FE1 Exam Thread (Read 1st post!) NOTE: YOU MAY SWAP EXAM GRIDS

Lovestolisten · 30-10-2020 5:22pm

Sorry to harp on about this but has everyone received their log in's from Betterexaminations?

I have nothing, No link for the practice yesterday or two weeks ago, no username or password to log in next week, no email from anyone about anything except to say I am registered.

This will be my last three so I'll crack up of I can't get them done

nmurphy1441 · 30-10-2020 5:34pm

Lovestolisten wrote: »

Sorry to harp on about this but has everyone received their log in's from Betterexaminations?

I have nothing, No link for the practice yesterday or two weeks ago, no username or password to log in next week, no email from anyone about anything except to say I am registered.

This will be my last three so I'll crack up of I can't get them done

Try...

lawsocietyie.betterexaminations.com

Your username is the email you use for correspondence with the Law Society

It’ll ask you to set a password then!

Lawlaw12 · 30-10-2020 5:53pm

orlaghs wrote: »

Thank you for this!
Turns out the OPW is closed until Dec 1st - if anyone has any advice for me it would be much appreciated. Clear issue with people printing their own that include notes etc, so very unsure about what to do. Extremely frustrating not being able to get an answer/clear instructions from LS.

Someone posted in the FB group today that they ordered from OPW 2 days ago and were told that they are still taking orders for FE1 candidates, and someone else emailed on Tuesday (publications@opw.ie) and the OPW rang them on Wednesday and took their order.

What subjects are you doing this sitting? If you can't get through to opw someone might have the legislation you need, but definitely send them an email this evening and see if they get back to you

ellachapman96 · 30-10-2020 6:10pm

Does anyone know if retention of title clauses is a must know? Or will corporate borrowings be ok without it?

RaffRiff01 · 30-10-2020 6:13pm

orlaghs wrote: »

Thank you for this!
Turns out the OPW is closed until Dec 1st - if anyone has any advice for me it would be much appreciated. Clear issue with people printing their own that include notes etc, so very unsure about what to do. Extremely frustrating not being able to get an answer/clear instructions from LS.

I got mine from OPW last week..they're still open but they only take orders by phone not online anymore. on top of that, they are only open Tues-Thurs @ 10am - 12pm.. Idk if this is helpful, but just thought everyone should know if they havent yet

Iso_123 · 30-10-2020 6:22pm

For property law are people covering adverse possession on leasehold land too or is this a waste of time?

Hazel774 · 30-10-2020 6:23pm

Does anyone know what Q 8 of the March 2020 paper was asking about for constitutional?

QUESTION EIGHT
Rachel suffered a serious injury as a result of negligence of a driver who crashed into her parents’ car. The medical advice is that she will suffer long-term consequences and will require expensive medical care for at least 40 years. It is unclear how much these costs may be but they have been loosely estimated at €500,000 per annum (or €20m over 40 years).
The driver was insured so that there are, in principle, funds available to discharge these costs.
Rachel has initiated a claim in negligence before the courts. Before her case is heard, the Oireachtas enacts the Capping of Insurance Costs Acts 2020.
Section 1 of the Act provides that it applies “to all actions currently in being and subsequently initiated before the courts”.
Section 4 of the Act imposes a maximum cap on damages in a claim involving personal injuries of €10m.
Rachel’s guardian has asked you for the legal advice as to whether there are grounds of Irish constitutional law upon which she might challenge the Act, Advise her.

baloo21 · 30-10-2020 6:29pm

Hazel774 wrote: »

Does anyone know what Q 8 of the March 2020 paper was asking about for constitutional?

I'd say property rights and SOP

Aoibhin511 · 30-10-2020 6:34pm

Iso_123 wrote: »

For property law are people covering adverse possession on leasehold land too or is this a waste of time?

a short paragraph on it might be useful for an essay of reforms given the LRC comments

Wonderstruck · 30-10-2020 6:35pm

Iso_123 wrote: »

For property law are people covering adverse possession on leasehold land too or is this a waste of time?

If you know encroachment you'll be better set on this area of law than most qualified solicitors hahhaha

kayleee123 · 30-10-2020 6:43pm

Hazel774 wrote: »

Does anyone know what Q 8 of the March 2020 paper was asking about for constitutional?

I'd definitely look at Buckley v AG, State (O) v O'Brien and State (McEldowney) v Kelleher for SOP caselaw on this q I have notes on these if you need them just pm me

nicolesd · 30-10-2020 7:14pm

for a problem on duty of care in tort am i right in saying you'd talk about the test set out by Glencar which reitered the test set out by Caparo and then go through forseeability (case Breslin v MIBI) then Proximity (shrinkwin , Fay case) policy factors and then fair just and reasonableness to establish if a duty of care exists or am i missing anything? or would that all be too much is theres a couple of issues ?

hullaballoo · 30-10-2020 7:24pm

Hazel774 wrote: »

Does anyone know what Q 8 of the March 2020 paper was asking about for constitutional?

Separation of powers, access to justice, equality, bodily integrity off the top of my head. I'll have a think about it and see are there any more.

Cast a wide net in Constitutional and Tort - these questions feature a lot of topics.

Someone sent me their Tort paper from March with their answers for feedback and I would say there wasn't a problem question with fewer than 4 torts.

With at least that number of constitutional issues to discuss in ~30 minutes, you don't have much space for discussing the history of the concepts as people tend to do - just write down the advice you'd give Rachael.

She can challenge the Act on the basis of incompatibility with the constitution on the following grounds...1, 2, 3, 4... Give the most pertinent one the most amount of time, the least to the less applicable one.

The lion's share of the points go to identifying the issues in a problem question then getting your advice right. Doesn't have to be Senior Counsel level of advice but it needs to make sense in line with the law you base it on. Don't write out passages of legislation or cases. Make sure you are concise given what you've to deal with in the time.

orlaghs · 30-10-2020 7:25pm

Lawlaw12 wrote: »

Someone posted in the FB group today that they ordered from OPW 2 days ago and were told that they are still taking orders for FE1 candidates, and someone else emailed on Tuesday (publications@opw.ie) and the OPW rang them on Wednesday and took their order.

What subjects are you doing this sitting? If you can't get through to opw someone might have the legislation you need, but definitely send them an email this evening and see if they get back to you

Thank you! I emailed them today and got an automated response saying they closed yesterday in line with restrictions. It had completely slipped my mind until this morning hence why I'm so last minute. Might call them to double-check now that I know they've been taking orders this week!

I'm doing property and contract so ideally I would have all four of these:
- Succession act 1965
- LCLRA 2009
- Sale of Goods Act 1893
- Sale of Goods and Supply of Services 1980

I did contact someone selling them on adverts.ie but I have yet to receive a response.

Fe123 · 30-10-2020 8:19pm

baloo21 wrote: »

I'd say property rights and SOP

How do property rights play into it? Never would have thought that despite studying the chapter

Hazel774 · 30-10-2020 8:25pm

baloo21 wrote: »

I'd say property rights and SOP

kayleee123 wrote: »

I'd definitely look at Buckley v AG, State (O) v O'Brien and State (McEldowney) v Kelleher for SOP caselaw on this q I have notes on these if you need them just pm me

hullaballoo wrote: »

Separation of powers, access to justice, equality, bodily integrity off the top of my head. I'll have a think about it and see are there any more.

Thanks so much!

bobbyness · 30-10-2020 8:38pm

Anyone got a few recent case decisions for property law? Seems to be fairly antiquated

awsah · 30-10-2020 9:55pm

Hi, would anyone have suggestions on what I could reasonably cut from this list for tort (perhaps something that was asked in march/aug as not on my grid) or perhaps I would need to keep them all...
-DOC/SOC
-Causation
- professional negligence
- concurrent wrongdoer
- products liability
- vicarious liability
- occupiers liability
- negligent misstatement
- affirmative duties
- negligent care of children
- liability for animals
- defamation
- nervous shock
- passing off
- trespass to the person
- Nuisance

law_struggles · 30-10-2020 11:11pm

anybody got a tort sample answer with a good ILAC structure, please?

Hazel774 · 30-10-2020 11:30pm

awsah wrote: »

Hi, would anyone have suggestions on what I could reasonably cut from this list for tort (perhaps something that was asked in march/aug as not on my grid) or perhaps I would need to keep them all...
-DOC/SOC
-Causation
- professional negligence
- concurrent wrongdoer
- products liability
- vicarious liability
- occupiers liability
- negligent misstatement
- affirmative duties
- negligent care of children
- liability for animals
- defamation
- nervous shock
- passing off
- trespass to the person
- Nuisance

I'm not doing tort this sitting, so I'm not 100%, but maybe:
Children - just have 1-2 cases
Concurrent wrongdoers - just know the basic rules
Animals - just the basic rules (or leave it out)

Tort in August (physical sitting) was:
Res Ipsa (essay)
Causation/Trespass/ Nuisance/RvF/ Fire PQ
Trespass to the person (Intentional Infliction of Emotional harm)
Passing Off
Defamation
Liability for Defective Products
PQ involving Negligence (DOC/ SOC/ Causation/ Remoteness) and Liability for children
Limitation Periods (essay)

awsah · 30-10-2020 11:44pm

Hazel774 wrote: »

I'm not doing tort this sitting, so I'm not 100%, but maybe:
Children - just have 1-2 cases
Concurrent wrongdoers - just know the basic rules
Animals - just the basic rules (or leave it out)

Tort in August (physical sitting) was:
Res Ipsa (essay)
Causation/Trespass/ Nuisance/RvF/ Fire PQ
Trespass to the person (Intentional Infliction of Emotional harm)
Passing Off
Defamation
Liability for Defective Products
PQ involving Negligence (DOC/ SOC/ Causation/ Remoteness) and Liability for children
Limitation Periods (essay)

Thank you so much for that.I might leave out passing off and trespass to the person then!

awsah · 30-10-2020 11:46pm

law_struggles wrote: »

anybody got a tort sample answer with a good ILAC structure, please?

I think I have some done up (just ones I did myself) I can email them to you 2mro, I'm not opening my laptop tonight:)

jjjjjop · 31-10-2020 12:00am

Does any kind soul have what came up in the march 2020 paper for equity please? And does anyone have any predictions for equity... only starting study now so need to cut out stuff!!

CoconutHeadMia · 31-10-2020 9:55am

Has anybody heard anything about showing our desk/room before we start?

Creol1 · 31-10-2020 10:44am

Fe123 wrote: »

How do property rights play into it? Never would have thought that despite studying the chapter

In Re Article 26 and the Health (Amendment)(No 2) Bill 2004 the proposed legislation was held by the Supreme Court to be unconstitutional as preventing potential plaintiffs from suing to recover money was an unjust attack on property rights.

baloo21 · 31-10-2020 10:59am

Fe123 wrote: »

How do property rights play into it? Never would have thought that despite studying the chapter

Creol1 wrote: »

In Re Article 26 and the Health (Amendment)(No 2) Bill 2004 the proposed legislation was held by the Supreme Court to be unconstitutional as preventing potential plaintiffs from suing to recover money was an unjust attack on property rights.

Yes, as above. Also just a general tip that any time a question involves someone's money it's useful to look at property rights. Is it a proportionate restriction? Might even come in as a very small part of a problem q.

FE1Pleb · 31-10-2020 11:21am

For criminal what procedural questions came up in March? and what are people focussing on this time round?
The syllabus is absolutely massive - starting to panic. Thanks

baloo21 · 31-10-2020 11:27am

FE1Pleb wrote: »

For criminal what procedural questions came up in March? and what are people focussing on this time round?
The syllabus is absolutely massive - starting to panic. Thanks

Pres. of innocence
Arrest
Bail
Court jurisdiction

FE1Pleb · 31-10-2020 11:30am

baloo21 wrote: »

Pres. of innocence
Arrest
Bail
Court jurisdiction

Thanks a million.
That's what you're focussing on or what came up?

baloo21 · 31-10-2020 11:51am

FE1Pleb wrote: »

Thanks a million.
That's what you're focussing on or what came up?

Sorry, should have specified! That came up last round. I have the paper if you want to dm me your email.

DFMCD190384 · 31-10-2020 12:20pm

jjjjjop wrote: »

Does any kind soul have what came up in the march 2020 paper for equity please? And does anyone have any predictions for equity... only starting study now so need to cut out stuff!!

I have a photo of the paper that I can send you.

I'd love to know what people are covering for Equity also

APower79 · 31-10-2020 12:28pm

FE1Pleb wrote: »

For criminal what procedural questions came up in March? and what are people focussing on this time round?
The syllabus is absolutely massive - starting to panic. Thanks

I’m panicking too. Silly question and shouldn’t be in this position but is there anything that could be left out?

Fe1new4 · 31-10-2020 12:37pm

Anyone have any tips on what could be cut from due process in constitutional? Don’t want to leave it out completely but it’s huge!

Dropin · 31-10-2020 12:47pm

Hey, if anyone doing EU this sitting or any EU enthusiasts in general wouldn't mind providing a quick steer it would be much appreciated.

The following is what I am covering and my question basically is; do I have enough done to leave out Free Movement of workers/EU Citizenship? I understand its a personal preference kinda question but if anyone feels that its a no go then I would be eternally grateful to hear.

Covered:
Institutions (general essay)
Sources of EU Law
Direct Effect/State Liability
Judicial Review
Free movement of Goods
Competition Law

Thanks in advance!

CoconutHeadMia · 31-10-2020 1:36pm

Criminal
Between the significance of a wrongdoing being a crime, the characteristics of a crime and the classification of a crime, is there anything that could be left out?

Lawlaw12 · 31-10-2020 1:38pm

Dropin wrote: »

Hey, if anyone doing EU this sitting or any EU enthusiasts in general wouldn't mind providing a quick steer it would be much appreciated.

The following is what I am covering and my question basically is; do I have enough done to leave out Free Movement of workers/EU Citizenship? I understand its a personal preference kinda question but if anyone feels that its a no go then I would be eternally grateful to hear.

Covered:
Institutions (general essay)
Sources of EU Law
Direct Effect/State Liability
Judicial Review
Free movement of Goods
Competition Law

Thanks in advance!

I did it in August and I left out workers/ citizenship.
As far as I can remember I did the exact same as what you have there, but I also added general principles.
That's what I remember off the top of my head, but August feels like a lifetime ago now so maybe someone else can weigh in too

Aoibhin511 · 31-10-2020 1:40pm

Dropin wrote: »

Hey, if anyone doing EU this sitting or any EU enthusiasts in general wouldn't mind providing a quick steer it would be much appreciated.

The following is what I am covering and my question basically is; do I have enough done to leave out Free Movement of workers/EU Citizenship? I understand its a personal preference kinda question but if anyone feels that its a no go then I would be eternally grateful to hear.

Covered:
Institutions (general essay)
Sources of EU Law
Direct Effect/State Liability
Judicial Review
Free movement of Goods
Competition Law

Thanks in advance!

I think the 50/50 topics, like workers and citizenship are going to be hard to be really hard to predict this time since this is the 4th paper the examiner will have set this year. Sources really isn't that popular with this examiner.
You most likely have 4 questions there in this 6, but you might struggle to get a 5th if an essay on institutions of JR throws a curveball.

Jeremiah25 · 31-10-2020 1:41pm

What are we covering for constitutional my good people?

Hazel774 · 31-10-2020 2:17pm

Aoibhin511 wrote: »

I think the 50/50 topics, like workers and citizenship are going to be hard to be really hard to predict this time since this is the 4th paper the examiner will have set this year. Sources really isn't that popular with this examiner.
You most likely have 4 questions there in this 6, but you might struggle to get a 5th if an essay on institutions of JR throws a curveball.

I did a prep course and the lecturer pointed out that for JR the Q is always the same, it's always on the difficulty with direct and individual concern (and then you should also discuss the change made by Lisbon Treaty).
For an essay it's usually a quote from UPA, but it's always asking the same thing
And then it's only been a PQ 2 or 3 times, but it was the same issue - so you could still use your prepared answer on direct & individual concern

31-10-2020 3:28pm

Jesus Christ - my WiFi went yesterday and virgin media are telling me they can’t get a technician out until Wednesday. When I am due to sit company. I don’t know what the f* to do now?!? Anyone able to tell me if I can bring a case against them?! Surely they owe me a duty of care!

FE1Pleb · 31-10-2020 3:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus Christ - my WiFi went yesterday and virgin media are telling me they can’t get a technician out until Wednesday. When I am due to sit company. I don’t know what the f* to do now?!? Anyone able to tell me if I can bring a case against them?! Surely they owe me a duty of care!

That's a nightmare.
Hotspot from your phone if you can. It worked fine for me for the mock.

Hazel774 · 31-10-2020 3:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus Christ - my WiFi went yesterday and virgin media are telling me they can’t get a technician out until Wednesday. When I am due to sit company. I don’t know what the f* to do now?!? Anyone able to tell me if I can bring a case against them?! Surely they owe me a duty of care!

That's so stressful!! I'd say try your hotspot on your phone for a few hours today and see if it works for you
Is it back working now or is it completely gone until Wednesday? You might want to consider if there's any one you know who would let you use a quiet room in their house on Wednesday for a few hours if it comes to that

Edit: It could also just be the weather today, it's very stormy out so maybe when that clears up your wifi will be okay

Dliodoir2021 · 31-10-2020 4:14pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jesus Christ - my WiFi went yesterday and virgin media are telling me they can’t get a technician out until Wednesday. When I am due to sit company. I don’t know what the f* to do now?!? Anyone able to tell me if I can bring a case against them?! Surely they owe me a duty of care!

If there was a power outage even for under a minute it can cause your modem not to work (even if the light comes on). I was lucky to have a spare modem....maybe you could borrow a neighbour’s to check? Might have to be virgin as well.

Your phone bill could be crazy using your phone as a hotspot between now and then so could be cheaper to get one of those mobile broadband things. I think 3 is the cheapest but don’t know about signal.

Also find out how the phone signal for whichever network you choose works (Eg 3 in my area requires electricity and broadband to the aerial on the mountain. Vodafone usually works without either).

If you have someone in your family or a friend who can deal with it and take the stress away from you all the better too! Feel so sorry for you

IgoPAP · 31-10-2020 4:48pm

Will this be enough for Land Law or should I add anything else?

- Co ownership
- Succession
- Adverse Possession
- Easements
- Landlord and Tenant
- Family Property
- Mortgages
- Finding
- Licenses and Right of Residence

BugsySiegel · 31-10-2020 6:09pm

IgoPAP wrote: »

Will this be enough for Land Law or should I add anything else?

- Co ownership
- Succession
- Adverse Possession
- Easements
- Landlord and Tenant
- Family Property
- Mortgages
- Finding
- Licenses and Right of Residence

Thats more than enough particularly if you have covered them thoroughly. There isn't one past paper where you wouldnt have 5 questions with those topics covered.

nicolesd · 31-10-2020 6:10pm

can anyone tell me what i would need to know for the bare minimum for causation and remoteness of damage in tort?

ihatethesea · 31-10-2020 6:28pm

I feel like i'm wasting my time learning the wildcards in Tort. Out of these which would people leave out:

Nervous Shock
Liability for Animals
Pure Economic Loss
Negligent Misstatement

legallywrecked · 31-10-2020 6:33pm

Hi all, hope everyone is getting on ok with the study this weekend - even more nerve wracking than it usually is with the first online sitting looming!

Sorry if this is being asked already but I haven't looked at the better examinations page since the first mock and just checked and noticed none of the 3 exams I'm due to sit are there and it says I have nothing upcoming... just wondering if this is an error on mine or if they aren't showing for anyone yet?

Aoibhin511 · 31-10-2020 6:35pm

legallywrecked wrote: »

Hi all, hope everyone is getting on ok with the study this weekend - even more nerve wracking than it usually is with the first online sitting looming!

Sorry if this is being asked already but I haven't looked at the better examinations page since the first mock and just checked and noticed none of the 3 exams I'm due to sit are there and it says I have nothing upcoming... just wondering if this is an error on mine or if they aren't showing for anyone yet?

Yeah there's none on mine either, I reckon they'll take their usual 6pm Monday approach, so I'm not going to worry yet

Hamerzan Sickles · 31-10-2020 6:49pm

ihatethesea wrote: »

I feel like i'm wasting my time learning the wildcards in Tort. Out of these which would people leave out:

Nervous Shock
Liability for Animals
Pure Economic Loss
Negligent Misstatement

Liability for animals is the obvious one to leave out.

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