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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 5) *Read Mod Note in Post 1*

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    #3272
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    You haven't watched the film then just shut up.

    I'm not sure you get how discussion boards work.


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    #3273
    Lukker-
    Registered Users Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Unless they were all acting in the movie and it was some weird ruse then I don't see how you can think his knee wasn't affected. I'm sure he saw all those specialists and got stem cell injections and nearly called of the fight just so he had a potential excuse if he lost.


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    #3274
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    All_in_Flynn wrote: »
    Kavanagh said the knee was completely healed by the time he got to the fight but it affected his preparation. I’m not that naive where I’d believe anything that comes out of kavanagh’s mouth but when you add that he looked really terrible and the footage from the documentary, I think it’s reasonable to assume there was an issue.

    I’d also strongly disagree when comparing how he looked -v- Aldo. I think he looked like a different person. Much healthier in comparison. I’d agree it’s subjective though.

    Wow. I can't believe I'm agreeing with something you say. Must be the weather


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    #3275
    All_in_Flynn
    Registered Users Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Wow. I can't believe I'm agreeing with something you say. Must be the weather

    You sure you haven’t got me mixed up with somebody else? I rarely post.


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    #3276
    Axwell
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Lads quit the handbags and keep it civil


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    #3277
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    All_in_Flynn wrote: »
    You sure you haven’t got me mixed up with somebody else? I rarely post.

    Ya, sorry thought you were eager beaver


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    #3278
    xtal191
    Registered Users Posts: 6,311 ✭✭✭xtal191


    I don't doubt he injured his knee before the Mendes fight but I def think they exaggerated how bad it was, didn't he come out and say he tore 80% or some ****e of his acl?


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    #3279
    akelly02
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    xtal191 wrote: »
    I don't doubt he injured his knee before the Mendes fight but I def think they exaggerated how bad it was, didn't he come out and say he tore 80% or some ****e of his acl?

    Yea they said that, quite sad really having to exaggerate like that . It was badly damaged I’d imagine, but certainly not by fight time


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    #3280
    mdwexford
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    Mendes has better takedowns than Khabib.

    Amusing people using getting taken down by Mendes as a stick to beat Conor with.

    Chads ban is up in the next month or two as well. Be good to see him back. Always liked him.


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    #3281
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Mendes has better takedowns than Khabib.

    Amusing people using getting taken down by Mendes as a stick to beat Conor with.

    Chads ban is up in the next month or two as well. Be good to see him back. Always liked him.

    Yea but Chad is a featherweight who took Mcgregor down with ease. Khabib is a natural welterweight imo fighting at lightweight.

    No way can Mcgregor stuff his takedowns. Mcgregor death by mauling, its khabib time !


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    #3282
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Mendes has better takedowns than Khabib.

    .

    Does he? Or do you mean different?

    I'd love to see the comparison of their takedown stats....


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    #3283
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Does he? Or do you mean different?

    I'd love to see the comparison of their takedown stats....

    Seen khabibs takedown percentage somewhere the other day an was shocked how low it was, it's just that he is so persistent, hell keep shooting till he gets you Down


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    #3284
    mdwexford
    Registered Users Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Does he? Or do you mean different?

    I'd love to see the comparison of their takedown stats....

    Yes. No.

    Chads stats are higher.


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    #3285
    Useful.Idiot
    Registered Users Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭Useful.Idiot


    ricero wrote: »
    No way can Mcgregor stuff his takedowns. Mcgregor death by mauling, its khabib time !

    Khabib may be bigger than Chad but he's definitely slower. Conor doesn't necessarily have to stuff every shot, he can use distance. McGregor's whole game revolves around expert distance management. Khabib will have to work hard to get in range on McGregor for a single leg without taking a crack for his troubles.


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    #3286
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,083 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Yes. No.

    Chads stats are higher.

    For the sake of the discussion.

    Chad Mendes
    TD Average.: 4.16
    TD Accuracy.: 54%
    TD Defence.: 100%


    Khabib Nurmagomedov
    TD Average.: 5.44
    TD Accuracy.: 44%
    TD Defence.: 84%


    Chad has a higher success rate, but Khabib lands more takedowns over 3 round. To make up for the accuracy shortfall he attempt around 12 takedowns per fight on average, compared to Chads 7.7-ish.
    But worth pointing out that, Khabib stats are all hugely inflated by the Trujilo fight where he hit 21 takedowns. I'd guess if you took that fight out they'd look much different.


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    #3287
    Tazzimus
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Does he? Or do you mean different?

    I'd love to see the comparison of their takedown stats....
    I would have went with different myself.
    Chad bulls in looking for power takedowns
    Khabib is more pressure and entanglment I find


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    #3288
    Gonad
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    You can’t compare the Mcgregor that fought Mendes to the one that will fight Khabib . Conor is a tank at 155 .

    At 145 he was at deaths door and clearly had a horrible cut against Chad . He didn’t look healthy at all .If the same Conor that turned up against Aldo turned up against Chad I don’t think Chad would have had as much success if any . Also the injured knee can’t have been good against a small wrestler that shoot straight at your knees . No other fighter would have went ahead with that fight and the fact Conor won is a testament to him as a fighter .

    Against Khabib at 155 coming in fit ad healthy and light on his feet . It wouldn’t be a good night for Khabib . I see Khabib getting hammered on the way and getting knocked out fast.


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    #3289
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Mellor wrote: »
    For the sake of the discussion.

    Chad Mendes
    TD Average.: 4.16
    TD Accuracy.: 54%
    TD Defence.: 100%


    Khabib Nurmagomedov
    TD Average.: 5.44
    TD Accuracy.: 44%
    TD Defence.: 84%


    Chad has a higher success rate, but Khabib lands more takedowns over 3 round. To make up for the accuracy shortfall he attempt around 12 takedowns per fight on average, compared to Chads 7.7-ish.
    But worth pointing out that, Khabib stats are all hugely inflated by the Trujilo fight where he hit 21 takedowns. I'd guess if you took that fight out they'd look much different.



    Who controls more on the ground though, that's the thing that matters. Chad lands power doubles, but does he spend more time down on the mat beating people up than Khabib does?
    I doubt it.


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    #3290
    Ultimate Seduction
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Who controls more on the ground though, that's the thing that matters. Chad lands power doubles, but does he spend more time down on the mat beating people up than Khabib does?
    I doubt it.

    Moving goalposts.


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    #3291
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Moving goalposts.

    Not really. I still don't agree that Mendes has "better" take downs, he just does it differently. He doesn't keep control on the ground either.


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    #3292
    Lukker-
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Not really. I still don't agree that Mendes has "better" take downs, he just does it differently. He doesn't keep control on the ground either.

    Mendes has one of the best top games in MMA.


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    #3293
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Moving goalposts.
    Explain please


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    #3294
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,083 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Who controls more on the ground though, that's the thing that matters. Chad lands power doubles, but does he spend more time down on the mat beating people up than Khabib does?
    I doubt it.

    Khabib, and it's not even close.
    I've heard his grappling described as a combination of Askren's folkstyle (wrist control/back-ride), Maia's passing and GSP posture to strike. I think that's pretty accurate.


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    #3295
    yourdeadwright
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    Mellor wrote: »
    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Who controls more on the ground though, that's the thing that matters. Chad lands power doubles, but does he spend more time down on the mat beating people up than Khabib does?
    I doubt it.

    Khabib, and it's not even close.
    I've heard his grappling described as a combination of Askren's folkstyle (wrist control/back-ride), Maia's passing and GSP posture to strike. I think that's pretty accurate.
    Would he beat any of the 3 above in a grapping match, Personally I don't think so , So lets not go over board ,has he fought a good wrestler yet ?


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    #3296
    Mellor
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Would he beat any of the 3 above in a grapping match, Personally I don't think so , So lets not go over board ,has he fought a good wrestler yet ?
    Would depend on the kind of grappling match tbh?

    Under folkstyle rules, Askren wins. Maia wins in BJJ in the Gi.
    But Khabib beats them both in Sambo or Judo.
    Nogi sub only. It'd be close between Khabib, Askren and GSP imo.
    Hard ignore the fact he is a weight class below the others though.


    A interesting match up would be Gunni v Khabib under ADCC rules. Then you kinda wonder if they ever crossed paths at RGA?


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    #3297
    Sofiztikated
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    Mellor wrote: »
    Would depend on the kind of grappling match tbh?

    Under folkstyle rules, Askren wins. Maia wins in BJJ in the Gi.
    But Khabib beats them both in Sambo or Judo.
    Nogi sub only. It'd be close between Khabib, Askren and GSP imo.
    Hard ignore the fact he is a weight class below the others though.


    A interesting match up would be Gunni v Khabib under ADCC rules. Then you kinda wonder if they ever crossed paths at RGA?

    More than one person has said that Khabib feels like a much heavier man on top.


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    #3298
    yourdeadwright
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    Who's the best wrestler Khabib has fought is it Tibau ? whos more of a bjj guy, but huge,


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    #3299
    Useful.Idiot
    Registered Users Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭Useful.Idiot


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Who's the best wrestler Khabib has fought is it Tibau ? whos more of a bjj guy, but huge,

    Tibau was a very good wrestler in Brazil apparently. Funnily enough I think Abel Trujillo probably had the most wrestling credentials out of most of Khabib's opponents.


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    #3300
    Tazzimus
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    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    More than one person has said that Khabib feels like a much heavier man on top.
    I'm sure the same would be said for the three welterweights as well.
    Some people just have horrible top pressure regardless of size


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    #3301
    Autecher
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    Michael Chandler said yesterday that he beats Khabib "10 times out of 10" so make of that what you will!


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