So Michael D IS running again!

VinLieger · 08-10-2018 1:26pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody has a right to a child's medical information. You, as a parent, have every right to mention your children though. You set the boundaries until they are of an age.

By publicly discussing her child's vaccination status she set that boundary that it was up for public discussion, again if she didn't want to be asked questions about it she shouldn't have started talking about it and using it to gain political points with the anti-vaxx crowd.

Loafing Oaf · 08-10-2018 1:44pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Big mistake for some of the candidates not to put posters up. The name recognition of Joan Freeman and Peter Casey is particularly low.

Although it doesn't seem as if Casey is taking the thing seriously.

And yet he is apparently uprooting his life by moving back to Ireland in order to prove his bona fides.

alaimacerc · 08-10-2018 2:34pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

And yet he is apparently uprooting his life by moving back to Ireland in order to prove his bona fides.

I thought all he'd said was that he'd move back permanently if elected?

As someone pointed out, he's the candidate most likely to go down in flames, but possibly take someone else out in the process. I'd not bother to book the removal van -- or small container ship, more likes -- just yet.

alaimacerc · 08-10-2018 2:42pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

he whole confusion at the time centred around whether people were suffering side effects or not.

Hard to say where anti-vax nonsense "centres", as there's no "there" there, and it's just a roiling mass of "yesbutnobut" blather.

Side-effects were alleged, certainly.

So was supposed lack of effectiveness. We'd one of of our rent-a-quote bishops sounding off on that, rather prominently.

If anything, though, I'd say that the dominant narrative has been the "OMG, STD virus, teenage girls, MORAL PANIC!" theme, and many variations on it. And very much the distinctive one from other vaccines and their inevitable associated scares.

Loafing Oaf · 08-10-2018 2:45pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

I thought all he'd said was that he'd move back permanently if elected?

Well that wouldn't be saying a lot, unless he was considering a Skype-centric presidency as an alternative to the current Aras-based arrangement.:p
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/peter-casey-whoever-wins-it-it-will-not-be-president-michael-d-higgins-1.3613041
No, according to this he has "sold his house in Atlanta with a view to moving back to Ireland permanently." Doesn't specify that he has done it prove his commitment to the old sod as part of his presidential campaign though, depriving us all of an opportunity to laugh at him when he secures the inevitable 1.7% in the election.

Edgware · 08-10-2018 2:49pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Big mistake for some of the candidates not to put posters up. The name recognition of Joan Freeman and Peter Casey is particularly low.

Although it doesn't seem as if Casey is taking the thing seriously.

Turnout could be as low as 35% at this rate.

When no sign of a mention of Sinn Fein on the posters?

blanch152 · 08-10-2018 2:54pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

Hard to say where anti-vax nonsense "centres", as there's no "there" there, and it's just a roiling mass of "yesbutnobut" blather.

Side-effects were alleged, certainly.

So was supposed lack of effectiveness. We'd one of of our rent-a-quote bishops sounding off on that, rather prominently.

If anything, though, I'd say that the dominant narrative has been the "OMG, STD virus, teenage girls, MORAL PANIC!" theme, and many variations on it. And very much the distinctive one from other vaccines and their inevitable associated scares.

Yes, what gave the anti-vaxx movement extra traction around the HPV vaccine was the Catholic conservative misogyny that didn't like the idea of young women having sex. Conspiracy theorists and Catholic conservatives make for peculiar bedfellows.

There were no genuine fears.

alaimacerc · 08-10-2018 2:59pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think you have done very well to make something of this, but as usual it doesn't stack up against what she actually said and I don't think you even know what she ACTUALLY said from your comment above:

What part of what I said "doesn't stack up"? I quoted the IT, quoting her from the interview. You're trying an "alternative quotes" narrative that you like better, but doesn't actually address my points at all.

The simplistic 'Republican = bad - anyone who alleges something against a republican = good.' is getting very tired as we move away from those not involved in the conflict/war.

I think the "tired" and "simplistic" take is very much coming from you, here. You're rather transparently defending Ni Riada on the basis of her being the SF candidate. Protesting all the while, of course, that like all your other pro-SF posts, it's all wildly coincidental, and nothing to do with that at all. Me, I'd be saying the exact same thing about any candidate of any party, who'd acted as Ni Riada has.

Ironically enough, in fact, we appear to agree she's the second-best candidate in the field. It's very much despite herself on this issue. And saying so is, admittedly, perilously close to damning with faint praise, as at least three of the others fall into the "total morto" category.

alaimacerc · 08-10-2018 3:11pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Well that wouldn't be saying a lot, unless he was considering a Skype-centric presidency as an alternative to the current Aras-based arrangement.:p

Who knows, maybe he could have just been planning on adding it to his collection of homes, and "asking the permission of the government to leave the state" a whole lot.

Let's face it, speaking without saying a lot is no bar to a career as a politician! He definitely said something to that effect on the radio, in response to a question about moving back for the campaign. So he's fair getting the hang of this "not answering the questioned asked" lark, too.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/peter-casey-whoever-wins-it-it-will-not-be-president-michael-d-higgins-1.3613041
No, according to this he has "sold his house in Atlanta with a view to moving back to Ireland permanently." Doesn't specify that he has done it prove his commitment to the old sod as part of his presidential campaign though, depriving us all of an opportunity to laugh at him when he secures the inevitable 1.7% in the election.

"With a view to" is also deniable waffle on his part. No-one ever got too excoriated for merely changing their "view".

Maybe he's taken his own advice and bet the proceeds on bar-Higgins -- he'd get 9/2 last I checked, with is indeed good odds on what he blandly tells is an utter certainty.

"Here's where I am, Peter. I'm out."

jm08 · 08-10-2018 4:22pm

blanch152 wrote: »

You would want to start showing a bit of respect to people. This is what Emma Mhic Mhathuna had to say before she died:

https://extra.ie/2018/10/08/news/politics/emma-mhic-mhathuna-sinn-fein

"Ms Mhic Mhathúna told Extra.ie: ‘Using myself and Vicky’s name in the campaign isn’t on and she needs to focus on Ireland and not use us to gain brownie points, especially when she’s so secretive about her own family.

‘Myself and Vicky have been to hell and back and we did that for our families, not to be turned into political footballs. It’s a low blow and, quite frankly, I’m getting tired of cheap shots from Sinn F. I’ve enough on my plate without being dragged into this.’"

I suppose though that in SF minds, Vicky Phelan and Emma Mhic Mhatuna are "serial petrified anti-republicans" for wanting Liadh Ni Riain to answer a simple question.

From what I recall, Emma Mhic Mhatuna* in the HSE ad promoting the vaccine said that she signed the form and later withdrew permission because she had heard that it could affect the health of her daughter. She then went onto say that she was reassured by the HSE and got the second immunisation and that the HSE would facilitate those with the 2nd immunisation even if they had declined it already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgE89Z84X5k

*Rest in peace Emma.

Secondly, reading some articles about Emma today, I came across some videos of Emma calling out Fine Gael/Gov. on their treatment of victims like herself. In that video, she sings the praises of ''Mary Lou McDonald, who she said is the only one who stood up for her.''

Worth a watch.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/she-should-be-kissing-her-children-as-they-go-out-to-school-vicky-phelan-on-emma-mhic-mhathnas-death-37394832.html

blanch152 · 08-10-2018 4:28pm

jm08 wrote: »

From what I recall, Emma Mhic Mhatuna* in the HSE ad promoting the vaccine said that she signed the form and later withdrew permission because she had heard that it could affect the health of her daughter. She then went onto say that she was reassured by the HSE and got the second immunisation and that the HSE would facilitate those with the 2nd immunisation even if they had declined it already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgE89Z84X5k

*Rest in peace Emma.

Secondly, reading some articles about Emma today, I came across some videos of Emma calling out Fine Gael/Gov. on their treatment of victims like herself. In that video, she sings the praises of ''Mary Lou McDonald, who she said is the only one who stood up for her.''

Worth a watch.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/she-should-be-kissing-her-children-as-they-go-out-to-school-vicky-phelan-on-emma-mhic-mhathnas-death-37394832.html

I am not sure what relevance any of that has to the Presidential ambitions of Liadh ni Riain?

jm08 · 08-10-2018 4:34pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I am not sure what relevance any of that has to the Presidential ambitions of Liadh ni Riain?

The relevance is that Emma had doubts about the vaccine as well, so its hardly surprising that Liadh might also have had question marks. Why did Emma have doubts about it? Was there enough information from the HSE to reassure her and other mothers of that age group?

The other point is that you claim that Emma was fed up with being used by Sinn Fein - yet I think 6 months ago she was singing the praises of Mary Lou McDonald and castigating Fine Gael for how she was treated.

Personally, I think there is something distasteful about this whole anti-vac situtation and the presidency. If Liadh didn't get her daughter vaccinated does that make her an unworthy President. I don't think the vac is compulsory, is it? People still have a choice.

blanch152 · 08-10-2018 4:40pm

jm08 wrote: »

The relevance is that Emma had doubts about the vaccine as well, so its hardly surprising that Liadh might also have had question marks. Why did Emma have doubts about it? Was there enough information from the HSE to reassure her and other mothers of that age group?

The other point is that you claim that Emma was fed up with being used by Sinn Fein - yet I think 6 months ago she was singing the praises of Mary Lou McDonald and castigating Fine Gael for how she was treated.

Personally, I think there is something distasteful about this whole anti-vac situtation. If Liadh didn't get her daughter vaccinated does that make her an unworthy President. I don't think the vac is compulsory, is it? People still have a choice.

Yes, if Liadh didn't get her child vaccinated she is unworthy to be President.

To take an example from another jurisdiction, Trump is frequently derided on these boards for his anti-science stance. Ni Riadh is equally guilty of the same madness, yet there are posters willing to criticise Trump who will give her a free pass on the issue.

Re your Emma comparison, she had no issue in coming out and saying she got her child vaccinated eventually. Ni riadh can do the same.

I didn't claim that Emma was fed up being used by Sinn Fein - she did, if you read the link I provided.

jm08 · 08-10-2018 5:03pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, if Liadh didn't get her child vaccinated she is unworthy to be President.

Yet Emma said: The mother of five from Co. Kerry, said: ‘Regarding the vaccine, it’s a personal choice for every family. Whatever they choose is the right one.’

https://extra.ie/2018/10/05/news/irish-news/emma-mhic-mhathuna-liadh-ni-riada

Its interesting that only extra.ie is quoting Emma's thoughts on Sinn Fein.

From what I can see, the problem is that you and others like you are just using this as a weapon to attack Sinn Fein and Liaidh.

For the record, I won't be voting for Liaidh. I just think that it is up to Liaidh and her daughter whether her daughter's medical records are discussed in public and this continued questioning about whether the child was vaccinated or not is as Emma says, the business of the child's family not the general public.

alaimacerc · 08-10-2018 5:06pm

jm08 wrote: »

Was there enough information from the HSE to reassure her and other mothers of that age group?

How much info is enough? We've already had people here trotting out the "I wouldn't trust a word the HSE say" line., in defence or mitigation of Riada's antics.

If Liadh didn't get her daughter vaccinated does that make her an unworthy President. I don't think the vac is compulsory, is it? People still have a choice.

If she didn't, she should having herself publicly raised the issue, be clear one way or another. Or at the very least, apologise for having previously spoken on the matter if she feels, on more mature reflection, that strict confidentiality about her daughter's medical treatment was the wiser course. Rather than trying to bluff it out, how-very-dare-you and flatly deny things she's clearly on record as having said before, as she did with Aine Lawlor.

People have a choice about a whole lot of things. Like staying in 5-star hotels, accepting their full salary, spending their expense allowance, taking loans to fund their campaign, acting like a shouty blowhard, being a bit of a creepy theocrat, etc. Doesn't mean they're immune to public commentary on those matters.

alaimacerc · 08-10-2018 5:07pm

jm08 wrote: »

For the record, I won't be voting for Liaidh. I just think that it is up to Liaidh and her daughter whether her daughter's medical records are discussed in public [...]

Guess she shouldn't have started discussing it in public, then.

FrancieBrady · 08-10-2018 5:33pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

Guess she shouldn't have started discussing it in public, then.

Sorry, this is just pathetic.

There is a huge difference between mentioning your daughters in an interview and revealing their medical histories to a baying mob who won't believe what you say anyway and who will demand further proof.

jm08 · 08-10-2018 5:34pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

How much info is enough? We've already had people here trotting out the "I wouldn't trust a word the HSE say" line., in defence or mitigation of Riada's antics.

There was a lot of talk and concern around that time about the side effects of the vaccine. Emma is one of the ones who expressed having had those concerns for her daughter. That is why I think the HSE actually did an advertising campaign to promote the vaccine to reassure parents about it.

If she didn't, she should having herself publicly raised the issue, be clear one way or another. Or at the very least, apologise for having previously spoken on the matter if she feels, on more mature reflection, that strict confidentiality about her daughter's medical treatment was the wiser course. Rather than trying to bluff it out, how-very-dare-you and flatly deny things she's clearly on record as having said before, as she did with Aine Lawlor.

If anyone should apologise, its the people who persist in request private information about her daughter's medical history. That is private as far as I am concerned and its despictable to hound her with requests for that information.

I agree that she probably should have not said that she stopped her daughter from having the second vaccine because of concerns, but I think its the way it happened. She probably didn't realise that some people would use it as a stick to beat herself and Sinn Fein with.

People have a choice about a whole lot of things. Like staying in 5-star hotels, accepting their full salary, spending their expense allowance, taking loans to fund their campaign, acting like a shouty blowhard, being a bit of a creepy theocrat, etc. Doesn't mean they're immune to public commentary on those matters.

No, you do not have a right to know her daughter's medical history.

Ni Riadi is encouraging and supporting the use of the vaccine now. That should be enough of an answer.

jm08 · 08-10-2018 5:36pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

Guess she shouldn't have started discussing it in public, then.

Yes, I think she made a mistake mentioning her daughter who is a child.

batgoat · 08-10-2018 5:38pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Which caused confusion. Phelan, Craughwell, Maureen O'Sullivan, Michael Moynihan all asking questions in the Dail about the 'serious side effects' from the vaccine.

Absolute nonsense here from you again trying to single out one public rep.

Get us some evidence for your claims and get back to us. I'm done with this.

I called all of them out on it too though. Particularly Craughwell since he planned to run, loads of people called him out.

alaimacerc · 08-10-2018 5:46pm

jm08 wrote: »

Yes, I think she made a mistake mentioning her daughter who is a child.

Grand so, then we're agreed on that point. If she'd not done that, then none of this would be an issue. But it's not clear that she agrees, which is rather more to the point.

jm08 · 08-10-2018 5:49pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

Grand so, then we're agreed on that point. If she'd not done that, then none of this would be an issue. But it's not clear that she agrees, which is rather more to the point.

She is supporting it publicly now. That is all you need to know. You have no right to know her daughter's medical history.

blanch152 · 08-10-2018 5:50pm

jm08 wrote: »

Yet Emma said: The mother of five from Co. Kerry, said: ‘Regarding the vaccine, it’s a personal choice for every family. Whatever they choose is the right one.’

https://extra.ie/2018/10/05/news/irish-news/emma-mhic-mhathuna-liadh-ni-riada

Its interesting that only extra.ie is quoting Emma's thoughts on Sinn Fein.

From what I can see, the problem is that you and others like you are just using this as a weapon to attack Sinn Fein and Liaidh.

For the record, I won't be voting for Liaidh. I just think that it is up to Liaidh and her daughter whether her daughter's medical records are discussed in public and this continued questioning about whether the child was vaccinated or not is as Emma says, the business of the child's family not the general public.

Did you even read the article I posted earlier?

https://extra.ie/2018/10/08/news/politics/emma-mhic-mhathuna-sinn-fein

"Ms Mhic Mhathúna told Extra.ie: ‘Using myself and Vicky’s name in the campaign isn’t on and she needs to focus on Ireland and not use us to gain brownie points, especially when she’s so secretive about her own family."

"Emma Mhic Mhathúna’s final political message was for Sinn Féin’s Presidential candidate – denouncing her ambiguity on the life-saving HPV vaccine."

It is time for Liadh to come clean and stop playing politics with a serious issue. "Do what I say, not what I do" is obviously a favourite of hers.

alaimacerc · 08-10-2018 5:58pm

jm08 wrote: »

If anyone should apologise, its the people who persist in request private information about her daughter's medical history. That is private as far as I am concerned and its despictable to hound her with requests for that information.

ITYM formerly private information. She's the one that made it public. Why is she not the despicable one here, rather than the person "hounding" (SF press pack word bingo again) her for an update on that exact same matter?

She probably didn't realise that some people would use it as a stick to beat herself and Sinn Fein with.

She probably just thought there was a few cheap teenage-sex moral panic and "vax-skep" votes in it, sure. Which is precisely the problem with her doing it.

If a politician -- any politician -- raises a matter -- any matter -- publicly, then it's entirely legitimate for journalists to ask them questions about that. If they're going to say "no, that's private, away with your sinister hounding!", then at an utter minimum they should be prepared to eat some humble pie and and say "my bad, I brought it up when I shouldn't have, I want to apologise for having done so, and draw a line under the matter now".

Instead, we get "no I never" bluff and bluster, attempting to play the victim, and SF supporters dutifully doing the same.

alaimacerc · 08-10-2018 6:00pm

jm08 wrote: »

She is supporting it publicly now. That is all you need to know. You have no right to know her daughter's medical history.

You seem to be stuck on that particular talking point. Feel free to move on from it any time you like, and address any of the points actually being made.

FrancieBrady · 08-10-2018 6:02pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

ITYM formerly private information. She's the one that made it public. Why is she not the despicable one here, rather than the person "hounding" (SF press pack word bingo again) her for an update on that exact same matter?

She probably just thought there was a few cheap teenage-sex moral panic and "vax-skep" votes in it, sure. Which is precisely the problem with her doing it.

If a politician -- any politician -- raises a matter -- any matter -- publicly, then it's entirely legitimate for journalists to ask them questions about that. If they're going to say "no, that's private, away with your sinister hounding!", then at an utter minimum they should be prepared to eat some humble pie and and say "my bad, I brought it up when I shouldn't have, I want to apologise for having done so, and draw a line under the matter now".

Instead, we get "no I never" bluff and bluster, attempting to play the victim, and SF supporters dutifully doing the same.

Re the word bingo: did you ever stop to think that people call things sinister because they are or that people are hounding children for their medical records because that is what it is - hounding.

hotmail.com · 08-10-2018 6:12pm

Edgware wrote:

When no sign of a mention of Sinn Fein on the posters?

I believe this is the tradition, so that they come across as a president for all the people.

No one is going to vote for a candidate because they didn't use posters. Big error by the 4 candidates not to use posters. That's if they genuinely wanted to have any sort of chance of winning.

alaimacerc · 08-10-2018 6:18pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Re the word bingo: did you ever stop to think that people call things sinister because they are or that people are hounding children for their medical records because that is what it is - hounding.

No, I obviously I've been discussing this for page after page, but never "stopped to think" whether the bland and variety-of-language-challenged, nothing to see here, shut and go away, silencing tactics were somehow right all along. I mean, that couldn't possibly have been been a rhetorical question, deployed in order to restate that exact same line yet again.

Good grief. The party line is one thing people, but there are thesauruses all over the internet. For free, like.

FrancieBrady · 08-10-2018 6:28pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

No, I obviously I've been discussing this for page after page, but never "stopped to think" whether the bland and variety-of-language-challenged, nothing to see here, shut and go away, silencing tactics were somehow right all along. I mean, that couldn't possibly have been been a rhetorical question, deployed in order to restate that exact same line yet again.

Good grief. The party line is one thing people, but there are thesauruses all over the internet. For free, like.

Hilarious. You guys pretend that you want answers when in fact all you want are the answers that prove your own theories.

I'm spouting the 'party line' when I have said I have nothing to do with the party.
It will be the same even if Ni Riada divulges her daughters medical history, 'we don't believe you, you are an anti vaxxer, because we say so'.

Any new Shinner words in the above?

alaimacerc · 08-10-2018 6:31pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

I believe this is the tradition, so that they come across as a president for all the people.

Dunno about tradition: memory fades, so I just tried googling. Lots of posters with party colours, logos (Labour's rose, notably), and yes, with the party name too (for example, Gay Mitchell from '11).

But to be fair... Thus far, I don't see any of Martin McGuinness' from last time with "Sinn Fein" on them. So maybe it is somewhat odd that something's being made of the same party doing the same thing again this time.

alaimacerc · 08-10-2018 6:39pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm spouting the 'party line' when I have said I have nothing to do with the party.

Nothing but a few votes and many thousand posts on t'internet, at any rate.

It will be the same even if Ni Riada divulges her daughters medical history, 'we don't believe you, you are an anti vaxxer, because we say so'.

Good of you to tell us what you surmise -- or at least, impute -- people think and will do. Be better still if you paid some mind to what they actually said, all the same.

Any new Shinner words in the above?

Pretty much the same set text. Keep saying "divulge her daughter's medical history", and variations on that theme. At all costs avoid any mention of the candidate in question having already done this. The better to portray it as a scandalous demand on the part of others.

Hotblack Desiato · 08-10-2018 6:52pm

jm08 wrote: »

There was a lot of talk and concern around that time about the side effects of the vaccine.

There was a lot of nonsense floating about at the time; she chose to publicly encourage the peddlers of nonsense and made it look like she believed them (whether she did or not isn't really here or there)

I agree that she probably should have not said that she stopped her daughter from having the second vaccine because of concerns, but I think its the way it happened.

She's embarrassed about it now, but that's as it should be. She chose to jump onto a bandwagon at the time thinking it'd be some harmless publicity for herself.

No, you do not have a right to know her daughter's medical history.

Ni Riadi is encouraging and supporting the use of the vaccine now. That should be enough of an answer.

She brought it up in the first place. Maybe she's being a total hypocrite by now promoting a vaccine she didn't allow her daughter to receive. Or maybe she did, so not a hypocrite but still guilty of a bad error of judgement at the time by going public about her daughter's vaccination status.

jm08 · 08-10-2018 6:58pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Did you even read the article I posted earlier?

https://extra.ie/2018/10/08/news/politics/emma-mhic-mhathuna-sinn-fein

"Ms Mhic Mhathúna told Extra.ie: ‘Using myself and Vicky’s name in the campaign isn’t on and she needs to focus on Ireland and not use us to gain brownie points, especially when she’s so secretive about her own family."

"Emma Mhic Mhathúna’s final political message was for Sinn F’s Presidential candidate – denouncing her ambiguity on the life-saving HPV vaccine."

It is time for Liadh to come clean and stop playing politics with a serious issue. "Do what I say, not what I do" is obviously a favourite of hers.

I did comment. I said that extra.ie seems to be the only media outlet with this. I've done a search so I really don't know what Emma means when she says that Ni Riada and Sinn Fein are using their name because I haven't seen or heard Ni Riada use their name. The only reference to Sinn Fein that I have found is Emma praising Mary Lou for standing up for her other than this one.

So, I'd appreciate you giving me a link to where Ni Riada is using their names.

Ni Riada can't do what she says to prove that she supports the vaccine. Only her daughter can do that.

You keep dismissing her daughter's rights in this. That is wrong.

FrancieBrady · 08-10-2018 7:00pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

Nothing but a few votes and many thousand posts on t'internet, at any rate.

Good of you to tell us what you surmise -- or at least, impute -- people think and will do. Be better still if you paid some mind to what they actually said, all the same.

Pretty much the same set text. Keep saying "divulge her daughter's medical history", and variations on that theme. At all costs avoid any mention of the candidate in question having already done this. The better to portray it as a scandalous demand on the part of others.

So, in effect, as I said, you will just believe what you want to believe. Figures.

jm08 · 08-10-2018 7:02pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

There was a lot of nonsense floating about at the time; she chose to publicly encourage the peddlers of nonsense and made it look like she believed them (whether she did or not isn't really here or there)

So, no chance at all that she was genuinely worried about it like Emma was?

She's embarrassed about it now, but that's as it should be. She chose to jump onto a bandwagon at the time thinking it'd be some harmless publicity for herself.

Bearing in mind that she actually had a child involved, I don't really think she was jumping on a bandwagon. The only people jumping on a bandwagon here are the people demanding to know if her daughter has received the vaccine which is none of your business. Its her daughter's business.

She brought it up in the first place. Maybe she's being a total hypocrite by now promoting a vaccine she didn't allow her daughter to receive. Or maybe she did, so not a hypocrite but still guilty of a bad error of judgement at the time by going public about her daughter's vaccination status.

Well, I suppose when you have a child involved, you might have to declare an interest so that people would not accuse you of jumping on a bandwagon like some of you seem to be doing here.

jm08 · 08-10-2018 7:04pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

You seem to be stuck on that particular talking point. Feel free to move on from it any time you like, and address any of the points actually being made.

It is my one and only point. None of you have a right to demand to hear her daughter's medical history.

FrancieBrady · 08-10-2018 7:10pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

There was a lot of nonsense floating about at the time; she chose to publicly encourage the peddlers of nonsense and made it look like she believed them (whether she did or not isn't really here or there)

She's embarrassed about it now, but that's as it should be. She chose to jump onto a bandwagon at the time thinking it'd be some harmless publicity for herself.

She brought it up in the first place. Maybe she's being a total hypocrite by now promoting a vaccine she didn't allow her daughter to receive. Or maybe she did, so not a hypocrite but still guilty of a bad error of judgement at the time by going public about her daughter's vaccination status.

And once again you are totally wrong and clearly are taking your lead from the controversy whipped up by the 'anyone but a Shinner' crew.
She did not 'make it look like she believed them' she talked about her doubts and inability to find clear info.

Take some time to read the transcripts of what she said.

expectationlost · 08-10-2018 7:49pm

surely if you can't get a loan from a bank then a loan from an individual is worth more then just the loan figure and a standard interest rate

Hotblack Desiato · 08-10-2018 8:51pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

She did not 'make it look like she believed them' she talked about her doubts and inability to find clear info.

Whatever her motive was, she naively contributed to the climate of FUD surrounding the vaccine, vaccination rates dropped and lives will be lost as a result.

Saying that anyone unhappy about this is due to some 'anyone but SF' syndrome is a load of nonsense.

blanch152 · 08-10-2018 9:04pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

There was a lot of nonsense floating about at the time; she chose to publicly encourage the peddlers of nonsense and made it look like she believed them (whether she did or not isn't really here or there)

She's embarrassed about it now, but that's as it should be. She chose to jump onto a bandwagon at the time thinking it'd be some harmless publicity for herself.

She brought it up in the first place. Maybe she's being a total hypocrite by now promoting a vaccine she didn't allow her daughter to receive. Or maybe she did, so not a hypocrite but still guilty of a bad error of judgement at the time by going public about her daughter's vaccination status.

That is the problem for her. Either way, she is an idiot.

I really hope that she did get the vaccination for her daughter as people like Vicky Phelan and Emma Mhic Mathuna would have benefitted from that vaccine had it been available when they were young.

I hope that none of the posters on here who said they had doubts were stupid enough to deny their daughters the vaccine.

oscarBravo · 08-10-2018 9:31pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is a huge difference between mentioning your daughters in an interview and revealing their medical histories...

That's shockingly disingenuous. She didn't just "mention" her daughters; she specifically stated that she hadn't had them vaccinated. Nobody is asking her to reveal anything more than what she has already volunteered.

FrancieBrady · 08-10-2018 9:39pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

she naively contributed to the climate of FUD surrounding the vaccine, vaccination rates dropped and lives will be lost as a result.

Factually wrong and very revealing again.
Vaccination uptake had already fallen from a high of 87% to 50% before Ni Riada did the interview in Sept. 2016. Within a year, after the HSE was spurred to launch a renewed awareness campaign, it had risen back up again to 61%.

Why did the HSE let it fall from 87% to 50% before taking action? And what were the raft of public representatives supposed to do - stay silent?

You have demonstrated clearly over a number of factually incorrect posts that you yourself are getting info from very dodgy sources.

FrancieBrady · 08-10-2018 9:43pm

oscarBravo wrote: »

That's shockingly disingenuous. She didn't just "mention" her daughters; she specifically stated that she hadn't had them vaccinated. Nobody is asking her to reveal anything more than what she has already volunteered.

This is also factually wrong. Her eldest daughter had the vaccination and Ni Riada received a letter giving 24 hours notice about her 2nd daughter's vaccination when there was a lot of confusion around.

oscarBravo · 08-10-2018 9:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Her eldest daughter had the vaccination and Ni Riada received a letter giving 24 hours notice about her 2nd daughter's vaccination when there was a lot of confusion around.

How do you know? Could it possibly be that, when it suited her, she was happy to discuss her daughters' medical histories?

FrancieBrady · 08-10-2018 9:52pm

oscarBravo wrote: »

How do you know? Could it possibly be that, when it suited her, she was happy to discuss her daughters' medical histories?

How do I know what?

She says she was on the programme as a 'mother'. Of course she was going to mention her daughter's.

She has the right as a politician to keep her daughter's out of it, as any politician has.
That is why I and others think it is sinister to be trying to involve them against their will and their mother's.
Had she not made a clear and precise statement on the vaccine you guys might have a point.

blanch152 · 08-10-2018 9:56pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Factually wrong and very revealing again.
Vaccination uptake had already fallen from a high of 87% to 50% before Ni Riada did the interview in Sept. 2016. Within a year, after the HSE was spurred to launch a renewed awareness campaign, it had risen back up again to 61%.

Why did the HSE let it fall from 87% to 50% before taking action? And what were the raft of public representatives supposed to do - stay silent?

You have demonstrated clearly over a number of factually incorrect posts that you yourself are getting info from very dodgy sources.

Link to health data please.

It is significant that you stated percentages without producing any evidence.

FrancieBrady · 08-10-2018 9:58pm

Seanie has made a bit of a hash of his 60 sec video.

https://www.joe.ie/politics/watch-sean-gallaghers-60-second-presidential-pitch-not-getting-reaction-wanted-643478

ancapailldorcha · 08-10-2018 10:02pm

Posts deleted and ban issued. Any more potentially libelous material will be deleted and the poster banned.

hotmail.com · 08-10-2018 10:03pm

I think this thread has heard enough about the vaccine issue!

richiepurgas · 08-10-2018 10:28pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Seanie has made a bit of a hash of his 60 sec video.

https://www.joe.ie/politics/watch-sean-gallaghers-60-second-presidential-pitch-not-getting-reaction-wanted-643478

That is painful.Seems like something out of a comedy show, Scrap saturday for the 21st century.

So Michael D IS running again!

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