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BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

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    #9632
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120670753#Comment_120670753

    I assume the go-ahead routes as part of phase 5 are also planned to start on the 24th September.



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    #9633
    rx8
    Registered Users Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭rx8


    As far as I remember, the 80DA, and KT82, are going to be the initial parts of those routes that will start and will fully operate once the A-spine comes in. The K is Killinarden. There's a mistake on the map I have that shows the 80 going from Ballinteer at the bottom to Ballinteer again at the top.



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    #9634
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Daith


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120670950#Comment_120670950

    Do you know which way the route will go. I'm assuming it'll just down Finglas road and and the up Ballyboggan rd?



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    #9635
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120670998#Comment_120670998

    Come on - you've been around here long enough to know the rules, people are allowed to have different opinions on your post and views just like you are allowed to have different opinions and views to them.

    However the kind of post above is not acceptable as it attacks the poster rather than the post. Please can you refrain from doing so in future.

    Moderator



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    #9636
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120671851#Comment_120671851

    No idea as this is just an internal document.



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    #9637
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120671721#Comment_120671721

    They would be yes, but as before I’d take any dates with a grain of salt.



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    #9638
    StreetLight
    Registered Users Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    When the 26 transferred from Phibsboro to Conyngham, I seem to remember from somewhere that it was was internally referred to as the 26T, but I have no idea what the T stood for.

    If Conyngham will be the sole operating garage for the 80, how will that garage cope with an effective doubling of the route length without an increase of buses to cover it? The 26 seems to be struggling as it is at certain times of the day.



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    #9639
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120675862#Comment_120675862

    Just as with the other phases, buses would move around the depots and potentially buses brought back into service from the reserves.

    The problem remains whether they will have the drivers to drive them.

    Post edited by LXFlyer on


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    #9640
    Ismaithliommilseáin
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭Ismaithliommilseáin


    Could I please ask a question regarding the new routes, specifically the F-Spine and the E-Spine...

    Background: We want to buy a house and our kids will be commuting to Trinity and UCD. We found a house close to Glasnevin cemetery off the Finglas Road but we had ruled it out as the bus connections were poor after 11.45 and the only way back at night would be to walk from Drumcondra Station or Cabra East Luas stop which would be a bit far.

    However, when I read about new bus routes I thought that maybe this house near Glasnevin cemetery might still be an option. So is it correct to say that the new F-Spine bus route will allow travel to Glasnevin cemetery area after midnight and throughout the night? When will this new route be launched?

    Also is it correct that the new E-Spine route will travel directly from the end of the Botanic Gardens/Botanic Road area to UCD? How long would this take and again when will this be launched?

    Thank you very much for any information. I am not from Dublin so I have tried to inform myself by reading the NTA website but I just wanted to make sure that I understand these new routes correctly.



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    #9641
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120677011#Comment_120677011

    Firstly, yes it is likely that each spine will operate during the night. The exact details of frequencies are only published when each phase is being launched.

    The E Spine will link Botanic Road and UCD.

    The map here shows the planned network, and broadly that is what will happen, aside from minor tweaks:

    https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/big-picture-map-170920-oe-web.pdf

    The difficult part is answering when the phases may happen, because of the severe shortage of drivers that the bus companies are suffering. They don’t have the staff to operate the current schedule let alone an expanded one.

    Target launch dates have been published several times through internal NTA documents or union notices being shared publicly, but every time they have been missed.

    Currently the hope seemingly is that the F Spine will phase will happen before the end of this year, and the E Spine phase in early 2024, but no one can say with any certainly that those dates will be met as they are entirely dependent on the companies having sufficient staff to operate the services, and every phase involves increased services.

    It’s a “how long is a piece of string” situation.



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    #9642
    Ismaithliommilseáin
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭Ismaithliommilseáin


    Thank you very much LXFlyer for that very useful information. I appreciate you taking the time to help me out.



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    #9643
    Steve Allen
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭Steve Allen


    If I lived up at the ikea end and had to switch to the E-spine going along Mobhi Rd I'd be pretty irked



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    #9644
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120681303#Comment_120681303

    Like any network change - there’s always going to be winners and losers. You’ll never please everyone. The key is not to upset the majority of users (as the original design clearly did).

    It may well be that the F1 extension to IKEA will remain in place as a tweak to the final design. It’s not completely cast in stone.

    The 23 would however provide an alternative route, or people could take an outbound E2 and get an F1 from there if the terminus does switch to Charlestown.



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    #9645
    ceatharloch
    Registered Users Posts: 210 ✭✭ceatharloch


    And then in Galway City - https://sites.google.com/view/galwaybus - some ideas (too long to post here in BOARDS) on a system different from the one proposed by BUSCONNECTS.



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    #9646
    jd
    Registered Users Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭jd


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120681303#Comment_120681303

    If you were up near Ikea wouldn't you just take the E2 when it is launched ?

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    #9647
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120685512#Comment_120685512

    I suspect what they are saying is that would be slower than the current 140 route via Finglas Road.



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    #9648
    madnessnmayhem
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭madnessnmayhem


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120670791#Comment_120670791

    Wonder where in Broombridge the L89 going to stop?



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    #9649
    DaBluBoi
    Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭DaBluBoi


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120687961#Comment_120687961

    Most probably the same place as the 40e



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    #9650
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Daith


    I wonder if they'll install some shelter in Broombridge. Like a mini Liffey Valley. Be good to get a yellow box at the entrance to prevent buses from being blocked leaving



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    #9651
    tnegun
    Registered Users Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭tnegun


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120654844#Comment_120654844

    I spoke with one of the GAI drivers who will operate the W61/62 once live and the new date is the 25th of June. He said the reason for the further delay they were given was the councils not installing the stops/resolving issues with stops in time. Is it the NTA or council responsible for installing these? As far as he knew they have the drivers and busses to operate them.



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    #9652
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Council need to have the bases installed and the NTA put in the poles/signs; I believe

    They still only have the signs on one side of the road for the 139 through Maynooth, so things don't move quickly there!



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    #9653
    tnegun
    Registered Users Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭tnegun


    All the bases are installed on the Moyglare road in Maynooth at least, they were done when the road was upgraded they just need polls and road markings from what I can see.



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    #9654
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120689077#Comment_120689077

    Yes, they'll publish details on the 19th.



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    #9655
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The timetables and route maps for the W61 and W62 are now on bustimes.org - great to see some well chosen termini locations and long operating hours on both.

    W61:

    https://bustimes.org/services/w61-hazelhatch-station-maynooth


    W62:

    https://bustimes.org/services/w62-the-square-newcastle




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    #9656
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There is no S/B stop at the Maynooth Station stop - and no room to put one in easily as its on a bridge embankment - which would suggest the bus is going to have to serve the same stop in both directions. This is possible as its in a turning bay but will be a balls of a manoeuvre in peak traffic.

    That said, it has a different stop ID s/b on bustimes so maybe they will just ram the bus up on the cycle lane!



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    #9657
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693552#Comment_120693552

    They are adding a southbound stop.

    Presumably the cyclists will have to yield to pedestrians.

    https://consult.kildarecoco.ie/en/consultation/section-38-%E2%80%93-w6-orbital-route-bus-stop-locations-straffan-road-maynooth-maynooth-community-college

    The maps are at the very bottom of the page.



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    #9658
    DaBluBoi
    Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭DaBluBoi


    W4 schedule is also up on there:



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    #9659
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I never saw that consultation go out - KCC have a habit of "forgetting" the local paper I actually buy (this has been raised in the chamber by a councillor with some weak excuse given back). The scanned ad is from the paper nobody reads this end of the county.

    Would have made a submission on it had they advertised it properly.



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    #9660
    tnegun
    Registered Users Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭tnegun


    It looks like they're putting the bus stop in the cycle lane, similar to what the council did here a real cludge of a design. I guess the 115 will use it too it either stops on the road here, pulls onto the cycle lane, or uses the stop at Railpark. The frequency of weekday and weekend services looks great and I hope a lot of school children currently driven to the campus in Moyglare Hall switch to the bus!



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    #9661
    tnegun
    Registered Users Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭tnegun


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693718#Comment_120693718

    I only knew about it as one of the local councilors posted on their Facebook about it but I completely missed the stop at the Glenroyal and thought the Moyglare stops were ok so didn't make any submission. The local councilors are still insisting the full W6 Maynooth to Tallaght is being launched and that the issues at the bridge must have been resolved. This even after they met with the NTA themselves to discuss transport in Kildare in the last couple of weeks. I can't imagine what was actually talked about but I guess it was soundbites from both sides.



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