Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

Wegians89 · 28-01-2020 3:18pm

Would much prefer to see Dillane and Deegan/Jod in the 19/20 jerseys but can see potential reasons for being cautions with bench options in Farrell first game, a loss would have a terrible reaction.

On bundees selection at 12, think its worth mentioning that he’s joint top on the turnover charts with 7 in the champions cup this season and marmions try against Montpellier demonstrated his attacking capabilities. He mightn’t be the best passer out of all the options but he’s still a cracking player.

VayNiice · 28-01-2020 3:19pm

I'm happy with that starting XV, although I feel for Cooney being left out.

Given how ulster's lineout has been and that Hendo has been calling the irish lineout too for the past year Im really hoping they run smoothly. otherwise we'll have to hear all about "you know who" and his lineout jumping ability being left out.

prawnsambo · 28-01-2020 3:22pm

Some insight to the selections via Murray Kinsella

whatawaster · 28-01-2020 3:28pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

Some insight to the selections via Murray Kinsella

that's understandable from POM. No doubt delighted to have made the 23 against all expectations.

28-01-2020 3:29pm

Not a surprising selection to be honest. Only a couple of players missing out on the 23. The game now is about the 23 not just the 15. It was never going to be a clean slate team first up, hold that for the summer tour onwards. I am disappointed that Cooney hasn’t started but it’s a long way from the Pro14 to playing international, plus he will have his 20-30 mins to get up to the speed. Every international has said the same about the massive jump, so why people on here choose to ignore those with the knowledge is beyond me.

28-01-2020 3:33pm

Decent team, average enough bench. Cooney in for Murray would have been better, and I hope he gets on some time earlier than the 78th minute.

I don't think a single journalist got it right which is fascinating tbh, the team leaked early pretty much every single match with Schmidt.

aloooof · 28-01-2020 3:34pm

Malakai Some Revolution wrote: »

Decent team, average enough bench. Cooney in for Murray would have been better, and I hope he gets on some time earlier than the 78th minute.

I don't think a single journalist got it right which is fascinating tbh, the team leaked early pretty much every single match with Schmidt.

Rob Kearney must've been the mole.

moritz1234 · 28-01-2020 3:43pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

Some insight to the selections via Murray Kinsella

PoM is a leader and a team player, not one bit surprised. Others (and we know who they are up in Leinster) would have the toys outta the pram.

prawnsambo · 28-01-2020 3:45pm

aloooof wrote: »

Rob Kearney must've been the mole.

sydthebeat · 28-01-2020 3:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting comment but I'm not sure I agree with you.

I think Henshaw is the best defender of the bunch, probably best in the air and the best distributor.

McClosky is very strong going forward in terms of winning collisions, has a nice offload but is a bit weaker in defence and his passing is only ok.

Aki probably the most balanced. Destructive carrier similar to McCloskey but good at picking lines and beating defenders. He's a very strong tackler and holds his width and shape in defence. He's not as good a distributor as Henshaw however.

Given the opposition Aki makes plenty of sense. We're going to run over Scotland.

nobody mentioned anyones defense or ball playing ability.

I was questioning the assertion that Farrell picked Aki for his bulk and hard carrying ability.
I made the point that if he wanted a hard runner he could have easily picked bigger guys

all your post above does is agree with my point.

molloyjh · 28-01-2020 3:47pm

moritz1234 wrote: »

PoM is a leader and a team player, not one bit surprised. Others (and we know who they are up in Leinster) would have the toys outta the pram.

Cop on. Just that,only that. Cop on.

Eod100 · 28-01-2020 3:49pm

Mad stats: https://twitter.com/SimonGleave/status/1222168920162893827?s=19

Eod100 · 28-01-2020 3:50pm

aloooof wrote: »

It's versus the RWC team but that overlooks injuries, for Earls and Kearney for example. There's a decent amount of change in the team, imo, so that's a bit of a misleading stat.

Ah ok. Ah yeah stats will only go ap far, context important of course

sydthebeat · 28-01-2020 3:51pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Only 2 players different from starting same game last year. Best and POM, so really 1 different with Best retired. https://twitter.com/rpetty80/status/1222151447485337600?s=19

he could just as easily pointed to the fact that there are 7 changes from the team that started against Scotland in last years 6 Nations

Podge_irl · 28-01-2020 3:51pm

Malakai Some Revolution wrote: »

Decent team, average enough bench. Cooney in for Murray would have been better, and I hope he gets on some time earlier than the 78th minute.

I don't think a single journalist got it right which is fascinating tbh, the team leaked early pretty much every single match with Schmidt.

Easier to guess from watching training come Thursday then on Tuesday.

28-01-2020 4:09pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Mad stats: https://twitter.com/SimonGleave/status/1222168920162893827?s=19

Is it? Murray was arguably the best scrum half in the world for almost 5 years. Easily the best scrum half in ireland for longer.

dub_skav · 28-01-2020 4:46pm

Have to say, I'm outraged #justicefordave

Seriously though, happy enough to see some change. See how the newer fellas get on, Herring with first chance to grab the vacant 2 jersey and I think Doris will kick on and stay put.

AbusesToilets · 28-01-2020 4:49pm

In a surprise to no-one , conservatism continues to reign. I'll be pleasantly shocked if our style of play shows much evolution from the WC. More likely case of doing the same thing, but harder. At least Scotland should be an easy lay up of a game to start out.

aloooof · 28-01-2020 5:05pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

In a surprise to no-one , conservatism continues to reign. I'll be pleasantly shocked if our style of play shows much evolution from the WC. More likely case of doing the same thing, but harder. At least Scotland should be an easy lay up of a game to start out.

There are 5 changes to the starting 15 versus NZ. A full 33% of the team is different. What were you expecting??

I see some are already trying to pass the "conservative Joe" moniker to Andy...

moritz1234 · 28-01-2020 5:07pm

aloooof wrote: »

There are 5 changes to the starting 15 versus NZ. A full 33% of the team is different. What were you expecting??

I see some are already trying to pass the "conservative Joe" moniker to Andy...

And the best performer against the AB, PoM dropped.

odyboody · 28-01-2020 5:14pm

moritz1234 wrote: »

And the best performer against the AB, PoM dropped.

If you were able to say the best performer since the game against AB you might have a point.
Team should be picked on form not reputation and those grounds Murry shouldnt be playing and neither should Sexton.

mun1 · 28-01-2020 5:40pm

A lot of disappointed people on here today.

Good balance of youth and experience, hopefully will run Scotland ragged.
Would liked to have seen Cooney given a start, hopefully he gets a serious amount of minutes and not 10 at when game is all but over.

AbusesToilets · 28-01-2020 5:40pm

aloooof wrote: »

There are 5 changes to the starting 15 versus NZ. A full 33% of the team is different. What were you expecting??

I see some are already trying to pass the "conservative Joe" moniker to Andy...

Players who are not in form, picked ahead of players who were. Contrast that to say France, where a load of experienced heads were dropped in favor of guys tearing it up this season. Plus ça change indeed

arsebiscuits1 · 28-01-2020 5:48pm

moritz1234 wrote: »

PoM is a leader and a team player, not one bit surprised. Others (and we know who they are up in Leinster) would have the toys outta the pram.

How would you know? You don't watch the other provinces :pac::pac:

arsebiscuits1 · 28-01-2020 5:51pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

In a surprise to no-one , conservatism continues to reign. I'll be pleasantly shocked if our style of play shows much evolution from the WC. More likely case of doing the same thing, but harder. At least Scotland should be an easy lay up of a game to start out.

I have to ask.

What did you expect?

Since the RWC, the players and coaches have had barely 2 full weeks together as a squad - with no matches.

Do you think that they will completely change an approach with no time together and no games to actually try it?

Honestly some peoples expectations are baffling.

thebaz · 28-01-2020 5:55pm

it is a conservative selection - we are playing Scotland , who are in dissaray - we are supposedly starting a new era , and the player of the last few months - Cooney is on the bench - and worse still, POM is also on it.

yerrahbah · 28-01-2020 5:58pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

POM can only be dropped from the 23 with his agreement, and not just just a simple decision by the coaching team. He will leave on his own terms, at a time of his choosing, and with a banner of a height that he will specify. Farrel and co would have it in their contracts a prohibition them from dropping him without POM proposing it unless a sequence of very stringent criteria are met which go up to and including approval from the Council of State.

:eek:

arsebiscuits1 · 28-01-2020 6:00pm

thebaz wrote: »

it is a conservative selection - we are playing Scotland , who are in dissaray - we are supposedly starting a new era , and the player of the last few months - Cooney is on the bench - and worse still, POM is also on it.

I fully agree.

Gonzaga just made history beating Blackrock and not a single player from that great side made the matchday 23 for Ireland.

Why did we hire Farrell if he isn't going to pick on (extremely recent) form?!

Sure he has access to data we don't have. And he fully understands how the players might gel as a squad.

And sure he might be unwilling to completely change the spine of the team which is a pretty important factor.

I WANT IMMEDIATE CHANGE DAMMIT

aloooof · 28-01-2020 6:11pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Players who are not in form, picked ahead of players who were. Contrast that to say France, where a load of experienced heads were dropped in favor of guys tearing it up this season. Plus ça change indeed

If "we should have done what France did" is your argument, it would have been a spectacularly weak argument over the last 10 years or so. How about we wait to see how France do before lauding them? And equally, wait to see how Ireland do before criticising Farrell?

But whatever way you slice it, 5 changes to the starting 15 is not conservative. (I honestly think some people wouldn't be happy even if Andy picked the exact 15 they had suggested...)

prawnsambo · 28-01-2020 6:15pm

aloooof wrote: »

If "we should have done what France did" is your argument, it would have been a spectacularly weak argument over the last 10 years or so. How about we wait to see how France do before lauding them? And equally, wait to see how Ireland do before criticising Farrell?

But whatever way you slice it, 5 changes to the starting 15 is not conservative. (I honestly think some people wouldn't be happy even if Andy picked the exact 15 they had suggested...)

That's exactly it. People have their favourites and go completely OTT if they don't get a starting position. It's so facile.

thebaz · 28-01-2020 6:22pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I WANT IMMEDIATE CHANGE DAMMIT

yeah, lets conveniantly forget another World cup failure - again - players should be picked on form.
Same stuff was spat out during WC , just trust coach and everthing would be alright - turned out well.

Shefwedfan · 28-01-2020 6:24pm

moritz1234 wrote: »

And the best performer against the AB, PoM dropped.

Nothing to be shouting about to be honest

Ireland got hammered that day and everyone was awful, POM included....maybe you think he was a little less awful than other players but he was still awful

aloooof · 28-01-2020 6:26pm

thebaz wrote: »

yeah, lets conveniantly forget another World cup failure - again - players should be picked on form.
Same stuff was spat during WC , just trust coach and everthing would be alright - turned out well.

Andy Farrell, "conveniently forgetting the World Cup failure " by.... making 5 changes to the starting 15. Hmmmm.

Seriously, no professional team in the world, in any sport, picks solely on form.

prawnsambo · 28-01-2020 6:27pm

thebaz wrote: »

yeah, lets conveniantly forget another World cup failure - again - players should be picked on form.
Same stuff was spat out during WC , just trust coach and everthing would be alright - turned out well.

Well unless you get the coaching gig, you're just another hurler on the ditch with just about the same kind of weight to your opinion. What people say here has absolutely no bearing on how the team play. And calling out the selections as if they're the wining or losing of games is about as facile as it gets.

thebaz · 28-01-2020 6:28pm

aloooof wrote: »

Seriously, no professional team in the world, in any sport, picks solely on form.

Seriously !!!

Shefwedfan · 28-01-2020 6:28pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Players who are not in form, picked ahead of players who were. Contrast that to say France, where a load of experienced heads were dropped in favor of guys tearing it up this season. Plus ça change indeed

France dropped a load of form players because of age....I wouldn’t be putting them up in lights

prawnsambo · 28-01-2020 6:28pm

Meanwhile in the real world, Mike Catt running a training session with an AFL ball for some reason.

prawnsambo · 28-01-2020 6:30pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

France dropped a load of form players because of age....I wouldn’t be putting them up in lights

I'd have more fear of France being coached by Shaun Edwards than whatever number of young fellas that have been called up. Though being France, that may just end up being more confused.

prawnsambo · 28-01-2020 6:52pm

Opinions. Everyone has one.

Granny15 · 28-01-2020 6:58pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

In a surprise to no-one , conservatism continues to reign. I'll be pleasantly shocked if our style of play shows much evolution from the WC. More likely case of doing the same thing, but harder. At least Scotland should be an easy lay up of a game to start out.

One things for sure if Murray goes back into box kicking mode and giving away possession I hope Farrell hooks him. I’m sure there is a game plan but I think the players are given freedom to operate inside that plan and sometimes take decisions that may not be in the best interest of the teams attacking position.

bilston · 28-01-2020 7:18pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

I'd have more fear of France being coached by Shaun Edwards than whatever number of young fellas that have been called up. Though being France, that may just end up being more confused.

I fancy France for the title this year. But the key game is Le Crunch, if they win that they will have a great chance.

bilston · 28-01-2020 7:20pm

Granny15 wrote: »

One things for sure if Murray goes back into box kicking mode and giving away possession I hope Farrell hooks him. I’m sure there is a game plan but I think the players are given freedom to operate inside that plan and sometimes take decisions that may not be in the best interest of the teams attacking position.

There's nothing wrong with a good box kicking strategy. I am more concerned about how slow the ball is sometimes when he has been playing 9 for Munster this season. He needs to up the tempo a bit. When he does he remains our best 9.

Yeah_Right · 28-01-2020 7:25pm

moritz1234 wrote: »

And the best performer against the AB, PoM dropped.

You're using the tallest dwarf argument. It's not a good technique.

And for the record, I don't think he was the best performer against the ABs. What did he do that was so good?

Bridge93 · 28-01-2020 7:28pm

Apart from cooney starting and maybe Pom dropping out totally, what else did people expect? Addison if not injured can feel aggrieved but big bad joe picked him too so that’s hardly anything new age

AbusesToilets · 28-01-2020 7:28pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

You're using the tallest dwarf argument. It's not a good technique.

And for the record, I don't think he was the best performer against the ABs. What did he do that was so good?

Probably referring to the Croker match

budhabob · 28-01-2020 7:29pm

Granny15 wrote: »

One things for sure if Murray goes back into box kicking mode and giving away possession I hope Farrell hooks him. I’m sure there is a game plan but I think the players are given freedom to operate inside that plan and sometimes take decisions that may not be in the best interest of the teams attacking position.

Box kicks are a team strategy. Blame the coach not the player.

28-01-2020 7:31pm

bilston wrote: »

I fancy France for the title this year. But the key game is Le Crunch, if they win that they will have a great chance.

They have the talent but you can't predict anything with France.

The ingredients seem to be coming together but it's not the first time. A squad breaking scandal is never far away.

prawnsambo · 28-01-2020 7:33pm

bilston wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with a good box kicking strategy. I am more concerned about how slow the ball is sometimes when he has been playing 9 for Munster this season. He needs to up the tempo a bit. When he does he remains our best 9.

He's certainly capable of it. Just seldom seems capable of maintaining that tempo for long periods.

reg114 · 28-01-2020 7:41pm

bilston wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with a good box kicking strategy. I am more concerned about how slow the ball is sometimes when he has been playing 9 for Munster this season. He needs to up the tempo a bit. When he does he remains our best 9.

The weather forecast for the match is windy with a possibility of rain which isnt conducive to a box kicking kind of game. Id have preferred to have seen Cooney in for Murray, the latter has been getting by on reputation for over a year in the green jersey.

sydthebeat · 28-01-2020 7:50pm

reg114 wrote: »

The weather forecast for the match is windy with a possibility of rain which isnt conducive to a box kicking kind of game.

?????????

If anything, a forecast like that will lead to MORE box kicking

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