:16pm

I was on an city centre bound service from Swords on Saturday night / Sunday morning. Loaded approximately 20 from Swords and we picked up a few at the airport (well after the last flights had arrived - winter schedule).

From what I could make out, the opposite working from town was very well loaded as well.

I was chatting to a lad who was waiting at the stop. He sometimes had late finishes and when he did he had to get a taxi home, because he doesn't drive. He was delighted with the new service.

Joker2019 · 16-12-2019 12:20pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Afraid of looking at people who are drunk ? Are you for real ?

The shift these lads are doing during the night are though enough when you can't get a bit of peace to yourself for a break.

Like you say, if you don't care how it's done once the service is provided then why do you give a flying sh,ite about the suggestions being made to help make the shifts better ? Sure it won't effect you ! :rolleyes:

I see lots of DB staff whom I assume are drivers around the O'Connell Street, Henry Street and Parnell Street area on their break. Personally I would not assoicate that part of town with peace and quiet even during the day. I've said it before but I don't why they can't open up the DB canteen on Earl Place with key code/swipe card access or even DB HQ on a similar basis for night drivers.

Dublin's 24h bus services

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