The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

Sheep breeder · 13-08-2019 12:29am

A lot of Dublin’s success at the moment is down to Jim Gavin and his back room team how they get the most out of the players, Brian Cody has done this with Kilkenny for so long now. Both have players serving apprenticeship to the team and know how to wait their turn. The way the game is played is simple and this thing about sweepers etc is all in the head and at the end of the day the team that scores the most win and to do that you need scoring forwards. How many teams haven’t got scoring forwards.
The gaa at grass roots drive the wheel in every club with good coaching and every kid getting game time. The players that make county teams will tell you it was the underage coaching that made them.
The biggest thing holding clubs and counties back is the management structures, with too many in it for themselves and not the good of team. How many clubs have the chairman’s Jonny having to be on the senior team and chairman’s club players first pick on the county team. Look at that with Mayo and one club dictating who is in the goal.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 12:32am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Ah the old 15 against 15 argument.
And the get your house in order line.

Its like Man City telling Swindon Town to get their house in order, 11 v 11 and so on.

Laughable.

Can you answer ANY of the questions put to you questioning your assertions about Dublin?

How was CP handed to us?

Why isn't the financial mismanagement in other counties not important to you if as you claim funding for Dublin creates an uneven playing field? Surely that cash would be better spent on Longford and Waterford and they might do something sometime...

Strumms · 13-08-2019 12:32am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Dublin were bailed out far more. A free stadium handed to them worth at least 300 million to play home games at.
And 13 times the gdf of Cork.

What Cork received was small fry in comparison and a pittance in gdf, crumbs from the GAAs table after Dublin had been well looked after.

The thread is about Dublin by the way.

A stadium, built to facilitate football and hurling, not Dublin or indeed any county

. The fact that when Dublin play there is a suitably built facility to facilitate both their large enthusiastic and loyal fan base and the same of whichever county will be providing the opposition is of great credit to the GAA.

ClanofLams · 13-08-2019 12:33am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And the second you do that you lose EVERY Dublin supporter.

Sure while you're splitting us, amalgamate all the Ulster counties for hurling and Sligo and Leitrim should be one team as well. Not to mention Longford and Westmeath. Why not.

Why don't we investigate why the likes of Louth, Wicklow, Kildare etc haven't done much in nearly a century or why Cork and Galway are disgracefully underachieving given their resources?

They're the true scandals of the GAA.

Galway has a population of 250k, it’s very difficult to be a dual county of that base. We do have the same advantages Dublin and Cork have, no reason not to be able to study and work here.

Galway senior footballers have certainly under achieved in the last decade, strangely there hasn’t been much of an issue with juvenile success, two u21s in that time but it hasn’t translated at senior level, last year aside.

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 12:33am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

A lot of Dublin’s success at the moment is down to Jim Gavin and his back room team how they get the most out of the players, Brian Cody has done this with Kilkenny for so long now. Both have players serving apprenticeship to the team and know how to wait their turn. The way the game is played is simple and this thing about sweepers etc is all in the head and at the end of the day the team that scores the most win and to do that you need scoring forwards. How many teams haven’t got scoring forwards.
The gaa at grass roots drive the wheel in every club with good coaching and every kid getting game time. The players that make county teams will tell you it was the underage coaching that made them.
The biggest thing holding clubs and counties back is the management structures, with too many in it for themselves and not the good of team. How many clubs have the chairman’s Jonny having to be on the senior team and chairman’s club players first pick on the county team. Look at that with Mayo and one club dictating who is in the goal.

And the success of their u21s?
Ladies?
Hurlers?
Clubs?

Also down to Jim Gavin?

Give us a break. No-one is buying the "its all down to Jim Gavin" line anymore. Not when its across all sectors of Dublin GAA including those he has nothing to do with.

Sheep breeder · 13-08-2019 12:34am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Hang on now a minute Dublin had a great collection of hurlers only six years ago when Dalo was in charge - a lensiter tile a league and an AI semi final.
Once that team broke up the core was not replaced.

How can you say finances cause Dublin's success in football then conveniently say it because the hurlers have a low base!?
They arguably should have beaten Cork in 2013 to get to the AI final. (Dwyer got sent off)
By your logic all the money rolling in should have propelled them to the next level?
Did that Cork fella spend it wrong when he was managing the Dublin hurlers after Dalo?

Cuala is an an anomaly of a hurling club in Dublin - Dalkey - they are an oasis surrounded by GAA wasteland.
Dalkey population of just over 8k

Mick Holden was an exception to the rule in the 70's as well.

Yes and Cuala won a championship in early 2000 with 3/4 Wicklow players to strengthen the team and have done a lot of work to get to where they are now and all down to good structures and coaching.

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 12:34am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

A lot of Dublin’s success at the moment is down to Jim Gavin and his back room team how they get the most out of the players, Brian Cody has done this with Kilkenny for so long now. Both have players serving apprenticeship to the team and know how to wait their turn. The way the game is played is simple and this thing about sweepers etc is all in the head and at the end of the day the team that scores the most win and to do that you need scoring forwards. How many teams haven’t got scoring forwards.
The gaa at grass roots drive the wheel in every club with good coaching and every kid getting game time. The players that make county teams will tell you it was the underage coaching that made them.
The biggest thing holding clubs and counties back is the management structures, with too many in it for themselves and not the good of team. How many clubs have the chairman’s Jonny having to be on the senior team and chairman’s club players first pick on the county team. Look at that with Mayo and one club dictating who is in the goal.

I'm sorry but MH and his staff are far better. Dublin have top tier players in every position.

Put Jim in charge of New York and see how he'd do.

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 12:35am

Strumms wrote: »

A stadium, built to facilitate football and hurling, not Dublin or indeed any county . The fact that when Dublin play there is a suitably built facility to facilitate both their large enthusiastic and loyal fan base and the same of whichever county will be providing the opposition is of great credit to the GAA.

The point is that Dublin did not have to fund a huge stadium to play their home games at. This is a massive advantage to any county and means they can use the money saved elsewhere.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 12:36am

Strabanimal wrote: »

I'm sorry but MH and his staff are far better. Dublin have top tier players in every position.

Put Jim in charge of New York and see how he'd do.

GO home lad. Seriously. That is just a ridiculous assertion and nothing to do with anything.

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 12:36am

Strabanimal wrote: »

I'm sorry but MH and his staff are far better. Dublin have top tier players in every position.

Put Jim in charge of New York and see how he'd do.

That's it in a nutshell.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 12:38am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The point is that Dublin did not have to fund a huge stadium to play their home games at. This is a massive advantage to any county and means they can use the money saved elsewhere.

How was the stadium funded so?

And is that NOW the point? You're jumping allover the place and leaving so many questions unanswered and changing the focus of your points that it's hard to keep up with you.

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More new talking point from dear Frankie boy:

Strabanimal wrote: »

I'm sorry but MH and his staff are far better. Dublin have top tier players in every position.

Put Jim in charge of New York and see how he'd do.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

That's it in a nutshell.

So the issue now is that JG is not a good coach and that Dublin could be managed by any old donkey?

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 12:38am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

GO home lad. Seriously. That is just a ridiculous level of bitterdom.

I was wondering when the bitterness charge would be introduced on this thread.

You've no real interest in discussing the topic, just throwing accusations of bitterness out there. Very predictable I have to say.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 12:38am

ClanofLams wrote: »

I have never said finances are the sole reason for the success of Dublin football.

It’s simple, Dublin footballers were starting off a base where they were regular Leinster champions and all Ireland contenders or not far off it. Dublin hurlers were starting off a base where they were getting beaten by fifteen by Offaly and knocked out by Westmeath.

You deliberately missed the point the Dublin hurlers moved on from being beaten by Offally and Westmeath and won a minor - leinster - league and got to an AI SF,

By your logic they should have continued in that upward curve with all thier finances etc

It wouldn't have something to do with the players or management would it?

In the 90's Dublin threw away loads of all-ireland's through sheer mismanagement, cliques in the dressing room, no real togetherness. Newcomers were not welcomed in as the old guard aged.

To paraphrase Kieth Barr - he used to say to the young fellas coming in the door - 'another fella who will be gone soon'

The team dynamic, players and management are the most important thing.
Read John O'Leary's book in 96 he was very anti Mickey Whelan.
But has since said that the team was not ready for change.
The players were there but they f**ked up.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 12:40am

Strabanimal wrote: »

I'm sorry but MH and his staff are far better. Dublin have top tier players in every position.

Put Jim in charge of New York and see how he'd do.

Give him five years and he would win Connacht

(and no I am not taking the piss)

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 12:41am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

GO home lad. Seriously. That is just a ridiculous level of bitterdom.

It's all opinion at the end of the day. I think the Dubs just have better players.

STB. · 13-08-2019 12:41am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Ah the old 15 against 15 argument.
And the get your house in order line.

Its like Man City telling Swindon Town to get their house in order, 11 v 11 and so on.

Laughable.

You also don't seem to understand what financial doping means or the impact it has on fair competition.

To be Frank Frank, stop making excuses. Financial doping as you called it is NOTHING to do with this current squad.

Laughable ? Just because your beloved Mayo were not up to the task! Perhaps your solution is closer to home. Perhaps ye are simply not good enough. No need to be a green eyed monster about it though. Grasping for reasons.

And have a bit of manners please. The Dubs are dominant right now because they are that good. We are not going to apologise for it.

RoyalCelt · 13-08-2019 12:41am

Mokuba wrote: »

I notice you ignored the question about Dublin receiving 13 times the funding that Cork did, despite having 2.5 times the population. And in 2015 they had just over 5000 more registered players. But 13 times the funding. Seems a little unfair. :rolleyes:

All Dublin fans can do is bury their heads in the sand and stick their fingers in their ears. How anybody could gain satisfaction from winning a competition like this is beyond me.

It is rotten to the core. Dublin are financially doped up to their eyeballs. No other county has a hope. It'll take decades for the rest to catch up to Dublin, given their other advantages such as sponsorship, population and getting to play almost every game at home. By that point I doubt anyone will care.

I've yet to see a Dublin fan admit this was unfair treatment.

Donnielighto wrote: »

The title of the table will do nothing for you if you are trying to convince fans that are against you.

If Dublin fans get distracted by that title and therefore decide to ignore the facts laid aid out there is no helping them. It's almost as if they're looking for an excuse to focus on something else.

Kop On wrote: »

Maybe because Croke Park has been busy bailing the Cork County Board out of a €100 Million bog hole that is the new Pairc Ui Chaoimh.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/pairc-ui-chaoimh-revamp-cost-spirals-over-100m-892010.html

Imagine the mickey fits if Dublin were to try build the equivalent (for 3 or 4 times the cost given location) and got bailed out by Croke Park for it.

I couldn't imagine it. Because Dublin would never build a stadium fit for a county with 1.5M people. They'll just use Croker which is another advantage handed to them on a plate. Pity cork didn't have the same luxery.

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 12:42am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Give him five years and he would win Connacht

(and no I am not taking the piss)

Yeah MH could win any province but he prefers the back door.

What do you think about JG as manager of NY?

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 12:43am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I was wondering when the bitterness charge would be introduced on this thread.

You've no real interest in discussing the topic, just throwing accusations of bitterness out there. Very predictable I have to say.

Ah the old switcheroo.

I see what you did there.

You're getting in knots now.

I've engaged ever so pleasantly on this topic with you and asked you to back up so many of your assertions and you have failed to return the engagement, instead just making stakle cliched posts that could be made by any old codger.

And of course I criticise one poster's clear bitter agenda since his county managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yesterday and it is that post with which you engage.

If you'd prefer I can collate all my queries again to help you out?

Bonniedog · 13-08-2019 12:43am

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Don't forget that in the 00's you'd struggle to beat the likes of meath. .

I've been involved in Dublin hurling for nearly 50 years.

Have Meath ever beaten Dublin in a senior match during that time? Maybe when we were at our really worst, but perhaps have erased it from memory.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 12:45am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

A lot of Dublin’s success at the moment is down to Jim Gavin and his back room team how they get the most out of the players, Brian Cody has done this with Kilkenny for so long now. Both have players serving apprenticeship to the team and know how to wait their turn. The way the game is played is simple and this thing about sweepers etc is all in the head and at the end of the day the team that scores the most win and to do that you need scoring forwards. How many teams haven’t got scoring forwards.
The gaa at grass roots drive the wheel in every club with good coaching and every kid getting game time. The players that make county teams will tell you it was the underage coaching that made them.
The biggest thing holding clubs and counties back is the management structures, with too many in it for themselves and not the good of team. How many clubs have the chairman’s Jonny having to be on the senior team and chairman’s club players first pick on the county team. Look at that with Mayo and one club dictating who is in the goal.

Exactly. plus you never hear of in fighting or players sulking - the likes of Mickey Whelan v John O'Leary / Jim McGuinness v Kevin Cassidy.
Dublin is being run superbly.

Imagine if McGeeney was put in charge of Dublin they wouldn't even win leinster after a few years!

ClanofLams · 13-08-2019 12:45am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You deliberately missed the point the Dublin hurlers moved on from being beaten by Offally and Westmeath and won a minor - leinster - league and got to an AI SF,

By your logic they should have continued in that upward curve with all thier finances etc

It wouldn't have something to do with the players or management would it?

In the 90's Dublin threw away loads of all-ireland's through sheer mismanagement, cliques in the dressing room, no real togetherness. Newcomers were not welcomed in as the old guard aged.

To paraphrase Kieth Barr - he used to say to the young fellas coming in the door - 'another fella who will be gone soon'

The team dynamic, players and management are the most important thing.
Read John O'Leary's book in 96 he was very anti Mickey Whelan.
But has since said that the team was not ready for change.
The players were there but they f**ked up.

Senior teams obviously need funding but they all get relatively well looked after. So no I wasn’t expecting Dublin senior team to necessarily continue to progress.

Funding is most useful for development, targeting players as young as possible, ensuring the highest standard of coaching at every club etc.

That is what Dublin have rightly done. That is a significant part of why Dublin hurling has been transformed and why they will be in the mix for All Irelands in the coming decade.

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 12:45am

STB. wrote: »

To be Frank Frank, stop making excuses. Financial doping as you called it is NOTHING to do with this current squad.

Just because your beloved Mayo are not up to the task, means your solutions are closer to home. Perhaps ye are simply not good enough. No need to be a green eyed monster about it.

Wow yet another accusation of jealousy. Its usually the last resort when ye run out of arguments.
For the record this has nothing to do with jealousy. The thread is about Dublins perceived advantages. And as soon as someone start to discuss GAA created imbalances in the sport attempts are made to shut the debate down with accusations of jealousy.
For every argument there is a counter argument.

Sheep breeder · 13-08-2019 12:45am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

And the success of their u21s?
Ladies?
Hurlers?
Clubs?

Also down to Jim Gavin?

Give us a break. No-one is buying the "its all down to Jim Gavin" line anymore. Not when its across all sectors of Dublin GAA including those he has nothing to do with.

First of all not a dub, Jim Gavin and his team had success with the under 21 prior to taking over the senior team. The players bring this back to their clubs. Mickey has done a lot for Tyrone no doubt and fair play to him, but has he not influenced his players with impressing the will to win.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 12:47am

Strabanimal wrote: »

Yeah MH could win any province but he prefers the back door.

What do you think about JG as manager of NY?

That is what I meant JG in the last post . Sorry did not clarify that.

MH only knows one way to play - JG would vary his style based on the players available.

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 12:47am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Ah the old switcheroo.

I see what you did there.

You're getting in knots now.

I've engaged ever so pleasantly on this topic with you and asked you to back up so many of your assertions and you have failed to return the engagement, instead just making stakle cliched posts that could be made by any old codger.

And of course I criticise one poster's clear bitter agenda since his county managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yesterday and it is that post with which you engage.

If you'd prefer I can collate all my queries again to help you out?

Calm down mate. I said you have the better players in every position. Hardly bitter in that regard.

Saying MH and his team are better isnt that outlandish like fs. No need for all the outrage.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 12:49am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Wow yet another accusation of jealousy. Its usually the last resort when ye run out of arguments.
For the record this has nothing to do with jealousy. The thread is about Dublins perceived advantages. And as soon as someone start to discuss GAA created imbalances in the sport attempts are made to shut the debate down with accusations of jealousy.
For every argument there is a counter argument.

And for every question there is usually an answer. I'm still waiting on you to back up your assertions.

How were we handed a stadium?

How is financial mismanagement in other counties not important to you?

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 12:50am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is what I meant JG in the last post . Sorry did not clarify that.

MH only knows one way to play - JG would vary his style based on the players available.

So MH won 3 AIs last decade defensively and now is competing every year attacking. But yeah JG can vary his style with top tier footballers

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 12:51am

Strabanimal wrote: »

Calm down mate. I said you have the better players in every position. Hardly bitter in that regard.

Saying MH and his team are better isnt that outlandish like fs. No need for all the outrage.

I know you have problems sometimes thinking that we're all agin ya but that post was aimed at Frankie boy who only piped up in your defence because I had the temerity to criticise you previously.

Have you anything to say on the Dublin financial "doping" situation? Or do you think we're all hyped up and therefore this is all a flash in the pan?

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 12:51am

ClanofLams wrote: »

Senior teams obviously need funding but they all get relatively well looked after. So no I wasn’t expecting Dublin senior team to necessarily continue to progress.

Funding is most useful for development, targeting players as young as possible, ensuring the highest standard of coaching at every club etc.

That is what Dublin have rightly done. That is a significant part of why Dublin hurling has been transformed and why they will be in the mix for All Irelands in the coming decade.

But again if funding/coaching and targeting of players were so good why has Dublin hurling dipped in the last six years from the high at inter-county of 2013?
Did they take a break or what?

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 12:51am

Strabanimal wrote: »

Calm down mate. I said you have the better players in every position. Hardly bitter in that regard.

Saying MH and his team are better isnt that outlandish like fs. No need for all the outrage.

I didn't create this thread. Opinions were asked for on here. As soon as someone expresses a counter argument to the "Dublins success is nothing to do with the many advantages they enjoy" argument posters are generally subjected to the usual "you're only bitter" nonsense.

I've already reported one post for that accusation.

Kop On · 13-08-2019 12:52am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The point is that Dublin did not have to fund a huge stadium to play their home games at. This is a massive advantage to any county and means they can use the money saved elsewhere.

It’s also a massive advantage to be able to buy land in Kerry or Tyrone and build state of the art centres of excellence for a fraction of the cost that similar sites and centres would cost in Dublin.

The reality is while other counties have invested in bricks and mortar over the past decade Dublin have invested in people.

If you think these boys have all the luxuries pay a visit to where they train, there’s underage teams around the country getting togged out in nicer set ups.

Also, any funding/sponsorship Dublin receive goes towards, all codes and age groups (football, hurling, men’s/women’s) ... the hurlers in Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone etc don’t see much funding I’d imagine.

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 12:52am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

First of all not a dub

Aka first of im fishing for likes

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 12:53am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I didn't create this thread. Opinions were asked for on here. As soon as someone expresses a counter argument to the "Dublins success is nothing to do with the many advantages they enjoy" argument posters are generally subjected to the usual "you're only bitter" nonsense.

I've already reported on post for that accusation.

I will ask you again:

How have Dublin been "handed a free stadium"?

Why don't you care about other counties financial mismanagement?

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 12:53am

Strabanimal wrote: »

So MH won 3 AIs last decade defensively and now is competing every year attacking. But yeah JG can vary his style with top tier footballers

I think Jim Gavin would do the same with any level - he seems to be always thinking - getting to know his players inside out

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 12:54am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And for every question there is usually an answer. I'm still waiting on you to back up your assertions.

How were we handed a stadium?

How is financial mismanagement in other counties not important to you?

First off Bonnie you said a few weeks ago I was on ignore because you disliked my posts. So what happened to that?

Secondly its blatently obvious you are only looking to throw the bitterness accusation around on here like confetti.

I've already reported you for that as its dragging the thread down.

Any chance you'd refrain from that kind of behaviour going forward?

STB. · 13-08-2019 12:54am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Wow yet another accusation of jealousy. Its usually the last resort when ye run out of arguments.
For the record this has nothing to do with jealousy. The thread is about Dublins perceived advantages. And as soon as someone start to discuss GAA created imbalances in the sport attempts are made to shut the debate down with accusations of jealousy.
For every argument there is a counter argument.

I have read enough of your posts to realise what your issues are. You don't listen and you have no intention of doing so.

People are stating funding imbalances as fact which is nothing to do with this current 5 in a row seeking Dublin panel. They are just superb players and gel as a team. Hard graft boy.

Its your poor mouthing attempts and refusal to listen to anyone outside your own misguided and poorly written arguments that have made every single thread that mentions Dublin turn into a cesspit.

The 15 vs 15 argument stands. Up your game, then we can talk. There was never a problem with dominance until it was the Dubs. I make no apologies for their success. God knows we had barren years between 1995 and 2011. I have no intention of standing at the crossroads talking like farmers about it.

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 12:55am

Bonniedog wrote: »

We beat them. You lot surrendered. An MP representing Tyrone made a mockery of men who died on hunger strike dressed up in a monkey suit to meet the Queen.

6 hunger strikers died for that because shinners let them when they had 5 demands on the table.

So, less of the west Brits, pal.

Im not your pal mate. Look up why youre a country in the first place (Thomas Clarke). No one in strabane would dare make a mockery of the hunger strikers. That's taking things too far.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 12:56am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

First off Bonnie you said a few weeks ago I was on ignore because you disliked my posts. So what happened to that?

I have never had anyone on ignore. You might be confusing me with someone else.

I'm sure you can find that post as well where I said it.

Secondly its blatently obvious you are only looking to throw the bitterness accusation around on here like confetti.

Do you know what confetti is? I used the term bitterdom ONCE, and I have since edited said post.

I've already reported you for that as its dragging the thread down.

Oh noes

Any chance you'd refrain from that kind of behaviour going forward?

Tell ya what, I'll go one better, I'll be nice to you if you can start backing up your assertions. Even just once.

[Nice ninja edit]

I have never had anyone on ignore. You might be confusing me with someone else.

I'm sure you can find that post as well where I said it.

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So again:

How have Dublin been handed a free stadium?

Does financial mismanagement in other counties matter to you?

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 12:57am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think Jim Gavin would do the same with any level - he seems to be always thinking - getting to know his players inside out

It's all opinion mate. No point in discussing this

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 12:59am

Strabanimal wrote: »

It's all opinion mate. No point in discussing this

Yeah fair enough.

This thread will look very silly if Kerry win in a few weeks time - is all I can think of.

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 12:59am

STB. wrote: »

I have read enough of your posts to realise what your issues are. You don't listen and you have no intention of doing so.

People are stating funding imbalances as fact which is nothing to do with this current 5 in a row seeking Dublin panel. They are just superb players and gel as a team. Hard graft boy.

Its your poor mouthing attempts and refusal to listen to anyone outside your own misguided and poorly written arguments that have made every single thread that mentions Dublin turn into a cesspit.

The 15 vs 15 argument stands. Up your game, then we can talk. There was never a problem with dominance until it was the Dubs. I make no apologies for their success. God knows we had barren years between 1995 and 2011. I have no intention of standing at the crossroads talking like to farmers about it.

As if I'm the only one who raised financial doping FFS. Every GAA follower in the country had talked about it at one stage or another.

ClanofLams · 13-08-2019 1:02am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But again if funding/coaching and targeting of players were so good why has Dublin hurling dipped in the last six years from the high at inter-county of 2013?
Did they take a break or what?

It’s not a simple sum and I have never said funding is the sole piece of the equation rather that it has a transformative impact.

I would say and this may be not be well received by many that 2013 was a relatively poor year for the standard of hurling, the excitement and novelty was great. But Clare and Cork contested a final, neither of whom have reached that level in the immediate years before or again. It may be that Dublin were able to over achieve to an extent that year.

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 1:03am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I have never had anyone on ignore. You might be confusing me with someone else.

I'm sure you can find that post as well where I said it.

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So again:

How have Dublin been handed a free stadium?

Does financial mismanagement in other counties matter to you?

I'll have a look tomorrow for the post, if whoever said it hasn't deleted it

I'm hitting the hay. Tis late.

older by the day · 13-08-2019 1:03am

I suppose there are nearly a million people in Dublin and its surrounds, why not make a south Dublin and north Dublin team.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 1:04am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

As if I'm the only one who raised financial doping FFS. Every GAA follower in the country had talked about it at one stage or another.

You're the only one in every thread raising it and as of this evening the only one refusing to back up your assertions but throwing accusations around like confetti.

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How have Dublin been handed a free stadium?

Does the financial mismanagement in Cork not concern you as it impinges on the association as a whole and means such latent giants like Wicklow and Longford can't win All-Irelands?

StupidLikeAFox · 13-08-2019 1:04am

STB. wrote: »

Yeah, "your aim" wont be happening, because the results are not suiting.

The solution is for your county's team to up their standards. Not devise a handicap system.

They sure as shít were not suggesting this when Kerry won the All Ireland in 1975, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985, 1986.

Conversely, nobody gave a shít about Dublin as long as they were not winning All Irelands between 1995 and 2011, despite having the population advantage.

There is no direct correlation between development funding and the success of the current Dublin squad. The whole idea of development funding was to get more kids playing the game and not soccer, rugby, athletics, boxing, and other sports. And to get them sticking at it.

This current Dublin team are all amateurs with day jobs (just google them). Off the top of my head 3 of them are the sons of previous Dublin players. There is nothing "doped" about them. They put a lot of effort and make a lot of personal concessions into conditioning themselves to be that good. Of course no amount of conditioning will make a winning machine unless there is talent there, but its a start.

Through proper management which had been sadly lacking for some time, the results are finally coming Dublins way.

Stop making excuses for your own County. I see that one of the main protagonists in this thread is from a County that hadn't had a footballing All Star since 2003, prior to last year. That County not being a small one either. To that person I'd say, stop looking for excuses. Look closer to home for your solutions. You wont find it by whinging about others.

There are 15 men on the pitch at any one time. Make sure your 15 are up to scratch. It avoids whinging after the event. The solution is one thing and one thing only. A period of dominance in GAA is nothing new. Start playing at a higher level. Thats what the Dubs had to do between 1995 and 2011 and in the 80s when Kerry won all around them. We didn't have mass hysteria.

Dublin have excellent players, no doubt some hard working volunteers and top class management, I don't think anybody would dispute that. But at the same time Central HQ has given Dublin a serious leg up, supported professional structures right down to club level, from nursery to juvenile to adult. Dublin have received way over what any other county could hope to put together it terms of time, effort and money from the GAA. Trying to say that none of this had an impact is mental.

Also, trying to say that other counties should sort themselves out is condescending, as if they are just doing nothing. Other counties dont have the luxury of full time administrators and coordinators in every club. You can't just switch that on for the majority of the country, unless the gaa start spreading the love, which they have shown no signs of doing.

ClanofLams · 13-08-2019 1:06am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yeah fair enough.

This thread will look very silly if Kerry win in a few weeks time - is all I can think of.

I wouldn’t think so personally. It will take about four or five years to judge this thread, if Kerry win in a freak match in a few weeks and Dublin cruise to the next four All Irelands many of the points raised here will be valid. The core issue being discussed here ie. funding disparity is valid regardless and the GAA admitted as much earlier this year if I recall correctly.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 1:07am

older by the day wrote: »

I suppose there are nearly a million people in Dublin and its surrounds, why not make a south Dublin and north Dublin team.

Where are you going to build the South Dublin stadium?

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 1:07am

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I'll have a look tomorrow for the post, if whoever said it hasn't deleted it

I'm hitting the hay. Tis late.

Jesus that would be awful convenient if a post was deleted that was a complete figment of your imagination.

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While you are sleeping you can mull over the questions I've posed:

How have Dublin been handed a free stadium?

Why don't you care about the GAA bailing out other counties like Cork and Galway and thus, taking funding from Carlow and Leitrim?

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